Engine Start Bombardier Learjet
SnakeEyes
case someone has come up with an answer, here goes:
Does anyone know how to start the default Learjet using the mouse and
switches rather than using CTRL E on the keyboard?
When I use the engine start panel, I click the appropriate switches in
what I think is the correct order, the engine spools up and then down
again. Is this a bug or am I forgetting something?
I might add the engine start switches are kind of goofy on the default
737 too. The fuel switches on the centre console start the engines.
Oh well.....
Arthur
Loek
Just keep clicking on that starter switch Arthur.There are more aircraft
like that.
Loek
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PJ
click ctrl shift f4
guyo
under each throttle (engine view) when the turbine spools
at 20% or more.
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Danny
I had to do that for the Dodosim Bell 206 since I needed the mouse to roll
the grip on the collective after the torque gets up to 10. I use
ctrl+shift+A for starter 1.
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SnakeEyes
> You can set a keyboard shortcut for Starter1 and Starter2 if you had rather.
> I had to do that for the Dodosim Bell 206 since I needed the mouse to roll
> the grip on the collective after the torque gets up to 10. I use
> ctrl+shift+A for starter 1.
>
Thank you, but CTRL E starts the engines. I can't figure out why the
starter panel doesn't start them, and I think it's some kind of fuel
adjustment. None of the prior suggestions have worked for me. I
guess I should have mentioned I am using FSX, and maybe the starter
systems work differently than in FS9.
It's no big deal, really....just would be nice to have the switches
work properly.
Thanks anyway....
Arthur
Bob - Copter Six
> You can set a keyboard shortcut for Starter1 and Starter2 if you had
> rather. I had to do that for the Dodosim Bell 206 since I needed the
> mouse to roll the grip on the collective after the torque gets up to 10.
> I use ctrl+shift+A for starter 1.
>
>
Did you mean N1? I haven't read the start checklist for the Dodo but
opening the throttle at 10% N1 is begging for a hot start... just
sayin' :{}
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Danny
starter button until about 10 or 12% then rotate the grip on the Dodo.
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Bob - Copter Six
> Gas producer. I incorrectly typed torque. But you gotta hold down the
> starter button until about 10 or 12% then rotate the grip on the Dodo.
>
>
You'll make a god helo pilot. :{}
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Flatline@villa_straylight.org Dixie Flatline
flips all the switches and stuff in the proper sequence for you
resulting in the engines starting.
Danny
a keyboard shortcut to push the Starter button such as the Bell 206Jet
Ranger from Dodosim, when the mouse is doing something else such as twisting
the throttle grip.
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ManhattanMan
> On 1/17/2011 8:24 PM, Danny wrote:
>> Gas producer. I incorrectly typed torque. But you gotta hold down the
>> starter button until about 10 or 12% then rotate the grip on the Dodo.
>>
>>
>
> You'll make a god helo pilot. :{}
How bout me? I usually end up in dodo, then get a grip... :)
Vic Baron
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and you sure know how to pile it.
;)
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>
>>
>> How bout me? I usually end up in dodo, then get a grip... :)
>
> and you sure know how to pile it.
>
Well, when enough is generated, ya gotta do something with it - then
when the incoming is added, it can get to be a bit overwhelming! :)
Iain Smith
> Does anyone know how to start the default Learjet using the mouse and
> switches rather than using CTRL E on the keyboard?
>
coughing (you should see my screen! :-{ )
Assuming it is a dead cockpit, I started by switching the battery on and
then pressed the start button for the APU (Auxiliary Power Unit), then
switched the APU generator on. I then pressed the start button for no. 1
(Left) engine. Pressing the start button flipped the red fuel switch
under the throttle lever up into the 'open' or 'on' position. The engine
ran up and when N2 reached 20% it fired and away it went. Repeated same
for no. 2.
I then wondered how accurately modelled it is and went through the
process again but left out starting the APU or switching it on. Well
what d'ya know? Dear old Microsoft. Without the APU the engines still
started and, before you say it, I was nowhere near a ground power point
- I was halfway down a runway just to make sure.
So it's even simpler than I thought - battery on, press start button,
away they go!
Iain
Rugby, UK
Loek
That could be correct. The smaller planes like the Learjet should be
selfsupporting. In some places where you can land with a Learjet you just do
not have the correct equipment available as ground power. So you start up
using the battery. There may be limits on the number of starts without
recharging the battery.
I don't know about the big iron though.
Loek
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Bob - Copter Six
> That is what he said he was trying to avoid. Sometimes it is handy to
> have a keyboard shortcut to push the Starter button such as the Bell
> 206Jet Ranger from Dodosim, when the mouse is doing something else such
> as twisting the throttle grip.
>
>
I have the "prop" axis mapped to the slider on the Saitek X52 throttle.
That way I can control the throttle on helicopters and also set the
Prop Pitch in flight. I have the mixture mapped to the revolving hat on
top of the throttle. That's always worked OK for me.
Bob - Copter Six
>> You'll make a god helo pilot. :{}
>
>
> How bout me? I usually end up in dodo, then get a grip... :)
Heh ... I know the feeling..... :{}
Iain Smith
provided I would expect this to be needed during the start process if
only for the bleed air supply.
Iain
Rugby, UK
SnakeEyes
wrote:
> Interesting points Loek but does a Learjet have an APU? If an APU is
> provided I would expect this to be needed during the start process if
> only for the bleed air supply.
>
> Iain
> Rugby, UK
>
The default FSX Learjet does have an APU, which, of course, I leave on
during start and turn off shortly afterwards. I don't think it does
anything, because the 'emergency battery' light remains lit on the
annunciator. It should go out when the APU is active, I think, since
the APU takes over the job of powering.
I have watched all the switches, levers, buttons, etc. after pressing
CTRL E to start the engines and don't see anything new. I tried
advancing the throttles a bit, have pressed the ignition button which
illuminates and then the start button. The engine spools up and then
down again and continues to do that. It certainly sounds fuel starved
but I don't know how to feed it.
I'm thinking it's a bug. They started to design the model so it could
be started manually and forgot to do something with its config. Oh
well, once the engines are going, the flights are usually just fine.
Arthur
Iain Smith
> I'm thinking it's a bug. They started to design the model so it could
> be started manually and forgot to do something with its config. Oh
> well, once the engines are going, the flights are usually just fine.
>
on and pressing the start button for each engine was enough to get them
going.
Iain
Rugby, UK
Loek
Learjet. I know IRL the smaller versions of Learjet (31A) don't have an APU
just to reduce weight.
About the start-up itself. What I meant in my earlier post on this topic is
that in FS9 I need to keep on clicking the start button in a certain rate
just to keep the starter going. Other airplanes only need one click, but the
(FS9) Lear and some other planes you need to keep on clickin'.
Using CTRL-E does not automatically mean that all the necessary switches
will be flipped! So that may fool you a bit. Is there no switch for the EMER
Battery?
Gee, it really is about time to buy FSX myself so I know what you guys are
talking about. But hé! I already have permission from the misses to get a
better rig which I need to run FSX on! HAH! Can't wait :-))
Cheers,
Loek
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SnakeEyes
> I don't have FSX so I did not know about an APU in this version of the
> Learjet. I know IRL the smaller versions of Learjet (31A) don't have an APU
> just to reduce weight.
>
> About the start-up itself. What I meant in my earlier post on this topic is
> that in FS9 I need to keep on clicking the start button in a certain rate
> just to keep the starter going. Other airplanes only need one click, but the
> (FS9) Lear and some other planes you need to keep on clickin'.
>
> Using CTRL-E does not automatically mean that all the necessary switches
> will be flipped! So that may fool you a bit. Is there no switch for the EMER
> Battery?
>
> Gee, it really is about time to buy FSX myself so I know what you guys are
> talking about. But hé! I already have permission from the misses to get a
> better rig which I need to run FSX on! HAH! Can't wait :-))
>
> Cheers,
>
> Loek
Iain.....I'll buy you dinner if you come over and start my Learjet
manually.
Loek...I'll buy you a copy of FSX if you come over and start my
Learjet manually.
That's how sure I am that I can't do it : )
I'm so embarrassed. I can't even start a plane made in
Canada....actually Montreal so I am somewhat consoled (inside
joke). : )
Arthur
Andrew B
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For the Lear in FS9.
Before hitting the start button (everything else set) you need to 'start
fuel flow' by pressing CTR, Shift, F4 together ( I cannot find a button or
switch for this). The engine will then fire as expected once at the
appropriate point.
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Andrew B (Cheshire, England)
"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
(Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.)
Iain Smith
> On Jan 19, 5:15 pm, "Loek" <just...@me.nl> wrote:
>> I don't have FSX so I did not know about an APU in this version of the
>> Learjet. I know IRL the smaller versions of Learjet (31A) don't have
>> an APU
>> just to reduce weight.
>>
>> About the start-up itself. What I meant in my earlier post on this
>> topic is
>> that in FS9 I need to keep on clicking the start button in a certain rate
>> just to keep the starter going. Other airplanes only need one click,
>> but the
>> (FS9) Lear and some other planes you need to keep on clickin'.
>>
>> Using CTRL-E does not automatically mean that all the necessary switches
>> will be flipped! So that may fool you a bit. Is there no switch for
>> the EMER
>> Battery?
>>
>> Gee, it really is about time to buy FSX myself so I know what you
>> guys are
>> talking about. But hé! I already have permission from the misses to get a
>> better rig which I need to run FSX on! HAH! Can't wait :-))
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Loek
>
> Iain.....I'll buy you dinner if you come over and start my Learjet
> manually.
>
One thing I did find with the CRJ, when it first loaded there was a
continual sound of the engines running up and dying down again and this
cycle kept repeating. I managed to quieten it down by pressing both
engine stop buttons. Then I went through the procedure I described and
got them started. Next time you load it up listen and see if yours does
the same. With that happening you may not be able to start the engines.
Iain
Rugby, UK
Loek
I'd love to come over and see Canada again! It's been a long time ago since
my pilot training. Except then for the Goose Bay area where we used to our
low flying training.
You know what? Buy me a ticket Amsterdam - Toronto so I can come over. We'll
work out the manual start with the Learjet and you may forget about the FSX
version then :-))
Cheers,
Loek
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Gypsy Baron
>
> Time has passed since this question has been addressed, so just in
> case someone has come up with an answer, here goes:
>
> Does anyone know how to start the default Learjet using the mouse and
> switches rather than using CTRL E on the keyboard?
>
> When I use the engine start panel, I click the appropriate switches in
> what I think is the correct order, the engine spools up and then down
> again. Is this a bug or am I forgetting something?
>
> I might add the engine start switches are kind of goofy on the default
> 737 too. The fuel switches on the centre console start the engines.
> Oh well.....
>
> Arthur
There are several default FSX aircraft that suffer from starter problems
due to the way ACES changed some of the code between FS9 and FSX.
Have a look at my old post on the subject (3rd down) here that addresses
the issue:
http://www.gamehourz.com/Starting-Engines-FSX-CRJ-700-ftopict200571.html
Paul (Gypsy Baron)
Gypsy Baron
"fixes"
the starter issues and I WILL be "passing through" Canada later this
year :)
Going to Cape Breton for 5 weeks, actually. And stopping over in Toronto
for a 6-day stay in Western NY on my way back to San Francisco.
Paul ( see my reply to the first message in this thread regarding the
starter issues )
SnakeEyes
>
> There are several default FSX aircraft that suffer from starter problems
> due to the way ACES changed some of the code between FS9 and FSX.
>
> Have a look at my old post on the subject (3rd down) here that addresses
> the issue:
>
> http://www.gamehourz.com/Starting-Engines-FSX-CRJ-700-ftopict200571.html
>
Lordy, you are lucky........5 weeks at Cape Breton. Seriously, that's
a great place I have never been to. Maybe one day.
Sorry Paul........I'm not really very enlightened about the starting
issue, I am quite content to continue using the keyboard.
For the info of the sim pilots here, the Lear on FSX does NOT have
fuel cutoff switches underneath the throttle levers.
The CRJ700 does have two red switches, but even if I raise those and
press the ignition buttons, the engines just spool up and down. These
switches under the throttle will kill the engines if pressed downwards
though. Ho Hum......Bombardier must be rolling in his grave.....
If anyone thinks I'm incorrect, please feel free to correct me : )
Arthur
.
Nick O'Tyme at
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> case someone has come up with an answer, here goes:
>
> Does anyone know how to start the default Learjet using the mouse and
> switches rather than using CTRL E on the keyboard?
>
> When I use the engine start panel, I click the appropriate switches in
> what I think is the correct order, the engine spools up and then down
> again. Is this a bug or am I forgetting something?
>
> I might add the engine start switches are kind of goofy on the default
> 737 too. The fuel switches on the centre console start the engines.
> Oh well.....
>
> Arthur
Arthur, as someone has already mentioned, your start problem is caused by
lack of fuel.
Press CTRL-Shift-F4 to start the fuel flow. Then press the start button on
the left or right engine and it will fire up within a few seconds.
Press the start button for the other engine and that will fire up too.
For some reason there are no fuel switches modelled on the Bombardier.
SnakeEyes
> Arthur, as someone has already mentioned, your start problem is caused by
> lack of fuel.
>
> Press CTRL-Shift-F4 to start the fuel flow. Then press the start button on
> the left or right engine and it will fire up within a few seconds.
>
> Press the start button for the other engine and that will fire up too.
>
> For some reason there are no fuel switches modelled on the Bombardier.
You are absolutely, correct, Nick.......I apologize.
Arthur
Iain Smith
>>
> The CRJ700 does have two red switches, but even if I raise those and
> press the ignition buttons, the engines just spool up and down.
Just so we're absolutely clear Arthur. There is one ignition button that
you press to light up, followed by one of the engine start buttons which
is separate from the ignition. Provided the battery is on the engine
will fire up.
I know you probably meant that but I thought it worth "putting out
there" as they say nowadays.
Iain
Rugby, UK
Darren
>"fixes"
>the starter issues and I WILL be "passing through" Canada later this
>year :)
and it's very exasperating. I rarely had problems starting various planes
in FS9 from a cold cockpit but I'll be damned if I can get this Lear started
in FSX reliably.
Can you post the XML here maybe?