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Feb 21, 2022, 1:23:49 PMFeb 21
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It's been about 18 months since I visited this site so I thought that I'd dip my toe in and have a look.
Then, as today I couldn't find one post that was remotely flight simulator related.
Really sad as this used to be a great group full of useful information and friendly chat.
This no longer seems to be the case.
Perhaps a group name change perhaps ?
All the best.
Pete.

Pete

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Feb 23, 2022, 10:20:34 AMFeb 23
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...Post Script
I lied ! On closer inspection, there were a few flight sim related articles but few and far between...
Cheers,
Pete,

GOD

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Feb 23, 2022, 3:29:00 PMFeb 23
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Pete, this is no longer a flightsim newsgroup. These days it mostly
has only two people posting here. The newsgroup has devolved into a
protracted verbal back-alley brawl between an abusive, lying,
defamatory cyber-bully and his karmic nemesis. If anyone else comes
here and also challenges (calls out) the cyber-bully, predictably,
he spits his lies and abuse at them as well.

This abusive, lying, defamatory cyber-bully is Bob Smith, a bitter
and twisted Texan veteran of America's war against the hapless
people of Iraq (Operation Desert Storm) who clearly suffers from
a severe case of untreated PTSD and terminal brainwashing.
Bob's aliases include Bob_Copter_Six, Gerrys Worst Nightmare, Truth
Sayer, GIRLY MAN ALERT!!!, FUCKTARD ALERT!!!, ASS-PIRATE ALERT!!!,
ASSCLOWN ALERT!!!

Bob is a white supremacist, war justifying, war glorifying,
capitalism-loving, Trump-voting, fake news regurgitating, Storm
Front, Breitbart, Infowars and Daily Stormer reading "patriot" who
may even be a member of white nationalist terror groups such as
"Atomwaffen" and "The Base" and who abuses and cyber-bullies
people who say things he doesn't agree with - especially if they
cast aspersions on AmeriKKKa's self-serving, mass murdering
foreign policy, past or present.

If Bob disagrees with you he won't enter into any rational debate
with you, he'll just abuse and vilify you for daring to voice an
opinion his brainwashed mind has a problem with. Apparently he
hasn't yet heard of the First Amendment to America's constitution.

Bob's karmic nemisis is Gerry Binder, a bitter and twisted
Australian veteran of America's war against the hapless people of
Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, who also suffers from PTSD and
although he has received treatment for this, the success of that
treatment has been questioned by some. His aliases include
Walt_M, Sygmund_F, Nurse Ratched, N=N+1, and GOD.

Gerry is an anti-war activist, politically left-leaning, and believes
that AmeriKKKa's form of buccaneer capitalism is a toxic Big
Business scam that enriches few whilst exploiting the fuck out of
everyone else - both home and abroad. Furthermore, he believes
that AmeriKKKa's military-industrial complex, as forewarned by
President Eisenhower,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY has so totally
ensnared the AmeriKKKan economy and its people that AmeriKKKa can
actually no longer afford to let peace break out on the planet because
that would not only crash the American economy, but also break the
military- industrial complex's usurped grip on power. Hence America's
economy is dependent on conflict, war (US-sanctioned mass murder),
arms sales, and global dominance.

Way back in 1934 another notable and highly decorated American
General saw this whole mess coming. US Marine Corps Major
General Smedley Butler wrote the booklet War Is A Racket - you
can download a free PDF copy here:
https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

It's no surprise then that Gerry, who, as a young man, naively
believed the government propaganda that claimed he was fighting for
freedom and democracy in Vietnam, subsequently became disgusted with
what has happened to the America-dominated "West".

So, even in here in AGMSFS, history was always going to happen, as it
does everywhere and everywhen, and to fully understand that history we
need to scan a long way back through the archives. Significantly,
June 2001 is a good start point.

Back then AGMFS was a friendly _international_ flight simulation
discussion group comprising a mixture of members hailing from all over
the world with a variety of skills and interests to bring to the
table. At that point in time, 99% of the posts here were "on-topic".

And then, on September 11, 2001, shit happened. A group of
mostly Saudi mujahideen, who were affiliated with a group of people
who once upon a time were Reagan's CIA-trained, CIA-armed, and
Saudi-funded Wahabist fundamentalist Islamist "freedom fighters", a
group that was instrumental in running the Russian army out of
Afghanistan, a group that was, by then, also seriously disgusted by
America's war mongering, self-serving and domineering foreign policy
in the Middle East, said "ENOUGH !!!" (in Arabic of course) - and
they flew planes into strategic targets in the US in order to, in
_their_ view, "give the Americans a taste of their own medicine."
And thus did America's decades-long, toxic and self- serving Middle
Eastern foreign policy pigeons come home to roost - big time. Pigeon
shit was all over the place!

Chalmers Johnson wrote an excellent trilogy of well researched
books on the subject of American foreign policy "blowback" if you
want to know a bit more about this topic:
https://www.thenation.com/article/blowback-world-chalmers-johnson/

And once you've got your brain around Chalmers Johnson's mind opening
elucidations, you might like to further your education about
belligerent, arrogant, self-serving, mass murderous AmeriKKKan foreign
policy by working your way through the following reading list:

The Normalization of War - by Andrew J. Bacevich
Dreaming War - by Gore Vidal
A Pretext for War - by James Bamford
Perpetual War [...] - by Gore Vidal
Secrets - by Daniel Ellsberg
A Bright Shining Lie - by Neil Sheehan
Body Of Secrets - by James Bamford
Rogue State - by William Blum
Rogue States - by Noam Chomsky
Rogue Nation - by Clyde Prestowitz
The Last Empire - by Gore Vidal
A People's History of The U.S. - by Howard Zinn
The Best Democracy Money Can Buy - by Greg Palast
Hegemony or Survival - by Noam Chomsky
After The Empire by Emmanuel Todd
Tell Me No Lies - by John Pilger

...but the best book by far, IMHO, is Killing Hope: U.S. Military and
C.I.A. Interventions since World War II - by William Blum. This book
is a history of covert CIA operations and United States military
interventions during the second half of the 20th century. It covers
various US foreign policy adventures from just after World War II
onward. Its basic premise is that the American Cold War activities
abroad were done with imperialist motives. The CIA thinks so highly of
this book that they even let you download a free, unredacted PDF copy
here:
https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/13/130AEF1531746AAD6AC03EF59F91E1A1_Killing_Hope_Blum_William.pdf

Happy reading, boys and girls...

Now, back to the topic du jour:

In the emotion-charged months after 9/11, and through to 2004,
here in AGMSFS there followed _many_ OFF TOPIC and
acrimonious POLITICAL arguments. It soon became obvious that
Osama bin Laden and his merry band of "Reagan's Freedom
Fighters" had driven the AmeriKKKan "patriot" flight simmers (not to
mention "patriotic" AmeriKKKa as a whole) absolutely and certifiably
apeshit.

It seems "patriotic" AmeriKKKans are fine with having sent their
"finest" to kill _millions_ in wars of aggression their country has,
self-servingly, orchestrated and engineered over the decades, and yet
they go completely nuts when some people who are traumatised out of
their PTSD-warped skulls, lose the plot completely and go kill a few
thousand Americans on American home soil - by way of a gesture of
protest and pay-back. (Call it AmeriKKKa's Karma)

Strange, that... it's almost like AmeriKKKan "patriots" have no
capacity at all for empathy - i.e. they have no idea how people in
other countries feel when _their_ city is bombed to the shithouse,
when _their_ infrastructure completely destroyed, when _their_
house blown to smithereens, when _their_ mother, father, sister,
brother is killed or horribly and permanently maimed - all because
AmeriKKKa has decided their country needs a bit of "assistance"
whilst it steals their oil or whatever else America was after at the
time. Strange, that... It's almost like AmeriKKKan blood is
precious and everyone else's blood is "collateral damage".
It seems, also, that "patriotic" Americans think there won't be any
consequences (blowback) deriving from their country's arrogant
and mass murderous actions abroad - all of it justified by a pack of
lies - propaganda and lies.

Anyway, back here in AGMSFS, by the end of 2004 many of the
non-AmeriKKKan posters as well as many moderate American flight
simmers had disappeared - having chosen to exit the toxic
atmosphere created by these "patriots" - an atmosphere in which
AmeriKKKa's ham-fisted response to the events of 9/11 was
"defended" by these "patriots" by launching vicious personal attacks
against anyone who dared to question or critique said ham-fisted
response. The message was clear: Question or criticise AmeriKKKa,
and you will be attacked, abused, and vilified.

Thus did a hard core of a half dozen or so American "patriot"
cyber-bullies establish their grip on what was once a fine
INTERNATIONAL flight simmers newsgroup. George W Bush's "War On
Terror" had invaded AGMSFS. These were the "patriot" cyber-thugs whom
"Dallas" (Norman Edwin Burton), a Texan rabble-rouser, would later
proudly refer to as this newsgroup's "immune system". And they would
pile on with personal abuse and vilification upon anyone who
"misbehaved". According to _their_ warped perception, all was still
well in what _they_ now thought of as _their_ newsgroup.

The stage was set for 2009.

Gerry arrived here in early 2009. For the first six months or so he
was "well behaved", but by late 2009 he was getting heartily sick of
regularly seeing OFF TOPIC, American "patriotic" war crap
interspersed with OFF TOPIC misogynistic crap and OFF TOPIC
racist crap, and so he began to challenge some of that stuff,
particularly the OFF TOPIC war-glorifying and OFF TOPIC war-
justifying type of crap, and, you guessed it - all hell broke loose!

It quickly became obvious that calling out OFF TOPIC racism, OFF TOPIC
misogyny, OFF TOPIC war glorification and OFF TOPIC war propaganda -
and being critical of AmeriKKKan foreign policy, past or present - was
a "crime" warranting nothing less than the vilification and
ostracisation of such an "offender" by Dallas's "immune system".
Dallas's posse of "patriot" cyber bullies had launched their "War On
Gerry".

And it was not to long before 50% of all the traffic here was made
up of very long threads characterised by personal abuse levelled
against Gerry - with Gerry predictably availing himself of his
inalienable right to self defence against said personal attacks.

And thus A FIVE YEAR LONG WAR of cyber-bullying was waged
against Gerry in their ill-conceived attempt to drive him out. And
the more they abused him, the more resolved he became to prevail
against their bullying. Their disingenuous (and vilificatious)
catchcry was "Gerry is a troll".

In their "patriotic" hubris and delusion they imagined that Gerry
would quickly wilt in the face of their vilificatious and defamatory
lies and abuse. The fatal flaw in their "reasoning" was that they
failed to understand that Gerry, an Australian veteran of AmeriKKKa's
war against the people of Vietnam. Laos and Cambodia, who was, these
days, severely pissed off at having been lied to about the need to
invade Vietnam and AmeriKKKa's entire Cold War Scam, was made of much,
much sterner stuff.

Not only did these "patriot" ABUSE TROLLS lose this war of their
own making, but their war destroyed this newsgroup. And, being the
liars they were, they blamed it all on Gerry. "Gerry destroyed this
newsgroup" was now their new catchcry.

If only, much earlier on, they had been civil in how they dealt with
those who had expressed doubts about the US response to 9/11,
and later, (since they labelled Gerry a "troll") if only they had
heeded the well-understood wisdom of "not feeding the troll", this
newsgroup could arguably have remained very viable indeed. Sadly, in
true AmeriKKKan "patriot" style, they still blame everyone except
themselves for the destruction they have caused.

Sadly too, it's the only way in which they can justify their
"patriotic"
investment in the deluded, megalomanic idea that AmeriKKKa is the
rightful, ordained-by-God, master and ruler of the "free" world - "and
that includes flightsim newsgroups too, goddammit!!! Hooah!!!"

In here it doesn't really matter that much. All they destroyed was a
Usenet newsgroup that was probably already doomed by
technological "progress", but out there, in the real world, where
those very same "patriotic" attitudes still shape AmeriKKKa's foreign
(global !!!) policy, if I were you, dear reader, I'd be afraid. VERY
afraid...

"Dallas's Cowboys do AGMSFS":
http://checkthisout999.blogspot.com.au/2015/05/blog-post_28.html

====================

UPDATE: From 2015 onwards, upon the destruction of this
newsgroup, and to ensure that it remained a smouldering ruin with
no hope of recovery, Bob Smith kept posting personal attacks
against Gerry in the form of vilificatious and defamtory lies and
abuse. He is still doing so to this day. And so, history keeps right
on happening...

=====================================================
=====================================================
=== It's time to guzzle another Copter_Six_Pack ===
=====================================================
=====================================================

Bob Smith, a.k.a. Bob_Copter_Six, a.k.a. Truth Sayer, a.k.a.
GerrysWorst Nightmare hates Gerry Binder's "offensive" sigs.
Classicexamples of which are as follows:

> Offence freely given to those who wish to take it.

and

> =====================================
> US war cry: "Keep on killin' 'em till
> they submit to our superior culture!
> Hooah!!!"
> =====================================

Here he is, playing dress-ups:
https://checkthisout999.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-truth-slayer.html

Interestingly, Bob is offended by stuff Gerry has uttered, but, for
some weird unfathomable reason (maybe it's a "patriot" thang), he
isNOT offended when his own country, America, does the following:

[1] Instigating and waging state-sanctioned mass murder all over
this planet to further its own corrupt empire and calling that
"fighting for freedom and democracy".

[2] Conducting, aiding and abetting assassination plots in other
countries because their leaders are not "US-friendly".***

[3] Training and funding people to overthow regimes which are _not_
"US-friendly".***

[4] Actively supporting and arming non-democratic, mass murderous
regimes which _are_ "US-friendly".***

*** "US-friendly" is code for "letting American corporations vacuum
huge profits out of their countries whilst paying local employees
peanuts and avoiding local taxes."

The only people Gerry (happily) offends are nutjobs who, like himself,
were once suckered into that mass-murderous shit-storm which is US
foreign policy, but who, _unlike_ himself, refuse to acknowledge the
evils inherent in [1], [2], [3] and [4] above.

These days Gerry's "offensiveness" is NOT accomplished by
participating in or condoning America's mass murder of millions in
order to "liberate" them so as to expose their countries to economic
rape and pillage by corporations whose major shareholders
"accidentally" happen to be mega-rich American citizens.

Nor by offensively strewing millions of cluster bomblets all over
their countryside which will continue to kill and maim innocent
civilians for decades to come.

Nor by offensively polluting their landscape with "agent orange" or
depleted uranium, thereby making millions of innocent civilians sick
and causing millions of birth defects for decades to come.

Nor by offensively using armed drones to violate another country's
sovereign airspace to assassinate "terror suspects" without affording
said "suspects" anything even vaguely resembling due process.

No, Gerry's "offensiveness" is delivered _only_ in the form of
harmless, tiny little electronic characters appearing on people's
monitors, tablets or cell phones, and his "offensiveness" is generally
only experienced by, and limited to, those who are apologists for
state sanctioned mass murder.

=============================
US Rationalisation #1: "We had to
destroy the village in order to save
it from the Viet Cong"
=============================
US Rationalisation #2: "We had to
destroy the country in order to save
it from Saddam Hussein."
=============================
US Rationalisation #3: "We had to
destroy the world in order to save
it from people who don't like being
fucked over by our corporations."
=============================
Bully Bob's Rationalisation:
"We 'patriots' had to destroy this
newsgroup in order to save it from
'the Beast of AGMSFS'."
=============================


Also, changing the name of this newsgroup requires action by whoever
originally set this group up, and those people no longer bother to
read this group.


.Gerry's Worst Nightmare

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Feb 23, 2022, 6:11:20 PMFeb 23
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On 2/23/2022 9:20 AM, Pete wrote:

> On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 18:23:49 UTC, Pete wrote:
>> It's been about 18 months since I visited this site so I thought that I'd dip my toe in and have a look.
>> Then, as today I couldn't find one post that was remotely flight simulator related.
>> Really sad as this used to be a great group full of useful information and friendly chat.
>> This no longer seems to be the case.
>> Perhaps a group name change perhaps ?
>> All the best.
>> Pete.




-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pete, are you wondering WTF is going on here?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Simple. This is the smoldering ruin of what was once a fine
_international_ flight simmers newsgroup.

These days it mostly has only two people posting here. The newsgroup
has devolved into a protracted verbal back-alley brawl between an
abusive, lying, defamatory cyberbully and his karmic nemesis. If anyone
else comes here and also challenges (calls-out) the cyberbully,
predictably, he spits his lies and abuse at them as well.

This abusive, lying, defamatory cyberbully is *Gerry Binder*, a bitter
and twisted Aussie pseudo-veteran of 3 months in Vietnam who clearly
suffers from a severe case of untreated PTSD and terminal brainwashing.
Gerry's aliases include 37 different nyms to bypass the BOZO filters!!!

Gerry is a Nazi, terrorist sympathizing, Commie-loving, fake news
regurgitating, "socialist" who may even be a member of white nationalist
terror groups such as the NAZI Party, "ANTIFA" and "BLM" and who abuses
and cyberbullies people who say things he doesn't agree with.

If Gerry disagrees with you he won't enter into any rational debate with
you, he'll just abuse and vilify you for daring to voice an opinion his
brainwashed mind has a problem with. Apparently he hasn't yet heard of
the First Amendment to America's constitution. (But he sure knows how to
utterly misinterpret the Second.)

Gerry Binder, a bitter and twisted Australian pseudo-veteran, who also
allegedly suffers from PTSD and although the Dole Bludger has received
treatment for this, the success of that treatment has been questioned by
some. His aliases include Walt_M, Sygmund_F, Nurse Ratched, N=N+1, GOD
and 35 others over the years so he can be sure to Troll as many people
as he possibly can.

Gerry is an anti-war activist, Communist, Terrorist Sympathizer and
Super Troll that has destroyed or been banned by no less than 4 Social
Media Platforms.


======================
Way back in 1934 another Communist American General saw this whole
Freedom loving movement coming. US Marine Corps Major General Smedley
Butler wrote the booklet War Is A Racket - you can download a free PDF
copy here:
https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

Hell, he wrote War is a Racket and he never even fought in WWI. He
retired in 1931 and died in 1940 so he had nothing to do with WWII.

The only places he served were in Honduras, Nicaragua, Mexico, and Haiti
(awarded his Medals of Honor in Mexico and Haiti). Mexico and Haiti
were limited conflicts and they handed out MOH's like candy.


It's no surprise then that *Commie Gerry*, who, as a young man, naively
believed the government propaganda that claimed he was fighting for
freedom and democracy in Vietnam, subsequently became a coward and drank
paddy water to get sick and get out of that scary place.


If you too are a *Commie Piece of Shit*, read the following lying
propaganda -

Chalmers Johnson wrote a myriad of lies on the subject of American
foreign policy "blowback" if you want to know a bit more about this topic:
https://www.thenation.com/article/blowback-world-chalmers-johnson/

And once you've got your brain around Chalmers Johnson's mind numbing
lies, you might like to further your brainwashing education about
foreign policy by working your way through the following socialist
propaganda:

The Normalization of War - by Andrew J. Bacevich
Dreaming War - by Gore Vidal
A Pretext for War - by James Bamford
Perpetual War [...] - by Gore Vidal
Secrets - by Daniel Ellsberg
A Bright Shining Lie - by Neil Sheehan
Body Of Secrets - by James Bamford
Rogue State - by William Blum
Rogue States - by Noam Chomsky
Rogue Nation - by Clyde Prestowitz
The Last Empire - by Gore Vidal
A People's History of The U.S. - by Howard Zinn
The Best Democracy Money Can Buy - by Greg Palast
Hegemony or Survival - by Noam Chomsky
After The Empire by Emmanuel Todd
Tell Me No Lies - by John Pilger

...but the best Commie lies book by far, IMHO, is Killing Hope: U.S.
Military and
CIA. Interventions since World War II - by William Blum. This book is a
fake history of covert CIA operations and United States military
interventions during the second half of the 20th century. It covers
various US foreign policy adventures from just after World War II
onward. Its basic premise is that the American Cold War activities
abroad were done with imperialist motives. The CIA thinks so highly of
the brainwashing content of this book that they even let you download a
free, un-redacted PDF copy here:
https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/13/130AEF1531746AAD6AC03EF59F91E1A1_Killing_Hope_Blum_William.pdf

Happy brainwashing, boys and girls...



Now, back to the topic du jour:

It soon became obvious that Osama bin Laden and his merry band of
"Islamic Terrorists" had made Gerry Binder VERY happy.

It seems "Comrade Binder is fine with having Terrorists kill a few
thousand Americans on American home soil - by Gerry’s warped thinking,
a gesture of protest and pay-back.

Strange, that... it's almost like Gerry has no capacity at all for
empathy - i.e. he has no idea how people in other countries feel when
Commies kill millions of their own, when _their_ infrastructure
completely destroyed, when _their_ house blown to smithereens, when
_their_ mother, father, sister, brother is killed or horribly and
permanently maimed - all because the Communist elites have decided their
country needs a bit of the “*Iron Hand Treatment*”


Thus did Gerry Binder and his Flying Monkey, Cyril Mellor establish
their grip on what was once a fine INTERNATIONAL flight simmers
newsgroup. Binder and Mellor's "*War On AGMFS*” had invaded the
Newsgroup. These were the "Super Troll" cyber-thugs who destroyed AGMFS.


Gerry arrived here in early 2009. It didn’t take 6 months before the
insane asshole who is Gerry Binder melted down. He had already destroyed
AUSMOTO newsgroup and now he set his sights on AGMFS - all hell broke
loose!

And it was not to long before 50% of all the traffic here was made up of
very long threads characterized by personal abuse leveled against AGMFS
- with the AGMFS members predictably availing themselves of their
inalienable right to self defense against Gerry’s personal attacks.

And thus A FIVE YEAR LONG WAR of cyber-bullying was waged against AGMFS
in Gerry’s ill-conceived attempt to drive everyone out.

In his hubris and delusion Gerry imagined that AGMFS would quickly wilt
in the face of his vilification and defamatory lies and abuse. The fatal
flaw in his "reasoning" was that he failed to understand that he, the
*Coward of Vietnam*, was totally Bat-Shit Crazy.

Not only did Gerry lose this war of his own making, but he destroyed
this newsgroup. And, being the liar he is, he blamed it all on AGMFS.
"Gerry destroyed this newsgroup".

Sadly, in true Communist style, he still blames everyone except himself.

If I were you, dear reader, I'd be afraid. VERY afraid of this brain
dead asshole...


====================

UPDATE: From 2015 onward, to ensure that it remained a smoldering ruin
with no hope of recovery, Gerry Binder kept posting personal attacks
against Bob and America in the form of vilification and defamatory lies
and abuse. He is still doing so to this day. And so, history keeps
right on happening...








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