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Ian D

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Jul 2, 2009, 4:06:48 PM7/2/09
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The nose gear was up and the mains were only partially
extended. It looks like the main gear collapsing absorbed
some of the landing impact. Also, you can see the engine
was cut just before touchdown.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31709283#31709283


Tom Garrett

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Jul 2, 2009, 5:05:55 PM7/2/09
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That was a great landing! Notice that they cracked the doors open just
before landing.
Tom in Tucson

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Dallas

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Jul 2, 2009, 6:28:14 PM7/2/09
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On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:05:55 -0700, Tom Garrett wrote:

> That was a great landing! Notice that they cracked the doors open just
> before landing.

God bless Cessna.

I will never understand Beechcraft, Mooney and others who build one door on
the passenger side of the airplane. When the thing catches fire, maybe the
passenger gets out ok... but the pilot has got to climb over all the crap
to get out that door while he's on fire. Not good.


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John Ward

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Jul 2, 2009, 7:19:47 PM7/2/09
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Hi Tom,

Was that Manhattan Man piloting that aircraft, mate?

Regards,
John Ward
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Tom Duhamel

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Jul 2, 2009, 8:15:56 PM7/2/09
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Tom Garrett wrote:
> That was a great landing! Notice that they cracked the doors open just
> before landing.
> Tom in Tucson

Yes, a very good landing, giving the situation. That pilot knew what he
was doing. Engine was cut just in time, the door was open and the touch
down was done just fine.

Notice the spectators applauding the landing. I'm sure none of them
wished to see anyone injured.

Tom :)

BernieFlyer

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Jul 2, 2009, 8:46:27 PM7/2/09
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Great landing but after watching it a few times I am unsure about the
cutting of the engine. It certainly stopped but I thought I could see a prop
strike just before it stopped. It looked to be turning slowly but hey, its a
video and sometimes a spinning prop can look almost stopped.

Just being a bit picky and probably wrong (must have got out the wrong side
of the bed this morning).

Bernie


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Dallas

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Jul 3, 2009, 12:54:28 AM7/3/09
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:46:27 +1000, BernieFlyer wrote:

> Great landing but after watching it a few times I am unsure about the
> cutting of the engine.

A tough call... in hindsight he should have cut the mixture and the fuel
valve over the runway threshold long before he actually did.

But, then you lose your option to go around if you don't like the way the
landing is shaping up.

I think in that situation you care more about your body than the engine.


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BernieFlyer

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Jul 3, 2009, 1:52:52 AM7/3/09
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I wouldn't argue with that Dallas!!

Bernie

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TOCA

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Jul 3, 2009, 4:53:24 AM7/3/09
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"Tom Garrett" <garre...@cox.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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> That was a great landing! Notice that they cracked the doors open just
> before landing.
> Tom in Tucson
>

Which is smart because??

The door is part of the cabins structural strength, so opening the door
prior to impact weakens the structure, making a colapse of the cabin more
likely.

OK, the door might get jammed, if left closed, which would be bad if the
thing catches fire :o/

So opening the door before touch down is a trade off, you might be able to
get out fast, if you are not sitting with the wings in your lap?

Tommy C, Denmark


BernieFlyer

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Jul 3, 2009, 6:27:38 AM7/3/09
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In Forced Landing training we are told to unlock hatches and if possible
jamb them open with say a shoe. The airframe may deform in the landing and
the doors may not open so this is an excellent idea.

Bernie


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Dallas

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Jul 3, 2009, 12:23:00 PM7/3/09
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:53:24 +0200, TOCA wrote:

> OK, the door might get jammed, if left closed, which would be bad if the
> thing catches fire :o/

It's a standard check list item for emergency landings.

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Tom Duhamel

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Jul 3, 2009, 5:15:18 PM7/3/09
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What I was told, is that beside the fact that you have a better chance
to save engine an propeller, you also greatly reduce the chance of a
fire. That is whay, I was told, it is best to pull the red lever
completely, effectively cutting fuel injection, so that the engine
become empty of any (or most) fuel.

I agree with Dallas that once it's done, you can't make a go-around, so
perhaps it would be a good idea to cut engine as late as possible.

A question that comes to mind right now: Wouldn't it be better to land
in the grass (or other soft surface), when you know you have the gears
up, rather than aim for the tarmac?

Tom :)

Ian D

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Jul 3, 2009, 6:54:01 PM7/3/09
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With a gear up landing, you want the hardest and smoothest surface.
A soft grassy surface could result in a flip, or other damage. Other
than prop damage, most light aircraft gear up landings on a runway
usually result in dents and scraped paint, unless the aircraft skids off
the runway. Even the smoothest grass runway can still be rough and
bumpy compared to a hard surface, especially when wet.


boB - Copter6

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Jul 3, 2009, 9:41:09 PM7/3/09
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> A question that comes to mind right now: Wouldn't it be better to land
> in the grass (or other soft surface), when you know you have the gears
> up, rather than aim for the tarmac?
>
> Tom :)


Ian answered already, I can just add to the thread with some
experiences. For 20 years we did touchdown autorotations both to the
runway and to grass areas. Landing to grass seemed to be different
every day. The grass and dirt sure can grab the skids and stop you
quick so you had to be prepared for whatever happened especially because
there was no go-around possible during the final part of the auto. The
engine was at idle and the rotor was decaying at that point.

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Roger (K8RI)

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Jul 4, 2009, 10:43:54 PM7/4/09
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On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:06:48 -0400, "Ian D" <tau...@nowhereatall.com>
wrote:

>The nose gear was up and the mains were only partially
>extended. It looks like the main gear collapsing absorbed
>some of the landing impact. Also, you can see the engine
>was cut just before touchdown.

No I don't. <:-)) It looks like it stopped when the prop hit the
runway.

It doesn't (to me) look like they had full flaps either.

>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31709283#31709283
>


Roger (K8RI)

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Jul 11, 2009, 3:23:34 AM7/11/09
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On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:43:54 -0400, "Roger (K8RI)"
<valida...@my.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:06:48 -0400, "Ian D" <tau...@nowhereatall.com>
>wrote:
>
>>The nose gear was up and the mains were only partially
>>extended. It looks like the main gear collapsing absorbed
>>some of the landing impact. Also, you can see the engine
>>was cut just before touchdown.
>
>No I don't. <:-)) It looks like it stopped when the prop hit the
>runway.
>
>It doesn't (to me) look like they had full flaps either.
>

I should add that you darn near have to stall a plane to get the prop
to stop. The one on the Deb will keep turning down to about 30 MPH
with a dead engine (been there) Also the prop does not stop abruptly
as seen in the video.

>>
>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31709283#31709283
>>
>
>


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