Started up FS9 last night

[Gregory]

Must admit that I haven't simmed in a log time, only once in the past
two months, and a whole year before that.

So on a whim I started FS9 with a SAVED flight at Renton Muni
(Washington State) and was delighted with the Autogen and general look
of the scene from that parking spot on the ramp.

Now would be a good time to get back into FS9. Have enough software for
it, ASE, FSGenesis, and some others.. oh yes.. FSNav.

Only issue was the controls weren't set up for the dual, 3x throttle
clusters so it was all ready to fly. Now I can get back into that GA-727
you know.. Dreamfleet, and the King Air for FS9.


Anyone using FS9 regularly?


-G

[Dallas]

Gregory <flights...@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote:

> Anyone using FS9 regularly?

As I removed FSX to make more room on my hard drive I'd have to say yes,
it's pretty much my only choice.

--
Dallas

[guyo]

Yes:

"Gregory" <flights...@bkwds.comcast.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:a39lp7df5rnad5c0c...@4ax.com...

[Gregory]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:00:37 -0500, Dallas
<Cybnorm@spam_me_not.hotmail.com> brought the following:

Oh good!! today I noticed NVidia driver update from 118.250 to 129.573
through Windows Update. While at it, updates for FTDI USB Serial driver
were installed which handles the M-Panel. That's the external radios,
transponder, autopilot, etc.

FS9 should run at 40 - 60 fps on this box. FSX is just sooo bloated.

FSNav will run on FS9 IIRC, yes?


-G

[sambodidley]

"Gregory" <flights...@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:a39lp7df5rnad5c0c...@4ax.com...

I installed it on my simputer about a year ago. I think I've had it
open about once since then. I just can't seem to tear myself away from FSX
long enough to check it out. I don't know if I can even find disc 4 anymore
to get it started.<g>
Sam

[sambodidley]

"sambodidley" <tail...@stallout.net> wrote in message
news:jnf0uj$tlt$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

Well, that settles that deal. I just opened it to take a look around
and found that my mouse magnifier doesn't work in FS9. I can't even read
the menu well enough to set up my controls. I could still read everything
ok last year when I installed it. Oh well, I never used it anyhow.
Sam

[Gregory]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:51:59 -0500, "sambodidley"
<tail...@stallout.net> brought the following to our attention:

>
>"Gregory" <flights...@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
>

Well tonight I'll start up FS9 and define the throttle levers to the
correct functions, then take her for a spin. There's a King Air
installed, Aeroworks IIRC.

Maybe will even post some screen caps comparing the scenery
at Renton Muni. FS9 looks a lot better.


-G

[Mxsmanic]

Gregory writes:

> today I noticed NVidia driver update from 118.250 to 129.573
> through Windows Update.

You allow the system to install video driver updates automatically? You're
very brave!

[Mxsmanic]

Gregory writes:

> Anyone using FS9 regularly?

It's the only MSFS version I use, although I have an unopened copy of FSX.

[Walt_M]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:57:57 -0400, Gregory

<flights...@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote:


>Anyone using FS9 regularly?

Yes, I use FS9 nearly all the time. I hate FSX and the horse it rode
in on.


Walt
* * *
Offence freely given to those who wish to take it.

[Nick O'Tyme at]

"sambodidley" <tail...@stallout.net> wrote in message

news:jnf3ru$5ua$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

>
> Well, that settles that deal. I just opened it to take a look around
> and found that my mouse magnifier doesn't work in FS9. I can't even read
> the menu well enough to set up my controls. I could still read everything
> ok last year when I installed it. Oh well, I never used it anyhow.
> Sam
>

If you run it in windowed mode does the magnifier work?

My magnifier works in either mode.

[Dallas]

Gregory wrote:

> FSNav will run on FS9 IIRC, yes?

Absolutely... still one of the best reasons for sticking with FS9.

But you gotta beef up the default scenery a lot to not be disappointed.

--
Dallas

[Walt_M]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:45:28 -0500, "Dallas"
<Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:


>But you gotta beef up the default scenery a lot to not be disappointed.

By that do you mean "max the sliders", or add-on scenery?

[Gregory]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:45:28 -0500, "Dallas"

<Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> brought the following:

Recommendation?


-G

[ManhattanMan]

On 4/27/2012 6:33 PM, Gregory wrote:

>
> Recommendation?
>
>
> -G


FSX with ORBX... :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

--
MnM

[WayPoint]

For me - default scenery was crap. My home town does not have multiple
storied skyscrapers. Yikes!!

"max the sliders" just made the problem worse. So add-on or self
modifying the scenery with ADE or similar was the way to go.
It still looks like crap - but better than nuffin'.




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[Danny]

Droooool. That Aeroworx Super KingAir B200 was my very favorite of any sim
I have ever run. FSX included. I tried it in FSX but things just did not
work right.

And FSNav...more drool.






"Gregory" wrote in message
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[Walt_M]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:11:00 +1000, WayPoint
<somewhere@over_the_rainbow.oz> wrote:

>On 28/04/2012 9:18 AM, Walt_M wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:45:28 -0500, "Dallas"
>> <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> But you gotta beef up the default scenery a lot to not be disappointed.
>>
>> By that do you mean "max the sliders", or add-on scenery?

>For me - default scenery was crap. My home town does not have multiple
>storied skyscrapers. Yikes!!
>
>"max the sliders" just made the problem worse. So add-on or self
>modifying the scenery with ADE or similar was the way to go.
>It still looks like crap - but better than nuffin'.

We're talking FS9, right? For Australia, I installed VOZ 1.8 (free).

And there's a heap of excellent free scenery for other parts fo the
world too.

I pariticlarly like the CIA's Lima Sites in Laos. Have lots of fun
there with Porter, C-123, Caribou, T-28, Bronco, and UH-1.
Love that terrain by Virtual Flight Air America (vfaa_201.zip).

[donbutts]

"Walt_M" wrote in message
news:ph5mp75ojsa27hc89...@4ax.com...

Haven't flown FS9 for almost a year now
My main interest is flying realistic virtual cockpits in big irons with
single flightplans to a destination.
FS9 doesn't quite achieve that for me
I'm getting around 30FPS with 3rd party scenery below and payware a/c above.
It's locked around 39 and often reads that so obviously plus.
Heavy cloud maybe 20 - 25

Butts
NZ

[TOCA]

"Gregory" <flights...@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message

news:a39lp7df5rnad5c0c...@4ax.com...

Absolutely, all my big iron and IFR flying is done in FS9, I only use FSX
for scenic VFR flights :o)

Tommy C, Denmark

[TOCA]

"Walt_M" <walt...@live.com> wrote in message
news:g9amp791qmodu9qbj...@4ax.com...

Definitely add-on sceneries, autogen is crap and useless, i never use
autogen.

Tommy C, Denmark

[Mxsmanic]

TOCA writes:

> Definitely add-on sceneries, autogen is crap and useless, i never use
> autogen.

You can still do pilotage with default scenery. Autogen neither helps nor
hurts. Sometimes it looks a bit more real, sometimes not. It never matches
real life, of course, so if you know the area in real life, it doesn't add
anything. The worst thing, though, is that autogen slows everything down.

On the other hand, the basic scenery, with or without autogen, isn't very
fancy, but it contains most of the clues you need for pilotage. The roads are
there, the rivers are there, the mountains are where they should be (although
they tend to be smoother than their real-world counterparts, due to a lack of
detail), and many, many significant landmarks have been deliberately inserted
into the scenery. For instance, the LA coliseum is an important landmark when
flying visually around LAX, and sure enough, it's in the basic scenery.

[Walt_M]

Thanks Tommy.

[Gregory]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:42:57 -0400, "Danny" <drmckee@yahoo.c o m>

brought the following to our attention:

>Droooool. That Aeroworx Super KingAir B200 was my very favorite of any sim
>I have ever run. FSX included. I tried it in FSX but things just did not
>work right. And FSNav...more drool.

Started up FS9 and got the throttles assigned. There's a lot of set-up
yet to do. After installing new FTDI USB Serial interface drivers (for
M-Panel) it complained that FSUIPC 3.7 or above was needed. Secondly,
the B200 failed to initiate with an error message.. something about the
panel failed to load. Next I could not get ASE to inject weather into
FS9 even after switching ASE to FS9 mode and restarting. Instead went
with the MS real world weather. Then I see LOTS of shimmering of ground
textures and autogen with MIPS max'd to 8. Will have to look at nHancer
settings. Seem to recall not being able to get nHancer working with FS9
before.

http://home.comcast.net/~flightsim/Renton_FS9.jpg

The framerate sitting on taxiway is only 11.3? with defaults?


-G

[Dallas]

Gregory <flights...@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote:

> The framerate sitting on taxiway is only 11.3? with defaults?

Sure, if your computer is a P4.

--
Dallas

[Dallas]

donbutts wrote:

> My main interest is flying realistic virtual cockpits in big irons
> with single flightplans to a destination. FS9 doesn't quite achieve
> that for me

Huh?... I would have said if you're flying big iron at 36K feet who
cares what the eye candy looks like... FS9 is all you need.

:-/


--
Dallas

[Walt_M]

Yes, and if you add weather and fly in IFR conditions to make things
more interesting, you don't even get to see the ground till your GPWS
is calling out "three hundred". :-))))))))))))

[NM5K]

The only problem with that, is none of the older FS9 big iron aircraft
are quite as good as the latest FSX versions.

[Mxsmanic]

Walt_M writes:

> Yes, and if you add weather and fly in IFR conditions to make things
> more interesting, you don't even get to see the ground till your GPWS
> is calling out "three hundred". :-))))))))))))

That's the highly satisfying part to flying a sim under such conditions. You
work on navigating for an hour without being able to see anything, hoping that
you've got it all right, and you don't really know if you've done it until the
last seconds before touchdown, when the runway lights appear out of the mist.

Of course, it's satisfying in real life, too, but either way the satisfaction
doesn't come from the realism so much as it comes from the intellectual
confirmation that you've done the job right.

Instrument flight in general works very well in desktop sims.

I recall using the earliest versions of MSFS and peering at a representation
of the cockpit that was truly lame in terms of visual quality. Still, the
simulation was great fun because I didn't care much about how the instruments
were represented, as long as they worked the way they should and allowed me to
navigate through the darkness to my destination.

[Mxsmanic]

NM5K writes:

> The only problem with that, is none of the older FS9 big iron aircraft
> are quite as good as the latest FSX versions.

I think most serious simmers quickly move to payware aircraft no matter which
version of the sim they are using. Switching to payware aircraft is like
having a brand-new sim, so great is the difference in realism.

[Walt_M]

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:26:20 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Walt_M]

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:26:20 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Yep, and to make thing more "interesting" one can pretend that the
autopilot is broken. Now the fun starts....

[donbutts]

>> My main interest is flying realistic virtual cockpits in big irons
>> with single flightplans to a destination. FS9 doesn't quite achieve
>> that for me
>
>Huh?... I would have said if you're flying big iron at 36K feet who
>cares what the eye candy looks like... FS9 is all you need.

At 36k feet I'm tidying up the computer room or sorting and filing accounts.
My emphasis was on the realism of the virtual cockpits and the moving around
to hit switches.
There are no pop ups in front of you IRL so I try to minimise them with the
exception of the FMC and its small figures.
A few years back I was using Airport 2.6 to build city scenery as the eye
candy so poor.
Don't have to now.

Butts
NZ

[Iain Smith]

On 28/04/2012 23:13, Dallas wrote:
> Huh?... I would have said if you're flying big iron at 36K feet who
> cares what the eye candy looks like... FS9 is all you need. :-/

But you don't stay at 36k feet you do have to come down, gradually and
it is the later descent phases that you see the scenery.

The only reason that I only use FSX now is to fly PMDG's latest 737, the
best ever add-on aircraft for FS. Ever since I got it in August 2011 it
is the only a/craft I want to fly. Any other palls in comparison, the
realism is so great.

I do occasionally fly one of the FSX default GA a/craft and though it
hurts me to say, having once been a FS9 only man, they are better than
the equivalents in FS9.

Iain
Rugby, UK

[sambodidley]

"donbutts" <donneybutts...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

.
> There are no pop ups in front of you IRL so I try to minimise them with
> the exception of the FMC and its small figures.

> Butts
> NZ

and as a general rule, no mouse or ascii keyboard either in RL. <g>

[Mxsmanic]

Walt_M writes:

> Yep, and to make thing more "interesting" one can pretend that the
> autopilot is broken. Now the fun starts....

The workload increases so much without an autopilot in heavy IMC that I've not
really succeeded in completely a flight that way, although I haven't tried
very often. It's often a very serious problem in real life, too.

One can also argue that single-pilot IFR isn't a good idea in general. It's
useful to have someone else in the cockpit--who need not be a pilot, although
that helps.

[donbutts]

"sambodidley" wrote in message news:jnjrk2$kj9$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

The mouse and cursor are an extension of your arm so you spin the trim wheel
(virtual cockpit) by dragging the cursor (DC3) so you don't use trim buttons
as on the joystick cause the plane don't have 'em.

The keyboard?? well, big iron pilots are using the ends of their fingers to
achieve the same purpose in most cases.

I use the flap handle rather than F7 but do admit to reverting to the
keyboard during the quite common state of confusion bearing in mind there is
no co-pilot to help out.

:-)

Shiftpee
NZ

[donbutts]

The only reason that I only use FSX now is to fly PMDG's latest 737, the
best ever add-on aircraft for FS. Ever since I got it in August 2011 it
is the only a/craft I want to fly. Any other palls in comparison, the
realism is so great.

Iain
Rugby, UK

Hi Iain

Almost a year since I was in Old Blighty

Must be coming up 10 years that we have been chatting here. :-)


I loved the FS9 PMDG and am so tempted to get the new FSX version

What's it to be the 737 or a birthday present for my wife.. decision
decisions....

Cheers
Don

[Walt_M]

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:27:31 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Yes, just as well we have a pause button in the sim. :-)

[donbutts]

>One can also argue that single-pilot IFR isn't a good idea in general. It's
>useful to have someone else in the cockpit--who need not be a pilot,
>although
>that helps.

just been chatting to 'helinige' who used to be here

he now has his own plane and says:


Have done some brilliant flying in IFR conditions coming back from Scilly
Isles.

Climbed to FL90 and descended for 35 mins in embedded CB and heavy rain to
land at Dunkeswell. I love IFR flying and the new plane is brilliant for
this.

Butts
NZ

[Mxsmanic]

Walt_M writes:

> Yes, just as well we have a pause button in the sim.

True, but a lot of things won't work while the sim is paused, so to adjust
some things the sim has to be running, which can mean a lot of scrambling in
some circumstances. Sometimes just talking to ATC can be impossible.

[Mxsmanic]

donbutts writes:

> The mouse and cursor are an extension of your arm so you spin the trim wheel
> (virtual cockpit) by dragging the cursor (DC3) so you don't use trim buttons
> as on the joystick cause the plane don't have 'em.
>
> The keyboard?? well, big iron pilots are using the ends of their fingers to
> achieve the same purpose in most cases.
>
> I use the flap handle rather than F7 but do admit to reverting to the
> keyboard during the quite common state of confusion bearing in mind there is
> no co-pilot to help out.

I ultimately redefined all the keys (almost) in the sim for maximum
convenience. Everything I need is assigned to an easy key combination, and
anything I don't need, or dangerous things (such as switching to independent
throttles) is simply gone, not assigned to anything any more.

[Walt_M]

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:34:19 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

At the end of the day, Mxsmanic, it's just a hobby simulator...

[Iain Smith]

On 29/04/2012 23:08, donbutts wrote:
> Hi Iain
>
> Almost a year since I was in Old Blighty
>
> Must be coming up 10 years that we have been chatting here. :-)
>
>
> I loved the FS9 PMDG and am so tempted to get the new FSX version
>
> What's it to be the 737 or a birthday present for my wife.. decision
> decisions....
>
> Cheers
> Don
>
>
>

Hi Don

Yes it's been a quick 10 years. I see your dilemma - no present for Mrs
Butts is very dangerous but if you can stretch, the new PMDG 737 leaves
their original completely in the shade. You must get it!

Iain

[Gregory]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:53:32 -0500, NM5K <no...@invalid.net> brought the
following to our attention:

>> Huh?... I would have said if you're flying big iron at 36K feet who
>> cares what the eye candy looks like... FS9 is all you need.
>>
>

>The only problem with that, is none of the older FS9 big iron aircraft
>are quite as good as the latest FSX versions.
>

FS8 was good for flying Hi-Alt jets (IMHO) but the VCs were so great.

Have recently traveled through the Mojave, Arizona and New Mexico and
I'd really like to explore those areas at lower altitudes.. if FSX and
my hardware would allow it.

For instance.. take a look at the area from the AZ - NM line on east.
The whole stretch from Kingman AZ to Albuquerque NM is amazing!
and 7000' ASL in some areas.


-G

[Mxsmanic]

Walt_M writes:

> At the end of the day, Mxsmanic, it's just a hobby simulator...

If you look at it that way, then it's a waste of time. Fortunately, I don't.

[sambodidley]

"Walt_M" <walt...@live.com> wrote in message >>True, but a lot of things

won't work while the sim is paused, so to adjust
>>some things the sim has to be running, which can mean a lot of scrambling
>>in
>>some circumstances. Sometimes just talking to ATC can be impossible.
>
> At the end of the day, Mxsmanic, it's just a hobby simulator...
>
>
> Walt

But with him, it's a mania. He even says as much in his nym. Manics
live in a world of their own. Their fantasies fill in the void in their
real life. All of us have a bit of Mitty in us but some are completely
possessed with it. Leave him at peace with himself.<g>
Sam

[Walt_M]

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:51:04 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Walt_M writes:
>
>> At the end of the day, Mxsmanic, it's just a hobby simulator...
>
>If you look at it that way, then it's a waste of time. Fortunately, I don't.

Mxsmanic, you're doing it again. You're being a twit for reasons
which escape me.

I didn't say or imply that MSFS was a waste of time, I said it was a
hobby.

If you don't know that what I meant by that was that MSFS was not
meant to be compared to the more sophisticated, multi-million dollar
full-motion simulators, then perhaps that part of your brain which
deals with semantics is impaired. An MRI brain scan is suggested to
reslove this issue.

Now go away and stop wasting my time. Clearly your hobby is to argue
with people for no reason except that you can.

Pfffffffffffffft

[Walt_M]

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:41:33 -0500, "sambodidley"
<tail...@stallout.net> wrote:

>
>"Walt_M" <walt...@live.com> wrote in message >>True, but a lot of things
>won't work while the sim is paused, so to adjust
>>>some things the sim has to be running, which can mean a lot of scrambling
>>>in
>>>some circumstances. Sometimes just talking to ATC can be impossible.
>>
>> At the end of the day, Mxsmanic, it's just a hobby simulator...

> But with him, it's a mania. He even says as much in his nym. Manics
>live in a world of their own. Their fantasies fill in the void in their
>real life. All of us have a bit of Mitty in us but some are completely
>possessed with it. Leave him at peace with himself.<g>

Oh don't worry, Sam. I just gave him "what for". :-))))))

[sambodidley]

"Walt_M" <walt...@live.com> wrote in message

news:okttp79bh9ht0a0oe...@4ax.com...

I think somebody has just watched too many Toy Story movies.<g>
Sam

[sambodidley]

"donbutts" <donneybutts...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:jnkdo9$c68$1...@dont-email.me...

Yep, that'll work. Now if I could just get somebody to come in here and
shake my seat for me.<g>
Sam

[Mxsmanic]

sambodidley writes:

> But with him, it's a mania.

I don't sim often enough for it to be a mania. Besides, if I had a true mania
about flying, I probably would have become a real pilot many years ago.
Unfortunately, there are some aspects of flying for real that put me off.

> He even says as much in his nym.

My pseudonym has nothing to do with aviation.

> Manics live in a world of their own. Their fantasies fill in the void
> in their real life.

There you go again, illustrating the psychological characteristics I have
previously described. Is this entirely transparent to you?

[Uncle Vic]

Gregory <flights...@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in
news:a39lp7df5rnad5c0c...@4ax.com:

> Anyone using FS9 regularly?

FSX is working well here. Not that I needed the disk space, but I
uninstalled FS9. FS9 was great, though...

--
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