Is Aerith evil? (FF7 spoilers)
Skye Render
an awful lot of stuff relying on her. She's got the White Materia, which can
call forth Holy (an attack spell, not what you'd expect would be required to
save the world). She claims to be the last surviving member of an ancient
species, and hears voices in her head telling her what to do. She tries to
lead the party to the Promised Land with the Black Materia. What were her
REAL motives? Maybe she was trying to destroy the Planet, and Sephiroth saw
this as unfriendly competition. Any thoughts?
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and said that Sephiroth was the bad guy. And poor him had to take all the
shit...or maybe that´s why he was created at the first place...to kill
Aerith. And that´s why the Turks was after her in the first place. to take
her in and then destroy her...forever..well, you can go on like this
forever....=)
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wouldn't come to the rescue.
StarEye
Skye Render
> If Aeris was evil, she wouldn't save the planet would she? Nope... Holy
> wouldn't come to the rescue.
Who's to say that Holy saved the planet? It didn't, remember? The
Lifestream saved the planet, and staved off BOTH Holy and Meteor. Red XIII
said something to the effect of "Meteor's still coming in, while Holy's
having an opposite effect." That could be interpreted as Holy actually
aiding Meteor, not hindering it.
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torquemada_gi@hotthe_corrupt_universemail.com (Skye Render) wrote:
> Hey, why not? So, is she? I mean, if you think about it, there seems to be
> an awful lot of stuff relying on her. She's got the White Materia, which can
> call forth Holy (an attack spell, not what you'd expect would be required to
> save the world). She claims to be the last surviving member of an ancient
> species, and hears voices in her head telling her what to do. She tries to
> lead the party to the Promised Land with the Black Materia. What were her
> REAL motives? Maybe she was trying to destroy the Planet, and Sephiroth saw
> this as unfriendly competition. Any thoughts?
Thanks to the great translation job I had a hard time distinguishing
Aeris from the Midgar Zolom.
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Skye Render
> In article <MPG.181605f5...@news.aracnet.com>,
> torquemada_gi@hotthe_corrupt_universemail.com (Skye Render) wrote:
>
> > Hey, why not? So, is she? I mean, if you think about it, there seems to be
> > an awful lot of stuff relying on her. She's got the White Materia, which can
> > call forth Holy (an attack spell, not what you'd expect would be required to
> > save the world). She claims to be the last surviving member of an ancient
> > species, and hears voices in her head telling her what to do. She tries to
> > lead the party to the Promised Land with the Black Materia. What were her
> > REAL motives? Maybe she was trying to destroy the Planet, and Sephiroth saw
> > this as unfriendly competition. Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks to the great translation job I had a hard time distinguishing
> Aeris from the Midgar Zolom.
Er... I hate to say it, but that's a pretty good counter-arguement...
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>The cow says, "StarEye!" But I don't. I say:
>> If Aeris was evil, she wouldn't save the planet would she? Nope... Holy
>> wouldn't come to the rescue.
>
> Who's to say that Holy saved the planet? It didn't, remember? The
>Lifestream saved the planet, and staved off BOTH Holy and Meteor. Red XIII
>said something to the effect of "Meteor's still coming in, while Holy's
>having an opposite effect." That could be interpreted as Holy actually
>aiding Meteor, not hindering it.
true, maybe aeris and sephiroth were in it together... and the bastard
double-crossed her so he could become one with the planet... (instead
of them both becoming two with the planet, since he would only have
50% of the stock options on "planet") they WERE both using unique
materia... both the most powerful attack spells... damn... can't trust
an ancient, I tell you...
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<darkla...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>alt.games.final-fantasy.rpg was a peacefull place... Until, during the
>now legendary Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:08:28 -0700,
>torquemada_gi@hotthe_corrupt_universemail.com (Skye Render) brought
>chaos upon us by claiming that:
>
>>The cow says, "StarEye!" But I don't. I say:
>>> If Aeris was evil, she wouldn't save the planet would she? Nope... Holy
>>> wouldn't come to the rescue.
>>
>> Who's to say that Holy saved the planet? It didn't, remember? The
>>Lifestream saved the planet, and staved off BOTH Holy and Meteor. Red XIII
>>said something to the effect of "Meteor's still coming in, while Holy's
>>having an opposite effect." That could be interpreted as Holy actually
>>aiding Meteor, not hindering it.
>
>true, maybe aeris and sephiroth were in it together... and the bastard
>double-crossed her so he could become one with the planet... (instead
>of them both becoming two with the planet, since he would only have
>50% of the stock options on "planet") they WERE both using unique
>materia... both the most powerful attack spells... damn... can't trust
>an ancient, I tell you...
>
Ancient=old, and isn't the big message that almost every rpg tries to
deliver 'old people are evil' ? Why else would they all have a bunch
of early teens running around trying to save the world....
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Thundor
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>>an ancient, I tell you...
>>
>
>Ancient=old, and isn't the big message that almost every rpg tries to
>deliver 'old people are evil' ? Why else would they all have a bunch
>of early teens running around trying to save the world....
>
Yes, and angst-filled teens at that. They are miserable because of
childhood trauma... caused by people who were OLDer than them... Yes,
Square must be trying to manipulate our minds into murdering our
grandmothers and grandfathers...
Darren Grey
> Hey, why not? So, is she? I mean, if you think about it, there seems to be
> an awful lot of stuff relying on her. She's got the White Materia, which can
> call forth Holy (an attack spell, not what you'd expect would be required to
> save the world). She claims to be the last surviving member of an ancient
> species, and hears voices in her head telling her what to do. She tries to
> lead the party to the Promised Land with the Black Materia. What were her
> REAL motives? Maybe she was trying to destroy the Planet, and Sephiroth saw
> this as unfriendly competition. Any thoughts?
At the end of the game she manipulates lifestream to destroy humanity.
We all know about her and Red XIII, so that's why he was left alive...
Also, she achieved her objective of becoming one with the Planet. Don't
you see? In FF7 the bad guy (or girl) wins for once!
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Maranboy
observations =)
She's cute, she's [ummm.....], she's annoyingly cute, umm.... hmmm, sexy?
Honestly though, I've never thought of her being evil.
If she was,,,, deceptive bitch !!!
Kjorteo Kalante
Darren Grey <darrenjohngrey*REMOVE*@hotmail.com>, was allegedly sighted near
alt.games.final-fantasy.rpg when the following was said:
: We all know about her and Red XIII, so that's why he was left alive...
Woohoo! Someone actually reads my stories! ;b
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Yes, "deceptive" often comes with the evil package.
Inu-Yasha
"Skye Render" <torquemada_gi@hotthe_corrupt_universemail.com> wrote in
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gotta ask you guys what kinda weed are you smoking?? Aeris (or Aerith if
you want) looked nice, acted nice and was nice, Sephiroth looked evil,
acted evil and was evil. Let's leave our Heroes and Heroines and villains
in their normal rolls.
Inu-Yasha
SIT!! (feh!)
Skye Render
>
> "Skye Render" <torquemada_gi@hotthe_corrupt_universemail.com> wrote in
> message news:MPG.181605f5...@news.aracnet.com...
> > Hey, why not? So, is she? I mean, if you think about it, there seems to
> be
> > an awful lot of stuff relying on her. She's got the White Materia, which
> can
> > call forth Holy (an attack spell, not what you'd expect would be required
> to
> > save the world). She claims to be the last surviving member of an ancient
> > species, and hears voices in her head telling her what to do. She tries
> to
> > lead the party to the Promised Land with the Black Materia. What were her
> > REAL motives? Maybe she was trying to destroy the Planet, and Sephiroth
> saw
> > this as unfriendly competition. Any thoughts?
>
> gotta ask you guys what kinda weed are you smoking?? Aeris (or Aerith if
> you want) looked nice, acted nice and was nice, Sephiroth looked evil,
> acted evil and was evil. Let's leave our Heroes and Heroines and villains
> in their normal rolls.
I'm sure their rolls are undisturbed. Their roles, on the other hand, aren't
necessarily fixed. I'm most certainly not smoking anything, I'm wondering if
Aerith might have actually had intentions not entirely altruistic (as they
certainly seemed). Besides, haven't people been complaining for years that
characters should break OUT of their roles and be something else? Seems a bit
hypocritical, going and saying that we should leave those roles untouched...
Thundor
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>
>Gee, while I thought the FF7 ending was hollow and unsatisfactory, I just
>gotta ask you guys what kinda weed are you smoking??
not the kind I wanted to, surely...
> Aeris (or Aerith if
>you want) looked nice, acted nice and was nice,
She ACTED nice... but who are you to tell it if she WAS in fact nice?
Did you know her personally, or read her mind for that matter? She was
a great actress, I tell you!
>Sephiroth looked evil,
>acted evil and was evil.
Good, evil... it all comes down to POINTS OF VIEW.
>Let's leave our Heroes and Heroines and villains
>in their normal rolls.
>
Let's not.
It's more fun this way.
Haven't you ever questioned anything someone put right in front of
you?
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Inu-Yasha
"Thundor" <darkla...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Since I don't want to nor intended to start any arguments, just consider it
my opinion the what I said is correct, and let it be known that you are most
certainly intitled to voice your opinions or beliefs on the subject. I like
the characters as they are, and never asked for them to break out of their
molds. 'nuff said from me on my half. Maybe some one might be interested
in writing a fan fic on the premise you present. ^_^
Inu-Yasha
SIT!! (feh!)
Thundor
>my opinion the what I said is correct, and let it be known that you are most
>certainly intitled to voice your opinions or beliefs on the subject. I like
>the characters as they are, and never asked for them to break out of their
>molds. 'nuff said from me on my half. Maybe some one might be interested
>in writing a fan fic on the premise you present. ^_^
>
Well, yes... I know it was your opinion... I wasn't really serious
anyway... heh
Inu-Yasha
> alt.games.final-fantasy.rpg was a peacefull place... Until, during the
> now legendary Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:04:11 GMT, "Inu-Yasha"
> <tjar...@cfl.rr.com> brought chaos upon us by claiming that:
> >
> >Since I don't want to nor intended to start any arguments, just consider
it
> >my opinion the what I said is correct, and let it be known that you are
most
> >certainly intitled to voice your opinions or beliefs on the subject. I
like
> >the characters as they are, and never asked for them to break out of
their
> >molds. 'nuff said from me on my half. Maybe some one might be
interested
> >in writing a fan fic on the premise you present. ^_^
> >
>
> Well, yes... I know it was your opinion... I wasn't really serious
> anyway... heh
>
your idea. Where are all those fan fic writeres?? ^_^
Inu-Yasha
SIT!! (feh!)
Skye Render
>
> news:vr63ru03km2f0lrjp...@4ax.com...
> > alt.games.final-fantasy.rpg was a peacefull place... Until, during the
> > now legendary Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:04:11 GMT, "Inu-Yasha"
> > <tjar...@cfl.rr.com> brought chaos upon us by claiming that:
> > >
> > >Since I don't want to nor intended to start any arguments, just consider
> it
> > >my opinion the what I said is correct, and let it be known that you are
> most
> > >certainly intitled to voice your opinions or beliefs on the subject. I
> like
> > >the characters as they are, and never asked for them to break out of
> their
> > >molds. 'nuff said from me on my half. Maybe some one might be
> interested
> > >in writing a fan fic on the premise you present. ^_^
> > >
> >
> > Well, yes... I know it was your opinion... I wasn't really serious
> > anyway... heh
> >
> Whew, that's a relief. But if you were, you are still entitled to voice
> your idea. Where are all those fan fic writeres?? ^_^
Off writing fanfics, most likely. Or slacking off playing Xenogears for the
sixth time. One or the other.
doc_bean
Actually they've all been tortured and killed by a group of angry
baptists, they burned evil images into young children's minds !
A few are still at large, but the group is confident that Grey will be
caught soon....
Thundor
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>On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:03:03 -0700,
>torquemada_gi@hotthe_corrupt_universemail.com (Skye Render) wrote:
>
>>The cow says, "Inu-Yasha!" But I don't. I say:
>>>
>>> >
>>> Whew, that's a relief. But if you were, you are still entitled to voice
>>> your idea. Where are all those fan fic writeres?? ^_^
>>
>> Off writing fanfics, most likely. Or slacking off playing Xenogears for the
>>sixth time. One or the other.
>>
>
>Actually they've all been tortured and killed by a group of angry
>baptists, they burned evil images into young children's minds !
>A few are still at large, but the group is confident that Grey will be
>caught soon....
They'll never get him alive!
Even if I have to kill him... they must not know the secrets of
Sephiroth!
doc_bean
<darkla...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>alt.games.final-fantasy.rpg was a peacefull place... Until, during the
>now legendary Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:43:39 GMT, do...@mail.com (doc_bean)
>brought chaos upon us by claiming that:
>
>>On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:03:03 -0700,
>>torquemada_gi@hotthe_corrupt_universemail.com (Skye Render) wrote:
>>
>>>The cow says, "Inu-Yasha!" But I don't. I say:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> Whew, that's a relief. But if you were, you are still entitled to voice
>>>> your idea. Where are all those fan fic writeres?? ^_^
>>>
>>> Off writing fanfics, most likely. Or slacking off playing Xenogears for the
>>>sixth time. One or the other.
>>>
>>
>>Actually they've all been tortured and killed by a group of angry
>>baptists, they burned evil images into young children's minds !
>>A few are still at large, but the group is confident that Grey will be
>>caught soon....
>
>They'll never get him alive!
>Even if I have to kill him... they must not know the secrets of
>Sephiroth!
You're part of the clan too ?
Thundor
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>On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:09:08 +0100, Thundor
><darkla...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>alt.games.final-fantasy.rpg was a peacefull place... Until, during the
>>now legendary Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:43:39 GMT, do...@mail.com (doc_bean)
>>brought chaos upon us by claiming that:
>>
>>>
>>>Actually they've all been tortured and killed by a group of angry
>>>baptists, they burned evil images into young children's minds !
>>>A few are still at large, but the group is confident that Grey will be
>>>caught soon....
>>
>>They'll never get him alive!
>>Even if I have to kill him... they must not know the secrets of
>>Sephiroth!
>
>You're part of the clan too ?
Nah, I just want an excuse to kill Grey... Maybe I could steal his
real-sized-Sephiroth-doll's trench coat :D
Darren Grey
> alt.games.final-fantasy.rpg was a peacefull place... Until, during the
> now legendary Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:54:12 GMT, do...@mail.com (doc_bean)
> brought chaos upon us by claiming that:
>
> >On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:09:08 +0100, Thundor
> ><darkla...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>alt.games.final-fantasy.rpg was a peacefull place... Until, during the
> >>now legendary Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:43:39 GMT, do...@mail.com (doc_bean)
> >>brought chaos upon us by claiming that:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Actually they've all been tortured and killed by a group of angry
> >>>baptists, they burned evil images into young children's minds !
> >>>A few are still at large, but the group is confident that Grey will be
> >>>caught soon....
> >>
> >>They'll never get him alive!
> >>Even if I have to kill him... they must not know the secrets of
> >>Sephiroth!
> >
> >You're part of the clan too ?
>
> Nah, I just want an excuse to kill Grey... Maybe I could steal his
> real-sized-Sephiroth-doll's trench coat :D
Who said the doll has clothes?
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Thundor
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that:
>Thundor wrote:
>
>>
>> Nah, I just want an excuse to kill Grey... Maybe I could steal his
>> real-sized-Sephiroth-doll's trench coat :D
>
>Who said the doll has clothes?
Good point... I'll go away now...
doc_bean
So.... how lifelike is it ?
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In all the final fantasy's ff7 was and still is the best. Also all the
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> Hey, why not? So, is she? I mean, if you think about it, there seems to
be
> an awful lot of stuff relying on her. She's got the White Materia, which
can
> call forth Holy (an attack spell, not what you'd expect would be required
to
> save the world). She claims to be the last surviving member of an ancient
> species, and hears voices in her head telling her what to do. She tries
to
> lead the party to the Promised Land with the Black Materia. What were her
> REAL motives? Maybe she was trying to destroy the Planet, and Sephiroth
saw
> this as unfriendly competition.
> Any thoughts?
>
just one: you're an idiot.
avalanch...@gmail.com
> Hey, why not? So, is she? I mean, if you think about it, there seems to be
> an awful lot of stuff relying on her. She's got the White Materia, which can
> call forth Holy (an attack spell, not what you'd expect would be required to
> save the world). She claims to be the last surviving member of an ancient
> species, and hears voices in her head telling her what to do. She tries to
> lead the party to the Promised Land with the Black Materia. What were her
> REAL motives? Maybe she was trying to destroy the Planet, and Sephiroth saw
> this as unfriendly competition. Any thoughts?
>
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I made a discovery recently which brought me to some supositions about Aerith's real motives:
http://www.ff7keikoku.com
https://www.finalfantasyforums.net/threads/greek-letters-at-the-gold-saucer.65031/page-2
(post 24 gives the most recent state of my theory)
https://thelifestream.net/forums/threads/did-jenova-left-the-planet.21891/
https://thelifestream.net/forums/threads/portrayal-of-clouds-mental-state-and-eventually-zack-in-the-remake.22002/
(see from post #24)
I thought this might interest you !