AH-64 Apache Crash Afghanistan

[Dude]

AH-64 Apache helicopter crash in Sharana, Afghanistan. The pilot was
executing a maneuver known as "return to target".

http://www.break.com/index/ah-64-apache-crash-afghanistan-2311194

Cheers,
Chris

[Vic Baron]

"Dude" <chris...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> AH-64 Apache helicopter crash in Sharana, Afghanistan. The pilot was
> executing a maneuver known as "return to target".
>
> http://www.break.com/index/ah-64-apache-crash-afghanistan-2311194

Looks to me like he was hot dogging and screwed the pooch.

Vic

[ManhattanMan]

My thoughts exactly!! So much for his career, assuming he survived...

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[Ian D]

"ManhattanMan" <fly...@usa.gov> wrote in message
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The report is that no one was hurt. Those armor plated Apaches
are pretty strong, and the deep snow helped. It happened some
time in February. After the ground skid it got airborne again,
minus the tail rotor.

[Slap]

38 million bucks?

That's what the article says. I suspect the pilot has some explaining
to do.
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[Walt_M]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:55:06 -0700 (PDT), Dude <chris...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>AH-64 Apache helicopter crash in Sharana, Afghanistan. The pilot was
>executing a maneuver known as "return to target".
>
>http://www.break.com/index/ah-64-apache-crash-afghanistan-2311194

His next job will be as a bobsled driver.

Walt
* * *
Offence freely given to those who wish to take it.

[Copter_Six]

Depends on which direction the investigation turns. The maneuver is
authorized and he didn't endanger anyone. It was just a hard landing.
It's like the navy pilot that flew past the ship at high speed and the
aircraft blew up as he/she was departing. It's doubtful that pilot lost
his career afterwards. Like I said, it depends on what the Flight
Evaluation Board decides. I was the senior Warrant Officer on a FEB in
Germany where a Cobra pilot did the exact same thing at a FARRP (Forward
Area Rearm Refuel Point). He just wasn't caught on film. We found he
was not operating outside the flight envelope of the Cobra and it was an
accident. He was returned to flight status. The maneuver that pilot
performed was WELL within the flight envelope.




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Que sera, sera...

[ManhattanMan]

On 3/23/2012 2:00 PM, Copter_Six wrote:
> The maneuver that pilot performed was WELL within the flight envelope.

And if that slab of terra firma would've been a few feet lower, he
might've made it.... :)

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MnM

[Propwash]

"Ian D" wrote:

> The report is that no one was hurt....



...and amazing with the number of troops on the ground near the impact
area!

Prop

[WayPoint]

On 24/03/2012 5:00 AM, Copter_Six wrote:
> On 3/22/2012 12:14 PM, ManhattanMan wrote:
>> On 3/22/2012 11:41 AM, Vic Baron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dude" <chris...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5a799f2f-fc05-4149...@wb9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> AH-64 Apache helicopter crash in Sharana, Afghanistan. The pilot was
>>>> executing a maneuver known as "return to target".
>>>>
>>>> http://www.break.com/index/ah-64-apache-crash-afghanistan-2311194
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks to me like he was hot dogging and screwed the pooch.
>>>
>>> Vic
>>
>>
>> My thoughts exactly!! So much for his career, assuming he survived...
>>
>
>
> Depends on which direction the investigation turns. The maneuver is
> authorized and he didn't endanger anyone. It was just a hard landing.
> It's like the navy pilot that flew past the ship at high speed and the
> aircraft blew up as he/she was departing. It's doubtful that pilot lost
> his career afterwards. Like I said, it depends on what the Flight
> Evaluation Board decides. I was the senior Warrant Officer on a FEB in
> Germany where a Cobra pilot did the exact same thing at a FARRP (Forward
> Area Rearm Refuel Point). He just wasn't caught on film. We found he was
> not operating outside the flight envelope of the Cobra and it was an
> accident. He was returned to flight status. The maneuver that pilot
> performed was WELL within the flight envelope.
>
>
>
>

Not his fault - the ground rose up to smite him.

It happens.

[Walt_M]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 08:36:02 +1000, WayPoint <some...@lkjhkljh.org>
wrote:

Yep, it was the ground's fault. the ground was oparating outside of
its ground envelope and it was not authorised to do so.

Reminds me of that USS Nimitz vs lighthouse joke.

[WayPoint]

Definitely outside of its jurisdiction - how do you charge the ground
for operating outside of controlled airspace??

> Reminds me of that USS Nimitz vs lighthouse joke.
>
>

Love that joke. :-)

[Walt_M]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 09:29:23 +1000, WayPoint <some...@lkjhkljh.org>

wrote:

>On 24/03/2012 8:46 AM, Walt_M wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 08:36:02 +1000, WayPoint<some...@lkjhkljh.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/03/2012 5:00 AM, Copter_Six wrote:
>>>> On 3/22/2012 12:14 PM, ManhattanMan wrote:
>
>>>> performed was WELL within the flight envelope.
>>
>>> Not his fault - the ground rose up to smite him.
>>
>>> It happens.
>>
>> Yep, it was the ground's fault. the ground was oparating outside of
>> its ground envelope and it was not authorised to do so.
>>
>
>Definitely outside of its jurisdiction - how do you charge the ground
>for operating outside of controlled airspace??

On a more serious note, I can't see why that incident should be
dismissed as a mere "accident". I hate the word "accident". It
implies excusable behaviour. Unless that pilot experienced aircraft
malfunction or physiological impairment, it was pilot error. And then
the question should be: "Is that error an excusable one or not?"