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Kris Shoemaker

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Jul 31, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/31/00
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I was playing yesterday on de_dust and there was a CT called "MANIAC". I
was a T defending the rushing CT's coming out of the tunnel. I was perched
up on the wall and got capped outta nowhere. When I came to in Ghost mode I
went to find my killer. The fricker was behind a box WAY at the start of
the CT's end of the tunnel. There was no fuckin way he could have killed me
from there, I thought.

Then (still watching him in Ghost mode) he walked up directly behind the
green box in the tunnel (so no one could see him) and shot right through it
and killed a crouched sniping T at the top of the ramp. At that point I got
REALLY suspicious. THEN he looked straight upwards at the ceiling of the
tunnel and shot and killed a T that was defending the cross roads inside
part.

I was really pissed by that point. I proceeded to rat the bastard out and
get him kicked because other ppl had noticed similar stuff. WTF? Why do
ppl suck? Are they that insecure with their CS abilities?

Has anybody else seen shit like this? Got any stories? Tell them.

.............Para_Sight

mark.blant

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Aug 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/1/00
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Its a tough one as its difficult to prove... 3D sound can be a valuble
medium for blindfire too. It does seem very suspitious though :/ Also it
doesn't help that you can't seem to kick offenders... i've never seen
anybody kicked ever!
The only cheat that i have definately seen in use is the false skin cheat
(saw it again last week)... its so obvious that the person is cheating
though (TK's all the way). Rather that spend ages trying to get everybody to
kick him i just left and joined another server, i'm not wasting my valuble
game time playing against small-minded selfish idiots that want to mess up
everybody elses enjoyment of the game. The sooner the kick voting gets
sorted out the better.

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Juste

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Aug 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/1/00
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I agree, Mark. I give people one chance to vote the bastard out, then i
leave and join another server. I don't want to spend my valuable CS time
watching out for cheating assholes. We need a better kick system.

Yeah, Kris i've seen it a couple of times myself lately. I got sniped a few
times from "impossible" locations by the same guy in a game. When i
confronted him with it, he left. Another time i was in ghost on Militia. One
T, one CT left. The T is in the tunnels by the CT end with a HK sniper rifle
(the semi-automatic). The CT is just over him. He walks in stealth mode,
'cause he knows the T is near him. I check out the T, and see him sniping
from below. I mean, he actually zoomed in and shot through the ground. The
CT jumped back, the T sniped him once again, tracking him the whole time.
This repeats a third time. And don't tell me he went by sound, he moved
around himself to get a better shot. Lots of ppl noticed, and the cheater
left soon after 'cause the questions became a little embarrasing for him.

Cheaters are just people who can't play the game properly, but my god they
are annoying. Luckily there are few of them on my favourite servers.

[GBU]Juste.
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Can't really feel what international means"
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Rather that spend ages trying to get everybody to
> kick him i just left and joined another server, i'm not wasting my valuble
> game time playing against small-minded selfish idiots that want to mess up
> everybody elses enjoyment of the game. The sooner the kick voting gets
> sorted out the better.
>
> Kris Shoemaker wrote in message <8m4of2$orm$1...@cougar.golden.net>...
> >> >

BillyTheKid

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Aug 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/1/00
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I agree with all thats being said here,
but what also really bugs me is being accused of cheating by someone,when
of course you are not.
people that play this game regularly get to know places where campers may be
and fire through the wall in those places hopeing somebody will be there.
this can seem like cheating to people that dont know the maps so well but
very often isnt

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Michael Rae

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Aug 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/1/00
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but we have all seen examples of hideously obvious cheating and a random spray
though a wall or into a crate where we suspect someone is can be tol dpretty
easily from model/vid driver cheating ,
when someone awp's you from somewhere were it it literally impossible (in a
tunnel underground) then the cheating factor can be quite clearly noticed.

TooF

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Kris Shoemaker

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Aug 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/1/00
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Agreed, I do it myself. That's how I knew that this guy WAS cheating.
There was just know way that he could have predicted where they were going
to be.


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Mustang60348

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Aug 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/1/00
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I getting to be a very good player.....So occasionally I OWN a game. I don't
always play on my server because I figure I need the practise where my ping
is not less than 20....

Whenever I am called a cheater I always respond with this simple sentence
"Thanks for the compliment". When the usual response comes "WTF r u talking
about". I say "If you are accusing me of cheating , I must be getting pretty
good"

Juste

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Aug 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/1/00
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Sure, i kill ppl through the walls myself on occation (Assault or Estate
anyone?) and i know where people are stacked most of the time. What i am
talking about here is rampant cheating that is so obvious that it is silly.
Like shooting me through a wall when he has no line of sight and i am not
making a single sound (walking) and he could not possibly have known that i
am there.

MartinBlank

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Aug 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/1/00
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Funnily enough was subjected to the death by shots through walls myself
recently on Nuke.
Had stealthily made my way into a room without becoming visible to any
possible CT or made a noise when Bang ! I was lying in a pool of Blood :(
Ghosted to the spot to see neat group of bullet holes in wall where i had
been standing and no possible way the guy on the other side could have seen
me.
I've also been taken off the roof in Militia without even skylining myself
at all, yet some gimp with the awp manages to spot me shoot through wall and
roof to kill me.
PS is the mp5 supposed to shoot through kevlar? all the FAQ's i read says it
performs poorly against armour yep again someone always seems to do me in 1
or 2 shots

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Al

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Aug 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/1/00
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In the head it takes 1 to 3 shots of MP5, MAC10 or TMP. There seems to be
some sort of random factor there.

In the chest you can get about 4-6 bullets from an MP5 before dieing, and
5-15 bullets from MAC10 or TMP (well im a trigger franzy when it comes to
shooting someone with a TMP, thats maybe te reason).

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Nick Bennett

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Aug 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/1/00
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On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, MartinBlank wrote:

> PS is the mp5 supposed to shoot through kevlar? all the FAQ's i read says it
> performs poorly against armour yep again someone always seems to do me in 1
> or 2 shots

I find the recoil characteristics good for headshots. If I'm on a roll
[1] I find 2-4 shots are perfectly adequate to pin the enemy and then
track up to a headshot (only a couple may actually hit if I open up ASAP).
I've even whipped around a corner and taken out two in quick succession
without getting hit myself. With the TMP I tend to aim too low (force of
habit probably) and with most rifles I shoot over the head unless I take
the time to aim properly.

I maybe kill using headshots more often than plain and simple damage
accumulation, with the MP5 anyway. I _always_ aim for the head unless I'm
sniping. [2]

Cheers

Bennett

(AKA Rapport, who's lost his university connection and 20ms ping and will
have to return in the guise of a 56k modem :-(

[1] A rare occurance, but getting more common the more I play ;-)

[2] Funny episode. On siege, as I was flitting through the sewers as a
CT, I come across a T lying down in the water at the end of the tunnel.
I zoom in with my Aug and open up in 2-3 round bursts with the crosshairs
over his head. Red lights flashing, I continue in the knowledge I have
him lined up and will no doubt get a headshot. As my unfortunate body
flops down into the water I see him get up and run away, revealing a
beautiful head-shaped arch of bulletholes in the wall :-(

FlashFlood

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Aug 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/1/00
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> Whenever I am called a cheater I always respond with this simple
sentence
> "Thanks for the compliment". When the usual response comes "WTF r u
talking
> about". I say "If you are accusing me of cheating , I must be getting
pretty
> good"


what kind of a lame comeback is that? you sound like a tight-assed
english boy with that response. you wouldve sounded better with.. I
dont know.. "1 0wnz0rZ joo" or something ;-)
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Kris Shoemaker

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Aug 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/1/00
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Thnx for responding ppl.

This X-RAY bullshit just gets me pissed so I had to write about it.
Shooting through walls is ok because it is somewhat realistic. But the
seeing through them part just fucks up my beloved CS!

If anyone else out there has had to deal with this kinda crap, let's hear
about it. The more noise we make the more motivation gooseman and value
will have to patch this kinda crap as it develops.

Trying to stay alive with the new netcode is hard enough.

Cheers,

............Para_Sight


"Kris Shoemaker" <kr...@odc.ca> wrote in message
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> I was playing yesterday on de_dust and there was a CT called "MANIAC". I
> was a T defending the rushing CT's coming out of the tunnel. I was
perched
> up on the wall and got capped outta nowhere. When I came to in Ghost mode
I
> went to find my killer. The fricker was behind a box WAY at the start of
> the CT's end of the tunnel. There was no fuckin way he could have killed
me
> from there, I thought.
>
> Then (still watching him in Ghost mode) he walked up directly behind the
> green box in the tunnel (so no one could see him) and shot right through
it
> and killed a crouched sniping T at the top of the ramp. At that point I
got
> REALLY suspicious. THEN he looked straight upwards at the ceiling of the
> tunnel and shot and killed a T that was defending the cross roads inside
> part.
>
> I was really pissed by that point. I proceeded to rat the bastard out and
> get him kicked because other ppl had noticed similar stuff. WTF? Why do
> ppl suck? Are they that insecure with their CS abilities?
>

> Has anybody else seen shit like this? Got any stories? Tell them.
>

> .............Para_Sight
>
>

rupturedspleen

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Aug 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/3/00
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Sometimes when I join a game(about 1 in 100 times) the graphics are all
screwed up, wall edges leave trails as I move and can see "through" them, I
tried playing like this once for fun but even though I could see enemies
coming in the distance, I could also not tell whenn I was around a corner or
out in the open. I ended up getting killed a lot more despite my powers!

Also an experienced player can guess where an enemy might be. In
militia, a T shooting at the vent can hit someone inside it or aim for the
roof around the vent where CT hang out and peek in. Also guns poke through
doors, out from behind boxes and corners to give you away.

One last thing, if you have really good stereo speakers or head phones,
you can hear footsteps and guess where a player might be behind a door or
wall. Kind of like the sound of hostages being rescued or someone climing a
ldder might give them away. The sound can actually be picked up from far
away. In assault, if you are a CT running toward the building and you hear
smashing glass, you could guess its a T running to perch at the back door
and smashing the panes of glass against the wall for fun on the way. If you
had a gun powerful enough to shot through walls, you could aim at the spots
that you know the T's to sit guarding the back door and hope for the best.

Sometimes its not always cheats, it could just be an experienced player
(or in my failed experience, the odd graphic glitch)

Gord

MartinBlank <Martin...@notbtinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Funnily enough was subjected to the death by shots through walls myself
> recently on Nuke.
> Had stealthily made my way into a room without becoming visible to any
> possible CT or made a noise when Bang ! I was lying in a pool of Blood :(
> Ghosted to the spot to see neat group of bullet holes in wall where i had
> been standing and no possible way the guy on the other side could have
seen
> me.
> I've also been taken off the roof in Militia without even skylining myself
> at all, yet some gimp with the awp manages to spot me shoot through wall
and
> roof to kill me.

> PS is the mp5 supposed to shoot through kevlar? all the FAQ's i read says
it
> performs poorly against armour yep again someone always seems to do me in
1
> or 2 shots
>

Michael Rae

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Aug 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/3/00
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yes there are experienced players putting rounds though walls but unfrotnunantly
there are also peopl eusing model cheats and now the asus driver cheats

TooF

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Ryan Marrs

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Aug 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/3/00
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I agree. I have more than once been accused of cheating because I saw a
barrel of a gun stick through a door or something or a tiny piece of a shoe,
and I aimed at the wall to get more of a wounding shot at them. I use the
AWP very efficiently and when one gets too close for AWP (meaning less than
10 steps away) I whip out my pistol (usually default CT or #4 [can't
remember names right now]) and shoot them a LOT usually unloading an entire
clip into them before switching back to the awp for a "HOPING" last shot. I
got blamed for cheating for killing three rushing Ts with an AWP and my
pistol. Before I learned the use of the pistol, I was extremely vulnerable
as a sniper. Or the best thing is when you're on a LAN and have a family
member playing who yells "WATCH OUT" cuz he's in spec, and then you shoot
them through a wall ;P (been ages since I've done that, but still, I suppose
that's cheating in one way or another ;P).

Ryan

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