SMAC v3.0 coming!
David O. Corsi
info is from a post hidden away in another thread (perhaps you all know...)
"Yes, sorry, the hot spot is not so great. I've fixed it for version
3.0.
Brian Reynolds
Alpha Centauri Designer
FIRAXIS Games
On 19 Feb 1999 17:39:03 GMT, shu...@aol.com (Shutoro) wrote:
>My error is with artillary. I went to attack a
>stack of mindworms and ended up blowing
>up all the roads, farm, etc. around them.
>That little aiming crosshair is tricky to use!"
- DAVID
Nigel Doyle
Ver 3 on its way, but where is Ver 2 for the UK VERSION?
Tommy Kieffer Sørensden
> Excellent,
> Ver 3 on its way, but where is Ver 2 for the UK VERSION?
I'm wondering the exact same thing...
Heikki Sairanen
different?
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John Macvie
Sørensden <kie...@writeme.com> writes
>
> > Excellent,
> > Ver 3 on its way, but where is Ver 2 for the UK VERSION?
>
Probably some time after the rest of world is playing Ver 6
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Paul James
Heikki Sairanen wrote in message <7aro89$995$1...@news.koti.tpo.fi>...
>Yeah I've been waiting for it too... Why did Firaxis make the UK version
>different?
I called the EA tech support number last night and was told it was the EA
Europe policy to not allow the game to run without the CD being in the
drive. This requires a slightly different version of the main terran.exe
than the american version. Firaxis had nothing to do with the difference it
was all down to EA's idiocy. If you want to switch to version 2.0 have a
friend in the states email you the terran.exe file from the american version
and you will then find yourself able to apply the patch (and incidently play
without the cd as well)
Paul
Ralph Wesseling
<p...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
IN that case - please post the terran exe somewhere so we can access it.
I hate having to ensure that the CD is in the drive, seeing as I installed
the whole thing on my HDD.
R
John Macvie
<ra...@psy.vu.nl> writes
>In article <7au0sv$p...@wapping.ecs.soton.ac.uk>, "Paul James"
><p...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> Heikki Sairanen wrote in message <7aro89$995$1...@news.koti.tpo.fi>...
>> >Yeah I've been waiting for it too... Why did Firaxis make the UK version
>> >different?
>>
>>
>> I called the EA tech support number last night and was told it was the EA
>> Europe policy to not allow the game to run without the CD being in the
>> drive. This requires a slightly different version of the main terran.exe
>> than the american version. Firaxis had nothing to do with the difference it
>> was all down to EA's idiocy. If you want to switch to version 2.0 have a
>> friend in the states email you the terran.exe file from the american version
>> and you will then find yourself able to apply the patch (and incidently play
>> without the cd as well)
>>
Mike
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Stefan Blomskog wrote in message <36D28BEE...@canit.se>...
Paul James wrote:
If you want to switch to version 2.0 have a
friend in the states email you the terran.exe file from the american version
and you will then find yourself able to apply the patch (and incidently play
without the cd as well)
So, would any nice person be willing to do this? I have no personal friends in
the states (at least not anyone playing SMAC...) So if anyone of you US-people
would post a copy of terran.exe in this group, I and a few other europeans would
be really really really really grateful.
Or maybe I'm putting my foot in it now, and the EA-police will get my butt for this post....
In that case I never wrote this post, I have never heard of SMAC, and, actually I don't
even exist.....
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Brian Reynolds
<Jo...@dumfpc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <ralph-23029...@pi5.psy.vu.nl>, Ralph Wesseling
><ra...@psy.vu.nl> writes
>>In article <7au0sv$p...@wapping.ecs.soton.ac.uk>, "Paul James"
>><p...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Heikki Sairanen wrote in message <7aro89$995$1...@news.koti.tpo.fi>...
>>> >Yeah I've been waiting for it too... Why did Firaxis make the UK version
>>> >different?
>>>
>>>
>>> I called the EA tech support number last night and was told it was the EA
>>> Europe policy to not allow the game to run without the CD being in the
>>> drive. This requires a slightly different version of the main terran.exe
>>> than the american version. Firaxis had nothing to do with the difference it
>>> was all down to EA's idiocy. If you want to switch to version 2.0 have a
>>> friend in the states email you the terran.exe file from the american version
>>> and you will then find yourself able to apply the patch (and incidently play
>>> without the cd as well)
>>>
>EA Europe should have their balls well and truly kicked for that one.
In their defense, I'm given to understand that many European retailers
now -require- copy protection or they won't stock the product.
Paul James
Brian Reynolds wrote in message <36e1cd43...@news.clark.net>...
[snipped to save space]
>
>In their defense, I'm given to understand that many European retailers
>now -require- copy protection or they won't stock the product.
>
>Brian Reynolds
>Alpha Centauri Designer
>FIRAXIS Games
>
Any idea which retailers have this policy so that we can complain to them?
Paul
Ian Ferrin
Lots of AC copies are going to be STOLEN. Sorry, but copyright
infringement is unethical as well as illegal. Firaxis should have
have made the cd like the European version. The outrage against
against the European version is indicative of either 1) lack of
education about the illegal nature of making copies for your friends
or 2) willful unethical conduct.
Ian Ferrin
Brian Reynolds wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:19:11 +0000, John Macvie
> <Jo...@dumfpc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In article <ralph-23029...@pi5.psy.vu.nl>, Ralph Wesseling
> ><ra...@psy.vu.nl> writes
> >>In article <7au0sv$p...@wapping.ecs.soton.ac.uk>, "Paul James"
> >><p...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Heikki Sairanen wrote in message <7aro89$995$1...@news.koti.tpo.fi>...
> >>> >Yeah I've been waiting for it too... Why did Firaxis make the UK version
> >>> >different?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I called the EA tech support number last night and was told it was the EA
> >>> Europe policy to not allow the game to run without the CD being in the
> >>> drive. This requires a slightly different version of the main terran.exe
> >>> than the american version. Firaxis had nothing to do with the difference it
> >>> was all down to EA's idiocy. If you want to switch to version 2.0 have a
> >>> friend in the states email you the terran.exe file from the american version
> >>> and you will then find yourself able to apply the patch (and incidently play
> >>> without the cd as well)
> >>>
> >EA Europe should have their balls well and truly kicked for that one.
>
> In their defense, I'm given to understand that many European retailers
> now -require- copy protection or they won't stock the product.
>
> Brian Reynolds
> Alpha Centauri Designer
> FIRAXIS Games
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Christoph Nahr
Reynolds) wrote:
>In their defense, I'm given to understand that many European retailers
>now -require- copy protection or they won't stock the product.
Never heard that before. Sounds like a smokescreen of EA's to cover
their own policy of copy protection, especially since pointing fingers
at Europe is really popular among US publishers. I'll check back with
an insider but in the meantime, any ideas which retailers are supposed
to have such policies?
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> I just emailed it to you
>
What size is the terran.exe file?
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<brey...@firaxis.com> writes
>On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:19:11 +0000, John Macvie
><Jo...@dumfpc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <ralph-23029...@pi5.psy.vu.nl>, Ralph Wesseling
>><ra...@psy.vu.nl> writes
>>>In article <7au0sv$p...@wapping.ecs.soton.ac.uk>, "Paul James"
>>><p...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Heikki Sairanen wrote in message <7aro89$995$1...@news.koti.tpo.fi>...
>>>> >Yeah I've been waiting for it too... Why did Firaxis make the UK version
>>>> >different?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I called the EA tech support number last night and was told it was the EA
>>>> Europe policy to not allow the game to run without the CD being in the
>>>> drive. This requires a slightly different version of the main terran.exe
>>>> than the american version. Firaxis had nothing to do with the difference it
>>>> was all down to EA's idiocy. If you want to switch to version 2.0 have a
>>>> friend in the states email you the terran.exe file from the american version
>>>> and you will then find yourself able to apply the patch (and incidently play
>>>> without the cd as well)
>>>>
>>EA Europe should have their balls well and truly kicked for that one.
>
>now -require- copy protection or they won't stock the product.
>
>Alpha Centauri Designer
>FIRAXIS Games
>
of me see any logic in it. Piracy in Europe is no more or less prevalent
than it is in the US; and certainly a lot less prevalent than it is in
Asia, where they merely release the US version with a "For sale in Asia"
only sticker on the box.
John
John Macvie
e@End_.Of_.Message> writes
>NOT copyprotecting the American version is stupid on Firaxis' part.
>Lots of AC copies are going to be STOLEN. Sorry, but copyright
>infringement is unethical as well as illegal. Firaxis should have
>have made the cd like the European version. The outrage against
>against the European version is indicative of either 1) lack of
>education about the illegal nature of making copies for your friends
patch will NOT work with it.
jn...@my-dejanews.com
> NOT copyprotecting the American version is stupid on Firaxis' part.
> Lots of AC copies are going to be STOLEN. Sorry, but copyright
> infringement is unethical as well as illegal.
Technical correction: Copyright infrigement, like other torts are civil
offensives and not crimal offensives or crimes. Your not found guilty of
copyright infrigement, instead your found liable for copyright infridgement,
and the penalties are monatary, and can be for very large ammounts, but it
doesn't result in time behind bars unless one then refuses to pay and then
held in contempt of court.
> Firaxis should have
> have made the cd like the European version.
The requirement of having a CD in the drive (like the European version) is
fast becoming as ineffective a copyprotection scheme as a requirement that
one have the 5 1/4 inch disk it came in 5 to 10 years ago, with CD Rom
Writable drives so cheap, and continuing to drop in price.
Plus there's the following risks to legal owners for CD requirement:
1. What if the CD Rom goes bad? They might have to buy a new copy unless they
or someone made a copy of the CD.
2. What if their CD Rom Drive goes bad? With the CD requirement they now can't
play the game until they get a new CD Rom Drive or fix it.
Then there's the incovence of putting the CD in your drive everytime you want
ot play it if multiple programs you use need the CD in the drive.
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Danny Jansen
Do they really think that we in Europe copy that much more than in the US?
The stupid copy protection on many games lately, only causes discomfort and
bad service to European customers. Take for example RRT2 or Half Life. I
couldn't play these games until the first patches were released because my
cdromplayer didn't recognise the cd's.
Now again with SMAC: it's nice that there will be a V3.0 patch shortly but
as I have a UK version of SMAC I will probably have to wait for a long time
before I can use the patch. Thank you EA.
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Danny Jansen
Would you be so kind to email the terran.exe file to me too?
I, just like Stefan, don't have any friends in the US who play SMAC and
would be really really really really really really grateful if anyone of you
US-people would post the file.
Thanks in advance
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Stefan Blomskog wrote in message <36D28BEE...@canit.se>...
Paul James wrote:
If you want to switch to version 2.0 have a
friend in the states email you the terran.exe file from the
american version
and you will then find yourself able to apply the patch (and
incidently play
without the cd as well)
So, would any nice person be willing to do this? I have no personal
Keith Rohrer
David O. Corsi <dco...@fakeofcourse.wwa.com> wrote:
>I don't know if people know it but yet another patch is in the works, the
>info is from a post hidden away in another thread (perhaps you all know...)
>
>"Yes, sorry, the hot spot is not so great. I've fixed it for version
>3.0.
>
Keith
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Stefan Blomskog
Danny Jansen wrote:
> I really don't understand why there are different European and US versions.
> Do they really think that we in Europe copy that much more than in the US?
>
> The stupid copy protection on many games lately, only causes discomfort and
> bad service to European customers. Take for example RRT2 or Half Life. I
> couldn't play these games until the first patches were released because my
> cdromplayer didn't recognise the cd's.
>
> Now again with SMAC: it's nice that there will be a V3.0 patch shortly but
> as I have a UK version of SMAC I will probably have to wait for a long time
> before I can use the patch. Thank you EA.
Exactly!
Why the ¤&£$@!* should us suckers in Europe have to wait so long for v.2.0 and
even longer for v.3.0??
And, as someone in this thread pointed out, this kind of copy protection doesn't
really
stop people from copying the game, it just slows them down a bit.
But the main reason for the european irritation, in this case, is that we have
to wait for
the darn patches.......
her...@apostate.com
SMAC. I know that when I get my CD of bagpipe music, it's going to be playing in the
background while I play SMAC. Too bad I don't have the disk space to load the entire
game on my computer (barely met the minimum requirements, and then only by
uninstalling two or three resident games).
HA
Ian Ferrin wrote:
> NOT copyprotecting the American version is stupid on Firaxis' part.
> Lots of AC copies are going to be STOLEN. Sorry, but copyright
> infringement is unethical as well as illegal. Firaxis should have
> have made the cd like the European version. The outrage against
> against the European version is indicative of either 1) lack of
> education about the illegal nature of making copies for your friends
> or 2) willful unethical conduct.
>
> Ian Ferrin
>
> Brian Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:19:11 +0000, John Macvie
> > <Jo...@dumfpc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <ralph-23029...@pi5.psy.vu.nl>, Ralph Wesseling
> > ><ra...@psy.vu.nl> writes
> > >>In article <7au0sv$p...@wapping.ecs.soton.ac.uk>, "Paul James"
> > >><p...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Heikki Sairanen wrote in message <7aro89$995$1...@news.koti.tpo.fi>...
> > >>> >Yeah I've been waiting for it too... Why did Firaxis make the UK version
> > >>> >different?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I called the EA tech support number last night and was told it was the EA
> > >>> Europe policy to not allow the game to run without the CD being in the
> > >>> drive. This requires a slightly different version of the main terran.exe
> > >>> than the american version. Firaxis had nothing to do with the difference it
> > >>> was all down to EA's idiocy. If you want to switch to version 2.0 have a
> > >>> friend in the states email you the terran.exe file from the american version
> > >>> and you will then find yourself able to apply the patch (and incidently play
> > >>> without the cd as well)
> > >>>
> > >EA Europe should have their balls well and truly kicked for that one.
> >
> > In their defense, I'm given to understand that many European retailers
> > now -require- copy protection or they won't stock the product.
> >
> > Brian Reynolds
> > Alpha Centauri Designer
> > FIRAXIS Games
>
> --
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>
> NOT copyprotecting the American version is stupid on Firaxis' part.
> Lots of AC copies are going to be STOLEN. Sorry, but copyright
> infringement is unethical as well as illegal. Firaxis should have
> have made the cd like the European version. The outrage against
> against the European version is indicative of either 1) lack of
> education about the illegal nature of making copies for your friends
> or 2) willful unethical conduct.
You forgot alternative three, friend: unwillingness to sacrifice
convenience to the altar of the anti-piracy effort.
I had an -excellent- opportunity to do what you're suggesting... a full
install of the game didn't work, so I took it back to the store, after
which I received a fix from the guys at Firaxis tech support. Went back
and bought the game again; if it didn't make any money, they wouldn't
make more, right? ^_^
I paid for my copy. It's not going to go out to friends' houses, there
to make full intalls and return here; it's sitting in a little drawer
next to an extensive anime collection. (More accurately, it will be when
I get it off the top of my scanner when my room gets cleaned sometime.
AC cuts down on my interest in keeping everything spiffy.) I, sah, am
most emphatically not a pirate.
So why in the blue blazes should my full install require a CD?
No, I don't support piracy, but I also don't support companies that
assume that any effort to stop piracy is worth the cost in time and
annoyance to their consumers. Think about it; passwords pulled from the
instruction manual used to be the -norm- for computer games. Do you
really want to go back to those days? Well, do ya?
Kudos to Firaxis for valuing my sanity (what's left after I try playing
on the highest level of difficulty, anyway) and having faith that I'll
do as right by them as they've done by me. Kudos to all of you that went
out and supported them by making a purchase. And everybody that -is-
running off of a pirated copy... delete it. Transcendence isn't worth
your self-respect, and fifty bucks isn't -that- hard to come by. ;p
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Lars M. Nielsen
<co...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>One fine day in the middle of the night, Mike spoke:
>> I just emailed it to you
>>
>
>What size is the terran.exe file?
>
>Skrills for the Skrill God!&%$# SKREEEEEEEEEEEEE!&*!%$!#@
It's probably about the size of the UK version, which is 1.5 meg.
And hypothetically speaking ...
If some kind american soul decides to help their european brethren in
their hour of need, would they please make the exe file (v1.0)
available for download via HTTP or FTP, but not USENET, since me ISP
doesn't allow binaries larger than 200 KB (boo! hiss!).
If necessary e-mail me the link to the file. The adress is:
metatron AT vip DOT cybercity DOT dk
Remember: V1.0, not the patched exe.
Of course this is all purely hypothetical, since doing so would be
slightly illegal. ;->
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ours. You get the hazzle of making sure that US and UK patches are
available _at_the_same_time_ (get the hint?) or you will take all the flak
for not doing so. The publishers don't own the game and obviously don't
care.
If I were you I would try to get another publisher for my next game or make
demands on the publisher you have. If necessary, list publicly the
retailers that won't sell a US version and don't sell through them. You are
the one with enough economic muscle to pull this (not the buyers) and you
are the one who ultimately owns the problem whether you want it or not.
This state of affairs is not acceptable.
Robert Olesen.
Brian Reynolds <brey...@firaxis.com> wrote in article
<36e1cd43...@news.clark.net>...
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ago. I just fired it up to see if it worked (which it did), then
immediately downloaded patch 2.0 , which I installed. The game works
fine and I've been having a blast all week. Now, do I have the
European or the USA version? My manual is in english (thank god), but
the text on the box is all in Dutch. And it seems I have copy
protection, I can't remove the damned CD from the CDrom drive, even
though I copied the whole game to my HD.
Paul
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> In their defense, I'm given to understand that many European retailers
> now -require- copy protection or they won't stock the product.
Given the amount of cd burners out there, and the prevalence of ISO images
in the warez underground, it is an illusion - it only contributes to a
little frustration from the people around, and probably 1% reduction in
piracy.
I routinely have three or four games I'd like to play at any given time,
and I absolutely hate to have to fish their CD from the stack of games
and insert it when I want to fire a game.
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Tim Chown
>
> In their defense, I'm given to understand that many European retailers
> now -require- copy protection or they won't stock the product.
>
> Alpha Centauri Designer
> FIRAXIS Games
So, release a v2.0 (or v3.0) patch of the *US* game that overwrites
files, and doesn't diff them. Problem solved (for the players ;-)
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>
> If I were you I would try to get another publisher for my next game or make
> demands on the publisher you have. If necessary, list publicly the
> retailers that won't sell a US version and don't sell through them. You are
> the one with enough economic muscle to pull this (not the buyers) and you
> are the one who ultimately owns the problem whether you want it or not.
If Brian wanted to, he could release an overwrite patch in place of
a difference patch. That would work on the UK copy, but of course
EA UK might get stroppy about that. Questions is, would Firaxis
consider doing this?
In the meantime, get a US player to email you terran.exe (zip it
first, it's quite big ;-)
Sparky
Reynolds) wrote:
>>EA Europe should have their balls well and truly kicked for that one.
>
>In their defense, I'm given to understand that many European retailers
>now -require- copy protection or they won't stock the product.
>
Don't be so naive Brian.
benton smith
Nielsen) wrote:
~* snip *~
>If some kind american soul decides to help their european brethren in
>their hour of need, would they please make the exe file (v1.0)
>available for download via HTTP or FTP, but not USENET, since me ISP
>doesn't allow binaries larger than 200 KB (boo! hiss!).
There is a reason for this.
Binaries have no place on usenet.
May the One shine on us all, even if we have a cable modem.
benton.
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I speak only for myself.
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Paul Hyett
<p...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> writes
>>now -require- copy protection or they won't stock the product.
>>
>>Alpha Centauri Designer
>>FIRAXIS Games
>>
>
Or so we can boycott them! :)
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>Binaries have no place on usenet.
Sure they do. In binaries groups.
cheers,
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benton smith
wrote:
>benton smith <bento...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
>>Binaries have no place on usenet.
>
>Sure they do. In binaries groups.
Find me an ISP that doesn't have 12 hour or less expire time on those
groups if they carry them.
There is a reason for this.
May the One shine on us all, even if there is a film at eleven.
Th. Glon
I'm sure you have been becoming very very popular in Europe since yesterday
! :O)
If you're not absolutely tired of sending this terran.exe file... please,
send it to a poor french man, who doesn't even have a good translation of
the game to play with...
Many thanks in advance !
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Th. Glon wrote in message <7b1qj0$lvu$3...@front5.grolier.fr>...
Simon
benton smith wrote in message
snip
>>Sure they do. In binaries groups.
>
>Find me an ISP that doesn't have 12 hour or less expire time on those
>groups if they carry them.
Try Globalnet , Demon, Virgin, Remaq shall i go on
Simon
Simon
Avatar wrote in message <36D38C12...@pdq.net>...
>> Lots of AC copies are going to be STOLEN. Sorry, but copyright
>> infringement is unethical as well as illegal. Firaxis should have
>> have made the cd like the European version. The outrage against
>> against the European version is indicative of either 1) lack of
>> education about the illegal nature of making copies for your friends
>> or 2) willful unethical conduct.
Agreed entirely but
1) you are entitled by law in the UK to make a copy for personal use
2) The company are in breach of the sales of goods act as there product
does not work as advertised and to rub salt into the wound there is a fix
for the US Firaxis are not alone here
3) I will admit to using pirated S/W as i have wasted to much money on
Crap/buggy s/w over the years so i obtain the pirate if i like i'll go and
buy it if not it gets deleted ( dont buy they'll go bust no more good s/w)
End of Rant
Simon
AcK!
<dennis...@MAPSstudent.uva.nl>'s $2000 typewriter and wrote:
>Now again with SMAC: it's nice that there will be a V3.0 patch shortly but
>as I have a UK version of SMAC I will probably have to wait for a long time
>before I can use the patch. Thank you EA.
I'd be extremely pissed if I lived in Europe, but I don't, so I'm not. ;)
Ultima 9, Falcon 4, games I wanna get, which (will be) are released through EA.
TTYL
... Out of body. Back in 5 minutes.
krup...@yahoospa.com
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Gravity Sucks
Colen 'Not Colin' McAlister wrote in message ...
>One fine day in the middle of the night, benton smith spoke:
>
>>>>Binaries have no place on usenet.
>>>
>>>Sure they do. In binaries groups.
>>
>>Find me an ISP that doesn't have 12 hour or less expire time on those
>>groups if they carry them.
>
.
AcK!
her...@apostate.com's $2000 typewriter and wrote:
>Or of someone who can't play their favorite music CD in their computer while playing
>SMAC. I know that when I get my CD of bagpipe music, it's going to be playing in the
>background while I play SMAC. Too bad I don't have the disk space to load the entire
>game on my computer (barely met the minimum requirements, and then only by
>uninstalling two or three resident games).
With the NA version, any install is enough to play without the CD - but you'll be
missing the multimedia stuff for the price of playing your own music, if you can't
spare extra space.
TTYL
... I'm not nearly as think as you confused I am.
Andrew R. Gillett
> On 24 Feb 1999 18:57:59 GMT, c...@dillinger-2.io.com (Cyberspace Buddha)
> wrote:
> >benton smith <bento...@mediaone.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Sure they do. In binaries groups.
>
> Find me an ISP that doesn't have 12 hour or less expire time on those
> groups if they carry them.
My ISP expires posts in those groups after two days.
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Colen 'Not Colin' McAlister
>>>Binaries have no place on usenet.
>>
>>Sure they do. In binaries groups.
>
>Find me an ISP that doesn't have 12 hour or less expire time on those
>groups if they carry them.
I'm not sure if this'll be any help to you, but Demon Internet in the UK
has a full, non-censored newsfeed, with a 2-day expire on binaries
groups.
Skrills for the Skrill God!&%$# SKREEEEEEEEEEEEE!&*!%$!#@
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Caton
To whom it may concern:
Dear usenet poster,
Piracy threads have a sort of toxicity similar to the dreaded
gun-control thread. There's the 'bad' camp, the 'good' camp and the
'limited use' camp. They slug it out for a few weeks and a few thousand
posts. Nobody changes their mind about anything. Everyone goes home
tired and irritated.
Please bear this in mind before you post.
And now, my two cents:
That CD protection discourages piracy is debatable.
That a lack of CD protection *encourages* it is also debatable.
Because of this, everyone can merrily argue away, secure in the
knowledge that there is no hard data out there that can prove anyone
100% wrong. In order to obtain such data, a *valid* comparison would
have to be made between protected and non-protected sales. Actual sales
figures are notoriously fuzzy. It's impossible, without the use of some
kind of alternate universe generator, to obtain two sets of data for the
same country, and the same game, released at the same time, one with
protection, and the other without.
Also, the salesweasels don't give a shit about decreasing piracy. They
want increased *sales* (yes, for those of you who don't walk upright,
there *is* a difference). The *real* question is:
How does the *increase* in sales gained from a more desirable product
(i.e. one with CD protection) compare to the *decrease* caused by
'improved piratability'. There are very good arguments as to why both
factors are negligible when talking about CD protection schemes, and
they're fairly obvious (to me, at least :) so I won't enumerate them.
To finish, I'd like to point out the approach taken by id software with
Quake2. Release the game *with* protection. After x months (once the
weasels are happy with all the money they've siphoned off the developers
and the punters), release a no-CD patch. Everyone's happy.
Righto.
--
Caton Little
Rasta Kyle
>NOT copyprotecting the American version is stupid on Firaxis' part.
>Lots of AC copies are going to be STOLEN. Sorry, but copyright
>infringement is unethical as well as illegal. Firaxis should have
>have made the cd like the European version. The outrage against
>against the European version is indicative of either 1) lack of
>education about the illegal nature of making copies for your friends
>or 2) willful unethical conduct.
>Ian Ferrin
What do you mean stupid? I fail to see why by not fucking over their
American customers they've done something stupid. I know I paid
for my copy and I'm always glad when a software company, or any
company, thinks of their paying customers first instead of treating
EVERYONE like they are crooks.
1) We all know it is illegal
2) Of course it's unethical
I think the Brits are getting the short end of the stick ...IMHO.
Paul James
>Ian Ferrin wrote:
>
>> NOT copyprotecting the American version is stupid on Firaxis' part.
>> Lots of AC copies are going to be STOLEN. Sorry, but copyright
>> infringement is unethical as well as illegal. Firaxis should have
>> have made the cd like the European version. The outrage against
>> against the European version is indicative of either 1) lack of
>> education about the illegal nature of making copies for your friends
>> or 2) willful unethical conduct.
>>
>> Ian Ferrin
>>
However you have missed one major point of the problem - on the alpha
centauri web site someone asked _before_ the game was released whether in a
multi-player game one cd would be needed per person, a system similar to
warcraft with 1 cd per 3 people or 1 cd per game would be required. Firaxis
responded that it would be 1 cd per game. Some people have then gone and
bought the european version of smac only to find out they now need 1 copy
per player in multiplayer and are thus justifiably annoyed.
Note also in another post someone contacted EA Europe direct to find out if
the US version would differ from the european version and was told it
wasn't.
Imagine if nintendo, sony or sega brought out a console which came with a
free game playable by 4 people simultaneously and informed anyone who asked
before it was released it came with 4 controllers. Imagine how much of an
outcry there would be if lots of people bought the console and only then
found out if they wanted to play a four player game they would have to go
out and buy 3 more controllers.
Paul
Stefan Blomskog
Yep, You said it.
chris...@compaq.com
terran.exe file from the US to ch...@mornstar.demon.co.uk I would be very
grateful.
I hate having to put the CD in the drive for any game. Firstly I like to play
music CD's, and secondly I get a heap of CD's sitting on my desk or my
computer because I cant be bothered to walk through the incredible mess in
the spare room to fight my way to the CD cabinet:)
In article <7au0sv$p...@wapping.ecs.soton.ac.uk>,
"Paul James" <p...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Heikki Sairanen wrote in message <7aro89$995$1...@news.koti.tpo.fi>...
> >Yeah I've been waiting for it too... Why did Firaxis make the UK version
> >different?
>
> I called the EA tech support number last night and was told it was the EA
> Europe policy to not allow the game to run without the CD being in the
> drive. This requires a slightly different version of the main terran.exe
> than the american version. Firaxis had nothing to do with the difference it
> was all down to EA's idiocy. If you want to switch to version 2.0 have a
> friend in the states email you the terran.exe file from the american version
> and you will then find yourself able to apply the patch (and incidently play
> without the cd as well)
>
> Paul
>
>
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James Dusek
Si...@unikey.freeserve.co.uk says...
> >> infringement is unethical as well as illegal. Firaxis should have
> >> have made the cd like the European version. The outrage against
> >> against the European version is indicative of either 1) lack of
> >> education about the illegal nature of making copies for your friends
> >> or 2) willful unethical conduct.
> 1) you are entitled by law in the UK to make a copy for personal use
> 2) The company are in breach of the sales of goods act as there product
> does not work as advertised and to rub salt into the wound there is a fix
> for the US Firaxis are not alone here
Don't y'all understand by now?
We yanks HATE Europeans.
You pirate our software, insult our country and don't give us
credit, when credit is due.
So to strike back, we ship all our software late to you, sometimes
months after a U.S. release, and only worry about patching the U.S.
versions, if we have time we'll patch the euro versions.
When we translate manuals into other languages beside American, we
do it poorly, not becasue we can't do it better, it's just not worth our
time to do it right. Doing it right would also require hiring Europeans
to chech the manuals, and that's not something we want to do.
So, as you can see, it's all a big Yank plot to piss off
Europeans.
:) (<- for the humor impared)
James Dusek
John Glover
<du...@cadsun.corp.mot.com> writes
>In article <919900153.18408.1...@news.demon.co.uk>,
>Si...@unikey.freeserve.co.uk says...
>> Avatar wrote in message <36D38C12...@pdq.net>...
>> >> Lots of AC copies are going to be STOLEN. Sorry, but copyright
>> >> infringement is unethical as well as illegal. Firaxis should have
>> >> have made the cd like the European version. The outrage against
>> >> against the European version is indicative of either 1) lack of
>> >> education about the illegal nature of making copies for your friends
>> >> or 2) willful unethical conduct.
>> Agreed entirely but
>> 1) you are entitled by law in the UK to make a copy for personal use
>> 2) The company are in breach of the sales of goods act as there product
>> does not work as advertised and to rub salt into the wound there is a fix
>> for the US Firaxis are not alone here
>
> Don't y'all understand by now?
>
> We yanks HATE Europeans.
Er.. really as much as we hate you arrogant and insular assholes.
>
> You pirate our software, insult our country and don't give us
>credit, when credit is due.
Credit for what exactly? Being overweight, losing wars and having a sex
case for a president. Fuck me us Europeans are well jealous of this
shit. NOT!!
>
>
> So to strike back, we ship all our software late to you, sometimes
>months after a U.S. release, and only worry about patching the U.S.
>versions, if we have time we'll patch the euro versions.
yeah right, which is why we sit back and watch you children shoot
yourselves in the foot. ( Quite literally at times it seems ).
>
> When we translate manuals into other languages beside American, we
>do it poorly, not becasue we can't do it better, it's just not worth our
>time to do it right. Doing it right would also require hiring Europeans
>to chech the manuals, and that's not something we want to do.
Translate your manuals into other languages beside American? I think you
mean ENGLISH from ENGLAND, you know that language WE lent you and you
butchered because you cannot spell it correctly. Keep trying retard we
are all having a laugh at your expense here.
>
> So, as you can see, it's all a big Yank plot to piss off
>Europeans.
Well we are too busy laughing at your domestic affairs, to wonder about
any stupid plot that might or might not be a figment of your
imagination.
>
>
>:) (<- for the humor impared)
>
>James Dusek
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Nice one
Simon
K. Laisathit
John Glover <jo...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> So, as you can see, it's all a big Yank plot to piss off
>>Europeans.
>>
>
>Well we are too busy laughing at your domestic affairs, to wonder about
>any stupid plot that might or might not be a figment of your
>imagination.
Lighten up buddy. Didn't you see the smiley?
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James Dusek
jo...@nospam.demon.co.uk says...
> >credit, when credit is due.
> Credit for what exactly? Being overweight, losing wars and having a sex
> case for a president. Fuck me us Europeans are well jealous of this
> shit. NOT!!
I'm sorry you feel that way. Americans are overweight becasue we
have lots of good food to eat. People all over the world agree, English
food is terrible.
> > So to strike back, we ship all our software late to you, sometimes
> >months after a U.S. release, and only worry about patching the U.S.
> >versions, if we have time we'll patch the euro versions.
> yeah right, which is why we sit back and watch you children shoot
> yourselves in the foot. ( Quite literally at times it seems ).
> > When we translate manuals into other languages beside American, we
> >do it poorly, not becasue we can't do it better, it's just not worth our
> >time to do it right. Doing it right would also require hiring Europeans
> >to chech the manuals, and that's not something we want to do.
> Translate your manuals into other languages beside American? I think you
> mean ENGLISH from ENGLAND, you know that language WE lent you and you
> butchered because you cannot spell it correctly. Keep trying retard we
> are all having a laugh at your expense here.
Well, lets see, let me fix some of your sentances into proper American.
You say,
> Fuck me us Europeans are well jealous of this shit. NOT!!
The correct American is,
Fuck me, we europeans are very jelous of this shit. NOT!
You say,
> yeah right, which is why we sit back and watch you children shoot
> yourselves in the foot. ( Quite literally at times it seems ).
The correct American is,
Ya right, which is why we sit back and watch yo children shoot demselfs
in the foot. ( I have no idea why the English like to keep putting a
"u" into every word.)
> Well we are too busy laughing at your domestic affairs, to wonder about
> any stupid plot that might or might not be a figment of your
> imagination.
Yes, it is working. Our "domestic affairs" are really covering up
massive U.S. troop movements all over the world in preperation for global
conquest. We will conqure the planet, we will control this earth, we will
finally force all people of this planet to spell color correctly. ( i.e.
without the u.)
James Dusek
:)
:) (<- in case y'all miss the first one.)
Krud
>
>Well we are too busy laughing at your domestic affairs, to wonder about
>any stupid plot that might or might not be a figment of your
>imagination.
Is Prince Chales (that's my british accent imitation) still dressing up as a
tampon? Maybe we can dress him up as a cigar and fix him up with Monica
Lewinsky. What d'ya think?
-Krud
Krud
>
> When we translate manuals into other languages beside American, we
>do it poorly, not becasue we can't do it better, it's just not worth our
>time to do it right. Doing it right would also require hiring Europeans
>to chech the manuals, and that's not something we want to do.
What makes them think that the American manuals don't have errors? The
American game companies can't even get the American manuals right half the
time. Them damn foreigners don't seem to understand that!
-Krud
Krud
>
>What do you mean stupid? I fail to see why by not fucking over their
>American customers they've done something stupid.
Because we are American consumers. We like getting fucked over.
-Krud
John Glover
writes
>On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:05:21 +0000, John Glover <jo...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>[ snip buttloads of anti-american comments in response to a humorous post]
>
>>John Glover.
>
>Hey fuckhead, kiss my killfile.
If my fist dont connect with your jaw first.
Jon Nunn
> Ya right, which is why we sit back and watch yo children shoot demselfs
> in the foot. ( I have no idea why the English like to keep putting a
> "u" into every word.)
>
Where I live (SW suburbs of Nashville), very few people people I know use the
word "yo", I think it's a cultural thing, since I heard the phrase more often
when I was living in SE suburbs of Memphis.
> > Well we are too busy laughing at your domestic affairs, to wonder about
> > any stupid plot that might or might not be a figment of your
> > imagination.
>
> Yes, it is working. Our "domestic affairs" are really covering up
> massive U.S. troop movements all over the world in preperation for global
> conquest. We will conqure the planet, we will control this earth, we will
> finally force all people of this planet to spell color correctly. ( i.e.
> without the u.)
>
LOL
Jon Nunn
Programmer Analyst
Friends Don't Let Friends Do Cobol
http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/users/nunnacl/personal.html
John Glover
<au...@mindspring.com> writes
>John Glover wrote in message ...
>>
>>any stupid plot that might or might not be a figment of your
>>imagination.
>
>
>tampon? Maybe we can dress him up as a cigar and fix him up with Monica
>Lewinsky. What d'ya think?
>
>-Krud
>
>
knows a tampon is useful, I mean a tampon just acts as a sponge for
blood where Chales as you say is too busy sponging off the taxpayer.
Monicas welcome to him and at least she is slightly prettier than the
beat up old bag he is dating at the moment.
What do the others think? Would Monica make a good Queen? How would she
decorate the castle? Would she suck off Blair at the first chance?
John Glover
<du...@cadsun.corp.mot.com> writes
>In article <w$$S4FARL...@j-glover.demon.co.uk>,
>jo...@nospam.demon.co.uk says...
>> In article <MPG.113f30d89...@news.cig.mot.com>, James Dusek
>> <du...@cadsun.corp.mot.com> writes
>> > You pirate our software, insult our country and don't give us
>> >credit, when credit is due.
>> Credit for what exactly? Being overweight, losing wars and having a sex
>> case for a president. Fuck me us Europeans are well jealous of this
>> shit. NOT!!
>
> I'm sorry you feel that way. Americans are overweight becasue we
>have lots of good food to eat. People all over the world agree, English
>food is terrible.
Having good food is one thing, but knowing when to stop shovelling it
into your faces is another.
>
>
>> > So to strike back, we ship all our software late to you, sometimes
>> >months after a U.S. release, and only worry about patching the U.S.
>> >versions, if we have time we'll patch the euro versions.
>> yeah right, which is why we sit back and watch you children shoot
>> yourselves in the foot. ( Quite literally at times it seems ).
>> > When we translate manuals into other languages beside American, we
>> >do it poorly, not becasue we can't do it better, it's just not worth our
>> >time to do it right. Doing it right would also require hiring Europeans
>> >to chech the manuals, and that's not something we want to do.
>> Translate your manuals into other languages beside American? I think you
>> mean ENGLISH from ENGLAND, you know that language WE lent you and you
>> butchered because you cannot spell it correctly. Keep trying retard we
>> are all having a laugh at your expense here.
>
> Well, lets see, let me fix some of your sentances into proper American.
Don't you all just love the way this guy spells sentence?
>You say,
>
>> Fuck me us Europeans are well jealous of this shit. NOT!!
>
> The correct American is,
>
> Fuck me, we europeans are very jelous of this shit. NOT!
More like "Fuck me us Europeans are growing tired of your endless shit".
>You say,
>
>> yeah right, which is why we sit back and watch you children shoot
>> yourselves in the foot. ( Quite literally at times it seems ).
>
> The correct American is,
>
>Ya right, which is why we sit back and watch yo children shoot demselfs
>in the foot. ( I have no idea why the English like to keep putting a
>"u" into every word.)
I could explain it to him but I feel it might just go over his head, if
yoU know what I mean.....
>
>> Well we are too busy laughing at your domestic affairs, to wonder about
>> any stupid plot that might or might not be a figment of your
>> imagination.
>
> Yes, it is working. Our "domestic affairs" are really covering up
>massive U.S. troop movements all over the world in preperation for global
>conquest. We will conqure the planet, we will control this earth, we will
>finally force all people of this planet to spell color correctly. ( i.e.
>without the u.)
Jeez now you have got me scared, I am white with fear. Well at least I
think that is the coloUr.
>
>James Dusek
>
>:)
>:) (<- in case y'all miss the first one.)
>
--
Shiva
James Dusek wrote:
> So to strike back, we ship all our software late to you, sometimes
> months after a U.S. release, and only worry about patching the U.S.
> versions, if we have time we'll patch the euro versions.
Yeah thats for the spice girls ya bastards ;)
Shiva
Krud
>I could explain it to him but I feel it might just go over his head, if
>yoU know what I mean.....
Sort of like the way all these *jokes* are going right over your head? For
God's sake man, where's your sense of humor?
-Krud
Nomen Nesco
>-SNIP-
>In their defense, I'm given to understand that many European retailers
>now -require- copy protection or they won't stock the product.
>
>Brian Reynolds
>Alpha Centauri Designer
>FIRAXIS Games
Sir!
If we Europeans have to wait to get a crippled sub standard version
of a product they will soon not have to bother stocking products.
Luckily VISA and post by air is available at least to me.
I have decided to stop bying euroversions from ea for starters.
On the other hand,
most software retailers here in Sweden do stock for example LINUX...
That is -not- copy protected as far as I know. :)
Finally, I would very much like to send a large swarm of mindworms to
the EA euro-office for this insult to the Firaxis team and us (read
eu) customers.
Yours kindly, Stefan.
James Dusek
jo...@nospam.demon.co.uk says...
> >have lots of good food to eat. People all over the world agree, English
> >food is terrible.
> Having good food is one thing, but knowing when to stop shovelling it
> into your faces is another.
That's easy for you to say. when htere is crap on your plate, not
eating is an easy thing to do. Try heading over to France for some good
food, abiet in small quantities with rude service.
> >Ya right, which is why we sit back and watch yo children shoot demselfs
> >in the foot. ( I have no idea why the English like to keep putting a
> >"u" into every word.)
> I could explain it to him but I feel it might just go over his head, if
> yoU know what I mean.....
Yo man, yo can't explain the unexplainable.
> > Yes, it is working. Our "domestic affairs" are really covering up
> >massive U.S. troop movements all over the world in preperation for global
> >conquest. We will conqure the planet, we will control this earth, we will
> >finally force all people of this planet to spell color correctly. ( i.e.
> >without the u.)
> Jeez now you have got me scared, I am white with fear. Well at least I
> think that is the coloUr.
I just showed your postings to the person who will be in charge of
the reeducation camps in England, he has agreed totally that you should
be placed in the "humor" ( humour for you non American Speaking folks)
camp and after you graduate from there, the American Language camp were
you'll learn the correct spelling of words like
patatoe
color
armor
sentance
After that, it's onto the usage reeducation camp where you'll
learn things like,
truck ( not lorrie)
hood ( not bonnet)
After that it's on to the Drivers reeducation camp where you'll
learn to drive on the right side of the road.
James Dusek
John Macvie
<jo...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes>>John Glover wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>Well we are too busy laughing at your domestic affairs, to wonder about
>>>any stupid plot that might or might not be a figment of your
>>>imagination.
>>
>>
>>tampon? Maybe we can dress him up as a cigar and fix him up with Monica
>>Lewinsky. What d'ya think?
>>
>>-Krud
>>
>>
>You know something I think that is a real insult to tampons. Everybody
>knows a tampon is useful, I mean a tampon just acts as a sponge for
>blood where Chales as you say is too busy sponging off the taxpayer.
>Monicas welcome to him and at least she is slightly prettier than the
>beat up old bag he is dating at the moment.
>
>What do the others think? Would Monica make a good Queen? How would she
>decorate the castle? Would she suck off Blair at the first chance?
cunts after all :)
John
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her...@apostate.com
1.0, while we 'Murkins are playing SMAC v. 2.0 and are already expecting v.
3.0. It's SMAC-envy, pure and simple. <insert smiley, for the humour
impaired... yeah, that means you!>
HA
Krud wrote:
> John Glover wrote in message <1viTsCAn...@j-glover.demon.co.uk>...
>
> >I could explain it to him but I feel it might just go over his head, if
> >yoU know what I mean.....
>
Alastair Chisholm
It's supposed to be the _Americans_ who don't understand irony, not us.
Do you have any idea how embarrassing that email was for the rest of us?
>In article <w$$S4FARL...@j-glover.demon.co.uk>,
>jo...@nospam.demon.co.uk says a load of old cobblers
Rune Moberg
> Now I'm confused... I bought the game in the Netherlands about a week
> ago. I just fired it up to see if it worked (which it did), then
> immediately downloaded patch 2.0 , which I installed. The game works
> fine and I've been having a blast all week. Now, do I have the
> European or the USA version? My manual is in english (thank god), but
Check if your original terran.exe file is 3MB or 1.5MB. The UK version
features a compressed EXE file (probably to make it more "difficult" for
crackers to remove the copyprotection).
The patch (atleast here) refused to install itself, until I got my hands
on the US version of terran.exe that is.
I've been screwed royally by BlueByte over similar issues lately, and
put up the following webpage: http://runesbike.com/BlueByte which is a
summary of all the issues related to their faulty copyprotection scheme
and how it affects various users.
If retailers refuse to carry non-copyprotected games, then someone
should stand up to them. The CD copyprotection inherent design dictates
that it will fail with various CD and DVD drives. RRT2, S3 and now SMAC
are all proof of that. The copyprotection scheme really constitutes
another CD standard, and once drive manufacturers conform to this,
you'll be able to copy the CD anyway... (if not already) In short: if
you're able to run the CD, then you should also be able to copy it.
Sigh.
Hence Firaxis should've told EA UK to bugger off, and let them know that
they can either make money distributing the regular US version, or not
make money by continue pushing the abysmal games they'd be stuck with
otherwise. If EA UK and its retailers had pushed the issue, then
European gamers would be forced to order from the states, and would be
better off in the end with such an arrangment. Less money to the corrupt
distributors and more to Firaxis. (and more bang for the buck for
European gamers)
As I've stated on my webpage, I buy a lot of games. As of right now on I
see no other option than to take my business to mailorder companies in
the States. :-(
--
Rune, http://runesbike.com
Rune Moberg
> How does the *increase* in sales gained from a more desirable product
> (i.e. one with CD protection) compare to the *decrease* caused by
> 'improved piratability'. There are very good arguments as to why both
> factors are negligible when talking about CD protection schemes, and
> they're fairly obvious (to me, at least :) so I won't enumerate them.
The issue to me is whether copyprotection breaks functionality or not.
SMAC's implementation (enforced by EA UK)
- doesn't work with DVD drives
- has problems in various other configurations
- forces people to have one CD per computer in LAN games
- makes it impossible for those of us who want to play regular CD music
instead of the game's music
In short: less value [1] for the buck.
And SMAC isn't the only game distributed in Europe which does this.
(merely the most recent, one would think they would've learned by now?)
[1] and indeed; in some cases *no value* (when the game won't spin at
all because it doesn't recognise the original CD)
--
Rune, http://runesbike.com
Magnus Lind
to download the us terran.exe to get the game to start! (have a DVD player)
I also hade some trubble with Commandos behind enemy lines on my previus
(sp?) computer. The game started fine and the intromovie played from the cd
but when I clicked to start singelplayer the game made a cd check and
couldn't find the CD!! I solved it by finding a nocd file.
I really hate the fact that I who bougth the game end up in trouble cos of
pirates forcing EA to add copyprotection. And since I now got 2 computers I
want to play all the games I buy over LAN but that wasn't possible until a
got the us terran.exe either. I _really_ hated that.
Magnus
Rune Moberg wrote <36D7FC4C...@runesbike.com>...
AcK!
<jn...@my-dejanews.com>'s $2000 typewriter and wrote:
>> Yes, it is working. Our "domestic affairs" are really covering up
>> massive U.S. troop movements all over the world in preperation for global
>> conquest. We will conqure the planet, we will control this earth, we will
>> finally force all people of this planet to spell color correctly. ( i.e.
>> without the u.)
>>
>LOL
Yeah, and destroy the evil metric system.
Wait a minute, your military seems to be using the metric system... ;)
TTYL
... It takes ten years to get used to how old you are.
krup...@yahoospa.com
remove "spa" to email
athol-brose
>I routinely have three or four games I'd like to play at any given time,
>and I absolutely hate to have to fish their CD from the stack of games
>and insert it when I want to fire a game.
If you only have three or four games, that's not a very big stack. I have
about 10 games installed on my PC, and all 10 CDs are in a little wooden
crate to the side. The only one I don't bother to put in is Pinball Arcade,
because I prefer to play Slick Chick without music anyways, thank you.
r. n. dominick -- cinn...@one.net
athol-brose
wrote:
>If Brian wanted to, he could release an overwrite patch in place of
>a difference patch. That would work on the UK copy, but of course
>EA UK might get stroppy about that. Questions is, would Firaxis
>consider doing this?
Please, not in place of. No reason for the US gamers to be stuck with a
freakin' HUGE download so the UK gamers -- who are getting a raw deal, don't
get me wrong -- will be able to update as well. There's a good reason for
diff patches.
Mark Willoughby
James Dusek wrote in message ...
>jo...@nospam.demon.co.uk says...
>> In article <MPG.113f8ebc...@news.cig.mot.com>, James Dusek
>> <du...@cadsun.corp.mot.com> writes
>> > I'm sorry you feel that way. Americans are overweight becasue we
>> >have lots of good food to eat. People all over the world agree, English
>> >food is terrible.
>> Having good food is one thing, but knowing when to stop shovelling it
>> into your faces is another.
>
> That's easy for you to say. when htere is crap on your plate, not
>eating is an easy thing to do. Try heading over to France for some good
>food, abiet in small quantities with rude service.
>
>> >Ya right, which is why we sit back and watch yo children shoot demselfs
>> >in the foot. ( I have no idea why the English like to keep putting a
>> >"u" into every word.)
>
>> yoU know what I mean.....
>
>
>> >massive U.S. troop movements all over the world in preperation for
global
>> >conquest. We will conqure the planet, we will control this earth, we
will
>> >finally force all people of this planet to spell color correctly. ( i.e.
>> >without the u.)
>
>> think that is the coloUr.
>
> I just showed your postings to the person who will be in charge of
>the reeducation camps in England, he has agreed totally that you should
>be placed in the "humor" ( humour for you non American Speaking folks)
>camp and after you graduate from there, the American Language camp were
>you'll learn the correct spelling of words like
>
>patatoe
>color
>armor
>sentance
>
> After that, it's onto the usage reeducation camp where you'll
>learn things like,
>
>truck ( not lorrie)
>hood ( not bonnet)
>
> After that it's on to the Drivers reeducation camp where you'll
>learn to drive on the right side of the road.
>
>James Dusek
Please ignore the previos poster. He is envios of yor contry.
When the invasiun happens, can I be excused Clothing reeducation camp, as
England is a bit cold to wear pants instead of trousers (damn! trosers,
sorry).
Mark Willoughby (soon to be Mark Willoghby)
no_spam_...@wxs.nl
wrote:
>no_spam_...@wxs.nl wrote:
>> Now I'm confused... I bought the game in the Netherlands about a week
>> ago. I just fired it up to see if it worked (which it did), then
>> immediately downloaded patch 2.0 , which I installed. The game works
>> fine and I've been having a blast all week. Now, do I have the
>> European or the USA version? My manual is in english (thank god), but
>
>Check if your original terran.exe file is 3MB or 1.5MB. The UK version
>features a compressed EXE file (probably to make it more "difficult" for
>crackers to remove the copyprotection).
>
>The patch (atleast here) refused to install itself, until I got my hands
>on the US version of terran.exe that is.
I checked. I have the 1.5 Mb file, but the patch installed OK here...
I'm not having much problems with the copy protection either, other
than the fact that it is a pain that I have to put the CD back in
every time I want to play. (I often put in a music CD when I'm doing
other stuff).
Paul
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John Glover
Chisholm <alastair...@hotmail.com> writes
>John...
>
>It's supposed to be the _Americans_ who don't understand irony, not us.
>Do you have any idea how embarrassing that email was for the rest of us?
The irony is they never understood the reply and took it seriously, even
more ironic that you should make the same mistake. Please I don't think
anyone requires you to be embarrassed for them, and just who do you
speak for anyway when you say *us*. I never realised you were elected
the newsgroup nanny.
Henrik Lind
>On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:58:33 +0100, Rune Moberg <r...@runesbike.com>
>wrote:
>>The patch (atleast here) refused to install itself, until I got my hands
>>on the US version of terran.exe that is.
>I checked. I have the 1.5 Mb file, but the patch installed OK here...
>I'm not having much problems with the copy protection either, other
>than the fact that it is a pain that I have to put the CD back in
>every time I want to play. (I often put in a music CD when I'm doing
>other stuff).
Are you sure that the patch has been installed ?
Can you play "HOTSEAT" ? (that's a NEW option that comes with v2)
Also the patch has not been installed if you are not able to play with
out the CD.....
...
Henrik Lind
Alastair Chisholm
jo...@nospam.demon.co.uk says...
> In article <MPG.11407eab8...@nnrp.uk.insnet.net>, Alastair
> Chisholm <alastair...@hotmail.com> writes
> >John...
> >
> >It's supposed to be the _Americans_ who don't understand irony, not us.
> >Do you have any idea how embarrassing that email was for the rest of us?
>
> The irony is they never understood the reply and took it seriously, even
> more ironic that you should make the same mistake.
There's a not-really-very fine line between humour and abuse, and I
thought your response crossed it. You deserved to be laughed at, because
your response to the first post was so wildly out of proportion.
>Please I don't think
> anyone requires you to be embarrassed for them, and just who do you
> speak for anyway when you say *us*.
Well, when you decided to advance anglo-american relationships by saying
that "we hate you arrogant and insular assholes" who were _you_ speaking
for? I'm speaking for all the rest... :-) And besides, I get tired of
threads like this constantly turning into a "US vs Rest Of World"
screaming match. It's always only a matter of time before we get WWII,
Vietnam, gun laws, jerry springer, blah blah blah.
>I never realised you were elected
> the newsgroup nanny.
>
Yeah, well, it was really just a small election. There was just me and
this xenophobe, and he doesn't really seem like someone interested in
other people's points of view.
John Glover
Chisholm <alastair...@hotmail.com> writes
<snip>
Alastair cannot be bothered to show the snips concerned so maybe i will
do it on his behalf. Maybe he unquoted text to simply support his
argument. Whatever that was?!
>
>There's a not-really-very fine line between humour and abuse, and I
>thought your response crossed it. You deserved to be laughed at, because
>your response to the first post was so wildly out of proportion.
And yet you as a Brit did not see the humour...? Shame. What irony. And
there was you telling the world about the difference between Brit and
Yank humour.
>>Please I don't think
>> anyone requires you to be embarrassed for them, and just who do you
>> speak for anyway when you say *us*.
>
>Well, when you decided to advance anglo-american relationships by saying
>that "we hate you arrogant and insular assholes" who were _you_ speaking
>for? I'm speaking for all the rest... :-) And besides, I get tired of
>threads like this constantly turning into a "US vs Rest Of World"
>screaming match. It's always only a matter of time before we get WWII,
>Vietnam, gun laws, jerry springer, blah blah blah.
Oh please. perhaps you should do what I have done and actually get to
know some Americans and have them as your friends as i do and then know
that they are just as much up for a piss take as what we are. Forget the
cultural divide, they are just like us pal ....just do a bit and get to
know a few......
>
>
>>I never realised you were elected
>> the newsgroup nanny.
>>
>
>Yeah, well, it was really just a small election. There was just me and
>this xenophobe, and he doesn't really seem like someone interested in
>other people's points of view.
Was you looking in the mirror?
Ed
on insisting on a different product to everyone else that is more
inconvenient and has less / late support then we will all just us the
net and buy from American stores.
I certainly think someone should release the names of these Euro
retailers so we can complain and boycot them
In article <dyRbhHAcpt02EwwC@dumfpc>, John Macvie
<Jo...@dumfpc.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <36e1cd43...@news.clark.net>, Brian Reynolds
><brey...@firaxis.com> writes
>>On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:19:11 +0000, John Macvie
>><Jo...@dumfpc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <ralph-23029...@pi5.psy.vu.nl>, Ralph Wesseling
>>><ra...@psy.vu.nl> writes
>>>>In article <7au0sv$p...@wapping.ecs.soton.ac.uk>, "Paul James"
>>>><p...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Heikki Sairanen wrote in message <7aro89$995$1...@news.koti.tpo.fi>...
>>>>> >Yeah I've been waiting for it too... Why did Firaxis make the UK version
>>>>> >different?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I called the EA tech support number last night and was told it was the EA
>>>>> Europe policy to not allow the game to run without the CD being in the
>>>>> drive. This requires a slightly different version of the main terran.exe
>>>>> than the american version. Firaxis had nothing to do with the difference it
>>>>> was all down to EA's idiocy. If you want to switch to version 2.0 have a
>>>>> friend in the states email you the terran.exe file from the american
>version
>>>>> and you will then find yourself able to apply the patch (and incidently
>play
>>>>> without the cd as well)
>>>>>
>>>EA Europe should have their balls well and truly kicked for that one.
>>
>>In their defense, I'm given to understand that many European retailers
>>now -require- copy protection or they won't stock the product.
>>
>>Brian Reynolds
>>Alpha Centauri Designer
>>FIRAXIS Games
>>
>I'm not doubting what you say is true Brian, but I cannot for the life
>of me see any logic in it. Piracy in Europe is no more or less prevalent
>than it is in the US; and certainly a lot less prevalent than it is in
>Asia, where they merely release the US version with a "For sale in Asia"
>only sticker on the box.
>
>John
--
Ed
"When the going gets tough
The tough hide under a table"
Blackadder
Ed
all your own men as usual ! - I mean we were meant to be on the same
side in the Gulf War but you killed more of us than the Iraqis did
(Oh by the way before I get the stupid plain insults back most of us on
this thread are having a JOKE -- if you are going to answer then make it
witty, not just insults)
In article <36d828fd...@news.interlog.com>, AcK!
<krup...@yahoospa.com> writes
>Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:53:51 GMT was when a million monkeys took over Jon Nunn
><jn...@my-dejanews.com>'s $2000 typewriter and wrote:
>
>>> Yes, it is working. Our "domestic affairs" are really covering up
>>> massive U.S. troop movements all over the world in preperation for global
>>> conquest. We will conqure the planet, we will control this earth, we will
>>> finally force all people of this planet to spell color correctly. ( i.e.
>>> without the u.)
>>>
>>LOL
>
>Yeah, and destroy the evil metric system.
>
>Wait a minute, your military seems to be using the metric system... ;)
>
>TTYL
>
>... It takes ten years to get used to how old you are.
> krup...@yahoospa.com
> remove "spa" to email
--
Mats Olsson
AcK!
<E...@lynchet.demon.co.uk>'s $2000 typewriter and wrote:
>Yes but we are not afraid of the American military - you'll just shoot
>all your own men as usual ! - I mean we were meant to be on the same
>side in the Gulf War but you killed more of us than the Iraqis did
Problem: IFF inoperative.
Solution: IFF does not work when set to "off"
TTYL
... The only student to change history started World War I.
Ian Hegerty
Ed <E...@lynchet.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
M4XanCAn...@lynchet.demon.co.uk...
>Also I think Euro retailers are just being shortsighted - if they carry
>on insisting on a different product to everyone else that is more
>inconvenient and has less / late support then we will all just us the
>net and buy from American stores.
>
>I certainly think someone should release the names of these Euro
>retailers so we can complain and boycot them
I think you'll find they only exist in the minds of EA executives looking
for some reason to explain this idiotic decision of theirs.
Cheers, Ian
John Macvie
Hegerty <iheg...@sina.demon.co.uk> writes
I spoke to the manager of my local Virtual Reality store this morning
and raised this point. He said it is certainly NOT his company's policy
and could not imagine why any retailer would insist on copy protection
being in place. Nor can I..