737NG

[donbutts]

I finally have the PMDG 737NG and have been very very impressed so far

I used to boast frame rates of around 80 fps but now after scenery builds
the default 737 sitting outside a complex 3rd party terminal/airfield is
down to 23fps

Swap that for the PMG 737NG and it drops to 12.5 with unsmooth taxi turns.
What a beast - what a bummer.

Guess I will have to start looking at some tweaks to enjoy it fully

Butts
FSX
NZ

[donbutts]

I forgot to mention - with virtual cockpit on full low resolution it nudges
up to 13.5 but then again I can't read the figures clearly.

"donbutts" wrote in message news:jovh2k$ddn$1...@dont-email.me...

[NM5K]

I think you will find it runs a good bit better once you get
away from the dense airports.. Taxiing is probably the #1 area
frame hits are noticeable. But I usually don't see much trouble
when taking off or landing, being as I'm staying on a steady
heading.
One reason why I don't use too many of the dense add on airports
at this time..
I need better video, and really could use more CPU horsepower
for it all to run smooth.
Another problem is I'm still using XP 32 bit, and I don't have
enough available memory to run too dense of scenery.
I can OOM with just the default FSX scenery if I crank everything
to the right.. :( Just not enough mem available until I break
down and switch to a 64 bit OS.
But overall, it doesn't bother me much when flying that plane.
I much prefer the realistic cockpit and functions over having
ultra dense scenery. Once I'm in the air it doesn't matter much..
IE: at cruise, it all looks about the same no matter what scenery
is being used..
My puter is fairly run of the mill, and only medium power..
"AMD Phenom 2 quad core at usually 3.5 ghz, and cheap on board
video.." It's still quite flyable though..
But I'm pondering eventually upgrading the box before too long.
Fairly sure the next build with be back to Intel, and likely
a hot rodded i5-2500/2600k or sumtin like that.. And a better
video card than what I'm using now..
The longer I wait to upgrade, the more power I'll get for my $$$,
so not in a huge rush.
I'll also break down and switch to Win7 64 bit when I do that.
That way I'll be able to run much denser scenery than I can now.
After running that plane, I can't use anything less as far as a jet.
IE: the default 737 is like a fisher price toy in comparison. :+

BTW, I use the low res gauges, but I use the high res cockpit
textures. Only the gauge files actually help the frame rate.
The cockpit textures make no real difference. So might as well
have those sharp being as the only effect is slightly more
memory used.
When you see one of my usual 737 videos, that's the level of scenery I
use, "not too dense" and it's about how mine flies when in the air,
and on the ground when landing or taking off. "not too bad
considering".. What you see on my videos, is pretty much the same
as what I see when flying it. It's fairly smooth most of the time.
In my case, dense clouds effect me more than anything when it comes to
frame rate. Better video would help that.
I run real weather, and if the clouds are dense and multi layered,
my frame rate takes a hit worse than the effects of most add on scenery.
I blame that on the cheap on board ATI video.. "HD 4200"

[donbutts]

- My puter is fairly run of the mill, and only medium power..
"AMD Phenom 2 quad core at usually 3.5 ghz, and cheap on board
video.." It's still quite flyable though..
But I'm pondering eventually upgrading the box before too long.
Fairly sure the next build with be back to Intel, and likely
a hot rodded i5-2500/2600k or sumtin like that.. And a better
video card than what I'm using now..
The longer I wait to upgrade, the more power I'll get for my $$$,
so not in a huge rush.
I'll also break down and switch to Win7 64 bit when I do that.
That way I'll be able to run much denser scenery than I can now.
After running that plane, I can't use anything less as far as a jet.
IE: the default 737 is like a fisher price toy in comparison. :+

BTW, I use the low res gauges, but I use the high res cockpit
textures. Only the gauge files actually help the frame rate.

The cockpit textures make no real difference. So might as well..........


I run the same Phenom with a GTS450 card on windows 7. I have had it some
time now.

I thought it was marvellous when I got it as my older AMD3200 plus only gave
me about 8fps and 18 in blue skies.
I found myself with around 180fps in blue skies with the Phenom on default
scenery.

With a 22 inch monitor all up cost around US$1200 from a local Asian on line
build place and he stuck in a heavier power supply.
That's pretty cheap way down here well away from the real world.

Guess I could knock those trucks and cars back as well as the autogen.
As you say it makes little difference way up yonder where we spend most of
the time but there again that is where a good landclass and mesh is
necessary.
I've lost interest in the lesser aircraft now but taking them out of the
hangar won't achieve much.

How do you get on reading low resolution on the MPC? - as I like getting
right back to show most of the quadrant. The improvement was minor here.

Hitting 'A' puts me on the first officer side where I can zoom up and fix on
those gauges full time - back/space shift A to get back to Captains side

I strike trouble if I use the upper task bar to alter anything - returning,
it freezes up and that's the end.
I have trouble with exterior views with the aircraft becoming transparent at
times but that maybe the local repaint - I'll have to check against the
basic PMDG livery.

Butts
FSX
NZ

[NM5K]

On 5/16/2012 5:01 PM, donbutts wrote:

> How do you get on reading low resolution on the MPC? - as I like getting
> right back to show most of the quadrant. The improvement was minor here.

No real problem most of the time.. Sometimes when looking at another
aircraft on the TCAS display "ND", the altitude numbers are pretty small
and hard to read. If I want to read them better, I just click on the ND
to bring it up in it's own window, and it's easy to read the small
numbers. Then click on it again to restore it back to the VC.
But for general use, what I see normally in the VC is fine.
Almost all of the displays, and also the CDU, can be clicked on to
bring it up with it's own window. Click on the window to restore to
the VC.
BTW.. another quirk.. If you use the keyboard entry, the CDU entry box
will show a green box outline.. When that is on, most of the FSX keys
will be disabled..
So if you ever get it stuck, and it seems like it's keyboard locked,
check the CDU to make sure the green box is not showing at the bottom.
If it is, just mouse click it to restore to CDU pad entry.. Once black
with no green frame, the FSX keys will work again.

>
> Hitting 'A' puts me on the first officer side where I can zoom up and
> fix on those gauges full time - back/space shift A to get back to
> Captains side

Hitting "A" will cycle through all the various views and windows.
IE: captains side, F/O side, overheads, radio panel, 2D, and back
to captains side.. I use shift - and shift + to change the zoom of the
panel. Also shift enter and shift backspace I think, to adjust the
seat height.

>
> I strike trouble if I use the upper task bar to alter anything -
> returning, it freezes up and that's the end.
> I have trouble with exterior views with the aircraft becoming
> transparent at times but that maybe the local repaint - I'll have to
> check against the basic PMDG livery.

Both can be possible signs of running out of usable memory.
This can happen even with Win7-64 if too much stuff is running in
the background, or you have everything maxed out for scenery.
Try sliding everything to the left as far as scenery, and see if it
still does that. If that cures it, then slowly increase things until
it starts to flake out.. Then roll it back to the last settings that
caused no mayhem.

BTW, if you just got that, it should be the latest version, but
you might want to check to make sure.

The aircraft.cfg's will show "1.00.3219" if it's the latest version.

[donbutts]

Hey thanks for all that info. and I will check on those points you raise. I
don't use the other "A" views in this aircraft whilst navigating. I just
switch back and forth from Captain to 1st officer and also activate the
flaps from that side.
I keyboard the popups if I need to use them and do zoom the appropriate
gauges.
With this aircraft there's a fair bit of work in the cabin for one guy so
eye candy suffers until cruise altitude and xx miles to go to next waypoint.
I use control/spacebar/ enter to get further back rather than entirely on
zoom
Just getting my head around the FMC at this stage

Don

"NM5K" wrote in message news:jp1gvc$25h$1...@dont-email.me...

[Iain Smith]

On 17/05/2012 12:42, donbutts wrote:
> Hey thanks for all that info. and I will check on those points you
> raise. I don't use the other "A" views in this aircraft whilst
> navigating. I just switch back and forth from Captain to 1st officer
> and also activate the flaps from that side.
> I keyboard the popups if I need to use them and do zoom the
> appropriate gauges.
> With this aircraft there's a fair bit of work in the cabin for one guy
> so eye candy suffers until cruise altitude and xx miles to go to next
> waypoint.
> I use control/spacebar/ enter to get further back rather than entirely
> on zoom
> Just getting my head around the FMC at this stage
>

Hi Don, I have this a/craft and don't fly anything else these days. I
have an Intel Core 2Quad Q9650 CPU at 3.0GHz, 4GB of memory and a
Geforce GTX 550Ti, with 1GB memory graphics card.

At detailed payware airports by UK2000, FS Dreamteam and FlyTampa I get
frame rates in the mid teens but it is still smooth and entirely usable.

Regarding the workload, I recently purchased FS2Crew for the NGX, which
gives you a first officer to carry out a lot of the tasks. Check it out
at www.fs2crew.com

Iain
Rugby, UK

[donbutts]

Hi Don, I have this a/craft and don't fly anything else these days. I
have an Intel Core 2Quad Q9650 CPU at 3.0GHz, 4GB of memory and a
Geforce GTX 550Ti, with 1GB memory graphics card.

At detailed payware airports by UK2000, FS Dreamteam and FlyTampa I get
frame rates in the mid teens but it is still smooth and entirely usable.

Regarding the workload, I recently purchased FS2Crew for the NGX, which
gives you a first officer to carry out a lot of the tasks. Check it out
at www.fs2crew.com

Iain
Rugby, UK

thanks Iain - my card has 1GB memory
processor has 8GB memory
guess I should be able to keep up
my settings are pretty well across so I might take those back a bit as
indicated.
anyway I'll check that link meantime
Do you have any bugs like I have mentioned?

Cheers
Don

[Iain Smith]

Hi Don. As far as transparency is concerned, I only get it briefly when
first viewing the outside of a 700 version. The rearmost part of the
fuselage goes transparent for a couple of seconds.

Freezing when using the top menu bar used to happen to me when I had a
later Nvidia driver (295.73 I think). When I reverted to an older driver
290.53 the problem went away.

FS2Crew is an add-on worth having. If you decide to purchase, you need
to get the bundle pack which gives you two versions, the button control
and the voice control. I used the button control to start with but
reading the forum on Avsim, it was obvious that the voice control has so
much more as you can get your FO to do more things. For the voice
control you need a USB headset and mic. Then you spend and hour or so
going through the Win 7 voice activation training programme to get the
computer used to your voice. There are set phrases to use to instruct
the FO and you can print those off so you have them handy until you get
used to them.

Iain
Rugby, UK

[donbutts]

GTX 550Ti, with 1GB memory graphics card.

Hi Don. As far as transparency is concerned, I only get it briefly when
first viewing the outside of a 700 version. The rearmost part of the
fuselage goes transparent for a couple of seconds.

Freezing when using the top menu bar used to happen to me when I had a
later Nvidia driver (295.73 I think). When I reverted to an older driver
290.53 the problem went away.

FS2Crew is an add-on worth having. If you decide to purchase, you need
to get the bundle pack which gives you two versions, the button control
and the voice control. I used the button control to start with but
reading the forum on Avsim, it was obvious that the voice control has so
much more as you can get your FO to do more things. For the voice
control you need a USB headset and mic. Then you spend and hour or so
going through the Win 7 voice activation training programme to get the
computer used to your voice. There are set phrases to use to instruct
the FO and you can print those off so you have them handy until you get
used to them.

Iain
Rugby, UK

Thanks Iain. I'm getting things sorted. I recall now I'm not supposed to
have upmarket aircraft set as default - which I did
The music was breaking up and blips in the graphics and sometimes a
transparent aircraft would appear. No wonder I was having probs.

I've now got the default 737 as default and its sitting at 38fps outside the
terminal. Swap for the 737NG and it drops to 14 - 15 but if I look across
all the gauges away from terminal buildings it goes to 18 fps.

That's much better and should be about the taxi frame rate at a complex
field. The airport has many photo-real buildings plus a photo-real village
within

Had a flight - no probs this time ... wow.

I've been cheating with the cold and dark. Battery.. ground power .. cabin
setup ...apu start overhead lights air cond etc ... stairs and doors ..
pushback?. then hit.. FMCset up/ -default panel .. execute/.. and all the
engines start up with little visual change and anything overlooked is
corrected .. sit back and enjoy the flight - we should have you on the
ground in one piece.
Ha! ... realistic in a sense.

:-)

I am self navigating at this early stage so I leave those 2 ins switches off
(shift7)



Don
Table tennis, NZ

[donbutts]

I got that wrong on reading what I sent
Hitting NGX default is before set up otherwise you lose it all
Back to the drawing board.

Don


Back to the drawing board on that!!

"donbutts" wrote in message news:jpa7pv$gl6$1...@dont-email.me...

[copter...@gmail.com]

Buttsfucker Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
thats funny

Copter Bob

[donbutts]

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If I was 15 also perhaps I might see the funny side :-/

[copter...@gmail.com]

if you was 15 you wud be too busy spanking your munkey buttzo

Copter Bob

[donbutts]

> Buttsfucker Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> thats funny
>
> Copter Bob
>
> If I was 15 also perhaps I might see the funny side :-/

if you was 15 you wud be too busy spanking your munkey buttzo

Copter Bob

To The Clone of Copter Bob

I haven't bothered reading all those crap posts so I really don't know who's
who now.
It's obvious you are a kid or a very deranged adult whether or not that
derangement is substance induced or otherwise.
I can't recall ever abusing or using foul language to anyone within this
group in the 12 years I have been here.
If you bother to reply would it be possible to phrase your message more in
keeping with the maturity expected in this particular use-net group

Thanks

db

[copter...@gmail.com]

thats funny buttzoid
play tha game nigga

[donbutts]

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Pointless trying further so I might as well join you - maybe sit under a
tree, have a scratch and eat a banana.
Deal?