FSGenesis - Justin's US National Landclass Project
John Ward
I've just finished installing Ground Environment X USA, Canada& Alaska,
Ground Environment X Europe, Ultimate Terrain X Canada, Ultimate Terrain X,
USA, and Ultimate Terrain X Europe.
So now, I'm a little confused as to whether or not I should now install
Justin's USA National Landclass Project, or not???
Do I still need it, to tell FSX WHERE to use the various textures from
those other programs??
BTW, this is at the end of a nice, clean, fresh install of FSX, and I
thought I'd been really conservative this time, only installing the really
essential stuff...
I nearly fell off my chair when I casually left-clicked on my FSX folder
in Windows Explorer, and found it was ~ 78 GB!!
STREWTH!
Just out of curiosity, how large are everybody's FSX folders??
I suppose Downloader Bob will have the biggest one by far, but hey,
we're all used to that by now! :-))
Regards,
John Ward
Danny
what will tell FS10 where to put towns, cities and urban areas, industrial
areas, etc. There is nothing you need to do to assist with that, if I
understand your query. The default sim and those other add-ons, do not
necessarily provide the correct placement of the landclass, either. I
certainly suggest you install the LC project from FSG.
Danny
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John Ward
O.K. - that's good enough for me, mate.
Thanks.
Regards,
John Ward
"Danny" <drm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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boB-Copter6
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I nearly fell off my chair when I casually left-clicked on my FSX
> folder in Windows Explorer, and found it was ~ 78 GB!!
>
> STREWTH!
>
> Just out of curiosity, how large are everybody's FSX folders??
>
> I suppose Downloader Bob will have the biggest one by far, but hey,
> we're all used to that by now! :-))
>
> Regards,
> John Ward
Nope,,,, Mine is 27GB You've been holding out..... I bet you are a
"closet" downloader.
admit it..... :)
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boB-Copter6
> My FS10 folder if 54.3 gig, John. The landclassification from FSGenesis
> is what will tell FS10 where to put towns, cities and urban areas,
> industrial areas, etc. There is nothing you need to do to assist with
> that, if I understand your query. The default sim and those other
> add-ons, do not necessarily provide the correct placement of the
> landclass, either. I certainly suggest you install the LC project from FSG.
> Danny
>
>
Hey Danny, I had to un-install the FSGenesis landclass. For low
altitude VFR flying it is not any more realistic than the FSX Default.
I flew (sim) in a lot of places that I flew IRL (New England to
California) and it doesn't match up. Just a note. Maybe it's me. :)
John Ward
Nope, not me, mate - I've never even downloaded a single closet! :-))
Hmmmmm - I do have ALL the Orbx FTX AU products installed, firstly
because its just brilliant stuff, just like VOZ Vista Australis was for FS9,
and secondly, because it gives me the best possible scenery coverage of my
country. Maybe that amounts to quite a few GB, although I must admit I'm
surprised - I thought you'd have the biggest total by a country mile, mate!!
:-))
What's up - has your download link been playing up, or something???
:-)))
Regards,
John Ward
"boB-Copter6" <cop...@xxxyahooxxx.vom> wrote in message
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Slap
>
> I've just finished installing Ground Environment X USA, Canada& Alaska,
> Ground Environment X Europe, Ultimate Terrain X Canada, Ultimate Terrain
> X, USA, and Ultimate Terrain X Europe.
>
> So now, I'm a little confused as to whether or not I should now install
> Justin's USA National Landclass Project, or not???
>
Probably. It will put the forest where it belongs type of thing. You want
to put it in the right place in the Scenery Library tho.
UTX... you have it and it will do a far better and more accurate job of the
larger cities, etc. There might be a readme with the landclass or the UTX
files that tell you where to put it in the scenery library but in general
you want to sandwich it between the UTX landclass like so...
UT LANDCLASS - Urban
LANDCLASS X <-------------- Place all landclass products between the UTX
Urban and Vegetation layers and enable
UT LANDCLASS - Vegetation
The above is taken from a post by nickN... "Landclass and how it effects
what you see". That post is here...
http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=24965
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dave
John Ward
Interesting, mate - I went to the Scenery Library to check on the order
of things, and couldn't find an entry for it.
So, I started the installation again, and read a bit more closely this
time, at each stage.
What it does is simply install a single, easily identifiable .bgl file
into Addon Scenery\Scenery. So that's why there's no individual entry for it
in the Scenery Library list, and, as long as Addon Scenery is in the right
place on the list, according to the requirements of anything else you may
install/have installed, there's nothing to do, nothing to worry about, and
nothing else to do.
Typical of Justin (FSGenesis) - absolutely first class!!!
I should have known...
Thanks for your help though anyway, mate.
Regards,
John Ward
"Slap" <sl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Don
Dang I must be a woos, mine is only 26.1 gb.
Feeling a little deprived here...
:)
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Don
Slap
> Hi Slap,
>
> Interesting, mate - I went to the Scenery Library to check on the order
> of things, and couldn't find an entry for it.
>
> So, I started the installation again, and read a bit more closely this
> time, at each stage.
>
> What it does is simply install a single, easily identifiable .bgl file
> into Addon Scenery\Scenery. So that's why there's no individual entry for
> it in the Scenery Library list, and, as long as Addon Scenery is in the
> right place on the list, according to the requirements of anything else
> you may install/have installed, there's nothing to do, nothing to worry
> about, and nothing else to do.
>
> Typical of Justin (FSGenesis) - absolutely first class!!!
>
> I should have known...
>
> Thanks for your help though anyway, mate.
>
product for Canada so I'm not all that bubbly about him... anyway his
installer should not be adding it into the add-on folder... but if that's
what it does then so be it. I'm not sure what his landclass adds as I don't
have it but lets say FSX forgot half of my city. They actually did, -
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.. nothing much on the south side of the river.
A landclass product will often do it's own things and add cities, towns,
etc. so when I add a landclass product for Canada (Cloud 9 I use) it will
correct that and give me a full city. Slap down a bunch of houses, etc.
Looks much better but...
The UTX products go several thousand steps further. They do 100,000 +
population cities by hand and will say put a university area landclass where
the city has a university. A industrial area where a city has one,
graveyards, parking lots, rail yards. UTX has quite a few custom landclass
objects for larger cities. From a couple of thousand feet my city looks
like it should... industrial in the east and west, high density housing in
the south, etc. Best product there is for FSX in my book.
I hope you are still with me. I'll assume the Addon scenery folder is at
the top of the scenery library as it is in most cases. Might not be in your
case... perhaps UTX is sitting above it? That might work but lets say Addon
is above the UTX entries.
FSX loads the scenery starting at the bottom of the list. When it loads UTX
Urban you have some fine city landscapes and the cities are sized quite
accurately. If you have stock FSX buildings (my city has 5 or 6 downtown)
and they are placed incorrectly (one was) than UTX will put them in there
proper place.
If your addon scenery is above UTX stuff... and Justin has his landclass
there then it will over right the UTX city and trust me he is not close to
what the UTX people have done. Cloud 9 for sure doesn't even remotely come
close.
So you have lost the UTX stuff. Justin should address this if a person has
UTX products... I'll be right back... going to his site... OK here is a
link where he comments on this...
http://www.fsgenesis.net/forum/index.php/topic,96.0.html
His reply (he thinks... actually he knows) everything is fine as long as
it's below the UTX entries.
I like to keep my addon folder at the top and I put stuff I fiddle with
there and pretty much all other stuff I make a folder for it and add it
separately, so I can enable/disable at will.
Anyway if your addon folder is below UTX in the scenery library you are OK.
If it is above the UTX entry you are missing most of what UTX has to offer.
UTX addresses this stuff. Go to one of their manuals and look up "Using
Other Landclass Products". Have a read.
--
dave
Gregory
the following to our attention:
>My FS10 folder if 54.3 gig, John.
>
>Danny
My FSX is spread across 3 HDs with the main installation on E:\ drive.
C:\ 3.8 GB (FSX mesh)
D:\ 17.4 GB (FSX mesh)
E:\ 53.9 GB (FSX installation)
total 75.1 GB
Each of the three drives is a 15k RPM, 73 GB Seagate Cheetah. It
sounds really HOT but they aren't that fast actually. I'll be migrating
FSX over to a 500 GB Western Digital SATA drive which is now the
bulk F:\ drive.. probably before the end of the year. THAT drive will
be a nice BIG fast HD. Two 1 TB drives (on removable caddies and synced)
will be added in the front bays to hold BULK data.
So... an 80 GB drive is TOO SMALL for FSX!!
-G
>"John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
>
>> Hi All,
Vic Baron
"John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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Good choices John - I have the same and it's awesome. The FSG landclass puts
the icing on the cake.
HOWEVER - with UTX you have to create a "sandwich" in the scenery folder to
allow UTX and FSG landclass to work properly.
Follow the guidelines:
http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=25050
Enjoy!
rob
> Hi All,
> .................................................................
> I nearly fell off my chair when I casually left-clicked on my FSX folder
> in Windows Explorer, and found it was ~ 78 GB!!
>
> STREWTH!
>
> Just out of curiosity, how large are everybody's FSX folders??
>
> I suppose Downloader Bob will have the biggest one by far, but hey,
> we're all used to that by now! :-))
>
> Regards,
> John Ward
97.8
John Ward
"...total 75.1 GB...".
Close, but no cigar, mate! :-))
Regards,
John Ward
"Gregory" <flights...@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
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John Ward
Woos! :-))
Regards,
John Ward
"Don" <burnette...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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John Ward
Strewth - we have a winner!
Now come on, be honest, do you REALLY need all of that stuff, mate??
:-))
I said be honest! :-))
Regards,
John Ward
"rob" <rw...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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Gregory
brought the following to our attention:
>Hi Gregory,
>
> "...total 75.1 GB...".
>
> Close, but no cigar, mate! :-))
>
>Regards,
>John Ward
Let's talk about drive cloning. Should I start a new topic?
Figuring on changing over drives any time between this week
(Thanksgiving) and Xmas. What will it take to copy the whole
F:\ drive with FSX onto a new physical drive.. seamlessly?
Then I'll have you beat!!!!
-G
John Ward
"...Then I'll have you beat!!!!".
Then I'm not going to give you the answer, mate!!!! :-))
Regards,
John Ward
"Gregory" <flights...@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
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John Ward
On my setup, Addon Scenery is below all the UTX entries, so that's O.K.,
but, reading your reply, and Vic Baron's, I'm reluctant to mess around with
the location of my Addon Scenery folder, as its important re the various
Orbx FTX Au, OZx, and Ants Aussie Airfields stuff...
So I think I'll create a new Addon Scenery\FSG US National Landclass
sub-folder, and put the .bgl file in a Scenery sub-folder there, and then
manually add that area in between the two areas you and Vic mentioned.
When adding landclass in that manner, do I also need to create an empty,
dummy, Textures sub-folder under the new FSG US National Landclass folder?
FSX\Addon Scenery\FSG US National Landclass\Scenery
\Textures
Regards,
John Ward
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John Ward
Thanks for that - see also my reply to Slap.
Any problems with doing it that way, mate?
Regards,
John Ward
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Slap
> Hi Slap,
>
> On my setup, Addon Scenery is below all the UTX entries, so that's
> O.K., but, reading your reply, and Vic Baron's, I'm reluctant to mess
> around with the location of my Addon Scenery folder, as its important re
> the various Orbx FTX Au, OZx, and Ants Aussie Airfields stuff...
>
> So I think I'll create a new Addon Scenery\FSG US National Landclass
> sub-folder, and put the .bgl file in a Scenery sub-folder there, and then
> manually add that area in between the two areas you and Vic mentioned.
>
> When adding landclass in that manner, do I also need to create an
> empty, dummy, Textures sub-folder under the new FSG US National Landclass
> folder?
>
> FSX\Addon Scenery\FSG US National Landclass\Scenery
>
> \Textures
>
That's exactly what I do John... I didn't want to mention that (info
overload) in case your mind couldn't handle it all at once :-)).
You don't need a texture directory.
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dave
Vic Baron
As long as it is between the proper UTX entries it's fine, John.
"John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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Vic Baron
The Scenery mesh files will get put in the right place by Justin's
installer. They do not go into the add-on scenery folder.
Vic
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John Ward
"... I didn't want to mention that (info overload) in case your mind
couldn't handle it all at once :-)).".
What makes you think it CAN, mate! :-))
Thanks - I'll do that then, remembering to click in the "white" area to
actually make it appear in the list, and then move it up or down...
Thanks for the folder info' - I couldn't remember which types of files
require the empty, dummy, Textures sub-folder, and which don't.
Regards,
John Ward
"Slap" <sl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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ManhattanMan
> Thanks - I'll do that then, remembering to click in the "white" area
> to actually make it appear in the list, and then move it up or down...
>
If it's not confusing enough, just throw in the idiot way M/S has for
entering new scenery. It's enough to drive one to drink, in the express
lane! BTW - after inhaling the info given so far, and other things,
I've also gone the route of a separate FSG landclass entry. My wimpy
FSX only totals 40GB, but I'm still waiting on UT, and have only started
on addon scenery, being a late entry into the FSX arena.....
ManhattanMan
> FSX only totals 40GB, but I'm still waiting on UT, and have only started
> on addon scenery, being a late entry into the FSX arena.....
Correction, still waiting on GE-X. I ordered the cd version from
fspilotshop before I had the new PC, 5 weeks ago, and am still waiting
for delivery. Unfu****g believable............
boB-Copter6
> Hi Downloader,
>
> Nope, not me, mate - I've never even downloaded a single closet! :-))
>
>
>
> :-)))
>
> Regards,
> John Ward
>
>
Actually, you didn't ask how large my FSX download folder is. :) I'm
waiting to install everything. I back up but it seems me and backups
haven't had much luck together so usually I end up re-installing
everything again.
boB-Copter6
> Anyway if your addon folder is below UTX in the scenery library you are
> OK. If it is above the UTX entry you are missing most of what UTX has to
> offer.
>
> UTX addresses this stuff. Go to one of their manuals and look up "Using
> Other Landclass Products". Have a read.
>
> --
> dave
>
>
Awww man .... Now I'm going to have to buy UTX.... And I was doing so
good. :)
John Ward
AAA AAAHA!
I knew there had to be a logical explanation, mate!!
I'll order another cigar, and keep it in reserve, then. :-))
Might have to get your postal address from you once you've re-installed
everything, mate! :-))
Regards,
John Ward
"boB-Copter6" <cop...@xxxyahooxxx.vom> wrote in message
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boB-Copter6
> Hi Downloader,
>
>
> I knew there had to be a logical explanation, mate!!
>
> I'll order another cigar, and keep it in reserve, then. :-))
>
> Might have to get your postal address from you once you've
> re-installed everything, mate! :-))
>
> Regards,
> John Ward
>
>
It looks to be a daunting task. So many aircraft that I have no
friggin" idea why I downloaded them. There was this French WWI Bomber
that I landed on a little strip in West Virginia and when applying too
much brake, it nosed over into the Lawn Dart mode. Nothing I could do
would rock it back onto it's main gear. It's still sitting there I bet.
John Ward
Sounds like you need to download a Bulldozer then, mate. :-))
Regards,
John Ward
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John Ward
"...My wimpy FSX only totals 40 GB,...".
Pretty wimpy, so far, mate!
Uh oh - gotta go, right now!! :-))
Regards,
John Ward
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John Ward
Email them, and give them a kick in the ar aaah, Customer Service
area, mate!! :-))
Regards,
John Ward
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Slap
> oh - and to clarify a bit - this is the LANDCLASS files.
>
> The Scenery mesh files will get put in the right place by Justin's
> installer. They do not go into the add-on scenery folder.
>
But they should...
I'll research and find the link somewhere on how to do it. Something to do
with some fancy Alaska scenery that has it's own mesh... misty something? I
think I saved a link somewhere. Perhaps a Google on the 'best way to
install Justin's mesh' will find it.
--
dave
Slap
"boB-Copter6" <cop...@xxxyahooxxx.vom> wrote in message
> Slap wrote:
>
>> Anyway if your addon folder is below UTX in the scenery library you are
>> OK. If it is above the UTX entry you are missing most of what UTX has to
>> offer.
>>
>> UTX addresses this stuff. Go to one of their manuals and look up "Using
>> Other Landclass Products". Have a read.
>
>
> good. :)
>
You don't have UTX???? And you fly a helicopter?? My mouth is hanging open
in shock.
Go get it, - here is the USA page...
http://www.scenerysolutions.com/ut_fsx_usa.html
click on the 'order now'
Then get the updates...
http://www.scenerysolutions.com/ut_downloads_FSX.html
Install them one at a time reading the instructions for each.
Ask any questions here or at their forum...
http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_topics.asp?FID=19
For you especially, you will not believe the difference. Every road,
river, stream, lake, town, -shoot you can fly a country road to the old
ranch as you would drive a car... all deadly accurate (they use GPS data).
The best few bucks you will spend boB. VFR at it's best.
--
dave
Gregory
following to our attention:
Wow.. I purchased UTX USA a long time ago and didn't pay much
attention to the details, as there was so much else going on. Recall
a reply to Dudley showing the Legion Bridge and D.C. Beltway
produced by UTX, and I-80 through the mountains in Pennsylvania.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/8874983
It's time to examine where UTX layers are installed in relation to FSG
land class. UTX was a nice upgrade by I was disappointed by how the
roads were laid on the terrain like stripes.
-G
>"John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
>
Slap
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:14:43 -0700, "Slap" <sl...@gmail.com> brought the
> following to our attention:
>
> Wow.. I purchased UTX USA a long time ago and didn't pay much
> attention to the details, as there was so much else going on. Recall
> a reply to Dudley showing the Legion Bridge and D.C. Beltway
> produced by UTX, and I-80 through the mountains in Pennsylvania.
>
> http://www.panoramio.com/photo/8874983
>
> It's time to examine where UTX layers are installed in relation to FSG
> land class. UTX was a nice upgrade by I was disappointed by how the
> roads were laid on the terrain like stripes.
>
Well the roads are deadly accurate in UTX. They are where they are in the
real world. For example you can take a photo shot from Google Earth and
place it FSX (SBuilderX) and the roads will line up.
With that said the roads are put on top of the FSX canvas terrain... which
have fake roads painted on them so the flight sim looks pretty good out of
the box.
The people at Scenery Solutions (UTX folks) are trying to fix this up
starting with their Alaska Product. Have a look at this thread to see some
pics....
http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=31776
If they pull this off, and it looks like they are going to, we have a lot to
look forward to in an addon for FSX. It really will be 'as real as it
gets'.
--
dave
Gregory
following to our attention:
>
>"John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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>> Hi Slap,
>>
>> Interesting, mate - I went to the Scenery Library to check on the order
>> of things, and couldn't find an entry for it.
>>
>> So, I started the installation again, and read a bit more closely this
>> time, at each stage.
>>
>> What it does is simply install a single, easily identifiable .bgl file
>> into Addon Scenery\Scenery. So that's why there's no individual entry for
>> it in the Scenery Library list, and, as long as Addon Scenery is in the
>> right place on the list, according to the requirements of anything else
>> you may install/have installed, there's nothing to do, nothing to worry
>> about, and nothing else to do.
>>
>> Typical of Justin (FSGenesis) - absolutely first class!!!
>>
>> I should have known...
>>
>> Thanks for your help though anyway, mate.
>>
>Well I've been waiting a year or so for a promised update to his mesh
>product for Canada so I'm not all that bubbly about him... anyway his
>installer should not be adding it into the add-on folder... but if that's
>what it does then so be it. I'm not sure what his landclass adds as I don't
>have it but lets say FSX forgot half of my city. They actually did, -
>Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.. nothing much on the south side of the river.
Yep.. FSG Mesh for the FSX DVD bundle has:
USA East Mesh V2
USA Plains Mesh V2
USA Rockies Mesh V2
USA West Mesh V2
Canada Mesh V1
Alaska-Hawaii Mesh V1
Mexico Mesh V2
World Terrain Mesh V1
I seem to recall reading about V2 updates for Canada and Alaska. Buffer
mesh wouldn't seem as important.
>A landclass product will often do it's own things and add cities, towns,
>etc. so when I add a landclass product for Canada (Cloud 9 I use) it will
>correct that and give me a full city. Slap down a bunch of houses, etc.
>Looks much better but...
>
>The UTX products go several thousand steps further. They do 100,000 +
>population cities by hand and will say put a university area landclass where
>the city has a university. A industrial area where a city has one,
>graveyards, parking lots, rail yards. UTX has quite a few custom landclass
>objects for larger cities. From a couple of thousand feet my city looks
>like it should... industrial in the east and west, high density housing in
>the south, etc. Best product there is for FSX in my book.
>
>I hope you are still with me. I'll assume the Addon scenery folder is at
>the top of the scenery library as it is in most cases. Might not be in your
>case... perhaps UTX is sitting above it? That might work but lets say Addon
>is above the UTX entries.
My Scenery Library was out of order as for UTX stuff. The whole list
needed a good review and editing. Also I'm moving a few other BGLs
to their own folders.
Generally here is the structure that I use:
\Flight Simulator X
\Scene
\Land class
\Mesh
\Scenery
>FSX loads the scenery starting at the bottom of the list. When it loads UTX
>Urban you have some fine city landscapes and the cities are sized quite
>accurately. If you have stock FSX buildings (my city has 5 or 6 downtown)
>and they are placed incorrectly (one was) than UTX will put them in there
>proper place.
>
>If your addon scenery is above UTX stuff... and Justin has his landclass
>there then it will over right the UTX city and trust me he is not close to
>what the UTX people have done. Cloud 9 for sure doesn't even remotely come
>close.
>
>So you have lost the UTX stuff. Justin should address this if a person has
>UTX products... I'll be right back... going to his site... OK here is a
>link where he comments on this...
>http://www.fsgenesis.net/forum/index.php/topic,96.0.html
>
>His reply (he thinks... actually he knows) everything is fine as long as
>it's below the UTX entries.
>
>I like to keep my addon folder at the top and I put stuff I fiddle with
>there and pretty much all other stuff I make a folder for it and add it
>separately, so I can enable/disable at will.
Definitely a good idea!
>Anyway if your addon folder is below UTX in the scenery library you are OK.
>If it is above the UTX entry you are missing most of what UTX has to offer.
Do you have a `New FSX Library Objects� entry in the Scenery Library
stack? Where is it located relative to UTX?
-G
Slap
>
> Do you have a `New FSX Library Objects� entry in the Scenery Library
> stack? Where is it located relative to UTX?
>
I don't have that. Must be some other scenery you have. Maybe someone
else.
--
dave
John Ward
Gregory's added.
I suppose one way to try and trace what program or addon scenery put that
Folder there would be to go to that Folder, in Windows Explorer, and see if
the name/s of any files within the Folder happen to give any clues as to
where they came from....
I'm sure there must be better ways than that, though...
JW
"Don" <burnette...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4b0b4246$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I've just finished installing Ground Environment X USA, Canada&
>> Alaska, Ground Environment X Europe, Ultimate Terrain X Canada, Ultimate
>> Terrain X, USA, and Ultimate Terrain X Europe.
>>
>> So now, I'm a little confused as to whether or not I should now
>> install Justin's USA National Landclass Project, or not???
>>
>> Do I still need it, to tell FSX WHERE to use the various textures from
>> those other programs??
>>
>> BTW, this is at the end of a nice, clean, fresh install of FSX, and I
>> thought I'd been really conservative this time, only installing the
>> really essential stuff...
>>
>> I nearly fell off my chair when I casually left-clicked on my FSX
>> folder in Windows Explorer, and found it was ~ 78 GB!!
>>
>> STREWTH!
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, how large are everybody's FSX folders??
>>
>> I suppose Downloader Bob will have the biggest one by far, but hey,
>> we're all used to that by now! :-))
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ward
>
>
boB-Copter6
>
>> A landclass product will often do it's own things and add cities, towns,
>> etc. so when I add a landclass product for Canada (Cloud 9 I use) it will
>> correct that and give me a full city. Slap down a bunch of houses, etc.
>> Looks much better but...
>>
>> The UTX products go several thousand steps further. They do 100,000 +
>> population cities by hand and will say put a university area landclass where
>> the city has a university. A industrial area where a city has one,
>> graveyards, parking lots, rail yards. UTX has quite a few custom landclass
>> objects for larger cities. From a couple of thousand feet my city looks
>> like it should... industrial in the east and west, high density housing in
>> the south, etc. Best product there is for FSX in my book.
>>
I bought the UTX and installed it. It added my county Road ok so I can
see where my house should be, but I can no longer navigate between
Killeen (KGRK) and Lampasas (T28). Things are all screwed up and to
top it off my FSX is now a slide show if I want to use more than one
monitor.
I'll look at it fresh tomorrow but for right now, the places I fly, it's
barely worth the $35.00. I say barely because I assume they put a lot
of work into UTX. But I don't fly over many 100,000 plus populated
cities. That could be it.
I assume I have to move my sliders left to get a smooth flying simulator
again. I can't find a place to adjust UTX yet, maybe that will help.
Good-night all.
Core2 duo 6600
GTS8800/640 card
2 gig Ram
Slap
"boB-Copter6" <cop...@xxxyahooxxx.vom> wrote in message
>
> I bought the UTX and installed it. It added my county Road ok so I can
> see where my house should be, but I can no longer navigate between Killeen
> (KGRK) and Lampasas (T28). Things are all screwed up and to top it off
> my FSX is now a slide show if I want to use more than one monitor.
>
> I'll look at it fresh tomorrow but for right now, the places I fly, it's
> barely worth the $35.00. I say barely because I assume they put a lot of
> work into UTX. But I don't fly over many 100,000 plus populated cities.
> That could be it.
>
> I assume I have to move my sliders left to get a smooth flying simulator
> again. I can't find a place to adjust UTX yet, maybe that will help.
>
Well if push comes to shove you did buy it from Flight 1. They have a 30
day refund policy. You can get your money back no problem.
UTX does have an extensive setup utility that displays a graph on what the
frame rate hit might be with various settings, - and there are many.
Hit Start button then -flight 1 software-ultimate terrain-setup tool.
In the right part of the window you will see a list, click on the '+' to
open up the menu and then click on each individual item to enable or disable
it. A little graph will come up showing you the impact on frame rates.
I'm not sure why you are getting such a hit... flying around the country
area and all. I think road traffic is the worst as UTX adds traffic to all
the roads. You have a major hi-way near by?
Now why can't you navigate between two places? It should be easier... say
if there is a town or stream between them in real life a good chance FSX
doesn't have it but UTX will.
One thing I don't like about UTX out of the box is that it puts 'painted'
cars on the roads... a thing from the past versions and not needed as FSX
has moving traffic. You can turn that part off if you wish using the setup
tool. You would click on 'Ultimate Terrain' in the menu bar then select
'change road surface colors' and uncheck the last col. (add auto imprint) to
all the road types listed.
Anyway play with it for a week or two... if it doesn't work for you then go
for a refund.
John Ward
Yeah, something's wrong, Bob, and it isn't UTX!
Have you installed any Patches -it/they exist!
Any chance of a screenshot/s of the order of things in your FSX Scenery
Library?
You did download, and install, the USA, not the Canada, or Europe,
didn't you?
Of course you did!
You downloaded them all!! :-))
Regards,
John Ward
"Slap" <sl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Gregory
following to our attention:
>
>> following to our attention:
>>
>> Wow.. I purchased UTX USA a long time ago and didn't pay much
>> attention to the details, as there was so much else going on. Recall
>> a reply to Dudley showing the Legion Bridge and D.C. Beltway
>> produced by UTX, and I-80 through the mountains in Pennsylvania.
>>
>> http://www.panoramio.com/photo/8874983
>>
>> It's time to examine where UTX layers are installed in relation to FSG
>> land class. UTX was a nice upgrade by I was disappointed by how the
>> roads were laid on the terrain like stripes.
>
>Well the roads are deadly accurate in UTX. They are where they are in the
>real world. For example you can take a photo shot from Google Earth and
>place it FSX (SBuilderX) and the roads will line up.
>
>With that said the roads are put on top of the FSX canvas terrain... which
>have fake roads painted on them so the flight sim looks pretty good out of
>the box.
Lately I've been doing runs from Medford (Rogue Valley) Oregon up to
Portland (Hillsboro).. and after rearranging the Scenery Layers, can now
see how the UTX land class sets (or sits) on top of the FSGenesis
terrain covering. It looked great!! FSX is a fabulous piece of software
and should keep me busy, having much enjoyment for YEARS!!
BTW... where would you place photo-real scenery layers? On top layes?
Also.. I've moved all of the FSG Mesh to the LOWEST part of the stack.
If the user has FSG world buffer mesh, can the default world mesh file
be disabled?
-G
Gregory
following to our attention:
>
>"boB-Copter6" <cop...@xxxyahooxxx.vom> wrote in message
>
>> see where my house should be, but I can no longer navigate between Killeen
>> (KGRK) and Lampasas (T28). Things are all screwed up and to top it off
>> my FSX is now a slide show if I want to use more than one monitor.
>
>frame rate hit might be with various settings, - and there are many.
>
>Hit Start button then -flight 1 software-ultimate terrain-setup tool.
Well.. my hardware is challenged by FSX standards but it's running quite
well with UTX and ASA. Not sure how you are getting a `slide show.� It
will take some tweaking to get things optimized for the type of flying
you do. Everything is a tradeoff!!
Main issue here (besides loading vs framerate) is the CDD (cloud draw
distance), visibility and altitude issue.
-G
Gregory
brought the following to our attention:
>John Ward wrote:
>> Thanks - I'll do that then
>
>If it's not confusing enough, just throw in the idiot way M/S has for
>entering new scenery. It's enough to drive one to drink, in the express
>lane! BTW - after inhaling the info given so far, and other things,
>I've also gone the route of a separate FSG landclass entry. My wimpy
>FSX only totals 40GB, but I'm still waiting on UT, and have only started
>on addon scenery, being a late entry into the FSX arena.....
You're doing really well, as I've been messing with it since January..
almost a year now. Vic finally convinced me to enjoy FSX and quit
futzing around with it! There's still lots more to do.. like wiring up
a gameport to USB adapter gadget for the rudder pedals.
-G
Slap
> Portland (Hillsboro).. and after rearranging the Scenery Layers, can now
> see how the UTX land class sets (or sits) on top of the FSGenesis
> terrain covering. It looked great!! FSX is a fabulous piece of software
> and should keep me busy, having much enjoyment for YEARS!!
>
> BTW... where would you place photo-real scenery layers? On top layes?
>
I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter where the photo scenery sits in the
Scenery Library. I believe FSX handles it differently... takes all photo
scenery and puts it on top. Not positive tho.
I don't particularly like photo scenery. I typically take a shot of say a
shopping mall (SBuilderX) then using Instant Scenery (payware) I pop down a
bunch of generic buildings to make it look like a shopping mall then I turn
off the photo scenery.
--
dave
boB-Copter6
>
>
> Well if push comes to shove you did buy it from Flight 1. They have a
> 30 day refund policy. You can get your money back no problem.
>
Of course I bought it from Flight1. I don't think someone with pirated
software would complain.
> UTX does have an extensive setup utility that displays a graph on what
> the frame rate hit might be with various settings, - and there are many.
>
> Hit Start button then -flight 1 software-ultimate terrain-setup tool.
>
> In the right part of the window you will see a list, click on the '+' to
> open up the menu and then click on each individual item to enable or
> disable it. A little graph will come up showing you the impact on frame
> rates.
> >
> Anyway play with it for a week or two... if it doesn't work for you then
> go for a refund.
>
>
>
Thanka... I feel better already. I'll do some playing with the settings.
boB-Copter6
John Ward wrote:
> Hi Downloader, and Slap,
>
> Yeah, something's wrong, Bob, and it isn't UTX!
>
> Have you installed any Patches -it/they exist!
>
> Any chance of a screenshot/s of the order of things in your FSX
> Scenery Library?
>
> You did download, and install, the USA, not the Canada, or Europe,
> didn't you?
>
> Of course you did!
>
> You downloaded them all!! :-))
>
> Regards,
> John Ward
>
I didn't know about patches. The only other payware scenery I had was
BEV Vol 1 Summer Textures for FS9. It wasn't too exciting and after
one of my re-installs it was left somewhere on one of my hard drives.
Thinking about it, I may install it again..... But after I get UTX working.
One thing that happens to me is when I work on something every other day
or so I remember everything I've done. But wait a couple weeks and it's
like I'm starting all over again. I don't remember much of it.
Gregory
brought the following to our attention:
>Hi Slap,
>
> "... I didn't want to mention that (info overload) in case your mind
>couldn't handle it all at once :-)).".
>
> What makes you think it CAN, mate! :-))
>
> Thanks - I'll do that then, remembering to click in the "white" area to
>actually make it appear in the list, and then move it up or down...
>
> Thanks for the folder info' - I couldn't remember which types of files
>require the empty, dummy, Textures sub-folder, and which don't.
>
>Regards,
>John Ward
John.. the FSG land class BGL is in:
E:\Flight Simulator X\Scene\Landclass\FSGenesis US\scenery
and there's no texture folder required.
Here's a screenshot from yesterday afternoon after re-arranging the
SCENERY layers per the UTX instructions. It's looking straight out
the PA31T-II descending through 11,000 ft. Really magnificent !!!
http://home.comcast.net/~flightsim/descending_Hillsboro.jpg (232k)
-G
>"Slap" <sl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> "John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
>>
>>> Hi Slap,
>>>
>>> On my setup, Addon Scenery is below all the UTX entries, so that's
>>> O.K., but, reading your reply, and Vic Baron's, I'm reluctant to mess
>>> around with the location of my Addon Scenery folder, as its important re
>>> the various Orbx FTX Au, OZx, and Ants Aussie Airfields stuff...
>>>
>>> So I think I'll create a new Addon Scenery\FSG US National Landclass
>>> sub-folder, and put the .bgl file in a Scenery sub-folder there, and then
>>> manually add that area in between the two areas you and Vic mentioned.
>>>
>>> When adding landclass in that manner, do I also need to create an
>>> empty, dummy, Textures sub-folder under the new FSG US National Landclass
>>> folder?
>>>
>>> FSX\Addon Scenery\FSG US National Landclass\Scenery
>>>
>>> \Textures
>>>
>>
>> That's exactly what I do John... I didn't want to mention that (info
>> overload) in case your mind couldn't handle it all at once :-)).
>>
>> You don't need a texture directory.
>> --
>> dave
>
Slap
"boB-Copter6" <cop...@xxxyahooxxx.vom> wrote in message
> Slap wrote:
>>
>>
>> Well if push comes to shove you did buy it from Flight 1. They have a 30
>> day refund policy. You can get your money back no problem.
>>
>
>
>
> Of course I bought it from Flight1. I don't think someone with pirated
> software would complain.
>
I wasn't even remotely suggesting anything like that boB. I just know that
only Flight 1 sells it and that Flight 1 has a return policy. I don't think
a lot of companies have that policy with downloaded software.
Slap
"boB-Copter6" <cop...@xxxyahooxxx.vom> wrote in message
>
> I didn't know about patches.
Of course you did...
The link I gave you to purchase the product, then I gave you the link for
the patches... telling you to install one at a time and to read each patch
instructions. Then I gave you a link to their forum. All in the same
message.
More often than not the patches for UTX are user requested patches in any
case.
--
dave
Dallas
> I don't think someone with pirated software would complain.
You'd be surprised...
On the Aeroworxs forum, one guy was giving them hell about some detail
until they realized that he was talking about the pirated copy that was
going around. Some people have big stones.
--
Dallas
boB-Copter6
:) I'll go looking for that link. Sorry..... But I really don't
remember anything about patches. My Bad
Slap
"boB-Copter6" <cop...@xxxyahooxxx.vom> wrote in message
>
> :) I'll go looking for that link. Sorry..... But I really don't
> remember anything about patches. My Bad
>
I'll repost that part below. I don't think the updates will help you a
whole lot with your problem tho. More often than not they are fixes like
removing a lake and replacing it with industrial landclass. User requests
type of thing.
I asked them to complete a major ring road that my city had done. It was
just completed in real life so it was not in the GPS database they
purchased. They did it for me manually and it was in the Canada update.
Pretty good people at Scenery Solutions. Anyway the link for the UTX USA
updates...
http://www.scenerysolutions.com/ut_downloads_FSX.html
Install them one at a time reading the instructions for each.
Ask any questions here or at their forum...
http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_topics.asp?FID=19
Did you go through the setup program and maybe turn some thing down? UTX
isn't usually a large hit on frame rates but if your system slowed right
after you installed it then it must be contributing or perhaps the last
straw type of thing.
--
dave
mdavis
six updates to USA, Europe and one for Canada. I don't recall having
been notified by Flight1 or UTX people that they were available. I
guess I should go back and surf web sites for other installed add-ons as
well.
Danny
forum occasionally but rarely can tell any difference after updating.
"mdavis" <mlda...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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boB-Copter6
>
> I asked them to complete a major ring road that my city had done. It
> was just completed in real life so it was not in the GPS database they
> purchased. They did it for me manually and it was in the Canada update.
> Pretty good people at Scenery Solutions. Anyway the link for the UTX
> USA updates...
>
> http://www.scenerysolutions.com/ut_downloads_FSX.html
>
> Install them one at a time reading the instructions for each.
>
> Ask any questions here or at their forum...
> http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_topics.asp?FID=19
Thanks....
>
> Did you go through the setup program and maybe turn some thing down?
> UTX isn't usually a large hit on frame rates but if your system slowed
> right after you installed it then it must be contributing or perhaps the
> last straw type of thing.
> --
> dave
>
>
>
I am going through it and I'm not going to return the download, (How
would one do that) I'm slowly getting it together and it's getting
better. I may have been expecting too much. It has several small towns
along a stretch of lonely road that has no one there. So navigating
using small towns would not be possible. I used to follow along on the
sectional by identifying small towns along my route by how many roads
went in and out of the town and their direction. Not too many towns had
the same combination of roads around it. So that's out. I un-installed
the FSGenesis Landclass because it wasn't even close along the routes I
fly. (flew for real) But for what it has it's worth the $35.00 so I'm
happy. Thanks for the help.
--
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