Captain Sim C-130 Startup question
MartinS@ms
past electrics startup!
How do I get the AC Bus online if I do not first connect to External
(ground) AC power first? External power isn't always available after
all? (With ground power connected things are OK, but there must be an
option without external power, surely).
According to the maula there's an 'AC Bus Tie Switch' on the Upper
overhead panel - but I don't have one, just a DC switch. The contents
says something about the AC switch being there for "Aircraft 163022
and up", but what does that mean??
I get the GTC running fine, BTW. But then?
Thanks.
Martin S.
(Hampshire, UK)
MartinS@ms
Martin S.
(Hampshire, UK)
MartinS@ms
Tie switch, but calls it the AC Bus Tie. No wonder I'm confused..
Martin S.
(Hampshire, UK)
MikeW
> I get the GTC running fine, BTW. But then?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Martin S.
>
Have a look at Mad Mike's video on start up procedures for the C-130.
http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id1127294184.html
Me.....I just press Auto start. :-)
--
MikeW
Shrewsbury, UK
Just remember, if you crash because of weather, your funeral will be held on
a sunny day.
Tom Duhamel
> MartinS@MS wrote:
>> I get the GTC running fine, BTW. But then?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Martin S.
>>
>
>
> Have a look at Mad Mike's video on start up procedures for the C-130.
>
> http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id1127294184.html
>
> Me.....I just press Auto start. :-)
Really nice video, really! Now I know this is not my kind of airplane. I
love my 8-step procedure in my C182 :)
MartinS@ms
get around this particular problem though.
Martin S.
(Hampshire, UK)
MikeW
> Hi. Thanks, but I already had the video - it doesn't explain how to
> get around this particular problem though.
>
> Martin S.
>
Ahh, right! Sorry I cant be of more help, it's all a bit too technical for
me.
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MikeW
Shrewsbury, UK
Any attempt to stretch fuel is guaranteed to increase headwind.
Danny
video, you see Mike start all four engines. Then he switches on each
engine's generator from whence commeth the electric power. These are the
four switches with the Yellow stripes. Each switch if first turned LEFT to
RESET it. It will return to the OFF position automatically. You then switch
it straight up to the ON position.
He then turns OFF the fifth knob on the far right of that same row with the
Yellow stripe, ATM Generator. He kills the GTC since you should now be
getting your power from the engine generators.
Danny
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MartinS@ms
fly - but you shouldn't need to connect to ground ac supply to be able
to start the AC Bus, and therefore the rest of the systems and finally
the engines. You should be able to connect the AC bus when the a/c is
powered by the battery & GTC. The manuals and instructions say so too,
but with no AC supply coming on line, everything else is scuppered.
I think this is a bug in the a/c (though I thought in v.1.1 they'd
mostly been fixed). I posted to Captain Sim forums, but no replies as
yet.
Martin S.
(Hampshire, UK)
Danny
(guarded) switch on Overhead Panel F, the upper section of the Overhead
panel in the Virtual Cockpit. The manual also identifies that SAME switch
as the DC Bus Tie Switch. If I hover my mouse over that switch, the cover is
opened and the tool tip popup identifies the switch as the DC Bus Tie
Switch. (I have 'Show cockpit tool tips' checked, which is the popup I see).
There are some spelling errors in those tips. The underfloor HEATING switch
is labeled NEATING. So likely the manual might have some errors, too.
Are you attempting to power up the Galley and heat the windshield while
sitting on the ground for an extended period of time? You must be
attempting to accomplish something other than 'start the engines and fly'.
Just not sure what you are attempting to accomplish. But you will likely get
better, quicker response here than you will at Captain Sim. Their customer
service is awful.
Danny
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scott s.
It's been forever since I've flown that one, but IIRC the GTC just
supplies air, and somewhere else there is a air-operated gen (called
air turbine motor/ATM)that supplies AC to the essential AC bus on the
ground. I think it's on the right side of the Gen Panel. You need to
set the AC bus tie switch on the bottom of the elec ovhd panel
(guarded)to get power from there to the main AC bus.
scott s.
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MartinS@ms
fine, and as long as I have the ground power connected I can start up
and taxi away. Without ground pwoer, I don't get anywhere. The guarded
switch at the bottom of the Upper Overhead panel doersn't seem to make
any difference whether it's to the left or right - certainly it
doesn't get AC Power online. The tooltip when you hover the mouse over
it says 'DC Bus Tie Switch'. There is nothing anywhere on any panel
that I can find that says 'AC Bus Tie Switch' - the switch shown in
the manual as being this is the same DC Bus Tie we've mentioned.
The only clue is that the manual also says, in the contents pages,
under AC Bus Tie "Aircraft 163022 and up" - whatever that may mean. No
other explanation.
Ho-hum, I'll just have to go through ground power connection every
time I suppose, but I am sure this is not how it should be - a similar
problem was noticed by some people (and Captain Sim) when the a/c was
first issued, but it was supposedly fixed with the service pack, which
was incorporated into the download product back in 2005..
Martin
Martin S.
(Hampshire, UK)
Danny
item and select C130>Ground Power Supply, which you apparently are doing. I
never knew that menu feature was there until I started reading your posts
and tried to figure out how to connect to External Power.
If I may, allow me to present my start up procedure and hope it helps you.
Enter the cockpit (I use the 2d) and bring up Overhead panel#1. Fuel
switches, from panel#2, are usually ON.
Turn the Green striped battery rotary switch to Battery (straight up and
down)
(If its dark, I take out my trusty Zippo lighter so I can see the battery
switch)
GTC door toggle switch to Open (down)
GTC bleed air valve toggle switch to Open (down)
Engine 1 Bleed valve toggle On (since it is just below the GTC Bleed value)
Air Turbine Motor toggle switch On (down)
GTC rotary switch two clicks to the right to Start. (Listen for
starting/running sounds.)
ATM Generator switch one click left to Reset and release.
ATM generator switch one click right to ATM Generator position.
ATM Load meter shows power.
In the right lower corner you see a "DC Volt Meter". Directly above that is
a 7 position rotary switch. I turn it to the ATM Gen position. I can see on
the AC Voltage gauge directly above it, I have AC Power. In the EXT PWR
position, the AC Volt meter show NO power so I know all my power is coming
from the ATM Generator.
I then proceed to start Eng1 and switch Eng 1 Generator switch to Reset then
On. I can confirm Eng1 Gen is producing power with that 7 position rotary
switch which I move to Eng1 position.
Now I can turn the GTC off, listen for the nice shut down sounds there.
Then, I close the GTC door and all on that portion of the panel to OFF. I
then can start the rest of my engines or sit there and wait for the coffee
to brew in the galley.
Danny
<MartinS@MS> wrote in message
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> Thanks Scott. Yes, that is what I have done - the GTC and ATM run
> fine, and as long as I have the ground power connected I can start up
> and taxi away. Without ground power, I don't get anywhere. The guarded
> switch at the bottom of the Upper Overhead panel doesn't seem to make
scott s.
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Now I am going to have to pull that sucker out of the hanger and
try it myself!
scott s.
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MartinS@ms
Yes, that does it! Many thanks. The bit I was missing was switching
the AC Voltmeter round to ATM Gen. When I do that I can start engines
without ground power connected and the red AC lights in the lower
left-hand corner go out when I switch on the generators.
You're a pal!!
Martin S.
(Hampshire, UK)
Danny
other than that rotary switch, Martin.
That 7 position rotary switch does nothing more than cause the AC Voltmeter
information to DISPLAY the amount of voltage coming from the generators,
so you can confirm the generator is producing power. I merely mentioned
that step so you could see that you did in fact have AC power coming from
the ATM Generator, or from Engines 1,2,3 & 4 generators and NOT from any
external power source.
Try it again and don't touch that 7 position rotary switch. It should still
work.
Danny
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MartinS@ms
without turning the rotary switch.But if that does work, why wasn't I
getting the engines running before. Perhaps best not to dwell on it
too much!
In fact, this way of starting up is still not quite right, from a
realistic point of view, because you can't switch on any of the a/c
lights (NAV light most importantly) before the engines are running,
which is quite wrong. The lights won't come on with only DC power (is
that how it is in the real world? I'd doubt it) and the AC warning
lights in the bottom left-hand corner only go off, enabling the
lights, when at least one engine is running and its generator is
switched on.
Normally I would worry too much, but as this plane has been so
lovingly and realistically created in all other respects, it seems a
bit odd that there is this 'glitch'. Wonder if it is because my
default flight is set to cold & dark??
Martin S.
(Hampshire, UK)
MartinS@ms
wouldn't worry, that is. Freudian slip perhaps - maybe I would worry,
even so.
Martin S.
(Hampshire, UK)
MikeW
> Normally I would worry too much, but as this plane has been so
> lovingly and realistically created in all other respects, it seems a
> bit odd that there is this 'glitch'. Wonder if it is because my
> default flight is set to cold & dark??
>
> Martin S.
>
Martin,
I recently bought this aircraft, before the special offer :-( and
encountered a problem with the landing lights. I don't go through the
starting up procedure, I just start the sim with all engines running, or use
auto start. All to their own! :-)
Landing at night, I just could not get the LANDING lights to work, no matter
what I tried. Eventually, I sorted the problem out by going into the 'start
up procedure' and turning the generator(s) on. Now, you would think that by
starting the sim with all engines running, the generators would have been
switched on and the landing lights would work. Perhaps that's a bug as well,
I just don't know. JFYI.
Glad to hear you got your problem sorted.
--
MikeW
Shrewsbury, UK
Keep thy airspeed up, less the earth come from below and smite thee.
Danny
trying to start the GTC. When I typed my startup procedure, I was thinking
I was helping you with the startup... that you had no AC power.
But in fact, you had AC power, you just had no Voltmeter confirming that for
you. For some reason that dilemma was not getting understood in to my brain.
The only Visual Cue in the plane, is the AC Volt meter. If that rotary
switch is not in the correct position, the AC Volt meter is cold. That was
the problem. I stumbled on that solution accidently because I never twist
that knob and just assume I have power. Oh well. Success for you anyway.
Danny
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scott s.
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>
> Martin,
>
> I recently bought this aircraft, before the special offer :-( and
> encountered a problem with the landing lights. I don't go through
> the starting up procedure, I just start the sim with all engines
> running, or use auto start. All to their own! :-)
>
> Landing at night, I just could not get the LANDING lights to work,
> no matter what I tried. Eventually, I sorted the problem out by
> going into the 'start up procedure' and turning the generator(s) on.
> Now, you would think that by starting the sim with all engines
> running, the generators would have been switched on and the landing
> lights would work. Perhaps that's a bug as well, I just don't know.
> JFYI.
>
> Glad to hear you got your problem sorted.
I've seen many times where you start the sim with the default C172 and
then load your preferred aircraft, certain systems on the new
aircraft aren't configured properly. Mainly for the more complex
addons (never had it happen going from the C172 to other defaults).
For example on the Duke, it seems to load with the fuel tank
selectors set to "off". The engines are running, but if you try
to configure the selectors, the sim "wakes up" to the fact they are
closed and you get an immediate shut down.
scott s.
.
MikeW
> I've seen many times where you start the sim with the default C172 and
> then load your preferred aircraft, certain systems on the new
> aircraft aren't configured properly. Mainly for the more complex
> addons (never had it happen going from the C172 to other defaults).
>
> For example on the Duke, it seems to load with the fuel tank
> selectors set to "off". The engines are running, but if you try
> to configure the selectors, the sim "wakes up" to the fact they are
> closed and you get an immediate shut down.
>
> scott s.
Hmm, interesting. That's similar to the problem I had with the landing
lights. I could switch the landing light switches to on (in the aircraft)
but immediately the 'sim' would switch them back off.
As a matter of interest, how did you overcome your problem?
scott s.
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> scott s. wrote:
>
>> I've seen many times where you start the sim with the default C172
>> and then load your preferred aircraft, certain systems on the new
>> aircraft aren't configured properly. Mainly for the more complex
>> addons (never had it happen going from the C172 to other defaults).
>>
>> For example on the Duke, it seems to load with the fuel tank
>> selectors set to "off". The engines are running, but if you try
>> to configure the selectors, the sim "wakes up" to the fact they are
>> closed and you get an immediate shut down.
>>
>> scott s.
>
>
> Hmm, interesting. That's similar to the problem I had with the
> landing lights. I could switch the landing light switches to on (in
> the aircraft) but immediately the 'sim' would switch them back off.
>
> As a matter of interest, how did you overcome your problem?
Just restart the engines after configuring. In some cases I think
you can load a flight using that particular aircraft saved in the
configuration you want, but some of the super complex ones like
PMDG have to have their own "panel state" save routines, just saving
the flight isn't enough.
One thing I never solved, is on the LvlD763. Somehow I hit a key
that causes the LvlD sounds to silence. I hit Q and they are back, but
all the other sim sounds are off. Hit Q again and it's back the other
way. Had to kill my flight and reload the LvLD to get the sound
synced again.
scott s.
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MartinS@ms
power, because the red warning lights in the bottom left hand corner
of the upper SO panel show AC is off.
A further glitch is that until the engines start up, I don't get any
NAV or beacon lights, though oddly I can get landing lights on OK!
Well, expect perfection (from anything) and you're setting yourself up
for disappointment I suppose. Overall, I am more than happy with the
707, 727 & the wonderful C-130 (not that I fly 'military' a/c very
often) that I got from Captain Sim during their 24 hour sale.
Bargains, I'd say. (I feel for those like MikeW who paid full price
recently!! I was lucky to see the post here about the sale, just 3
hours before it ended. Already have excellent payware 757s & 767s, or
I might have snapped them up too!).
Martin S.
(Hampshire, UK)
MartinS@ms
was actually for the Captain Sim 707, not the C-130.
Whilst on the 707, I also cannot save flights with the fuel cutoff
switches in the 'off' position - and new flights with the 707 start
with the fuel cutoffs already in run position. Anyone else have this?
(Maybe I should start a new post??)
Martin S.
(Hampshire, UK)
MikeW
>> As a matter of interest, how did you overcome your problem?
>
> Just restart the engines after configuring. In some cases I think
> you can load a flight using that particular aircraft saved in the
> configuration you want, but some of the super complex ones like
> PMDG have to have their own "panel state" save routines, just saving
> the flight isn't enough.
>
> One thing I never solved, is on the LvlD763. Somehow I hit a key
> that causes the LvlD sounds to silence. I hit Q and they are back,
> but all the other sim sounds are off. Hit Q again and it's back the
> other way. Had to kill my flight and reload the LvLD to get the sound
> synced again.
>
> scott s.
> .
Bloody computers! :-)
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MikeW
Shrewsbury, UK
Never fly the 'A' model of anything.
MikeW
> Bargains, I'd say. (I feel for those like MikeW who paid full price
> recently!! I was lucky to see the post here about the sale, just 3
> hours before it ended.
> Martin S.
>
Just to rub salt into the wounds. The only notification (e-mail) I had off
them recently was for price reductions on their TRAIN sims. Knowing my luck,
had I taken up their offer, the bloody lights wouldn't have worked on that
either. :-)
If Dolly Parton was to give birth to triplets, you can guarantee I would be
the one in the middle!!! :-)
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MikeW
Shrewsbury, UK
A pilot who doesn't have any fear probably isn't flying his plane to its
maximum.
John Ward
"If Dolly Parton was to give birth to triplets, you can guarantee I
would be the one in the middle!!! :-)".
ROTFL - corker, mate! :-))
Now THAT would be hard to top for a bad luck story......
Regards,
John Ward
"MikeW" <Mi...@spammenot.con> wrote in message
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ribitt
>
> Have a look at Mad Mike's video on start up procedures for the C-130.
>
> http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id1127294184.html
>
> Me.....I just press Auto start. :-)
> --
> MikeW
I forwarded the video on to my son-in-law, who is not a flight simmer
but he has about 3000 hours in the left seat of a C-130 with the
Canadian military. He replied as follows.
"he knew his stuff pretty well except for the part about the bleed
air. The reason it’s called bleed air is that the hot, pressurized air
is bled off the compressors of the engines. Bleed air supplies the
Bleed Air Manifold which provides air to the starters for each of the
engines as well as the air conditioner packages."
Me? I use auto-start too.
Ribitt
MartinS@ms
same stuff on a stall near the shop for half the money. Oh well, I
just say to myself that this time next year I won't notice the
difference! Galling though, isn't it, all the same? :-)
Martin S.
(Hampshire, UK)
MikeW
Thanks for that, I hope the other guys that go thought the 'correct' start
up procedures pick up on your post.
--
MikeW
Shrewsbury, UK
If an airplane is still in one piece, don't cheat on it. Ride the bastard
down.
MikeW
> Hi Mike W,
>
> "If Dolly Parton was to give birth to triplets, you can guarantee I
> would be the one in the middle!!! :-)".
>
> ROTFL - corker, mate! :-))
>
> Now THAT would be hard to top for a bad luck story......
>
:-)
--
MikeW
Shrewsbury, UK
It's better to break ground and head into the wind than to break wind and
head into the ground.
MartinS@ms
system until at least one engine is running and its generator is
switched on (unless, of course, I connect to external power). No way
can I get AC from the battery+APU (GTC/ATM), which is not how it
should be.
I guess the modelling is wrong, so I suppose I'll just have to be a
brave lad and live with it!
Martin S.
(Hampshire, UK)
Scet
"Danny" <drm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> After starting the GTC, are you able to start the engines? Watching the
> video, you see Mike start all four engines. Then he switches on each
> engine's generator from whence commeth the electric power. These are the
> four switches with the Yellow stripes. Each switch if first turned LEFT to
> RESET it. It will return to the OFF position automatically. You then
> switch it straight up to the ON position.
>
> He then turns OFF the fifth knob on the far right of that same row with
> the Yellow stripe, ATM Generator. He kills the GTC since you should now be
> getting your power from the engine generators.
>
> Danny
>
>
>
> <MartinS@MS> wrote in message
>> Hi. I only just got this (Legendary C-130 for FS9), but I can't get
>> past electrics startup!
>>
>> How do I get the AC Bus online if I do not first connect to External
>> (ground) AC power first? External power isn't always available after
>> all? (With ground power connected things are OK, but there must be an
>> option without external power, surely).
>>
>> According to the maula there's an 'AC Bus Tie Switch' on the Upper
>> overhead panel - but I don't have one, just a DC switch. The contents
>> says something about the AC switch being there for "Aircraft 163022
>> and up", but what does that mean??
>>
>> I get the GTC running fine, BTW. But then?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Martin S.
>>
>> (Hampshire, UK)
The generators don't need to be reset if they haven't been online. If they
need to be reset in the sim before they allow power through, then they
haven't been modelled correctly. They are reset when they have an over
voltage indication. Going to reset relaxes a sensing relay allowing power
through. If the generator continues to work fine, then it had a transient
over voltage and can still be left online.
Scet
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