We're thinking of you blokes

[John Ward]

To all Americans,

The Boston bombings, the massive factory/town explosion, a further
policeman killed in the hunt for the Boston perpetrators, the extensive
equipment/materials found with the fleeing Boston perpetrators which could
have caused massive further catastrophes, and now massive floods.........

Strewth, could things get any worse!??

I personally am thinking of you blokes, and wishing you all the moral
support I can, and I'm sure many, many blokes all around the world feel the
same way.

Chins up, fellas!!

Regards,
john Ward

[Walt_M]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:14:58 +1000, "John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

[BeeFlow]

You meant to say, "You guys asked for it," didn't you, Walt. Relax.
We're at our best when the SHTF.

[Nick O'Tyme at]

"John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:517197b9$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

You should change the subject to 'I'm thinking of you'.

Me, I'm thinking of the poor bastards that were killed or maimed by
fanaticism and stupidity.

The Waco ammonia plant had not had a safety inspection since 1985. That is
criminal.

But then industrial safety is one thing that appears to have slipped in the
US.

I was in Ardmore, Oklahoma in 1986, inspecting an oil refinery there. There
had been a major fire some years before at the base of the Cat Cracker. The
fire was so intense that it weakened the main supports of the reactor
vessels and the whole lot started to lean. Management's fix was to prop the
whole thing up by welding an RSJ to the upper reactor vessel with the other
end resting on the ground. That was the way the plant was running when we
were there.

I've worked in an ammonia/ammonium nitrate plant and I know how dangerous
they can be if not maintained properly. I just wonder what wasn't maintained
in Waco.

[Nick O'Tyme at]

"Nick O'Tyme" <mellorc(at)msn.com> wrote in message
news:XvSdncVxU-HaS-zM...@westnet.com.au...

And I forgot to add - shame on the US senate for not passing a bill that the
majority of US citizens appear to want.

[BeeFlow]

The polls were not as described. There is so much baloney in the U.S.
right now that we could make a sandwich out of South America.

[Nick O'Tyme at]

"BeeFlow" <bQQeeQ...@mQsQQn.com> wrote in message
news:bYkct.48$oH3...@newsfe14.iad...

We are hearing that up to 90% of US citizens want the laws enacted. Allowing
for the unreliability of polls it would still seem that the majority of
people do want change.

[Walt_M]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:21:10 -0700, BeeFlow <bQQeeQ...@mQsQQn.com>
wrote:

> On 4/19/2013 4:03 PM, Walt_M wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:14:58 +1000, "John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> To all Americans,
> >>
> >> The Boston bombings, the massive factory/town explosion, a further
> >> policeman killed in the hunt for the Boston perpetrators, the extensive
> >> equipment/materials found with the fleeing Boston perpetrators which could
> >> have caused massive further catastrophes, and now massive floods.........
> >>
> >> Strewth, could things get any worse!??
> >>
> >> I personally am thinking of you blokes, and wishing you all the moral
> >> support I can, and I'm sure many, many blokes all around the world feel the
> >> same way.
> >>
> >> Chins up, fellas!!

> You meant to say, "You guys asked for it," didn't you, Walt.

No, I meant to sledge our resident yankophilic sycophant from Oz, but
thought the better of it, given the tragic situation, but once again I
hit the wrong button in Forte Agent. :-(

> Relax. We're at our best when the SHTF.

I think you'll find that's a universal human trait, not an exclusively
a Yank one.

My sympathies to anyone affected by what's happened over there.

[Walt_M]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:41:37 +0800, "Nick O'Tyme" <mellorc(at)msn.com>
wrote:

> I've worked in an ammonia/ammonium nitrate plant and I know how dangerous
> they can be if not maintained properly. I just wonder what wasn't maintained
> in Waco.

Profit before workers' safety. Do you need me to spell it out?
Unregulated capitalism will do that every time. And don't get me
going about what unregulated capitalism does to wokers' wages.

Free market capitalism is a good thing? My arse !!!

[BeeFlow]

Unreliability is one thing. Purposeful slanting is another.

[Nick O'Tyme at]

"BeeFlow" <bQQeeQ...@mQsQQn.com> wrote in message

news:YHlct.9$X1...@newsfe30.iad...

Purposeful slanting works both ways Beef.

[Gregory]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:47:43 +0800, "Nick O'Tyme" <mellorc(at)msn.com>
brought the following to our attention:

>
>> I've worked in an ammonia/ammonium nitrate plant and I know how dangerous
>> they can be if not maintained properly. I just wonder what wasn't
>> maintained in Waco.
>
>And I forgot to add - shame on the US senate for not passing a bill that the
>majority of US citizens appear to want.
>

I was reading a few mins ago there were FEMA trucks parked at the
Fairfield Inn in Waco before the incident. Apparently there was a drill
going on at North Hills Hospital during that time as well? A youtube
video said... well can't repeat it because you'll probably get upset.


-G

[BeeFlow]

On 4/19/2013 6:02 PM, Nick O'Tyme wrote:
>
> "BeeFlow" <bQQeeQ...@mQsQQn.com> wrote in message
> news:YHlct.9$X1...@newsfe30.iad...
>> On 4/19/2013 5:17 PM, Nick O'Tyme wrote:
>>>
>>> "BeeFlow" <bQQeeQ...@mQsQQn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:bYkct.48$oH3...@newsfe14.iad...
>>>> On 4/19/2013 4:47 PM, Nick O'Tyme wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And I forgot to add - shame on the US senate for not passing a bill
>>>>> that
>>>>> the majority of US citizens appear to want.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The polls were not as described. There is so much baloney in the U.S.
>>>> right now that we could make a sandwich out of South America.
>>>
>>> We are hearing that up to 90% of US citizens want the laws enacted.
>>> Allowing for the unreliability of polls it would still seem that the
>>> majority of people do want change.
>>>
>>>
>> Unreliability is one thing. Purposeful slanting is another.
>
> Purposeful slanting works both ways Beef.
>
>

Thankfully, our Bill of Rights wasn't abandoned as a mindless reaction
to the horror of unrestrained evil.

[DonK]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:14:58 +1000, "John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

>To all Americans,
>
>

> Chins up, fellas!!
>
>Regards,
>john Ward

Thank you John, I do appreciate it.
--

Don
Bothell, WA

The world unfolds according to its own inner algorithms of cause and effect, probability and chance without any regard for human feelings.

[donbutts]

> Profit before workers' safety. Do you need me to spell it out?

That was the findings yesterday of our Pike River Coal Mine disaster (29
deaths)
Liable to a huge fine now - when they are in receivership and have no money
in the coffers.
Next step??


Butts
NZ

[DonK]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 21:02:08 -0700, DonK <don8...@comcast.net.notvalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:14:58 +1000, "John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>>To all Americans,
>>
>>
>> Chins up, fellas!!
>>
>>Regards,
>>john Ward
>
>Thank you John, I do appreciate it.

John, do you know if there were any Australian runners or visitors injured in Boston?

[donbutts]

"Nick O'Tyme" wrote in message
news:XvSdncVxU-HaS-zM...@westnet.com.au...

"John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message

> To all Americans,

> You should change the subject to 'I'm thinking of you'.

> Me, I'm thinking of the poor bastards that were killed or maimed by
> fanaticism and stupidity.

With regards to Boston I have been thinking of just the poor families and
the Police
What a fantastic job the Police and experts have done in extracting the
required information, considering the size of the city, and coming up
trumps.
The explosion? Sad for families again. Once again we have to wait until the
inquiry results to establish if heads should roll

My immediate reaction was to draw a parallel to the Mexican gas explosion


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-QtXTka1E4

Butts
NZ

[John Ward]

Hi DonK,

There were well over 100 taking part in the race, but none were injured.

AFAIK, there were no visitors injured either, mate.

Regards,
John Ward

"DonK" <don8...@comcast.net.notvalid> wrote in message
news:sc54n81hg2m366d8i...@4ax.com...

[Walt_M]

Another major peev for me is how a local coal mine, now
de-commissioned, the owners long gone, yet the thing is still
poisoning the local stream to the point where no life exists in the
water at all. Who's going to pay for the clean-up? Why, the
taxpayer, of course. Had the cost of this part of the operations
been factored into the original business plan, the whole thing would
have been deemed uneconomical. Grrrrrrrrrrrr...

[Gregory]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:05:25 -0700, BeeFlow <bQQeeQ...@mQsQQn.com>

brought the following to our attention:

>>> Unreliability is one thing. Purposeful slanting is another.
>>
>> Purposeful slanting works both ways Beef.
>
>Thankfully, our Bill of Rights wasn't abandoned as a mindless
>reaction to the horror of unrestrained evil.

Yep.. that was done ten years ago.


-G

[Gregory]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:04:21 -0700, BeeFlow <bQQeeQ...@mQsQQn.com>

brought the following to our attention:

>The polls were not as described. There is so much baloney in the U.S.
>right now that we could make a sandwich out of South America.

Polls, shmolls.. everything is cooked, spun and manipulated.

Totally agree with that. Reading books on mind control and especially
public mind control.. it's most effective when trauma is applied. Shock
and awe is another word for it (but let's not defocus here.) It's a
psychological war.. a step or two back form an all-out shootin' war.
Usually means change is coming / in the works!


-G

[raamman]

well the good thing that the capitalists don't realize is as workers
wages become so squeezed they can barely afford to go to walmart for
necessities the luxury goods stop moving off the shelves which leaves
managers with lower orders to fulfill, constant downsizing until the
business goes bankrupt and they become unemployed, banks holding
mortgages and investment deals start to flounder too, the folk on the
bottom of the rung have been through it all before, they have nothing
much to lose while the ones at the top will be the ones suffering in
extreme panic mode as they have choked themselves by proxy and see
everything they have lost~ you'll have a nice rable gathering outside
the ivory towers starting bonfires, who do you think they are going to
throw into those fires for entertainment ?

[Gregory]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:15:47 +1200, "donbutts"
<donneybutts...@hotmail.com> brought the following :

>> Me, I'm thinking of the poor bastards that were killed or maimed by
>> fanaticism and stupidity.
>

>The explosion? Sad for families again. Once again we have to wait until the
>inquiry results to establish if heads should roll
>
>My immediate reaction was to draw a parallel to the Mexican gas explosion
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-QtXTka1E4
>

On that youtube page is a video of the Pepcon explosion near Las Vegas.
Wouldn't you know it happened in the valley just below a tevee station
on the near-by hill. That's where the video was shot from. Not drawing
any conclusions, but these are the facts. What's more.. the plant was
located over-top of a gas pipeline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TJcBlC22iE

Reading in history of the US (not Time/Life Mag) the Std Oil Co was
known to use sabotage in dealing with its competitions. Same with the
lumber industry. There were cases where saw mills/lumber yards would
mysteriously burn down in the middle of the night. Suddenly 25 people
were without a job. This is a generation or two ago, mind you. Some of
these capitalists are ruthless, especially the big fish.

To agree with you.. I'm also thinking of the individuals who were maimed
and their life destroyed.


-G

[raamman]

On Apr 20, 9:48 am, Gregory <flightsim.m...@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:04:21 -0700, BeeFlow <bQQeeQfQQl...@mQsQQn.com>

kinda ironic how a mind can be controled by giving him a book on mind
control to read

[Gregory]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:47:43 +0800, "Nick O'Tyme" <mellorc(at)msn.com>

brought the following to our attention:
>

>And I forgot to add - shame on the US senate for not passing a bill that the
>majority of US citizens appear to want.
>

This is going on everywhere in the US because many companies, industries
and lobby groups basically pay congress or campaign contribute to either
look the other way or to pass legislation in their favor. Some companies
are granted blanket immunity from prosecution. As long as 100 years ago,
the largest corporations in the US had interlocking boards. It was all
one big conglomerate (using the term loosely.)


-G

[Nick O'Tyme at]

"Gregory" <flights...@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8n65n81vmsdc8o5l5...@4ax.com...

You mean it's mind control that makes you all want guns? Wow.

[Gregory]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:16:03 -0700 (PDT), raamman <raa...@gmail.com>

brought the following to our attention:

>kinda ironic how a mind can be controled by giving him a book on mind
>control to read

Ok.. so there are lots of polls taken. There was an article about that
some years ago. The gvmnt isn't as inept as it seems. They run comp
models and use polls as metrics. The polls provide important data.
HOWEVER.. the result are used selectively, and the sample groups
are/ can be chosen for a given result.

[Bob D]

What a great NG. A sensitive, considerate post by John Ward turns into
a political shouting match. No wonder I like to lurk here regularly!
Bob D

[Gregory]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 22:28:55 +0800, "Nick O'Tyme" <mellorc(at)msn.com>

brought the following to our attention:
>

>You mean it's mind control that makes you all want guns? Wow.

That's a whole other topic. What do you suppose would happen
[with the millions of guns] if chaos or anarchy broke out in the US?

It's mind control that makes you accept the NWO.


-G

[Gregory]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:15:47 +1200, "donbutts"
<donneybutts...@hotmail.com> brought the following:
>

>My immediate reaction was to draw a parallel to the Mexican gas explosion
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-QtXTka1E4
>

More on the PEPCON blast.. "Wow.. that's going to be LOUD!"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7pRtgisV9s


PEPCON epicenter: 36.03723°, -115.0351°

approx tevee camera location: 36.00775°, -115.0081°


-G

[BeeFlow]

The one thing that's been constantly true in manufacturing is the
statement that high-end luxury items (like yachts, for instance) will
always have a market.

[BeeFlow]

Is there news of an ability to cause earthquakes? Sometimes they
occur in the most amazing places.

[Walt_M]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:12:17 -0700 (PDT), raamman <raa...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Ahh, but if that happens, raaman, the "rabble" will be deemed
"communist terrorists", and the good ol boys from the military will
come in and save the day for the fat cats, fulfilling their _real_
role in the scheme of things, i.e. to protect the haves from the
have-nots.

The thing I don't get about America is that it was born out of a
revolution against their British fat cat masters, but somehow they've
become so brainwashed that they've failed to realise that they are in
dire need of another revolution to rid themselves of their home-grown
fat cats.

And if I was going to point to a tiny flaw in your comment, raaman, I
would say that consumerism (another clever fat cat scam) is not the
answer either.

But by allmeans let's keep workshopping this thing. It might well be
that a bunch of bored flight simmers saves western "civilisation" from
itself... :-))))

[Walt_M]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:22:24 -0700, BeeFlow <bQQeeQ...@mQsQQn.com>
wrote:

> The one thing that's been constantly true in manufacturing is the
> statement that high-end luxury items (like yachts, for instance) will
> always have a market.

Not in the cultures your marvellous "greed is good" culture has
bulldozed into oblivion in the name of "civilisation" and "progress"

I am once again reminded of a saying attributed to the Cree:

"Only after the last tree has been cut down,
Only after the last river has been poisoned,
Only after the last fish has been caught,
Only then will you find that you cannot eat money."

I would add to that a more modern line:

"Only after the last field has been fracked,"

[Walt_M]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:05:25 -0700, BeeFlow <bQQeeQ...@mQsQQn.com>

wrote:

> Thankfully, our Bill of Rights wasn't abandoned as a mindless reaction
> to the horror of unrestrained evil.

Yes, but you guys have this nasty habit of invading other countries
based on "reasons" generally found to be a pack of evil lies
masquerading as "faulty intelligence" once the truth comes out.

You then deny the victims of your aggression even the most basic human
rights.

You lecture the world about the "Rule of Law" and then break every
decent law there is in pursuing "America's interests".

You are a pack of mass murdering hypocrites dressed up as saviours of
the world. Wolves in sheep's clothing. Until you, as a nation, mend
your ways, guys, expect no sympathy from those parts of the world you
have shat on in order to feather your own nests.

Is that enough of a reality check for you, BeeF?

[BeeFlow]

I see how far forward your blinders extend...

[BeeFlow]

That last statement is just another example of your inflated view of
both yourself and the progressive movement. You haven't the perspective
to see how both are smaller viewpoints...how catch phrases, horror
stories, and fear-mongering stop your mind from looking farther. Also,
you assume the entire newsgroup agrees with you. There is massive
evidence against that. Don't elect yourself emperor just because you've
been quiet, lately, and no one is dissing you at this moment.

[Copter_Six]

There you go again. You just can't help vomiting shit.


--


Copter Six

=================================================

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It's not his fault, with his mental deficiency and all.
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[donbutts]

"Gregory" wrote in message
news:m9e5n81ffc74ganpf...@4ax.com...

Very dramatic footage Greg - from one cigarette!!

[John Ward]

Hi All,

I've been working today, but I've just caught up with the news that
they've caught the surviving bloke responsible - GREAT JOB,
YEEEEHHAAWWW!!!!!

I just hope they smashed the bastard to within an inch of his life
before they arrested him!!!!!!

Good job, and fingers crossed for all the rest of it in the
future............

Regards,
John Ward

"John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message

news:517197b9$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> To all Americans,
>
> The Boston bombings, the massive factory/town explosion, a further
> policeman killed in the hunt for the Boston perpetrators, the extensive
> equipment/materials found with the fleeing Boston perpetrators which could
> have caused massive further catastrophes, and now massive floods.........
>
> Strewth, could things get any worse!??
>
> I personally am thinking of you blokes, and wishing you all the moral
> support I can, and I'm sure many, many blokes all around the world feel
> the same way.

[BeeFlow]

Successful interrogation would be nice - so we can clean out the whole
rats' nest.

[Walt_M]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 14:14:38 -0500, Copter_Six <c...@texas.com> wrote:

> There you go again. You just can't help vomiting shit.

https://twitter.com/ViragoHaus/status/324852480921989121/photo/1

[Walt_M]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:55:18 -0700, BeeFlow <bQQeeQ...@mQsQQn.com>
wrote:

> On 4/19/2013 5:17 PM, Nick O'Tyme wrote:
> >
> > "BeeFlow" <bQQeeQ...@mQsQQn.com> wrote in message
> > news:bYkct.48$oH3...@newsfe14.iad...

> >> On 4/19/2013 4:47 PM, Nick O'Tyme wrote:
> >>>
> >>> And I forgot to add - shame on the US senate for not passing a bill that
> >>> the majority of US citizens appear to want.
> >>>
> >>>

> >> The polls were not as described. There is so much baloney in the U.S.
> >> right now that we could make a sandwich out of South America.
> >

> > We are hearing that up to 90% of US citizens want the laws enacted.
> > Allowing for the unreliability of polls it would still seem that the
> > majority of people do want change.

> >
> >
> Unreliability is one thing. Purposeful slanting is another.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/19/1203268/-National-Review-Giffords-childish-display-in-the-New-York-Times-is-an-embarrassment?detail=email

[Iain Smith]

On 23/04/2013 00:55, Walt_M wrote:
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/19/1203268/-National-Review-Giffords-childish-display-in-the-New-York-Times-is-an-embarrassment?detail=email


That says it all Walt but they won't read it. They won't read this either:-

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/shaker-aamer-i-may-have-to-die-i-hope-not-i-want-to-see-my-family-again-8581966.html?origin=internalSearch

Iain
Rugby, UK

[BeeFlow]

I happen to agree completely with Williamson's assessment of Gifford's
display. I don't believe a highly traumatized, brain-damaged shooting
victim is qualified to insult the United States Congress. This goes for
Jim Brady, also. In fact, even the evil goddess Feinstein was so upset
by her exposure to the Harvey Milk shooting, that she completely forgot
the U.S. Bill of Rights prevents her from imposing her scared-sh*tless
will on the rest of the country.

I believe the victims of the Newtown massacre deserved a vote. It was
only right that they should get the attention they deserve. There has
been change as a result of the shooting. There will be more. There may
even be a better system for determining eligibility to handle firearms.
...but the vocal, unthinking, anti-gun liberals went balls-to-the-wall
on this one and they had to be knocked back. They were set to trample
all over the rights of legal-living citizens. Their own immoderate
bearing defeated them. Again.

[Walt_M]

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:25:34 -0700, BeeFlow <bQQeeQ...@mQsQQn.com>

He's all yours Nick. :-)))

[BeeFlow]

Not only are youse guys ferriners, but yer total lightweights, ta boot.
Whyntcha go get a crumpet or sumthin'? At least the spewed crumbs
would add a little substance to yer arguin'.

[donbutts]

> Not only are youse guys ferriners, but yer total lightweights, ta boot.

Beg pardon???? We are always scrutinising American policy and measuring it's
influence on other countries as in our minds the USA is controllable.


TAKING A STAND: Former New Zealand Prime Minister David Lange:

The summer was over,'' Lange later noted of flying to Wellington, talking to
Cabinet, and refusing entry to New Zealand waters of the USS Buchanan - a US
ship with potential nuclear capability, seemingly sent to test the resolve
of New Zealand's anti-nuclear stance.

It may have soured our relationship with Washington and provided a dramatic
end but it certainly set Lange up as New Zealand's David versus America's
Goliath.

February 4, 1985 was the day the New Zealand Government backed overwhelming
public anti-nuclear sentiment and effectively became officially nuclear
free - even if legislation was still two years away.

''I felt so proud,'' long-standing anti-nuclear protester Barney Richards
said this week.

''We stood up against the most powerful nation in the world. And we had a
major victory.''

He remembers a reporter travelling all the way from Britain ''to see for
himself the little country that snubbed its nose to the world''.

''The Americans would say 'we are here to save you from the Communists' and
we would just burst out laughing,'' Mr Richards said

Though expected, February 4, 1985 prompted talk of being punished by the
Americans with the likes of trade sanctions.

America did sever all military and security ties - trade fears never came to
pass. In fact, New Zealand-US trade actually increased in the years after,

The US, sensitive to New Zealand concerns, sent the USS Buchanan - a ship
probably without nuclear weapons and not nuclear powered.

But its neither-confirm-nor-deny nuclear policy meant America could not
explicitly say the USS Buchanan was nuclear-free.

The stoush not only shored up Labour Party support for Lange but also
propelled him to the world stage.

The next month he was in the Oxford debating chamber famously arguing that
nuclear weapons were morally indefensible and uttering arguably the most
famous retort by a New Zealand politician: ''I can smell the uranium on your
breath as you lean forward.''

[BeeFlow]

This is good. Lightweights are people with nothing more than a need to
hold the moral high ground. NZ stood their own ground, which is more
realistic and tougher.

As far as David & Goliath...well, the world would lose too many good
movies if New Zealand fell. We know it, and so do the communists. We
can hold our next nuclear war without you guys.

[donbutts]

> As far as David & Goliath...well, the world would lose too many good
> movies if New Zealand fell.

lol

> We know it, and so do the communists. We can hold our next nuclear war
> without you guys.

:-)

The point being made though is that it's not so much action taken but the
possibility that the sentiment could spread to other allies.
I think the States did well in balancing the situation which ensured they
still had plenty of allied ports to sail to.

Even small countries can have some bite.

Butts