Paladin Weapons - Cut the crap
Zanthor
got over 65 days /played, and love the game.
But I'm getting just a little pissed about the new weapons that come
out, every time I see a new weapon that will set a warrior aside as the
"Master of armed combat" that he is supposed to be, they dump a better,
meaner, faster, cooler weapon on the pile of paladin weapons.
Really, the new weapon found today, Darkmetal Holy Water Sprinkler, 16
dam 29 delay +4 wis! This is the BEST 1H weapon in the game, and
apsolutly devalues the purpose of a warrior in a group!
What Verant needs to do is take about 3 steps back and put some new
items into the game, new quests, and do it for the shunned classes.
Paladins have quests to get any number of nice weapons, many nice
weapons to kill mobs to get, and so forth. Shadow knights have no
worthy quest weapons, nor do Warriors. Many of the paladins weapons
are hands down stronger than warriors weapons making them amore
desirable Meelee class.
Anyhow Verant, how bout ya pull some nice warrior weapons out? And lets
NOT make them lore if they are 1H Slash? What the hell is the purpose
of a warrior weapon being 1H Slash/Lore?
Zanthor
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> dam 29 delay +4 wis! This is the BEST 1H weapon in the game, and
> apsolutly devalues the purpose of a warrior in a group!
Um, no. Remember, pallys can't dual wield. I would take 2 ykeshas any
day... they are 8/24 and proc 75 dmg. Let's not mention how difficult the
new paladin weapon is. Oh, and let's not talk about the fluxbladed axe that
rangers get that procs for 150 DD. Oh, and let's not talk about the 19/33
Engulfing Darkness sword that warriors/sks just got.
> What Verant needs to do is take about 3 steps back and put some new
> items into the game, new quests, and do it for the shunned classes.
They should continue to add, as they have, for everyone.
> Paladins have quests to get any number of nice weapons, many nice
> weapons to kill mobs to get, and so forth. Shadow knights have no
> worthy quest weapons, nor do Warriors. Many of the paladins weapons
> are hands down stronger than warriors weapons making them amore
> desirable Meelee class.
You must *always* remember that paladins do not get dual wield, and SoulFire
isn't nearly as good as a Mithril TwoHander or Razing Sword of Skarlon (both
of which Sks and Warriors can use). I'm not even going to talk about
Bladestorm, Monsoon, or Soul Leech because they are completely insane
weapons that destroy anything paladins have. Period.
> Anyhow Verant, how bout ya pull some nice warrior weapons out?
There are plenty of them. More than any other class. I'm sure Verant will
continue to add them as well.
Quigley
Ghoulbane is the best 1 handed weapon, but on the 2H Slash side of the house
there are 6 weapons that are warrior/pally/sk better than soulfire, with the
best 4 weapons being warrior only! I agree that more quests should be
implemented, but I hope they are as difficult as SOulfire so you can see the
fun Paladins have TRYING to get that sword, whose stats suck comparatively
to most other top end 2H Slashers
Sentry
engulfing darkness, but it was 2H blunt? :)
The number of paladins who are adept in 1H blunt are few. Personally if I
was with a paladin that was using this weapon and obviously had never
touched a 1H blunt before in his life I'd tell him to switch weapons or
leave the group, because he should be there to contribute, not use other
people to help him build his skill.
Zanthor wrote in message <01906254...@usw-ex0101-004.remarq.com>...
>First, Let me inform you, I'm a 45th level Dark Elven Warrior. I've
>got over 65 days /played, and love the game.
>
>But I'm getting just a little pissed about the new weapons that come
>out, every time I see a new weapon that will set a warrior aside as the
>"Master of armed combat" that he is supposed to be, they dump a better,
>meaner, faster, cooler weapon on the pile of paladin weapons.
>
Rich
<zanthor...@tibbs.net.invalid> wrote:
>First, Let me inform you, I'm a 45th level Dark Elven Warrior. I've
>got over 65 days /played, and love the game.
>
>But I'm getting just a little pissed about the new weapons that come
>out, every time I see a new weapon that will set a warrior aside as the
>"Master of armed combat" that he is supposed to be, they dump a better,
>meaner, faster, cooler weapon on the pile of paladin weapons.
>
>Really, the new weapon found today, Darkmetal Holy Water Sprinkler, 16
>dam 29 delay +4 wis! This is the BEST 1H weapon in the game, and
>apsolutly devalues the purpose of a warrior in a group!
Waaaah waaaaaah.
First: You forget to mention that the weapon in consideration is from
the PLANE OF HATE. That's a big huge qualifier, because a) it means
that this will not be dropping of trees to every Paladin and b) nobody
knows what mondo warrior weapons will come out of PoH, because it has
been barely touched, drop wise.
Second: You also _forget_ that Paladins do not have dual wield, that
ol' balance thing, eh?
Let's see, a Paladin who is very high level, lucks out and gets this
weapon (it is no drop), can look forward to a DPS (damage per second)
on this weapon of 11.38. Very nice, very nice indeed. But then again
it's a super rare weapon.
Now, a Warrior, dual wielding Ykesha's (which are not super rare, only
fairly rare) gets a DPS of 14.16. Hmmm, a simple drop weapon that is
available in the main game (not on a Plane, and he outdamages the
Paladin with the supposed super-uber-incredible weapon.
That completely ignores of course the fact that Warrior would get
massive damage over any lengthy fight from proc'ing the 75pt DD effect
from the Ykeshas.
Every single Paladin Holy Sword can be outdamaged easily by any decent
warrior wielding much more common weapons. Ghoulbane has a good damage
ratio for a 1H weapon, but _again_, the balancing factor is that
Paladins dont get dual wield.
I dont mind this at all, btw. Warriors are supposed to be able to out
damage Paladins.
What I do mind is Warriors who can't figure out that the Paladins
aren't running around with big slow 2H weapons because they think they
look cool.
-Rich
Thrasher
<zanthor...@tibbs.net.invalid> wrote:
>But I'm getting just a little pissed about the new weapons that come
>out, every time I see a new weapon that will set a warrior aside as the
>"Master of armed combat" that he is supposed to be, they dump a better,
>meaner, faster, cooler weapon on the pile of paladin weapons.
At leats you are getting new items, as are every other class in the
game except shaman. Which class missied out on the enhancements in the
last patch too? Verant is playing favorites but at least warriors are
on the right list. Shamans are on the shit list.
Kirk Sachs
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damage as well as if not better than any class out there. Anyway, a Bard
duel wielding Dirks can out damage my Paladin, WTF?
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Adar
A)Dirks can't be dual wielded, since they're lore items,
B)Your paladin is under level 20. Level to 20 (when you get double attack;
guess what bards don't have?) and see the difference.
Bards are many things; they're a great support class, make a good emergency
tank, and have a lot of soloing ability in the 'charm' levels (27-45)...but
giving them weapons does very little besides making them feel good. Even if
they're not playing an instrument, their best damage output is somewhere
around what a shaman could do if he wasn't forced to meditate with every
other support class...not much. The only thing a bard weapon/instrument
combo would do is to let the bard actually do some decent damage per attack
while singing instead of about 4 (since their H2H is capped at a nice, low
40.)
Oh, and to address the original idiot, shamans not only got their new suit
of armor along with everyone else, they have a whole bunch of new weapons in
Kedge, and some new things in PoH as well. Before you whine, at least check
your information.
Brudo (E'ci)
Loredaeron (E'ci)
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> This deserves a plonk...but I'm feeling nice.
Plonk? Ask me if I care...
> A)Dirks can't be dual wielded, since they're lore items,
I inspected him and saw him a Dirk, didn't check out the weapon in his other
hand though, presumed it was the same thing, my bad.
John Henders
>Bards have plenty of unique weapons,
Name one.
your musical instruments can heal and
>damage as well as if not better than any class out there. Anyway, a Bard
>duel wielding Dirks can out damage my Paladin, WTF?
I find this extremely hard to believe. Do you have logs to show it?
Bard's melee is pretty crappy at higher levels when other classes
bonuses kick in.
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Zanthor <zanthor...@tibbs.net.invalid> wrote:
> First, Let me inform you, I'm a 45th level Dark Elven Warrior. I've
> got over 65 days /played, and love the game.
>
> out, every time I see a new weapon that will set a warrior aside as
the
> "Master of armed combat" that he is supposed to be, they dump a
better,
> meaner, faster, cooler weapon on the pile of paladin weapons.
And it's fair if the warrior class got all these weapons? Then every
ranger, SK, paladin and rogue would be bitching. Everytime there is a
new patch or weapon found, all the tanks just start freaking out, 'cause
there is a "new" kick-ass weapon that they can't use. I guarantee
you'll soon have the "best" weapon again (then everyone else can start
bitching).
>
> Really, the new weapon found today, Darkmetal Holy Water Sprinkler, 16
> dam 29 delay +4 wis! This is the BEST 1H weapon in the game, and
> apsolutly devalues the purpose of a warrior in a group!
>
Yup. You'll never get into a group again.
[snip]
> Paladins have quests to get any number of nice weapons, many nice
> weapons to kill mobs to get, and so forth. Shadow knights have no
> worthy quest weapons, nor do Warriors. Many of the paladins weapons
> are hands down stronger than warriors weapons making them amore
> desirable Meelee class.
Langseaxe of the Wolves. Period. Simple, easy, quest to get a weapon
that will last you well into your mid-30s. Name me a class that can get
a weapon like that with a group of people at level 17. There isn't any.
Bladestorm? Have you seen this weapon. Executioners Axe? Mithril 2H?
As far as I know, these weapons are superior to the Paladins weapon.
Besides, any group who wanted a real tank would take a warrior over a
paladin any day (irregardless of weapons).
Desmei Sightblinder
Lvl 31 Bard [Povar]
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Zanthor
I've got 1H Slash at 200, 2H Slash at 188, 1H Blunt in the mid 80's,
just need a decent weapon to use and it would max quickly, 2H Blunt in
the mid 80's, and hand to hand in the mid 40's.
The problem is there is SO little variety for Warrior equipment, and
even less that is Warrior Only - I have to compete with every Ranger,
Rogue and Bard in the game to get the Ykesha - the BEST 1H slash
outside of a Plane.
Zanthor
In article <7vvn4m$f0a$1...@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "Sentry"
<mi...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> What if, tomorrow, you got a weapon that was 35 damage, 40 delay
> and proc'd
> engulfing darkness, but it was 2H blunt? :)
> The number of paladins who are adept in 1H blunt are few.
> Personally if I
> was with a paladin that was using this weapon and obviously had
> never
> touched a 1H blunt before in his life I'd tell him to switch
> weapons or
> leave the group, because he should be there to contribute, not use
> other
> people to help him build his skill.
> Zanthor wrote in message
> <01906254...@usw-ex0101-004.remarq.com>...
> >First, Let me inform you, I'm a 45th level Dark Elven Warrior.
> I've
> >got over 65 days /played, and love the game.
> >
> >But I'm getting just a little pissed about the new weapons that
> come
> >out, every time I see a new weapon that will set a warrior aside
> as the
> >"Master of armed combat" that he is supposed to be, they dump a
> better,
> >meaner, faster, cooler weapon on the pile of paladin weapons.
> >
> >Really, the new weapon found today, Darkmetal Holy Water
> Sprinkler, 16
> >dam 29 delay +4 wis! This is the BEST 1H weapon in the game, and
> >apsolutly devalues the purpose of a warrior in a group!
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Karxom
dual wielding them. Second, they are described by right-clicking on
them as rogue only. Have not seen a bard using them nor have I tried
to use one with a bard.
As to paladin weapons.. I have a 24th lvl paladin. Camped got a bbc at
19th. Camped got a BIBs at 22nd. Camped got a ghoulsbane at 24th lvl
with a mid 20s 6 man group. Holy sprinkler is an awesome weapon.
Makes a ykesha look bad. If you are trying to say its justified
because paladins dont get dual wield that is an entirely different
issue, one of play balance and then I can say ya but warriors dont get
spells or lay hands... completely irrelevant. The real issue I see is
this, most warriors, want to dual wield, the really awesome warrior
weapons (planes weapons) are 2handers. I think there should be some
awesome 1handers, either do not make them lore or put a few in so you
can dual the 2 different weapons like the rogues Bone Razor and the
Rapier something along that lines, oh rangers should get the same thing
IMHO. Or make it so there are situations where you want to dual your
two spanky weapons or want to use your spanky twohander. Don't know how
this could be impd but would be another good idea. In general,
however, I do not think paladins should take over for warriors or
warriors for paladins, both are needed and both should have their place
in your groups. As a paladin, I am always backup healer. There have
been many times when the main healers(ie clerics) have ran out of mana
and my paladin has saved lives with both the obvious lay hands, and my
meager healing spells.
just my 2 cents.
Zanthor
dam 24 delay Boil Blood proc. This is dropped by Cazic Thule himself.
The best 1H Weapon in the game is a Paladin only weapon from Hate -
This is NOT a god toy like Bloodfire is.
As for Paladins not getting Dual Wield - who gives a crap - That mace
is better than MOST warrior usable 2H Weapon, including Bladestorm the
Katana of Steel Sleet because it's proc is broken with no ETA on repair
from Verant. It also allows the paladin to wield a shield while he has
a weapon of 2H quality in his other hand. Big Damage, Low Delay, Bash,
Extra Ac, Extra Stat Bonus (From Shield)... Really, what more can you
ask for?
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Zanthor
wrote:
Tier'dal, Ogre and Troll's can't do that quest. Granted, they can work
their faction up and maybe get it that way, but I'm a Tier'dal and the
most evil race to grace the surface of Norath. Is it to much to ask
for weapons of quality that an evil race can get?
Zanthor
> Langseaxe of the Wolves. Period. Simple, easy, quest to get a
> weapon
> that will last you well into your mid-30s. Name me a class that
> can get
> a weapon like that with a group of people at level 17. There
> isn't any.
Bladestrom - Nice, Proc broken though.
Executioners Axe - Nice, for a level 30-35, outmoded by 40th.
Mithril 2H - Nice, Good weapon to use if you like 2H
And speaking of 2H - No good tank uses 2H slash if he can dual wield -
LOTS of small attacks makes for better Taunting than slow hammering
attacks.
> Bladestorm? Have you seen this weapon. Executioners Axe?
> Mithril 2H?
> As far as I know, these weapons are superior to the Paladins
> weapon.
> Besides, any group who wanted a real tank would take a warrior
> over a
> paladin any day (irregardless of weapons).
> Desmei Sightblinder
> Lvl 31 Bard [Povar]
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> Before you buy.
But what do I know...
Zanthor
Mike
obviously i'm glad they thought of bards when they itemized PoH =) i have
gotten the following items...
Six Note Blade: dmg11 del25 wt3 bard only (lore)
Martune Rapier: dmg8 del23 5str 4agi bard only (lore)
Kelin's Seven Stringed Lute: dex9 cha15 agi9
i have heard of someone getting Evensong, a mace with the same stats as the
Six Note Blade. so there are 3 new bard only weapons, unfortunately yes
only in the plane of hate. and don't forget the bard npc in the temple of
solusek ro will have a "special bardic weapon" quest soon.
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Mike
the fluxbladed axe for rangers, the bloodfire and amygdalan tail for
warriors... all 1handers from PoF, and all extremely nice. for other
classes , as you mentioned there is the bone razor and eyerazzia for rogues
in PoF, and in PoH other than the holy water sprinkler for paladins is the
six note blade, evensong, and martune rapier for bards. lotsa very nice
1handers around in the planes.
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dre
lvl 50 warrior, last week on poh and there were swords pouring from
everywhere. He said it was a 300 pt proc.
Zanthor
like the wizard spell does damage to the caster (or in a PvP+
environment, all players) in the AOE - And 300 damage/proc to a
warrior is death on a stick if they have half ass decent dex.
Zanthor
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