Which one?

[Loek]

Finally I am about to purchase FSX. But which one do I need? There seems to
be the regular edition, the DeLuxe edition and the Gold edition. Is this the
one with the acceleration pack? And what is that for?
I know I should know all that, but I've been a little busy with other
priorities and FSX was out of my scope for a while. No, nothing serious. I'm
only involved with things I like to do and having fun with doing. Yep, a
happy camper :-))

Thanks,

Loek

[NM5K]

Gold. It has the Deluxe sim, all the latest service packs and
Acceleration.
You can get it cheap on fleabay, and often in stores.
I only paid $29.99 for it at a Fry's, but I think the regular
price there is $39.99.. I see it cheap on fleabay most times
I look..

[Gregory]

Go for the works, Loek. The full-blown edition.



-G

[Osbert Whittlebot]

The best you can afford (ideally Gold - which includes the SDK). Don't
forget to patch it up to SP2 (both SP's free from MS site).

Enjoy

Osbert (etc, etc)

[NM5K]

On 11/27/2011 3:54 PM, Osbert Whittlebot wrote:

>>
>>
> The best you can afford (ideally Gold - which includes the SDK). Don't
> forget to patch it up to SP2 (both SP's free from MS site).
>
> Enjoy
>
> Osbert (etc, etc)

You don't need to do that if you install Acceleration.
Acceleration includes FSX SP2.
So if you buy the Gold version, it already has the latest
service packs assuming you install all three DVD's.

[raamman]

no one wants to suggest x10?

[Loek]

"raamman" schreef in bericht
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Thanks for the advises guys. But I had the same question. How about DX-10?

Loek

[Loek]

"Loek" schreef in bericht
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Eeehr, Windows 7 already has DirectX 11.......

Loek

[Tom Duhamel]

On 2011-11-28 16:29, Loek wrote:
>> Thanks for the advises guys. But I had the same question. How about DX-10?
>> >
>> >Loek
>> >
> Eeehr, Windows 7 already has DirectX 11.......
>
> Loek
>
>

Nice, you answered the question by yourself!

But you know, there are no stupid question, just stupid... heee... never
mind :)

[Loek]

"Tom Duhamel" schreef in bericht news:jb0vfg$5jj$1...@dont-email.me...

Oh yes, Tom. But during the years I've learned not to be afraid off
admitting your own mistakes, failures, stupidities etc. So I'll admit it
before someone else does :-))

Loek

[Copter_Six]

On 11/28/2011 10:15 PM, Loek wrote:

>>
> Oh yes, Tom. But during the years I've learned not to be afraid off
> admitting your own mistakes, failures, stupidities etc. So I'll admit it
> before someone else does :-))
>
> Loek
>
>
>

I would've admitted all my mistakes but I haven't made one yet. :{}



--


Copter Six
*Psychopath: A Journey Through the Madness*
=================================================
>Hopefully, you haven't ignited another flame war.

Que sera, sera...

[John Ward]

Ya have now! :-))

JW

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[Osbert Whittlebot]

Er .... FSX runs in Win7 in legacy graphics mode. The Desktop is toggled
out of Aero when you call up FSX. Win 7 gives you a helpful message that
it is so doing.

Personally, when I tried to get FSX running acceptably under W7 I was
never happy that the display switched back after quitting FSX - but I
was having mega problems with GPU and monitor drivers at the time. I
junked w7 (SP1 actually borked my box - I was one very grumpy bunny that
day) before I bothered to pursue the graphics issues much further.

Osbert (etc, etc)

[Loek]

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I tried it with the FSX demo and the same thing happened. I did not even
know what you were talking about ! :-) So do we need to be in this Aero mode
for FSX and DX-11 and if yes, how do we get this done?
And I have the W7 Pro version. Any thing to remark on that in regards to
FSX?

Thanks again,

Loek

[Tom Duhamel]

On 2011-11-30 19:34, Loek wrote:
>> Er .... FSX runs in Win7 in legacy graphics mode. The Desktop is toggled
>> >out of Aero when you call up FSX. Win 7 gives you a helpful message that
>> >it is so doing.
>> >
>> >Personally, when I tried to get FSX running acceptably under W7 I was
>> >never happy that the display switched back after quitting FSX - but I
>> >was having mega problems with GPU and monitor drivers at the time. I
>> >junked w7 (SP1 actually borked my box - I was one very grumpy bunny that
>> >day) before I bothered to pursue the graphics issues much further.
>> >
>> >Osbert (etc, etc)
> I tried it with the FSX demo and the same thing happened. I did not even
> know what you were talking about !:-) So do we need to be in this Aero mode
> for FSX and DX-11 and if yes, how do we get this done?
> And I have the W7 Pro version. Any thing to remark on that in regards to
> FSX?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Loek
>
>

The main thing about Aero is that is allows your desktop to run in
DirectX, rather than the regular basic graphic mode (known as GDI+).
That is, everything that you see on the screen is passed into Direct X.
The difference basically (emphasize on *basically*), is that in the
normal graphic mode, Windows maintains an offscreen copy of your screen,
where it draws everything that you get to see on the screen, and at
regular interval that image is copied to your graphics card so that you
can see it. With Direct X, Windows draws everything directly on the
graphics card, bypassing most of what causes quality degradation in
viewing quality (maintaining an offscreen image in memory is much
slower, for instance).

Drawing your desktop in Direct X has two main advantages (that I can
see). It permits some special effects or media things which would not be
possible (or less practical) in the basic graphic mode (for example, you
can play several videos at once, which would barely work or be much less
efficient otherwise -- not that there are many cases where you would
actually want to play several videos at once -- it also allows for the
glass-style transparency that you get and which is automatically
disabled as soon as you turn off Aero). It also allows for a better
performance of your desktop. This may sound weird as you may not see how
the desktop may benefit from any increase in performance, but engineers
do see a difference (programs are all part of your desktop).

Unfortunately, some applications do not work well in Aero (that is, when
their output is directed directly into Direct X -- now any poetry here
was unintended). Windows has a database of applications known to cause
problem under Aero, and disables Aero as soon as one of those
application is launched. There is no side effect, other than a lost of
beautiful visual features. But I suppose most people run FSX in full
screen, and thus don't really lose anything.

Interestingly, FS9 does not switch out of Aero.


Now for the next question.


FSX is a Direct X 9 program, it will never run under Direct X 11. If you
check the "Direct X 10 preview" option, it will then become a Direct X
10 program (though as we know, the implementation is incomplete); it
will not run in DX 9 anymore, but won't run in DX11 neither.

Good thing about Direct X, is that it always included prior versions as
well. That is, Direct X (included with Win7) also contains the entire
set of libraries from DX 10, DX 9 and DX 8 (I think it stops at 8, but
I'm too lazy to check). When an application that requires DX is
launched, the application requests a particular version and that is what
it get (if it was given anything else, it would nor run). For instance,
when you launch FSX, it says "Hello Windows, this is Flight Simulator X
talking, and I request Direct X 9" and Windows replies "Hi Flight
Simulator X, how are you today? Here is a pointer to a Direct X 9
session which I just initialized for you. Have a good flight." FSX does
not have any idea about what other versions of DX are available, and
would not be able to run in any other version.

FYI Win XP includes DX 9.0c (third minor revision of DX 9), which
contains all the libraries down to (I think) DX 6.

Now even though FSX was able to run in DX 11 (which is not the case),
there would be no major benefit, as it would not use any of the newer
features which were introduced in the later DX version (I say *major*,
because it might have a slight improvement in existing features which
were made better in newer versions -- for instance, if FSX made the
water using the DX feature for that purpose (which I don't think is the
case, but I actually really don't know), the water might suddenly look
better when ran in DX11, as water effects is one of the major
improvements in DX11 as compared to earlier versions -- and in reality
is, I think, more of a feature in newer graphics cards than DX itself,
but I will refrain here as I'm nowhere near an expert regarding graphics
stuff).


Well congratulations if you made it up to this point. You survived
another lengthy post of mine. Because you know that I can't make a
simple reply without going into deep details which are totally unrelated
to the question and will not improve your life style in any way.


Tom :)

[Nick O'Tyme at]

"Tom Duhamel" <tom420....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 2011-11-30 19:34, Loek wrote:

snip

> Good thing about Direct X, is that it always included prior versions as
> well. That is, Direct X (included with Win7) also contains the entire set
> of libraries from DX 10, DX 9 and DX 8 (I think it stops at 8, but I'm too
> lazy to check). When an application that requires DX is launched, the
> application requests a particular version and that is what it get (if it
> was given anything else, it would nor run). For instance, when you launch
> FSX, it says "Hello Windows, this is Flight Simulator X talking, and I
> request Direct X 9" and Windows replies "Hi Flight Simulator X, how are
> you today? Here is a pointer to a Direct X 9 session which I just
> initialized for you. Have a good flight." FSX does not have any idea about
> what other versions of DX are available, and would not be able to run in
> any other version.
>

I never knew that Windows was so polite. Next time my system crashes I'll
refrain from swearing at it and ask it most politely to 'get the fuck up off
the floor'. Not using those exact words of course. :-))

[Osbert Whittlebot]

Hi Tom

Thanks, very helpful post, as usual.

Osbert (etc, etc)

[Osbert Whittlebot]

Hi Loek

" .....And I have the W7 Pro version. Any thing to remark on that in
regards to FSX?...."

Not really. I had about 6 weeks of fun'n'games trying FSX in w7 before
reverting it to XP Pro - mega problems with graphics and monitor drivers
+ Addon Scenery utility looked broken by file system changes in w7. (A
recent posting by the ever wise Vic suggests that this last
mis-functionality could have been avoided by installing FSX to a
non-default location). Since I only run a windows box for MSFS it was no
big deal to roll back to XP when W7 SP1 borked the box.

Osbert (etc, etc)

[Quilljar]

Plis seńor
What is thees howa you say 'borked'?

Q

[Loek]

"Tom Duhamel" schreef in bericht news:jb6lfq$m9k$1...@dont-email.me...

Hi there Tom!
Surprise! I did make it all the way through your post :-)) Thanks for a
solid explanation. And it proves again that this group is the absolute best
as all of us (all right then,... nearly) do our best to contribute in a
positive manner. Never too old to learn!

Cheers,

Loek

[Osbert Whittlebot]

Trashed / broke / wrecked. Running W7 SP1 caused my computer to fail to
re-start Windows after the reboot. Sometimes happens if the downloaded
Service Pack is, in some way, corrupted.

Osbert (etc, etc)

[Tom Duhamel]

On 2011-12-01 4:05, Osbert Whittlebot wrote:
> Hi Tom
>
> Thanks, very helpful post, as usual.
>
> Osbert (etc, etc)

If you think all of my posts are helpful, you sure missed a few ones
lately. And you forgot the debate we had lately about 64-bit memory
address space lol

Thanks for the compliment :)

[Tom Duhamel]

On 2011-12-01 7:35, Loek wrote:
> Hi there Tom!
> Surprise! I did make it all the way through your post :-)) Thanks for a
> solid explanation. And it proves again that this group is the absolute best
> as all of us (all right then,... nearly) do our best to contribute in a
> positive manner. Never too old to learn!

Yep! As long as we skip those posts that don't interest us :)))

I love this group, and in the event it would disappear it would be a
great loss for me.


Tom :)

[Tom Duhamel]

On 2011-11-30 22:30, Nick O'Tyme wrote:
> I never knew that Windows was so polite. Next time my system crashes
> I'll refrain from swearing at it and ask it most politely to 'get the
> fuck up off the floor'. Not using those exact words of course. :-))

Hey, you should never swear at Windows. It does everything to help you,
and when something goes wrong, you get a very polite message that says
that Microsoft is sorry for the inconveniences and that Windows can send
a report of the crash to them (presumably so the employees there can
laugh at others' crashes -- "hey look, this guy had not saved for an
hour and lost all his data hahahahahaha").


Tom :)

[Osbert Whittlebot]

Hi Tom

Meant it. Cyberspace is no place for rancour - particularly as mutual
misunderstanding can so easily arise and so hastily be expressed.

> La grande chose au sujet de l'Internet est que personne ne sait que vous êtes vraiment un chien.

Now, how is that for auto-french?

Have a nice weekend

Osbert (etc, etc)

[Tom Duhamel]

test

[Tom Duhamel]

On 2011-12-02 4:19, Osbert Whittlebot wrote:
>

> Meant it. Cyberspace is no place for rancour - particularly as mutual
> misunderstanding can so easily arise and so hastily be expressed.
>

I agree!

>> La grande chose au sujet de l'Internet est que personne ne sait que vous êtes vraiment un chien.
>
> Now, how is that for auto-french?
>
> Have a nice weekend
>
> Osbert (etc, etc)

Not bad, not bad :)

You might not be aware, however, of the possible double meaning of
"chien" in this context.

Obviously, "chien" = "dog", an animal.

Though in the common language, it may also be used to designate somewhat
which a bad behavior toward someone else. For example, if you witnessed
me saying something bad to someone else, you might say to me "Tu es
chien" or "C'est vraiment chien".


Have a nice day :)