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83LowRider

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Dec 21, 2012, 1:55:46 AM12/21/12
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Being a fan of the old arcade games I played MAME ver.77 for
a couple years before stepping away from it. I had an arcade
cabinet about halfway done and then got sidetracked with life.
A couple years or so ago, even went so far as to download
ver.114 but never got it installed. With winter coming on
and work slow, I figured this would finally be the time to
update -- so here's what I have now -

Found a sale at tigerdirect on a new computer, an AMD
quad-core with 4gb of ram. At 250 bucks, a deal! Running
WinXP... the computer is 64 bit but the operating system
is x86.

Downloaded about 42gb of roms (ver 147) as well as
the extras and also went and grabbed the 147 mame.exe.

Grabbed an optipac and an ipac from Ultimarc so as to
do away with my HotRodSE. The optipac is for a spinner.
Was hoping to add a lightgun to the order but it's listed
as out of stock. Got the ipac installed and put the original
control panel back on the arcade cabinet.

A few questions --

With the version 77 roms, I used MAME32 as a frontend.
I also tried and liked a frontend very similar (a search bar
was the main difference) called MAME32FX. I also used
<very short time before putting cabinet to side> Maximus
Arcade.

With version 147, I have gotten Maximus to work on one
of my computers, but it shuts down two others I've tried
it on, including the one in the arcade cabinet (quick blue
screen, not able to read the message, then reboots). Maximus
has the normal screen, games listed, but clicking on any of
them causes the instant reboot.
Any ideas on what I may be missing here?

Secondly - FORTY TWO GIGS of roms? How many games is
that? Running version 147 roms via MAME32FX, it shows at
around 6000 games... so why so many roms? Looking at
the roms folder, there are approx. 25,000 roms.

I presume that the chad games are not part of this 147
download and are still seperate from the roms folder?

What frontends are people using nowadays?

Any other source of lightguns? Any feedback on any
other brands?

I'm sure there's more questions I'm forgetting at the
moment, and more to come before this is finished,
but any feedback would be greatly appreciated.









lob

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Dec 29, 2012, 2:48:08 AM12/29/12
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"83LowRider" <83low...@nywilldo.com> wrote in news:kb115k$vb4$1@dont-
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<snip>

Bloody spammer ;-)

lob

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Dec 29, 2012, 6:15:38 AM12/29/12
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lob <lob30...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:50de9228$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au:
I think we could possibly forgive the obvious commerical references to
tigerdirect, WinXP, Ultimarc etc, but as for trying to flog MAME ver.77!
Sacrilegious! You are the worst spammer this newsgroup has seen in a long
time Mr Low Rider.

lob

83LowRider

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Dec 29, 2012, 6:09:27 AM12/29/12
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lob wrote:

>
> I think we could possibly forgive the obvious commerical references to
> tigerdirect, WinXP, Ultimarc etc, but as for trying to flog MAME
> ver.77! Sacrilegious! You are the worst spammer this newsgroup has
> seen in a long time Mr Low Rider.

Wow... after lurking around here for well over ten year,
this is the best I can get?

I suppose if I'd have simply posted 'burp' that I would
have gotten at least five replies.

One actual MAME post made here in weeks, and I
cannot get even one reply/answer. USENET is
truly dead I suppose. I've got my cabinet <mostly>
together tho, so I'll continue my Robotron quest
for greatness and again search all that is google.

On the plus side - I see that the light gun is available
again. Of course, with no 'light gun input' from
anyone here, I suppose that'll be a "shot" in the dark..


lob

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Dec 29, 2012, 2:27:42 PM12/29/12
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"83LowRider" <83low...@nywilldo.com> wrote in news:kbmj18$hrg$1@dont-
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$$$ + brown papaer bag + park bench. I'll tell you where and when where
and when I get around to it. Maybe how much too. I'll be the little old
lady who appears to be 105. The code word is 'Mamearama'. Make sure the
dough is all there. Then you'll get your 25 page reply, to your non-spam
"I'm-Just-really_interested-in-mame" post. The monkeys are working on it
right now.

lob



83LowRider

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Dec 29, 2012, 6:00:41 PM12/29/12
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lob wrote:

> $$$ + brown papaer bag + park bench. I'll tell you where and when
> where and when I get around to it. Maybe how much too. I'll be the
> little old lady who appears to be 105. The code word is 'Mamearama'.
> Make sure the dough is all there. Then you'll get your 25 page reply,
> to your non-spam "I'm-Just-really_interested-in-mame" post. The
> monkeys are working on it right now.

<sigh>

Another guy dressed up as a woman wanting to take my
money. I'll not fall for that <again>.

Back to Pang I suppose, but again, thanks for the <non>help!


lob

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Dec 29, 2012, 10:38:38 PM12/29/12
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"83LowRider" <83low...@nywilldo.com> wrote in news:kbnsmq$42h$1@dont-
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If you look closely, you'll see it's Robotron playing:

http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Lob%27s_BYOAM

Not at the moment though, 'cause the old Dell gave up the ghost just
yesterday. Goddamn :(

lob

83LowRider

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Dec 30, 2012, 1:12:49 AM12/30/12
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lob wrote:

>> <sigh>
>>
>> Another guy dressed up as a woman wanting to take my
>> money. I'll not fall for that <again>.
>> Back to Pang I suppose, but again, thanks for the <non>help!
>
>
> If you look closely, you'll see it's Robotron playing:
>
> http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Lob%27s_BYOAM
>
> Not at the moment though, 'cause the old Dell gave up the ghost just
> yesterday. Goddamn :(

I'm in the heart of UT Vols country - and even I gotta say -
That's one ugly-ass color on that arcade machine of yours.

No offense, to each their own I suppose.

On a secondary note - is that thing in your kitchen?
It appears to be reflecting your stove in the marquee.

Lastly, I owned a Defender machine in the 80's.
<queue my best Lloyd Benson voice> That sir, is no
Defender machine.


lob

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Dec 30, 2012, 6:06:23 AM12/30/12
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"83LowRider" <83low...@nywilldo.com> wrote in news:kbom12$osd$1@dont-
email.me:

> lob wrote:
>
>>> <sigh>
>>>
>>> Another guy dressed up as a woman wanting to take my
>>> money. I'll not fall for that <again>.
>>> Back to Pang I suppose, but again, thanks for the <non>help!
>>
>>
>> If you look closely, you'll see it's Robotron playing:
>>
>> http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Lob%27s_BYOAM
>>
>> Not at the moment though, 'cause the old Dell gave up the ghost just
>> yesterday. Goddamn :(
>
> I'm in the heart of UT Vols country - and even I gotta say -
> That's one ugly-ass color on that arcade machine of yours.

I know. I tried my best to out do Super Mappy. In then end I just
couldn't compete with all the stickers and stuff he decorated his YELLOW
machines with.


> No offense, to each their own I suppose.

I'll tell Super Mappy you said that.


> On a secondary note - is that thing in your kitchen?
> It appears to be reflecting your stove in the marquee.

Na, it's in the very tiny "dinning room" (adjacent to the kitchen) of a
small terrace house in Sydney....but yeah, Jesus, you're correct. If you
look closely there's a wine goblet and paper towel on the bench next to
the stove. That pic was taken around 2000. The reflective white pattern
at the base is the vinyl flooring in the adjacent kitchen, and also the
skirting board of the dinning room and what appears to a speaker is
reflected on the side panel. (Yeah, I went with high gloss - fucking
very high gloss apparently - "lantern orange", because matt black is
just kinda dull and boring. Every fricken machine on BYOAC was black
back then. OK, I didn't start a trend, but at least I tried.)


> Lastly, I owned a Defender machine in the 80's.
> <queue my best Lloyd Benson voice> That sir, is no
> Defender machine.

It's based on the EXACT SAME dimensions of Defender. I just made the
joining panels somewhat wider to accommodate dual joysticks for Robotron
etc. Works well for doubles in Track n Field also.

lob




83LowRider

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Dec 30, 2012, 7:49:13 AM12/30/12
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lob wrote:

>> I'm in the heart of UT Vols country - and even I gotta say -
>> That's one ugly-ass color on that arcade machine of yours.
>
> I know. I tried my best to out do Super Mappy. In then end I just
> couldn't compete with all the stickers and stuff he decorated his
> YELLOW machines with.
>
>> No offense, to each their own I suppose.
>
> I'll tell Super Mappy you said that.

I've seen his via web pics in years past.
I remember it being very 'bright' indeed.

>> On a secondary note - is that thing in your kitchen?
>> It appears to be reflecting your stove in the marquee.
>
> Na, it's in the very tiny "dinning room" (adjacent to the kitchen) of
> a small terrace house in Sydney....but yeah, Jesus, you're correct.
> If you look closely there's a wine goblet and paper towel on the
> bench next to the stove. That pic was taken around 2000. The
> reflective white pattern at the base is the vinyl flooring in the
> adjacent kitchen, and also the skirting board of the dinning room and
> what appears to a speaker is reflected on the side panel. (Yeah, I
> went with high gloss - fucking very high gloss apparently - "lantern
> orange", because matt black is just kinda dull and boring. Every
> fricken machine on BYOAC was black back then. OK, I didn't start a
> trend, but at least I tried.)

Decorating the cabinet seems to be the biggest challenge.
The one that is now 90% done <except for decoration>
will probably have a classic rock theme. Led Zep, GNR,
Aerosmith, etc logos..

This is almost identical <or may be identical> to the
one I am playing... a 2-player with the addition of a spinner.
http://www.worldofmeh.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Neo-Geo.jpg

I have this one stored - it'll be my 'premiere' cabinet -
http://www.gearfuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/4slot-mvs.gif
It is currently just the cabinet - and will probably be a dedicated
Beatles theme. Maybe next year <sigh>.

>> Lastly, I owned a Defender machine in the 80's.
>> <queue my best Lloyd Benson voice> That sir, is no
>> Defender machine.
>
> It's based on the EXACT SAME dimensions of Defender. I just made the
> joining panels somewhat wider to accommodate dual joysticks for
> Robotron etc. Works well for doubles in Track n Field also.

I was thinking more of button layout. I could roll Defender over
on a quarter, but it 'freaked out' at a million. Owning a game room
for many years was a huge advantage tho...
:)


Wesley

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Jan 27, 2013, 8:21:20 PM1/27/13
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"83LowRider" wrote in message news:kbmj18$hrg$1...@dont-email.me...

lob wrote:

>
> I think we could possibly forgive the obvious commerical references to
> tigerdirect, WinXP, Ultimarc etc, but as for trying to flog MAME
> ver.77! Sacrilegious! You are the worst spammer this newsgroup has
> seen in a long time Mr Low Rider.

Wow... after lurking around here for well over ten year,
this is the best I can get?

LOL welcome back I know where you from r * * k :P

Yes as recently roms grow too fast unfortunately most of them I don't like
as good old arcade anyway too many clones crazy. You don't have to download
all...

Download what you like best.






Hellmark

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Feb 27, 2013, 2:14:56 PM2/27/13
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On 2012-12-21 06:55:46 +0000, "83LowRider" <83low...@nywilldo.com> said:
> A few questions --
> With the version 77 roms, I used MAME32 as a frontend.
> I also tried and liked a frontend very similar (a search bar
> was the main difference) called MAME32FX. I also used
> <very short time before putting cabinet to side> Maximus
> Arcade.
>
> With version 147, I have gotten Maximus to work on one
> of my computers, but it shuts down two others I've tried
> it on, including the one in the arcade cabinet (quick blue
> screen, not able to read the message, then reboots). Maximus
> has the normal screen, games listed, but clicking on any of
> them causes the instant reboot.
> Any ideas on what I may be missing here?

As far as Maximus crashing, and even causing BSoDs, that's very bad.
I've personally not used Maximus because of the cost, and being for
Windows (I'm a *nix geek myself). My first thought would be to
redownload the installer, as it may have become corrupted, or that
there was a bad bug that has since been patched. Also double check that
you have all the required dependencies installed. Also, try the
following to disable the autoreboot, so you can read the message.
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/tipstricks/ht/disautorestart.htm

From what I've also seen, the combo of Maximus, MAME, XP, and an Nvidia
chipset with drivers newer than v258 seems to have an issue similar to
yours

> Secondly - FORTY TWO GIGS of roms? How many games is
> that? Running version 147 roms via MAME32FX, it shows at
> around 6000 games... so why so many roms? Looking at
> the roms folder, there are approx. 25,000 roms.

That is one reason why some people cherry pick their ROM sets anymore.
So many of the newer games require a lot more room, and if they're
still being worked on, or you're never going to play them, then why
download them.

As far as why so many ROMs, well, there are some that multiple ROMs
because of how the hardware was designed. Shared ROM libraries,
multiboard setups, etc. That all adds to the ROM count.

> I presume that the chad games are not part of this 147
> download and are still seperate from the roms folder?
>
> What frontends are people using nowadays?

MAMEUI replaced MAME32, but there is some question about if it may be
able to support things much longer. IV/Play is developed by the same
group of people, and built to be purely a frontend to the commandline
MAME, as opposed to being a version of MAME with a built in GUI. That
would be able to support things long term better. 0.148.1 is the latest
version of MAMEUI.

> Any other source of lightguns? Any feedback on any
> other brands?

Actlabs guns are still great if you have a CRT monitor in your cab.
Ordering them from ActLabs directly I think can only be done through
their Canadian branch. The main chipset used is no longer being
produced, so they can't make any more. Last I heard the Canadian arm of
AL still had the required stuff. Check ebay otherwise.

If you're using an LCD display, then something like Ultimarc's AIMtrak
may be your only option.

If you're feeling adventurous, you can hack the guts of a Wii remote
into a gun controller (or just use one of the wii gun accessories). The
wiimote connects via bluetooth, and is super simple to get connected to
a computer. Use a couple of IR LED's around the display, a cheap
bluetooth adapter (I've bought them for as cheap as a buck), and you're
up and running in a hurry. This method will work for any type of
display.

83LowRider

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Feb 28, 2013, 10:22:08 AM2/28/13
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Hellmark wrote:

Thanks for the reply Hellmark -- comments inline.

>> A few questions --
>> With the version 77 roms, I used MAME32 as a frontend.
>> I also tried and liked a frontend very similar (a search bar
>> was the main difference) called MAME32FX. I also used
>> <very short time before putting cabinet to side> Maximus
>> Arcade.
>>
>> With version 147, I have gotten Maximus to work on one
>> of my computers, but it shuts down two others I've tried
>> it on, including the one in the arcade cabinet (quick blue
>> screen, not able to read the message, then reboots). Maximus
>> has the normal screen, games listed, but clicking on any of
>> them causes the instant reboot.
>> Any ideas on what I may be missing here?
>
> As far as Maximus crashing, and even causing BSoDs, that's very bad.
> I've personally not used Maximus because of the cost, and being for
> Windows (I'm a *nix geek myself). My first thought would be to
> redownload the installer, as it may have become corrupted, or that
> there was a bad bug that has since been patched. Also double check
> that you have all the required dependencies installed. Also, try the
> following to disable the autoreboot, so you can read the message.
> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/tipstricks/ht/disautorestart.htm

The Maximus frontend works on the other computer I tried
it on. The arcade computer --> I did try uninstalling and
re-installing, still an instant reboot when choosing a game.
I haven't looked at it any deeper as I've been pretty content
just having the ver.77 roms working with mame32fx.
Just hate having 25k roms and not takind advantage of them.
:)

> From what I've also seen, the combo of Maximus, MAME, XP, and an
> Nvidia chipset with drivers newer than v258 seems to have an issue
> similar to yours

A friend of mine gave me the video card as he had it sitting
around. Since my original post - some research is telling
me this particular card had some issues, tho I can't pinpoint
it to the card yet without doing some more homework.

>> Secondly - FORTY TWO GIGS of roms? How many games is
>> that? Running version 147 roms via MAME32FX, it shows at
>> around 6000 games... so why so many roms? Looking at
>> the roms folder, there are approx. 25,000 roms.
>
> That is one reason why some people cherry pick their ROM sets anymore.
> So many of the newer games require a lot more room, and if they're
> still being worked on, or you're never going to play them, then why
> download them.

Very true and much of the reason I've not gone back trying
to fix the issue. I grabbed the newer (.147) set knowing that
most games would go unused, but the much larger selection
allows me to try some 'newer' games and maybe fixes some
issues with some of the older games.

> As far as why so many ROMs, well, there are some that multiple ROMs
> because of how the hardware was designed. Shared ROM libraries,
> multiboard setups, etc. That all adds to the ROM count.

While realizing the truth in all that, it still seems a rom count
of 25,000 would result in more than 6k games.

>> I presume that the chad games are not part of this 147
>> download and are still seperate from the roms folder?
>>
>> What frontends are people using nowadays?
>
> MAMEUI replaced MAME32, but there is some question about if it may be
> able to support things much longer. IV/Play is developed by the same
> group of people, and built to be purely a frontend to the commandline
> MAME, as opposed to being a version of MAME with a built in GUI. That
> would be able to support things long term better. 0.148.1 is the
> latest version of MAMEUI.

Thanks for that info! I had seen IV mentioned and grabbed
it.... put it on this computer I'm posting from <not the arcade
cabinet> but it apparently requires .NET 4 framework
and I didn't want that installed on this computer. When
I DO try to update the arcade machine again, I'll grab
.NET 4 and put on that machine to see if I like/can use IVPlay.

>> Any other source of lightguns? Any feedback on any
>> other brands?
>
> Actlabs guns are still great if you have a CRT monitor in your cab.
> Ordering them from ActLabs directly I think can only be done through
> their Canadian branch. The main chipset used is no longer being
> produced, so they can't make any more. Last I heard the Canadian arm
> of AL still had the required stuff. Check ebay otherwise.
>
> If you're using an LCD display, then something like Ultimarc's AIMtrak
> may be your only option.

My monitor is a Sylvania 24" (diagonal) tv using the S-Video
input. An LCD just doesn't replicate the old games "looks"
like I wanted. The Sylvania fits the cabinet perfectly.

I kept three 'dead' arcade games when I sold my pool/gameroom.
Gave my electrical engineering buddy first pick (all three
had bad monitors) and he rebuilt his monitor. He offered
to do mine as well, but I abuse him hard enough as it is, and
the tv was such a perfect fit. When I make it around to doing
cabinet #3 I may take him up on his offer.

I'll certainly go re-look at the ActLabs version since you
give it a good recommendation.

> If you're feeling adventurous, you can hack the guts of a Wii remote

Probably a bit beyond what I'd wish to attempt if 60
bucks or less would buy me one.

Again, many thanks for the input!


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