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Hill

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Sep 2, 2006, 1:47:22 PM9/2/06
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My system:
MB - AsRock 939Dual-SATA
CPU - Athlon64 3200
OS - XP Pro SP1
Graphics - Radeon 9500 (128Mb)
Graphics Driver - Omega drivers based on ATi Catalyst 6.8
Memory - 1Gb Crucial
Bios - AMI 8.12

My problem:
When I try to run MS Flight Sim 2004 the programme builds the database for
scenery and hangs at the "Century of Flight" splash screen - I have to
ctrl-Alt-Del my way out of it.

This same software ran fine (and still does, as I can't run it on the new
machine) on my old system which has an Abit KG-7 RAID mobo, Radeon 9600
(128Mb) graphics and only 512 Mb memory.

FRAPS is reporting 50+ fps in Flight Gear and a steady 60fps in X-Plane, so
it seems to be just FS2004 that's not up for it.

I'm stumped, has anyone any ideas? Or suggestions where I might better ask
this question?

Regards,
Terry


Danny

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Sep 2, 2006, 2:20:45 PM9/2/06
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You might try to run FS9 in Safe mode. Click Start>All Programs>Microsoft
Games>Flight Simulator> You should see 'start safe mode' as well as 'reset
defaults'. If the safe mode yields no success you might try to reset
defaults which, I believe, is similar to deleting the FS9.cfg file and
letting FS9 recreate that file. I'm guessing it isn't your equipment just a
glitch in the config file.

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Dallas

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Sep 2, 2006, 2:48:19 PM9/2/06
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"Hill"

> This same software ran fine (and still does, as I can't run it on the new
> machine)

There's almost no chance it's a hardware problem.

If the resetting the defaults doesn't work, I'd move on to considering file
corruption as the culprit. It's loading the program into memory and it's
reaching something it doesn't like and it jumps off the tracks.

Consider uninstalling, running a disk defragmenter and reinstalling.

There's also the slight chance that it doesn't get along with your graphics
driver.


Dallas

Dave O

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Sep 2, 2006, 4:25:23 PM9/2/06
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Hi Terry, I had a similar problem, cured it by reinstalling the latest
Direct x,
might work for you. Worth a go
Dave


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Hill

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Sep 2, 2006, 4:30:04 PM9/2/06
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"Danny" <drm...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> You might try to run FS9 in Safe mode. Click Start>All Programs>Microsoft
> Games>Flight Simulator> You should see 'start safe mode' as well as
'reset
> defaults'. If the safe mode yields no success you might try to reset
> defaults which, I believe, is similar to deleting the FS9.cfg file and
> letting FS9 recreate that file. I'm guessing it isn't your equipment just
a
> glitch in the config file.
>
>
>
Hi Danny,

Safe mode and reset defaults both hang at the splash screen, same as the
main exe. Worth a try though. Thanks

Terry


Hill

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Sep 2, 2006, 4:32:36 PM9/2/06
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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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Hi Dallas,

Will try the uninstall, de-frag, re-install thing. Not likely to be the
graphics driver, I don't think, it was running with th same card and driver
on the old rig, after all.

Thanks,

Terry


Hill

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Sep 2, 2006, 4:33:57 PM9/2/06
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"Dave O" <dm.o...@nospambtinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Terry, I had a similar problem, cured it by reinstalling the latest
> Direct x,
> might work for you. Worth a go
> Dave
>
>
Hi Dave,

I think I've re-installed Direct X 9.0c at least twice, but could try it
again after the defrag.

Thanks Terry


David

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Sep 2, 2006, 9:30:57 PM9/2/06
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Not sure if this is your problem, but my FS9 wouldn't open after
installing a beta version of IE. Deleted one of files that IE installs
by direction of some post I found on line, and problem solved.

Dave

David

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Sep 2, 2006, 9:38:12 PM9/2/06
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Hill

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Sep 3, 2006, 5:43:37 AM9/3/06
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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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Hi Dallas,

I'd like to report than Un-install, defrag, re-install did the trick. I'd
*like* to, but I can't!

No change.

My C: drive did need a bunch of defrag though.

Thanks anyway.

Terry


Hill

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Sep 3, 2006, 5:45:36 AM9/3/06
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"David" <Da...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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Hi Dave,

I keep as far away from IE as possible, I run Firefox, and used XP-lite to
remove IE (and media Player) from my system. So I doubt that's my problem.

Thanks anyway.

Terry


Paul Maskell

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Sep 3, 2006, 6:31:02 AM9/3/06
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Hello,

I had this very same problem and your advice cured it.
MANY thanks

I can now fly again. :-))


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Danny

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Sep 3, 2006, 9:54:15 AM9/3/06
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If resetting to 'default' did not work, you might try to delete the FS9.cfg
file altogether and let FS9 rebuild the file. That's my only other
suggestion. It is located in the Documents and Settings folder on the C
drive. If you need help finding it, advise here.
Danny


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David

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Sep 3, 2006, 11:58:14 AM9/3/06
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I'm a Firefox user also, but because there are a few things that I need
IE for, I foolishly downloaded their Beta update. I've since removed it. :)

Dave

Dallas

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Sep 3, 2006, 2:54:30 PM9/3/06
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"Hill"

> I'd like to report than Un-install, defrag, re-install did the trick. I'd
> *like* to, but I can't!

Ugh... and the safe mode thing didn't work either?

I'm out of ideas for the moment, but I'll keep thinking.


Dallas


Hill

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Sep 3, 2006, 3:38:08 PM9/3/06
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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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Me too, unless there's some "Don't run this sucker" stuff that M$ dumped in
the registry... (but that may just be me being paranoid about Redmond again)
Uninstall does flush all the FS2004 stuff out the registry, nice and tidy,
don't it?

I guess I'm going to have to learn Flight Gear or X-Plane - Jeez those
things are difficult to fly!

Thanks,

Terry


Dallas

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Sep 3, 2006, 5:21:55 PM9/3/06
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"Hill"

> Uninstall does flush all the FS2004 stuff out the registry, nice and tidy,
> don't it?

FS9 doesn't have much stuff in the registry.

Ah.. just thought of something. Do you have the noCD crack installed?

Dallas

Tony Smith

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Sep 3, 2006, 5:40:15 PM9/3/06
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Terry,

1. You could try downloading FlightSim Manager from here:
http://www.ranainside.com/software_flightsim_manager.html
It can check some MSFS areas (e.g scenery) for errors. It may show up a
conflict somewhere.
2. Delete your default flight and recreate a new one.
3. Use SCM2004 to look at the "scenery.cfg" file - make sure there are no
duplicate entries (it's file name is "scm2004.zip" and it is available at
Avsim and FlightSim.com).
5. Try a Google search to find software that will check your RAM for errors.
Make sure
the RAM is properly seated in the motherboard (also your video card and
CPU).
6. As others have suggested, delet file fs9.cfg. It is in the folder:
C:\Documents and Settings\XXX(your name)\Application Data\Microsoft\FS9
A new one will be created, using default entries, when you next start the
sim. As an alternative, rather than deleting it you could open it in
Notepad and have a look at it to try to spot and fix any glaring errors e.g.
some older add-ons may need this entry added:

[OldModules]
FSSound.dll=1

and under [DISPLAY.Device XXXX] is the correct video card showing?

Tony
http://www.msfsgateway.com/

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Brett Holcomb

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Sep 3, 2006, 6:31:19 PM9/3/06
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Yes, the registry is cleaned out - what there is as Dallas says.

Once you uninstall delete the FS directory. The uninstaller does not remove
files modified since install (new files added or ones changed) or the
directories containing them so you have to that manually. Then get rid of
the FS files under Documents and Setting/yourusername and those
directories.

As Dallas also said - if you have FS9.1 you need to uninstall it first.

Dallas wrote:

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Hill

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Sep 4, 2006, 12:40:35 AM9/4/06
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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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Indeed I do, I think the original disks went to Uni with my son... who, of
course has more chance of winning the Eurovision Song Contest than finding
anything in his place.

Terry


Hill

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Sep 4, 2006, 12:52:56 AM9/4/06
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"Tony Smith" <tony.sm...@this.btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Hi Tony,

A whole bunch of stuff to try! I'm working today, and this evening have to
try to rescue a friends machine that refuses to boot after a move to another
room, but will give all this a shot as soon as possible.

As I've yet to get this thing beyond the splash screen I have no default
flight. Likewise, no add-ons.

I think I've an Ubuntu Linux disk around here somewhere with memtest on it,
a physical check on the RAM won't hurt either.

Rather than just deleting fs9.cfg file, I've been killing the whole FS9
folder that it sits in. Just gives me false hope for a little longer while
FS2004 rebuilds it.

Thanks for all the ideas,

Terry


Dallas

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Sep 4, 2006, 1:49:37 AM9/4/06
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"Hill"

>> Ah.. just thought of something. Do you have the noCD crack installed?
> Indeed I do,

I'm wondering if you used the noCD crack for FS9.1 on a fresh installation
of FS9.0?

That would cause the train to jump off the tracks.

Dallas


Hill

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Sep 4, 2006, 3:10:24 PM9/4/06
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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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This is very embarassing.

On reading the above, I installed the 9.1 upgrade and the corresponding noCD
crack. Expecting the worst I fired up FS2004. Sure enough it stopped at
the splash screen. I gave the three-fingered salute, and just as dozens of
times before, Task Manager said "not responding". Before I could hit "end
task", the doorbell rang. I cantered downstairs (well, as near a canter as
I can manage at my age), and answered the door - visitor for my daughter, of
course. When I got back to the keyboard, the *&%@£$@:* sim is running!

I think that i may have been wasting everybody's time through my own
impatience. I remember when we first switched to Athlon64s at work we found
that things ran quickly enough *once they got started*, but took longer to
get out of the blocks than they did on standard Athlons.

All I can say is that I'm very, very sorry, and I can't thank you enough for
all your sterling efforts. You are all nice people.

Thank you all.

<hangs head in shame>

Terry


Dallas

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Sep 4, 2006, 5:24:36 PM9/4/06
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"Hill" <

> When I got back to the keyboard, the *&%@£$@:* sim is running!


LOL! That's a new one!

Still laughing....


Yeah, it does take a long time to load. The more add ons the worse it
gets. Nowadaze I start up the sim and go off to do something else to make
use of the time.

I wonder if Crash Lander still has that video of FS start uploaded? How
about it CL?

Dallas


Toosmoky

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Sep 4, 2006, 6:17:14 PM9/4/06
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"Hill" <zen8...@zen.co.uk> wrote in message

> just as dozens of


> times before, Task Manager said "not responding". Before I could hit "end
> task",

I've had that happen with two other games. Sometimes, you just need to be
patient...

It appears "Not Responding" means "at this particular moment".

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Toosmoky
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