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Mega Locke wrote:
>
> Everyone thinks that Cait Sith/Reeve was a traitor, right? Well, you can't
> really blame him for the things he did. It was his job. And wasn't it Edgar
> (from FF3) who said, "The Empire may be evil, but not all of it's people
> are"? The same may fit in here. Sure, he was overweight,
Eh-eh. Cait Sith's moogle may be a bit on the pudgy side, but Reeve? You
wanna see fat, look at Palmer. Look at Heidegger. (actually, I'm sure
you'd rather not ^_^) And let's not forget Reeve was the only Shinra
exec that didn't like the idea of blowing Sector 7 up.
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Everyone thinks that Cait Sith/Reeve was a traitor, right? Well, you can't
really blame him for the things he did. It was his job. And wasn't it Edgar
(from FF3) who said, "The Empire may be evil, but not all of it's people
worked for the Shin-Ra, but wasn't Barret also overweight? Didn't Vincent
work for the Shin-Ra once? And Sephiroth...the work trust doesn't even
apply to this man.
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SirPanther
Cait sith was a traitor. To Shin-ra and for Shin-ra. He was a basicly good
natured guy who did his job. It's my personally view that he was never ordered
to do anything that challenged his morals-untill he sayed with Cloud and Co.
for awile and realized he had been lied to. Remember- he was fed the garbage
story that avalance had destroyed the pillar-and that they were tring to
destroy the kind and giveing Shin-ra. After he joined up (fully) with Cluods
group he stoped helping Shin-ra and started helping them. If there were anyone
still doubting his loyalty- well it is kinda hard to trust a traiter- especally
after he has betrayed everyone- the bad guys and the good guys. oh- and about
the "It was his job" thing, he did he job as he thought it was for the good of
all. later- when he swiched sides, he only kept up the illusion of being a
shin-ra helper to assist Cloud and Co. Now if you want doing so called 'evil'
deeds and knowing full well you are doing it- talk to the turks.
Sir. Panther
Defender of Thieves(Locke), assassins(Shadow), and guys who give a good try at
giveing death the chills(Vincent)
"The answer is... because it's our job." - The Turks
DebuJin
>>Remember- he was fed the garbage
story that avalance had destroyed the pillar-and that they were tring to
destroy the kind and giveing Shin-ra.<<
Cait Sith/Reeve /did/ know about the pillar thing. Remember when President
Shinra told Reeve to take a vacation? That was becaused he was so stressed
over the pillar falling.
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Mega Locke writes:
>Well, you can't
>really blame him for the things he did. It was his job.
That, and he was also the only Shinra executive morally opposed to dropping the
plate on Sector 7...
And wasn't it Edgar
>(from FF3) who said, "The Empire may be evil, but not all of it's people
>are"? The same may fit in here. Sure, he was overweight, untrustworthy, and
>worked for the Shin-Ra, but wasn't Barret also overweight? Didn't Vincent
>work for the Shin-Ra once? And Sephiroth...the work trust doesn't even
>apply to this man.
Barret's not overweight! He's just big-boned! =P (And BTW, Reeve is in fact
pretty skinny. It's Cait's Moogle that needs Slim-Fast...)
Erica
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ChocoboKick
>
> Reeve knew exactly who took out the pillar. President Shinra even told
>him to "take a vacation" when he protested what they were about to do. He
>still stabbed everyone in the back after the fact, *and* kidnapped Marlene
>and Aeris's mother to use as blackmail. The rat fink should've died at the
>Temple of the Ancients and *stayed* dead. <laughing>
>
Cait Sith/Reeve is one of those guys who start out evil but then realize the
error of their ways and BECOME good. Examples of ex-bad guys turned good
guys include: General Leo, Cait Sith/Reeve, Cecil (Kain doesn't count cuz
he was under a spell, Cecil robbed Mysidia WILLINGLY), and more.
All for now,
ChocoboKick
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Michael Ferranti wrote in message
<359687af....@news.townsquare.net>...
>
> Wrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrong...If you recall, Marlene was still
>being held captive right up to the last battle. Even after Barret visited
>her, when you were ready to take on Sephiroth, if you aborted the crater
>fight, you still couldn't find her. Cait Sith must DIE!!!
>
> Michael Ferranti <m-ferr&townsquare.net>
> Header address encoded with ROT13 to foil spammers.
>
He did, he got crused into the Black Materia. He came back though. *smirk*
Anyway, if he's still a bad guy, then why is he fighting on your side? The
only reason he took Marlene hostage is so that they wouldn't attack him
after he stole the Keystone. I really doubt he's holding Marlene so that
they don't attack him all the way till the end of the game. Besides,
Marlene and Aeris's mom moved to "a safe place". If YOUR party can find
them, then Sephiroth certainly could, so it wouldn't be safe now would it?
All for now,
ChocoboKick
ChocoboKick
Michael Ferranti wrote in message
<3597fc2f....@news.townsquare.net>...
(A bunch of stuff that's too long to requote in this message)
Look, unless Cloud has roughly the IQ of a Spice Girl, he'd know if Cait
Sith could be trusted. And I don't believe Marlene is still being held
captive. Just look at the ending, she's in some house (I don't know where,
it's probably the "Safe Place" somewhere, but it IS in Midgar) Marlene is
there, she's the one that looks out the window and says "The Flower Girl?"
And if you don't think that looks like her, all I can say is...well, the FMV
Graphics are TERRIBLE in the Ending. Just look at Cait Sith and Red XIII,
Barret, and Cid.
All for now,
ChocoboKick
ChocoboKick
Michael Ferranti wrote in message <359b76a1...@news.townsquare.net>...
> Cloud's opinion doesn't matter. Reeve still had Marlene.
See below...
> Nope. She's in Kalm. (Go up the spiral stairway, and if you press the
>[Okay] button in the right place, you can look through the same window.)
>Remember the part on the Highwind, where Barret didn't care what happened
to
>Midgar as long as Marlene was safe? Reeve still had her.
Barret cared about Midgar, it was Red XIII who didn't. Take this exhert
from the ending:
BARRET: Wait just a damn minute!!! What's gonna happen to Midgar!?
RED XIII: Meteor is approacing the Earth. Holy is having the opposite
effect.... Forget Midgar. We have to worry about the planet
>(I'm right, and you're wrong. He deserves to die.)
He did. Not only when he got the Black Materia, but in the ending the only
survivors were Red XIII...and a female whatever Red XIII is (without her,
how could the "Red XIII-ites" survive until that "500 years later" scene?
*smirk*)
Oh, one last note. If you think Cait Sith/Reeve is a jerk, beat FF Tactics
and look at Delita in every scene after Chapter I, ESPECIALLY the ending.
All for now,
ChocoboKick
Banshee
Banshee Wrote...
EVEN MORE BELOW!!!!!
>ChocoboKick said:
>
>>See below...
>
> Again?
>
>>Barret cared about Midgar, it was Red XIII who didn't. Take this exhert
>>from the ending:
>
> Heh. You know you lost. You're changing the subject. Barret only
>cared about Marlene, because he thought she was in Midgar. Two reasons:
>Once Cait Sith said that Marlene was safe, he dropped the subject about
>Midgar getting destroyed, and the reason he was in Midgar in the first
place
>was to blow it up for what happened in Corel.
>
Yeh Cait Sith is a good guy, he felt bad aboud the falling of the plate, and
was the only one opposing it, he felt he owed Cloud and the others by
sacrificing himself for the Black Materia, AND he did take Marlene to a safe
house in Kalm!!!, where she was safe - of course. And Barrett knew this and
was happy with it. I reckon he was a good guy cause he kept tabs on the
Shinra as well....
>>BARRET: Wait just a damn minute!!! What's gonna happen to Midgar!?
>>RED XIII: Meteor is approacing the Earth. Holy is having the opposite
>>effect.... Forget Midgar. We have to worry about the planet
>
> Hey, I don't blame Red XIII a bit. Marlene's only four, and Red XIII
>looks like a cat. She'll be wanting to ride him and yank his tail and pull
>on him mane all the time. You know how kids are at that age. Just ask the
>kid next to the stuffed cat in Sector 8...
>
Red XIII was thinking of Midgar, but he was the one who stated that not only
Midgar was going to be destroyed, instead the whole planet was going to die.
So he was more worried about the total brunt of things - and not one city.
Also RedXIII is only about 7 in Cat yrs (don't ask 8) ) so he was still
young, and lived for the next 500 yrs - what i find interesting is I thought
RedXIII was the last of his kind!!!
>>He did. Not only when he got the Black Materia, but in the ending the
only
>>survivors were Red XIII...and a female whatever Red XIII is (without her,
>>how could the "Red XIII-ites" survive until that "500 years later" scene?
>>*smirk*)
>
> Like Cloud and the others are really going to be alive 500 years in the
>future. We might've seen their great-great-great-great-great-great-great
>grand-progeny, but we wouldn't have known who they were.
>
>>Oh, one last note. If you think Cait Sith/Reeve is a jerk, beat FF
Tactics
>>and look at Delita in every scene after Chapter I, ESPECIALLY the ending.
>
> Which flavor? Nacho Cheese, or Cool Ranch? I was thinking more of
>getting Breath of Fire 3 or Duke Nukem next, actually...
>
> Michael Ferranti <m-ferr&townsquare.net>
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Michael Ferranti wrote in message
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> Heh. You know you lost. You're changing the subject. Barret only
>cared about Marlene, because he thought she was in Midgar. Two reasons:
>Once Cait Sith said that Marlene was safe, he dropped the subject about
>Midgar getting destroyed, and the reason he was in Midgar in the first
place
>was to blow it up for what happened in Corel.
He was in Midgar so he could spy on Shinra and help your group kick their
butts. He (as Cait Sith) even punched out Scarlet during that "Public
Execution", remember? He wanted to get back at them. As you may recall, he
was really hesitant about that whole plot to take out the column, and
disapproved of not rebuilding it in favor of the "Neo-Midgar Plan".
> Hey, I don't blame Red XIII a bit. Marlene's only four, and Red XIII
>looks like a cat. She'll be wanting to ride him and yank his tail and pull
>on him mane all the time. You know how kids are at that age. Just ask the
>kid next to the stuffed cat in Sector 8...
I never said that I blame Red XIII for wanting Marlene's butt blown up by
Meteor (had I been him, I would've wanted it too *Smirk*) Oh, BTW, Cait
Sith looks more like a cat than Red XIII does.
> Like Cloud and the others are really going to be alive 500 years in the
>future. We might've seen their great-great-great-great-great-great-great
>grand-progeny, but we wouldn't have known who they were.
I never said that Cloud and the other would be alive 500 years later.
Besides, the human race was wiped out by a combo effect of
Meteor/Holy/Lifestream, remember? What I said was, that Red XIII and a
female
"Red XIII-ite" survived, or else how could the race still be around 500
years later? It takes two to reproduce, you know.
>Cheese, or Cool Ranch?
eeeeeeeeeeeeexcuse me?
> I was thinking more of getting Breath of Fire 3 or Duke Nukem next,
actually...
Whatever. Just know that after seeing Delita throughout the whole game, it
makes Cait Sith look like a hero.
All for now,
ChocoboKick
SirPanther
>Anyway, if he's still a bad guy, then why is he fighting on your side?
BECAUSE he thinks your side is gonna win! annnnnd that means he gets put with
the best bad guys of all time- the ones who everyone owes a favor to, and no
one can trust! Woohoo!
ChocoboKick
Michael Ferranti wrote in message <359e1389...@news.townsquare.net>...
> He was still holding Marlene hostage tho...
Only for the whole thing with the Keystone. After that he let her go.
What'd be the point of having her that extra time?
> Nope. He gassed her... <grinning&ducking> I'm not giving Cait Sith any
>brownie points for it. I think *everyone* wanted to punch out Scarlet.
True, but if he actually WAS a bad guy, still working for Shinra, as you
claim, he'd supress the urge and instead help her out.
> So upset that he gave the Keystone to Tseng, and kidnapped Marlene and
>Aeris's mother. I'm touched...
Well, he's gotta watch HIS neck too ya know. He does this stuff so he
doesn't lose his job, and as a result, so he can still spy on Shinra. If he
didn't care about spying on them (and therefore, having to keep his positon)
he'd just run out and join you outright instead of sending a gay little
robot to assist you.
> No, I said that *I* didn't blame Red XIII. I'm only concerned about
>this weird notion of yours that Cait Sith is worth not wasting a bullet.
Hey, no one ELSE seems to be going to bat for Cait Sith, and *I* think he's
OK (at the end, anyway), so...
>>I never said that Cloud and the other would be alive 500 years later.
>
> Then why get so upset about it?
Cuz you said that they were. (That or I severely misunderstood.)
> I think the children laughing disproves that. If they got the Indiana-
>Jones/Arc-of-the-Covenant/melt-your-flesh-from-your-bones treatment, they
>wouldn't have been that happy about it. Those Nazis sure didn't like it.
If they got that treatment, they'd be DEAD (unless they were immortal) and
they're all DEAD now, remember? Had the human race survived, they wouldn't
have let Midgar get all overgrown with Moss and everything. The laughing
effect was just thrown in there to throw people off.
> Yep. 1+1=3, unless you live in Minnesota, and then it occasionally
>equals 9. I wonder if that lady ever bought herself a set of ear-plugs for
>all those kids.
I thought it said on the news that she didn't want to take 'em. She put 'em
all up for adoption or sumthin'.
>he probably found a mate somewhere, or resurrected Hojo and had him make a
>Bride of Nanakistein. Maybe he boinked one of those black cats with the
>whip tails you meet in the North Reactor...Jeez, I don't wanna get into
>this. Actually, they might not be his kids at all. It could've been a
>couple of those cats from Wutai.
Well, it had to happen SOMEHOW...oh, only the "Nanakites" (Sounds better
than "Red XIII-ites", plus it's his real name.) are red and have their tails
on fire (Ouch!!!)
All for now,
ChocoboKick
Terence Fergusson
In article <6nmgjk$gt9$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>, Banshee <m...@here.com>
scribed:
>The human race lived.
>Why would they kill the human race, and leave Nanaki's to live on???
>There is also the sound of happy kids in the background.
>
>I think after Midgar was destroyed, people wanted to forget about all the
>troubles they had there.
>So they left it to grow all pretty, who would want to rebuild a city that
>almost destroyed the world???
>
>The puzzle about the female Nanaki still puzzles me ;)
>Maybe he could you know boinked himself, like those fish
>do........................
Someone brought up the idea of Red and the dogs at the Reactor 1 Power
Plant hitting it off....
And now I can't get the idea of Dark Nation and Red out of my mind....
<shakes head in bewilderment>
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Terence Fergusson wrote in message ...
>In article <6nmgjk$gt9$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>, Banshee <m...@here.com>
>scribed:
>>The human race lived.
>>Why would they kill the human race, and leave Nanaki's to live on???
>>There is also the sound of happy kids in the background.
Well, the definition of Holy's power was to "destroy all threats to the
planet". Think about it. The humans were all hooked up to Mako Reactors.
The "Nanakites" were not.
>>I think after Midgar was destroyed, people wanted to forget about all the
>>troubles they had there.
>>So they left it to grow all pretty, who would want to rebuild a city that
>>almost destroyed the world???
If they wanted it to grow pretty, you'd think they would just take down the
whole city, rather than leaving it in ruins. Besides, not many people think
moss is pretty. *smirk*
>Someone brought up the idea of Red and the dogs at the Reactor 1 Power
>Plant hitting it off....
>
>And now I can't get the idea of Dark Nation and Red out of my mind....
><shakes head in bewilderment>
But then wouldn't the "500 years later" scene descendants have big red
tentacles sticking out the back of their head?
All for now,
ChocoboKick
Keithius Survellus
screen and was compelled by some otherworldly force to answer them...
> >Cait Sith/Reeve is one of those guys who start out evil but then realize the
> >error of their ways and BECOME good.
>
> Wrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrong...If you recall, Marlene was still
> being held captive right up to the last battle. Even after Barret visited
> her, when you were ready to take on Sephiroth, if you aborted the crater
> fight, you still couldn't find her. Cait Sith must DIE!!!
>
Marlene wasn't being "held captive" up 'till the last battle, she was being "kept
somewhere safe." Would you want to bring your daughter into the center of the
earth?
And another thing... when Diamond Weapon (I think that's the one) blew away the
top of the Shinra Building, didn't that do away with the Shinra entirely? Who's
left to keep Marlene "captive?"
-Keithius
Milk Stud
>And another thing... when Diamond Weapon (I think that's the one) blew away the
>top of the Shinra Building, didn't that do away with the Shinra entirely? Who's
>left to keep Marlene "captive?"
No one, and Cait had evacuated everyone in Midgar. So he took Marlene
to Kalm (where we see her in the ending).
ChocoboKick
Michael Ferranti wrote in message <35a918e3...@news.townsquare.net>...
< Yeah, but Barret didn't know where this "somewhere safe" was, implying
<that she was still being kept "where he couldn't find her," or better said,
<"in captivity."
Barret could've asked, you know, and I'm sure Cait Sith would've been glad
to let him know, but he didn't, he just left it at Cait Sith's explanation
of "Marlene is not in Midgar. She's safe. She's with Aeris's Mama." (And
this conversation took place right as Diamond WEAPON was attacking Midgar,
so no, that can't mean that Reeve kidnapped Aeris's Mom. as well.. Go back
and play that part again, trust me, Barret never asked where this "Somewhere
safe" was.
<Depends on whether she went and got herself preggers before she was
<married. I dunno if I'd bury her, but I might just tan her slutty lil'
<backside, tho... <laughs&shakes head> Then again, if she fights anywhere
<near the way Yuffie does with a strength of 150, I'd definitely want
daddy's
<little girl at my side (and not pissed off at me for leaving her behind).
What?
<Heidegger, Scarlet, the Turks (who are into kidnapping, btw), and Reeve.
<Maybe Hojo too, since he's into that kinky bestiality sex thing, trying to
<get Red XIII to boink Aeris...
Yeah, that was pretty sick, wasn't it? But all that was left in the Last
Battle (which you claim Marlene was held captive until then) would be Reeve
and the Turks (minus Tseng). Well, actually, after you kicked the Turks'
butts in Midgar, they fled to some unknown area, so it'd just be Reeve, and
Reeve is busy controlling Cait Sith, so he can't keep an eye on Marlene, so
how could she still be in captivity? She's actually in Kalm, as someone
pointed out, you can look out that same window that she did in the ending.
All for now,
ChocoboKick
Michael Post
>
> <Heidegger, Scarlet, the Turks (who are into kidnapping, btw), and
> Reeve.
> <Maybe Hojo too, since he's into that kinky bestiality sex thing,
> trying to
> <get Red XIII to boink Aeris...
>
Are you sure about this? I just figured Hojo was going to merge them in
much
the same way he made the monsters in the Nibleheim reactor.
Mike Post
Frioniel
>much
>the same way he made the monsters in the Nibleheim reactor.
>
Hojo himself said he was going to mate them.
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Frioniel, the Warrior of Fin....
Defender of the Squaresoft, "Masterpiece" collection.
Ruja
says...
You know, I think they just did a crappy job of illustrating what
happened to Marlene. I didn't even remember she existed for awhile, and
in the end, I didn't figure out it was her in the window till I was
beating it a second time to show a friend the graphics...
>
>Quoting msg <6odl83$2...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>
>ChocoboKick said:
>
>>Barret could've asked, you know,
>
> Okay, then Barret dies too. I'll use Cid instead.
>
>>What?
>
> You heard me.
>
>>Yeah, that was pretty sick, wasn't it?
>
> Dunno. I'm not a Nanakistein. He might be a handsome
devil for all
>I know...
>
>>She's actually in Kalm, as someone pointed out, you can look out that
same
>>window that she did in the ending.
>
> Someone? I said that about the window. I am NOT relying on
your powers
>of recall...
>
> Michael Ferranti <m-ferr&townsquare.net>
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ChocoboKick
Michael Ferranti wrote in message <35b04f14...@news.townsquare.net>...
<Okay, then Barret dies too. I'll use Cid instead.
Barret sucks, but so does Cid.
<You heard me.
Yeah, but it didn't make any sense.
<Dunno. I'm not a Nanakistein. He might be a handsome devil for all
<I know...
I was referring to Hojo's attempt at Breeding Aeris and Red XIII, which you
yourself said was sick as well.
<Someone? I said that about the window. I am NOT relying on your powers
<of recall...
OK, then, like I said, Reeve is still in Midgar, Marlene is in Kalm. How
could he be holding her captive? There weren't any of those Shinra Footmen
around either.
All for now,
ChocoboKick
ChocoboKick
Michael Ferranti wrote in message
<Nah, Cid's cool...until you find something bad to say about him that
<makes good sense, and then I'll kill him too and use Red XIII. Actually,
<you still like Cait Sith. I shouldn't even be listening to you...
Well, for one thing, he hates you, for another, he hates Shera, and for
another, he's even worse than Barret languagewise. (Now sit your @$$es down
and drink your MOG-DAMN *TEA*!!!)
<I make perfect sense. You're just not keeping up with my train of
<thought.
Whatever.
<I was playing Devil's Advocate, and from the looks of it, Red XIII's not
<going to be getting any for a few centuries...poor sap.
Yeah, I'd hate to be him.
<Hey, he could carry
<on a decent conversation at least, and most girls say they like that in a
<guy, and Yuffie...she had a thing for him.
Yeah, but as far as *I'M* concerned, I'd rather go out and #$!@# a cactus
(Ouch!) then date Yuffie.
<Heck, look at all the ladies
<that were hanging around Hojo on the beach. It's a fact. Girls are into
<pervy guys.
Are you saying Red XIII's a "Pervy Guy"? It's not like he tried to advance
on anyone in the game, except when he was in the test tube with Aeris and
that didn't count because he was "merely trying to throw Hojo off guard" and
hey, it worked.
<Look at all the notoriety "9 1/2 Weeks" got...or try paging
<through a cheap romance novel. Phew! Talk about *naughty*...
Who reads those things?
<Just proves that Reeve was still working with the Shinra. They could've
<had soldiers posted downstairs. What's the little squirt gonna do? Jump
<out the window? Besides, Marlene's only four. She's not gonna pack up and
<leave town.
She was with Aeris's Mom, remember?
<Another thing to consider: How was Reeve controlling Cait Sith
<when Heidegger and Scarlet had him arrested and hauled away?
Well, it had to happen SOMEHOW or else how could you still use Cait Sith
during that time? Besides, he's got some sort of control rigged to his suit
or something. Notice how it shows him flailing his arms and such during the
meeting, and he talked into his cufflink or something (if anyone still wears
those...that would make more sense if I said "where a cufflink would
ususally go") to relay messages to Cloud.
All for now,
ChocoboKick