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Walter Mitty II

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Jan 16, 2010, 6:49:17 PM1/16/10
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I love this aircraft because of how it handles and the photoreal 2D
panel, so I thought I'd give you a heads-up about it.

Tucano T-27 used by AFA - Brazilian Air Force Academy and many others
AF worldwide. Include AFA and EDA textures. Model, Flight Dynamics
and textures by J.E.Narcizo - ...

Sadly, no virtual cockpit, but I absolutely LOVE the photoreal 2D
panel. (All instruments gauges are new and in xml format. By Paolo
Dessani.)

Download:
http://www.simviation.com/simviation/?type=item&ID=86&page=9
(3rd from top)

Enjoy.


Walt
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John Ward

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Jan 16, 2010, 7:32:57 PM1/16/10
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Hi Walter,

As usual, it didn't download using Opera, but it did using Internet
Explorer.

Very nice, mate!!

Plenty of scope for "tweaking" that colour scheme, too! :-))

Thanks for posting the link.

Regards,
John Ward

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donbutts

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Jan 16, 2010, 9:03:10 PM1/16/10
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dunno where I went wrong with ths .exe files. Ended up with a panel with no
nose in front and no side views and may have overwritten my purpose made
fspuic.... yuk


Butts
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John Ward

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Jan 16, 2010, 9:41:01 PM1/16/10
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Hi Butts,

I just extracted the zip file into C:\Temp\1, and from there, ran the
exe file, and specified a path of C:\Temp\2 during the installation, rather
than accepting the default... Worked like a beaut, mate.

The result of running the exe file is a stock standard aircraft
structure folder and sub-folders, and all you have to do is put one effect
file into the FS9 Effects folder...

There are no 2D cockpit views other than straight ahead, which is a pet
hate of mine, but hey.... :-))

Regards,
John Ward

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donbutts

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Jan 16, 2010, 10:23:57 PM1/16/10
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ok JW I extracted to temp and just ran the exe
so you've got a length of engine cowling in front of the panel in panel
view?
Cheers
Don


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John Ward

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Jan 16, 2010, 10:45:22 PM1/16/10
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Hi Butts,

When I ran the exe, the installation begins. During installation, a
default path is offered for the file/s destination. I didn't take the
default, I specified C:\Temp\1.

That resulted in this structure:

....Aircraft
Model
Panel
Sound
Textures

and an Effects folder, with only one file in it.

Moved the effect to the FS9 Effects folder, moved the Aircraft folder
and sub-folders to the normal aircraft folder of FS9, and voila, mate! :-))

It is FS9. Does the aircraft look normal in the aircraft.selection
screen, but not in flight, or vice versa...?

Regards,
John Ward

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Propwash

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Jan 17, 2010, 12:13:14 AM1/17/10
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Walter Mitty II wrote:

> Tucano T-27 used by AFA - Brazilian Air Force Academy and many others
> AF worldwide. Include AFA and EDA textures.  Model, Flight Dynamics
> and textures by J.E.Narcizo - ...
>
> Sadly, no virtual cockpit, but I absolutely LOVE the photoreal 2D
> panel. (All instruments gauges are new and in xml format. By Paolo
> Dessani.)
>
> Download:http://www.simviation.com/simviation/?type=item&ID=86&page=9
> (3rd from top)
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Walt

I would suggest you try downloading:

eda2006.zip Size: 1,999,440 Date: 01-03-2006
FS2004 FAB Embraer EMB-312 Tucano T-27. An Embraer EMB-312 Tucano T-27
from EDA "Esquadrilha de Demostracao Aerea". Model by Denis and Daniel
da Silva, photoreal textures by Cristiano Magnani.

I combined with textures from:
fsfab.zip Size: 14,478,387 Date: 03-11-2008
FS2004 Embraer EMB-312 Tucano. Includes all versions of the Brazilian
Air Force (FAB), AT-27, A-27 and T-27. Painting and model by Denis da
Silva and Daniel da Silva. Package by Denis Oliveira.


Add the panel:
tucpnl1.zip Size: 2,680,136 Date: 04-30-2006
FS2004 Embraer EMB-312 Tucano Panel. A photoreal panel. All gauges are
new and in XML format. By Paolo Dessani.

The original gauge called for in the panel.cfg (Window 00, line88) was
not supplied with the download. If you already have the cfr_rada.gau
file, you can alter the following lines in the panel.cfg to add a
simulated radar display.

//gauge88=Tucgps!gps_square, 710,566,116,108
gauge88=CFR_rada, 739,591,61,57

If not, you can use the 74spr_rada.gau (which is supplied, but doesn't
display as well).
gauge88=74spr_rada, 739,591,61,57


Now you will have cockpit views, and a vc.


Prop


Walter Mitty II

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Jan 17, 2010, 12:49:51 AM1/17/10
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Thanks, Paul. Much appreciated. I'll check it out for sure.

donbutts

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Jan 17, 2010, 5:10:14 AM1/17/10
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Dunno JW I got rid of it. Delete kaput. Then FS9 wouldn't start up so I had
to overwrite the CFG then reset up resolution etc.finally got it going. The
FSUPIC warning stopped.
Anyway couldn't find reverse thrust so I'll leave the single bangers to you
guys.
I remember way back having a break from civil jets and trying an up market
DC3. Ran along the runway blindly till the tail lifted and took off nicely,
lifted the gear checked rate of climb, pinged back the flaps, landing lights
off and other checks, trimmed settled back and checked the view ... I still
hadn't cleared the runway. Bugger this... back to the jets!!

Butts
FS9

rookie

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Jan 18, 2010, 4:45:35 AM1/18/10
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On 17.1.2010. 11:10, donbutts wrote:
> Dunno JW I got rid of it. Delete kaput. Then FS9 wouldn't start up so I had
> to overwrite the CFG then reset up resolution etc.finally got it going. The
> FSUPIC warning stopped.
> Anyway couldn't find reverse thrust so I'll leave the single bangers to you
> guys.
> I remember way back having a break from civil jets and trying an up market
> DC3. Ran along the runway blindly till the tail lifted and took off nicely,
> lifted the gear checked rate of climb, pinged back the flaps, landing lights
> off and other checks, trimmed settled back and checked the view ... I still
> hadn't cleared the runway. Bugger this... back to the jets!!
>
> Butts
> FS9
>

hehehe, there is a similar real-life story about former MiG-21 pilot
taking off from LDZD in C172. He took off, flew for some minutes looked
back and when he saw (to his horror) and airport behind he turned back,
landed, and said "I'll never fly again"...

Walter Mitty II

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Jan 18, 2010, 6:53:26 AM1/18/10
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I'm still in the process of evaluating and comparing the two.

I wonder if anyone else out there might like to do the same (as a bit
of project) and give us their findings. Just a thought.


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John Ward

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Jan 18, 2010, 3:44:15 PM1/18/10
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Hi Walter,

I melded the early model (which does have the extra cockpit views) with
the later, great panel. Easy.

I went to repaint the whole thing, but, for some reason that's beyond
me, two of the bitmaps couldn't permanently be altered (I could alter them
in a graphics program, but the changes wouldn't "stick" - weird!).

I eventually found the gauge that Propwash mentioned in a Constellation
model somewhere.

I never could find the ~ 14 MB liveries pack that Propwash mentioned
anywhere...

Regards,
John Ward

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Propwash

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Jan 18, 2010, 5:42:38 PM1/18/10
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"John Ward" wrote:
>     I never could find the ~ 14 MB liveries pack that Propwash mentioned
> anywhere...
>
> Regards,
> John Ward

eda2006.zip Size: 1,999,440 Date: 01-03-2006
FS2004 FAB Embraer EMB-312 Tucano T-27. An Embraer EMB-312 Tucano T-27
from EDA "Esquadrilha de Demostracao Aerea". Model by Denis and Daniel
da Silva, photoreal textures by Cristiano Magnani.

I combined with textures from:
fsfab.zip Size: 14,478,387 Date: 03-11-2008
FS2004 Embraer EMB-312 Tucano. Includes all versions of the Brazilian
Air Force (FAB), AT-27, A-27 and T-27. Painting and model by Denis da
Silva and Daniel da Silva. Package by Denis Oliveira.

Add the panel:
tucpnl1.zip Size: 2,680,136 Date: 04-30-2006
FS2004 Embraer EMB-312 Tucano Panel. A photoreal panel. All gauges are
new and in XML format. By Paolo Dessani.


John,
Didn't realize I forgot to add source. All three files are at
flightsim.com.

Prop


John Ward

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Jan 18, 2010, 6:04:56 PM1/18/10
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Hi Propwash,

Well I'll be! :-))

I don't know how I managed not to find that fsfab.zip on Flightsim when
I looked, but I've downloaded it now, so I'll have another crack at the
whole process, and hopefully end up with my personalized livery this time
around.

Thanks very much for the extra info', mate.

Regards,
John Ward

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Propwash

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Jan 18, 2010, 6:18:46 PM1/18/10
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"John Ward" wrote:
> I don't know how I managed not to find that fsfab.zip on Flightsim when
> I looked..........................
>
> Regards,
> John Ward


Guess that just lends credence to that JW statement "But I've been
wrong before."

[:0)

Prop

Walter Mitty II

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Jan 18, 2010, 7:02:38 PM1/18/10
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I'd be interested in seeing the liveries when you've done them.

But what I'm also interested in is what people think of the
performance/handling of that model versus the other model by
J.E.Narcizo.

I'm still having trouble tweaking the aircraft.cfg file ( I don't know
how to modify .air files) to make the thing behave satisfatorily.)

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John Ward

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Jan 18, 2010, 8:13:45 PM1/18/10
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Hi Walter,

Gregory's the expert here on tweaking/understanding .air files, so if
you ping him, he might have enough spare time to look into things for you,
mate.

I'm not speaking for Gregory, of course, just mentioning that he's the
expert here that I know of.

For FS9 you can use AirEd:

http://www.fs2000.org/index.php/downloads/miscellaneous/doc_details/8756--fs2004-aired

Which sections of the Aircraft.cfg file are you trying to "tweak", and
what are you trying to achieve?

Regards,
John Ward

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Walter Mitty II

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Jan 19, 2010, 1:12:06 AM1/19/10
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I don't think I'm in Gregory's good books so I don't think I'll risk
rejection by asking him. You know how sensitive I am... ;-)

Thanks for the link to D/L Air Ed. I've had a bit of a look at it and
I'm thinking I should leave the air.cfg alone till I know a lot more
about it. Looks like scary stuff.

As for the aircraft.cfg file, it's probably not the right place to
make the tweaks I've been attempting, but here's what I've been
attempting:

[1] Make the plane fly at the correct maximum speed (about 250kts)
by changing the engine and prop power scalars.

[2] Make the plane have 2 deg nose up pitch at 90kts with gear down
and full flaps on apporach (descending at 500fpm) by changing flap
lift scalar.

[3] Make the plane slow to to below 90kts on approach (see [2]) with
throttle at minimum by changing flap drag scalar.

Probably a caveman's apporach to things, but hey, waddya expeck from a
M60 totin' ex-grunt, eh? ;-)

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:13:45 +1000, "John Ward" <jrm...@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

>Hi Walter,


>
> Gregory's the expert here on tweaking/understanding .air files, so if
>you ping him, he might have enough spare time to look into things for you,
>mate.
>
> I'm not speaking for Gregory, of course, just mentioning that he's the
>expert here that I know of.
>
> For FS9 you can use AirEd:
>
> http://www.fs2000.org/index.php/downloads/miscellaneous/doc_details/8756--fs2004-aired
>
> Which sections of the Aircraft.cfg file are you trying to "tweak", and
>what are you trying to achieve?
>
>Regards,
>John Ward
>
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>>
>> I'd be interested in seeing the liveries when you've done them.
>>
>> But what I'm also interested in is what people think of the
>> performance/handling of that model versus the other model by
>> J.E.Narcizo.
>>
>> I'm still having trouble tweaking the aircraft.cfg file ( I don't know
>> how to modify .air files) to make the thing behave satisfatorily.)

Walt

Walter Mitty II

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Jan 19, 2010, 3:58:21 AM1/19/10
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I've now tweaked the da Silva model, but I still feel that the Narcizo
model feels smoother on the controls and on the autopilot (less jerky)
but maybe that's my pooter system (a bit archaic). That's my 20c
worth.

Walter Mitty II

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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:49:17 +1100, Walter Mitty II
<email....@end.of.msg> wrote:

>I love this aircraft because of how it handles and the photoreal 2D
>panel, so I thought I'd give you a heads-up about it.
>
>Tucano T-27 used by AFA - Brazilian Air Force Academy and many others
>AF worldwide. Include AFA and EDA textures. Model, Flight Dynamics
>and textures by J.E.Narcizo - ...
>
>Sadly, no virtual cockpit, but I absolutely LOVE the photoreal 2D
>panel. (All instruments gauges are new and in xml format. By Paolo
>Dessani.)
>
>Download:
>http://www.simviation.com/simviation/?type=item&ID=86&page=9
>(3rd from top)

Just tested the Shorts Tucano trainer by Brian Franklin (download
from Simshed) with RAF textures. FS9 and FSX. Needed a bit of
tweaking, but now flies to my liking. Quite like this one.

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