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Problem with Wilco/Feelthere CRJ200 panels?

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Robert Randell

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Aug 20, 2009, 6:55:24 AM8/20/09
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Hi,

I installed Wilco's Regional Jet Vol. 1 - CRJ yesterday (Aug 19 / 09)
and the first thing I encountered was the fact that none of the panels
for the CRJ200 work.

Only the main panel and throttle panel appear at all (without gauges),
the overhead panel appears as just a black outline, and all the other
panels appear for a fraction of a second (as black shapes) and then
immediately disappear.

The other two jets in the package, the CRJ700 and CRJ900, work just
fine. It's only the CRJ200 that exhibits this problem. I'm also running
many of Wilco's other aircraft (Airbus, 737, etc) and I'm having no
issues whatsoever with those.

Has anyone else encountered this? Any ideas on a solution?

Thanks for any advice.

- Bob

Pierre

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Aug 20, 2009, 7:45:11 AM8/20/09
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Le Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:55:24 -0400, Robert Randell
<rran...@sympatico.ca> a �crit :

On support page of Wilco website :

To avoid MISSING GAUGES or NON FUNCTIONAL SWITCHES/BUTTONS,
we recommend to launch the aircraft in 2D cockpit, not in Virtual
Cockpit.

Anyway, you can submit your question on Feelthere forum :

http://forum.iemit.com/Default.aspx?g=topics&f=1
(you need to register to this forum ( http://forul.iemit.com )to
access it.

Maybe, it's possible to retrieve some information on old Feelthere
forum :

http://iemit.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=4

Anyway Feelthere guys said :

>Dear Folks,

>The CRJ was developed by feelThere however it's a Wilco product.
>In the past 6 months we have answered most of the technical problems
>here on the forum. Our support contract with Wilco has been expired
>so I would like to ask you to send your support request to Wilco
>from now using Wilco's technical support form at www.wilcopub.com

So, further inquiry have to be made to Wilco support.

Hope this helps :-)

--
Another Pierre LFBE

Robert Randell

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Aug 20, 2009, 6:35:03 PM8/20/09
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Hi Pierre, thanks for the reply.

I'm already starting with the 2-D panel as indicated, so that's not the
problem. In fact, I've tried all the suggestions on the relevant Wilco
support page.

Meanwhile, I will check out the forums you indicated. You never know.
Also, I have submitted a support request to Wilco which I've just found
out has been sent on to their technical team. Hopefully something will
come of it. It's a frustrating issue.

Cheers!

- Bob

Danny

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Aug 20, 2009, 7:42:20 PM8/20/09
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You do not say if you speak about a 2D panel or 3D panel or both. Nor do you
mention if this is FS9 or FS10.

Look in the aircraft.cfg file of that plane. There is a line there for
PANEL=. This line will direct the sim to load a certain 2D panel. In other
words you can use a Cessna panel or a 777 panel, provided the folder that is
referenced on that line in in the main aircraft folder. Is there a
reference in that line for a panel folder?

Are there other panel folders in the main aircraft folder, such as, PANEL,
PANEL1, PANEL2?

The 3D panel is part of the model. Again the Aircraft.cfg can reference any
one of various model folders if there is more than one model folder present.

Can not imagine the installer screwing up the aircraft.cfg to cause this
problem. Just throwing out suggestions as what to look for.
Danny


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Robert Randell

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Aug 21, 2009, 4:51:08 PM8/21/09
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Hi Danny, thanks for the reply.

My apologies on the lack of info. I should have specified that it is the
2D panel that is giving me trouble, and that it I am running FSX (SP2)
under Vista 64.

I checked out the aircraft.cfg file as per your suggestion. The only
occurrence of "panel" in the file is the one on the line you describe.
That line simply contains "panel=", ie. there is nothing after the "=".
I checked the CRJ700 and CRJ900 aircraft.cfg files and they are exactly
the same. Since the CRJ700 and CRJ900 work fine, I guess this is how it
is supposed to be.

As for other panel folders, there is only one entitled "panel". Again,
it is the same for the CRJ700 and CRJ900.

Also, there is only one "model" folder for each of the CRJ's.

I'll just summarize in a bit more detail exactly what I am encountering
in the 2D cockpit view of the CRJ200 when I try to bring up each panel,
either via shift-# or via the corresponding menu selection:

Main panel and center pedestal - frame appears but no gauges
Overhead panel - only a black shape appears
All other panels - a black shape of the panel flashes briefly, then
immediately extinguishes; attempts to re-invoke result in no appearance
whatsoever

I'll also add that when I go to 3D cockpit view the first time, I see
what appears to be the gauges for only about a second, then the panels
go black. Toggling back to 2D and then back to 3D view results in no
reappearance of the gauges whatsoever.

It is very strange that it is only this aircraft add-on that is giving
me trouble, and only this one aircraft of the three contained in the
add-on. I have many of Wilco's other aircraft installed (Airbus series,
777, E-Jets, 737) and they are all running flawlessly.

I appreciate your suggestions and welcome any additional advice you can
offer.

Thanks again!

- Bob

Danny

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Aug 21, 2009, 5:46:18 PM8/21/09
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2D panels are relatively easy to correct. I sounds like the gauges files
are not in the FSX main Gauges folder or in the CRJ's panel folder. In FSX,
gauges can go in either place. Might I suggest you open the panel folder.
Find the file panel.cfg. Open it with notepad. Near the top of that file,
you should see [window00]. About six or seven lines down you should see the
gauges that this file is trying to reference.
Such as:
gauge00=Bombardier_CRJ_700!compass, 923, 0
gauge01=Bombardier_CRJ_700!annunciator_panel_1, 139, 324
gauge02=Bombardier_CRJ_700!autopilot, 421, 329
gauge03=Bombardier_CRJ_700!annunciator_panel_2, 974, 326

Gauges are usually in the form of a Cab file, an XML file or a gau file.

In the example I pasted above from the default CRJ 700, the line
GAUGE00=Bombardier_CRJ_700!Compass, is the compass gauge and I have a
Bombardier_CRJ_700.CAB file in my CRJ panel folder, so I know this CAB file
actually contains this compass gauge as well as the autopilot,
annunciatior_panel, etc.

If I removed this cab file, I, too, would loose all the gauges on my 2D and
likely 3D as well.

So . . .check you [window00] and see what the gauge names are. Copy and
paste here if you can.

Do you have any CAB files OR xml files in the CRJ's panel folder of the CRJ
in question?
If not, you can check the main FSX\GAUGES folder to see if you see it there.
If you do not see the file

If you want to email the panel cfg to me at danny dot mckee at gmail dot com
(make obvious corrections), I'll be happy to take a look or you can copy and
past all the [windowxx] sections here in the forum.

It is solveable but we must first find what gauges it is calling for and
find the cab or xml or even a xx.gau file that it needs to draw the gauge.
It is easy to put gauges into a 2D panel. You can install a Bendix King
radio stack in a J3 Cub or a 737 autopilot in the J3 Cub with no problem.
Danny

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