The first GAY EQ guild.
Anubis
can't all be totally heterosexual. The only time I've ever heard the word
gay on everquest is when some bratty teen has been flaming the behaviour of
some equally bratty teen in a, "God Kroax is just soooo gay!" shout across
the greater Feydark.
There are about 30,000 people playing EQ each night. There must be enough
people willing to start up a gay guild on one of the servers. We can take
the fight for our liberation to Norrath and bask in our pride under the moon
on the Plains of Karana. We will stand for equality and have a good laugh
to boot.
Will we NOT be turning Misty Thicket into the next Hampstead Heath cruising
grounds, nor transforming downtown Freeport into a Soho tall skinny
mocchachino coffee village.(Actually I like the sound of that. I do like the
blind fish in Neriak. It's kinda chintzy with its underwater windows and
there is that three tiered nightclub place in the foreign quarter, we could
try and get Madonna there one night to PA)
We need a name. No cheesy ideas please and nothing with gay in the title.
I'm thinking something about the Rainbow flag like Rainbow Warriors or
Freedom Fighters or....(didn't I just say nothing cheesy!)
Anyway we can debate on that.
So if you want to burst out of your EQ closet and get involved all over
again in those gay's in the Freeport militia and the clergy arguments,(We
can have gay clerics and....oh my GOD!!!! Gay weddings!! Hey they have them
in Amsterdam so why not Queynos!) then reply now or e-mail me directly.
We will be marching through the streets on Freeport Pride day before you
know it.
For all those in the UK too, have a great time this Saturday at the Mardi
Gras!!
David.
(Dazzle on Erollisi Marr. Give me a tell tonight if you're playing and
interested in the guild. Remember we can make it on any server so just /tell
me and I'll get a list of e-mail addresses of those who want to form the
guild.)
N.B. Please don't e-mail me with homophobic abuse. I've heard it all before
trust me and will have no qualms about forwarding the mail to verant
directly.
Eugormi - M Marr
the latin list I'm using..
exhilaro : to make cheerful.
hilaris : cheerful, merry, gay.
mutatio : change, alteration, transformation
volubilis : rolling, revolving, turning around /changeable, inconstant.
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MerryMen, or an all bard group the Flesh Flutiers, hehe.
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>N.B. Please don't e-mail me with homophobic abuse. I've heard it all before
>trust me and will have no qualms about forwarding the mail to verant
>directly.
What makes you think Verant wants to see your hatemail?
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Anubis
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> How about the Flaming Pokers, or Daisy Parade, or Bunga Warriors, or
Buddy's
> MerryMen, or an all bard group the Flesh Flutiers, hehe.
Boy that's funny. Where did you find such interesting ideas? Redneck
weekly?
Shad
Dan Harmon
Eugormi - M Marr <oes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm looking up guild names for a new clan and I figured I give you some
from
> the latin list I'm using..
>
> exhilaro : to make cheerful.
> hilaris : cheerful, merry, gay.
> mutatio : change, alteration, transformation
> volubilis : rolling, revolving, turning around /changeable, inconstant.
>
Mutatio? A tad close to Felatio, don't ya think?
Oooh, good name for ya, then. :)
dain...@ix.netcom.com
>how bout the Backdoor Boys?
While some of these suggestions are rather amusing in a juvenile sort of way,
I'm sure they're demeaning and hurtful to the gay gamers out there. If asked
for our help naming a guild for black players, and people posted racial comments
to the newsgroup, I'm sure they'd get flamed pretty hard for it. No form of
bigotry is more acceptable than any other.
Try to be a tad more sensitive to others, people...
==========================
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burned like a moth in a flame
and our world was so fucking gone"
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Ultra Conservatives of Felwithe. hehe.
Ok that was dumb but I tried =)
In article <7ldgem$1ca6$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>,
Mike Wilson, UCE Account
> How about the Flaming Pokers, or Daisy Parade, or Bunga Warriors, or Buddy's
> MerryMen, or an all bard group the Flesh Flutiers, hehe.
Buhahahaha! Thats funny :)
Why do people wanna bring in this sorta crap into EQ is beyond me. Maybe
they lack or desire attention.
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Dan Harmon
firmly believe that the majority of EQ players have no life (I know I
don't).
Now, I'm not sure if you're gay, cracking on a straight poster; or the other
way around, but it doesn't matter...same answer.
Mike Wilson, UCE Account <uce_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Ryan
This is a really GAY idea.
Hehe
>
>
> Anubis <dehinc...@easynet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:7ldgem$1ca6$1...@quince.news.easynet.net...
Desdinova
>Boy that's funny. Where did you find such interesting ideas? Redneck
>weekly?
Not all of us rednecks are flaming homophobes.
Just so you know.
Desdinova
High-tech Redneck
Desdinova
>Ok I've been thinking about this for a while now and I feel that Norrath
>can't all be totally heterosexual. The only time I've ever heard the word
>gay on everquest is when some bratty teen has been flaming the behaviour of
>some equally bratty teen in a, "God Kroax is just soooo gay!" shout across
>the greater Feydark.
<snip>
A few thoughts:
1) There are no explicitly heterosexual guilds. Thus, I'm not
certain I see a need or a place for an explicitly homosexual guild.
Sexuality seems so completely irrelevant to the in-game mechanics in
general, and to the guild mechanics in particular, that I just don't
see any reason to base a guild on any particular aspect of sexuality,
be it heterosexuality, homosexuality, BDSM, or what-have-you.
a) Depending on how Verant feels about catering to the
"pro-family" [sic] crowd, they may just simply refuse to create a
guild based on homosexuality. I have no way of knowing how they'd
react, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if they decided to cater
to the "pro-family" [sic] crowd. Then again, the people working for
Verant are probably more liberal than conservative, so it wouldn't
surprise me if they had completely the opposite opinion.
2) There are many explicitly heterosexual weddings. What's
sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, I say, and more power to
anybody who wants to have an in character same-sex wedding. If you
have it on Innoruuk, I might even attend just to help flame the
homophobes.
a) One problem to consider is that if two females playing
female characters got married in character, pretty much everyone would
assume that both female characters were played by over-stimulated
15-year-old males. This shouldn't *prevent* such marriages, but it's
certainly a cross the newlyweds would have to bear.
b) I can easily envision Verant GMs balking at participating
in such a wedding for the same reasons Verant might balk at a
homosexual guild. They might even balk to the point of refusing to
give two same-sex characters the same last name. Then again, they
might think it would be a great idea. Just depends on who Verant has
been hiring these days.
Desdinova
Humble Erudite Conjurer of the 4th Circle
Innoruuk
reube...@my-deja.com
> Uh, if we didn't lack or desire attention, we wouldn't be playing
EQ. I
> firmly believe that the majority of EQ players have no life (I know I
> don't).
Well, I have to argue this one.. I have a life.. and a very active
social life.. I like to play Everquest just as much as most.. although
I do have to fight the urge to shut Everquest down on a regular basis..
cause now the world is starting to blur and my friends are thinking I
am turning into a hermit.. hehehe.. what do they know ? Just wait until
I turn my Earth Elemental on them.. then they will understand.. Friends
Baah.... well i am PK so die all of them die.. heheh.. j/k :o)
bott...@telusplanet.spam.net
Ryan wrote:
> This is a really GAY idea.
>
> Hehe
>
> >
> >
> > Anubis <dehinc...@easynet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:7ldgem$1ca6$1...@quince.news.easynet.net...
> > >Ok I've been thinking about this for a while now and I feel that Norrath
> > >can't all be totally heterosexual. The only time I've ever heard the word
> > >gay on everquest is when some bratty teen has been flaming the behaviour
> of
> > >some equally bratty teen in a, "God Kroax is just soooo gay!" shout
> across
> > >the greater Feydark.
> > >
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bizbee wrote:
> Yn erthygl <7ldkbq$1he5$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>, sgrifenws "Anubis"
> <dehinc...@easynet.co.uk>:
>
> >
> ><bott...@telusplanet.spam.net> wrote in message
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> >> How about the Flaming Pokers, or Daisy Parade, or Bunga Warriors, or
> >Buddy's
> >> MerryMen, or an all bard group the Flesh Flutiers, hehe.
> >
> >
> >Boy that's funny. Where did you find such interesting ideas? Redneck
> >weekly?
> >
> The list of addresses at the end of his messages speaks volumes for
> his intelligence. At first glance I thought it was kind of funny, but
> taking a good look, he seems to have a personal agenda of
> organizations that irritate him or something. Gee, oddly, I don't see
> that he included the FBI on his list. No balls, I suppose.
Teddy Salad
slots will have to be expanded to include an anus box. That's where
you can equip all the tangerines and coke bottles you find in Norrath.
Get real, kids play this game.
Teddy Salad
Dundee
> 2) There are many explicitly heterosexual weddings. What's
>sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, I say, and more power to
>anybody who wants to have an in character same-sex wedding.
Wouldn't they have to move a server to Hawaii to do this?
Desdinova
>> 2) There are many explicitly heterosexual weddings. What's
>>sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, I say, and more power to
>>anybody who wants to have an in character same-sex wedding.
Dun...@SPAMSPAMSPAM.COM (Dundee) sez:
>Wouldn't they have to move a server to Hawaii to do this?
</rimshot>
Vendril
bizbee wrote:
> Personally, I'd hang out with a fag before I hang out with a guy wearing
> a tongue stud
> and an orange spike hairdo, carrying a skateboard... as a matter of
> fact, sometimes I do.... but I digress...
This is one of the least intelligent, hypocritical statements I have seen
in a while. What are you saying, exactly? You're not prejudiced against
homosexuals (yet you call them fags), but you do discriminate based solely
upon appearance? You're no better than any of the homophobes reponding to
this post, perhaps worse, seeing as you THINK you are openminded...
*plonk*
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>On 30 Jun 1999 18:43:07 GMT, "Shad" <Chf...@pcis.net> wrote:
>
>>how bout the Backdoor Boys?
>
>While some of these suggestions are rather amusing in a juvenile sort of way,
>I'm sure they're demeaning and hurtful to the gay gamers out there. If asked
>for our help naming a guild for black players, and people posted racial
> comments
>to the newsgroup, I'm sure they'd get flamed pretty hard for it. No form of
>bigotry is more acceptable than any other.
>
Seconded :) Although to be perfectly honest, I try very hard to avoid thinking
about the sexual preferences/practices of ANY of my fellow hunters, lest I go
to that scary visual place.
But hey, there are far sillier guilds out there, from what I can see. What
about an allusion to Hermes/Mercury (I think he/she is the same god; it's been
a long time since I've burrowed into mythology so don't flame me too badly if
I've remembered incorrectly)? As I recall, he/she is a hermaphrodite with both
'masculine' and 'feminine' traits. He/she is also the god of magic,
communication and a lot of other cool things, which kind of works in the EQ
roleplaying kinda universe. Okay, maybe you have to squint a little, but it's
plausible.
Just a side note - I'd be somewhat disappointed if Verant were to refuse to
recognize such a guild for purely public relations-related reasons, but I
would be downright appalled if two characters of the same sex were refused
'marriage rights' (whatever those are - other than the same last name, and the
roleplaying thingie, is there any point to in-game marriage?) . My goodness,
don't we do enough fighting about this stuff in the RealWorld?
K
Cpl. Punishment
Desdinova wrote:
> 1) There are no explicitly heterosexual guilds. Thus, I'm not
> certain I see a need or a place for an explicitly homosexual guild.
> Sexuality seems so completely irrelevant to the in-game mechanics in
> general, and to the guild mechanics in particular, that I just don't
> see any reason to base a guild on any particular aspect of sexuality,
> be it heterosexuality, homosexuality, BDSM, or what-have-you.
Indeed. As far as I know there are no guilds or factions based even on gender
(ie. brotherhoods or sisterhoods) though there may be some based on class they
are not exclusive of character race or player race. Right now the EQ community
is pretty much cosmopolitan and heading in the same direction. The concept of
guilding per sexuality is the start of allowing into EQ the same divisions we
live with out in RL. What's next? Shall I start an LDS players guild? Shall
we have guild wars between the EQ Panthers and Keynos Klux Klan? People may
stop in the middle of play to flame one another based not on what the characters
are, but what the players may be. I realize that these comments are a touch
cynical, but human nature being what it is I have reservations about allowing
the factions of RL into our fantasy world as well.
In humility,
Zyladmyr
HEF Ranger of Qeynos
Rodcet Nife
PS: Desdinova, are you ever gonna reach the fifth circle?
Charles B. Naumann
Hmmm, a redneck guild. That has some possibilities too. We
need a name....
Charles Naumann
: Boy that's funny. Where did you find such interesting ideas? Redneck
: weekly?
Pbemer
> >
> Thank you for plonking me, but chances are that you didn't, and you'll
> be here to answer this as fast as you can. Yeah, I have a lot of gay
> friends... I live near San
Blah-blah-blah-blah-blah...
<Snip self-righteous drivel>
> God you PC asswipes make me want to fucking PUKE!!! So, make
> no mistake about the intent behind my words when I say <fuck you>,
> bubba.
Yadda-yadda-yadda
<Snip even more offensive language >
> If brains were cotton, you couldn't make a tampon for a flea!
> Man, have YOU got a lot to learn about life! What a fucking idiot!
Tell us what you REALLY Think...
Damien
experience? no pun intended hehe
dain...@ix.netcom.com wrote in message
<377a6c8d...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
>On 30 Jun 1999 18:43:07 GMT, "Shad" <Chf...@pcis.net> wrote:
>
>>how bout the Backdoor Boys?
>
>While some of these suggestions are rather amusing in a juvenile sort of
way,
>I'm sure they're demeaning and hurtful to the gay gamers out there. If
asked
>for our help naming a guild for black players, and people posted racial
comments
>to the newsgroup, I'm sure they'd get flamed pretty hard for it. No form
of
>bigotry is more acceptable than any other.
>
diana
If you are too drunk to fish.
If your Barbarian has cowboy boots.
If you refer to your Fire bolt as cajun cookin
If You have potted meat and crackers in your inventory.
If the color of your banded armor is bondo.
If you request your bard to play The Devil Went down to Texas.
If you refer to your guildmaster as Bubba.
If you discuss the different lures for fishing while hunting bears.
If you honestly think that women are turned on by animal noises and
seductive tongue gestures.
If you have ever asked,"Are you a real female?"
Charles B. Naumann wrote in message ...
Jim Williams
I discriminate based solely upon appearance, upon breath odor, upon height,
weight, or any other damned criteria I chose. You're a hypocrite for
suggesting that there's anything wrong with the alleged homophobes
responding to the thread. Apparently by your reasoning, if they don't
welcome homosexuals with open arms, they're "homophobes", ie, *afraid* of
homosexuality. What a crock.
Jim Williams
of
>bigotry is more acceptable than any other.
In theory, you're right. In practice... consider all the redneck comments
that are considered perfectly acceptable.
>
>Try to be a tad more sensitive to others, people...
You tell 'im :)
Anubis
tought to line dance in a gay bar called the Roundup and had one of the most
hysterical nights ever. You haven't lived until you have seen 20 lesbians
two-stepping. I loved it. Plus the cowboy hat thing was a complete novelty
too as I always thought that you only saw them in the movies. BTW cowboy
country is like redneck country isn't it? Or is that something else?
Your's, haven't had much experience with stateside sociology,
David
Desdinova <abu...@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> "Anubis" <dehinc...@easynet.co.uk> sez:
>
> >Boy that's funny. Where did you find such interesting ideas? Redneck
> >weekly?
>
Desdinova
>Indeed. As far as I know there are no guilds or factions based even on gender
>(ie. brotherhoods or sisterhoods) though there may be some based on class they
>are not exclusive of character race or player race. Right now the EQ community
>is pretty much cosmopolitan and heading in the same direction. The concept of
>guilding per sexuality is the start of allowing into EQ the same divisions we
>live with out in RL. What's next? Shall I start an LDS players guild? Shall
>we have guild wars between the EQ Panthers and Keynos Klux Klan? People may
>stop in the middle of play to flame one another based not on what the characters
>are, but what the players may be.
This was another issue that I considered but didn't touch on.
I am amused by the fact that there are doubtless complete and utter
racists playing the game who regularly hunt with players who belong to
an ethnic group that the racist would otherwise not associate with. I
think this is a good (albeit subtle) thing, and I'd hate to see it go
away because someone started a guild based on a RL characteristic
(whatever that characteristic might be).
>PS: Desdinova, are you ever gonna reach the fifth circle?
Real Soon Now.
I'm currently on vacation, visiting the Mother Ship in
deepest, darkest Louisiana. I haven't played Everquest since last
Thursday. Won't get to play it again until sometime Saturday
afternoon.
I had an eViL SkEeM to get my Everquest fix, but alas I was
thwarted. I knew that my m0m's computer wouldn't play Everquest
because it had no 3D card, only 16 megs of RAM, and not nearly enough
disk space. So I didn't bother bringing Everquest with me. When my
girlfriend and I arrived, my m0m told me that she wanted me to upgrade
her computer.
!
So I purchased her an 8.4 gig hard drive, a Creative Labs
Savage4 3D card, and 64 megs of RAM. My goal was to get it all
installed and set up, and then once I got it working, I was going to
go to the local Babbages, buy Everquest, play it for a week, and then
take it back for a refund before I went back home.
Nearly 2 full days later (most of which was spent with an
opened computer on my lap and Tech Support on the phone) I had
*finally* gotten the hard drive and the video card to work (after much
wailing and gnashing of teeth). But I was unsuccessful in my efforts
to get the RAM to work. Dunno why. The specs say that it should, but
it don't. So now my m0m has a computer with 16 megs of RAM, and a
video card with 32 megs of RAM. And my dreams of playing EQ fell by
the wayside.
Ah well...
Desdinova
>I know I spent a month in America and stayed in Dallas for 3 weeks. I was
>tought to line dance in a gay bar called the Roundup and had one of the most
>hysterical nights ever.
In Shreveport, Louisiana, there is one gay bar. It's called
Central Station due to it being an old converted train station. One
half of the bar is a typical dance club. The other half is a cowboy
bar.
>You haven't lived until you have seen 20 lesbians
>two-stepping.
Having worked in a redneck bar, I would go further and say
that you haven't lived until you've seen a group of anybody (gay,
straight or uncommitted) line dancing to Clarence Carter's "Strokin'".
>I loved it. Plus the cowboy hat thing was a complete novelty
>too as I always thought that you only saw them in the movies.
Nope. It's part of the get-up for Saturday night dancin',
just like the double-breasted cowboy shirt and the Lee Jeans with the
worn circle in the back pocket where the can of Skoal belongs...
>BTW cowboy
>country is like redneck country isn't it? Or is that something else?
The distinctions are subtle, and mostly meaningless except to
the purists. Alan Jackson and George Strait are country. David Allan
Coe and Charlie Daniels are rednecks.
Desdinova
his own post and sez:
> 1) There are no explicitly heterosexual guilds. Thus, I'm not
>certain I see a need or a place for an explicitly homosexual guild.
>Sexuality seems so completely irrelevant to the in-game mechanics in
>general, and to the guild mechanics in particular, that I just don't
>see any reason to base a guild on any particular aspect of sexuality,
>be it heterosexuality, homosexuality, BDSM, or what-have-you.
Upon re-reading my post, I think the first two sentences in my
paragraph above are extraneous to the point of the paragraph.
Remus Shepherd
>> Personally, I'd hang out with a fag before I hang out with a guy wearing
>> a tongue stud
>> and an orange spike hairdo, carrying a skateboard... as a matter of
>> fact, sometimes I do.... but I digress...
Personally, I prefer the tongue-studded, PA-wearing, skateboard riding,
orange spike hairdo wearing fags, myself. MUCH more interesting people. ;)
Look, this is a non-issue here. There are things that trigger other
people's disdain, and everyone has different triggers. For me, it's
republicans. ;) Just learn to live together, and if they want to create
their own club, as long as they don't hurt anyone else just ignore them.
.... ...
Remus Shepherd (re...@netcom.com)
Cpl. Punishment
> I had an eViL SkEeM to get my Everquest fix, but alas I was
> thwarted. I knew that my m0m's computer wouldn't play Everquest
> because it had no 3D card, only 16 megs of RAM, and not nearly enough
> disk space. So I didn't bother bringing Everquest with me. When my
> girlfriend and I arrived, my m0m told me that she wanted me to upgrade
> her computer.
Yo,
I live in the heart of Silicon Valley and I'd just like to confirm what you've
implied.
There are computers in Louisiana?
Jim Williams
spambots. At least in his opinion. All the FBI can do is shoot boys in the
back and mothers with babes-in-arm, and burn up religious compounds. Oh, and
investigate alleged atrocities committed on foreign soil by (some)
foreigners against (some other) foreigners. But then I don't like the FBI.
bizbee wrote in message <379a6857...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
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><dehinc...@easynet.co.uk>:
>The list of addresses at the end of his messages speaks volumes for
Jim Williams
nice guy for badmouthing them. Calling a tail a leg a thousand times doesn't
make it a leg, and calling people who disapprove of homosexuality "ignorant"
a million times doesn't make them ignorant, nor does it make you
intelligent.
bizbee wrote in message <37945f29...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
>For what it's worth, The attempt was made in UO on the Sonoma shard,
>with a group called "Friends of Dorothy", who claimed the sign of the
>"Pink Triangle" as their symbol.
>I talked with the initial founder, who seemed to be living in the
>clouds as far as others' opinions were concerned. He seemed dedicated
>to the "We're here, and we're queer, so get over it" attitude, which
>pretty much works in real life, but in a game full of ignorant,
>immature little children (at least mentally), it's much tougher. I
>personally saw nothing wrong with what the guy was up to, but a lot of
>people were screaming the usual "THE CHILDREN, MAN! THINK OF THE
>CHILDREN!" which, in and of itself is pretty stupid, since those
>children are, for the most part, the cruelest, most ignorant,
>homophobic hatemongers around. I thought that the guild name and their
>chosen symbol were obscure enough that most of the little bigot
>dickweed intolerant kiddies (you know, the ones who all profess to be
>so open and willing to accept differences in people? Personally, I'd
>hang out with a fag before I hang out with a guy wearing a tongue stud
>and an orange spike hairdo, carrying a skateboard... as a matter of
>fact, sometimes I do.... but I digress...), blatantly obvious to other
>homosexuals, and only passively obvious to some other adults. The
>guild lasted a short while, long enough to establish a tower as
>headquarters (no pun intended), but eventually faded away due to lack
>of interest, and harassment once the word got out and the children
>started hanging out waiting to start fights and rob them.
>It's an uphill fight, I wish you luck, but don't be too disappointed
>if you get harassed out of existence.
>
Popedo, Glowing Gnome of Clan Unterpahnz
>On 30 Jun 1999 18:43:07 GMT, "Shad" <Chf...@pcis.net> wrote:
>
>>how bout the Backdoor Boys?
>
>While some of these suggestions are rather amusing in a juvenile sort of way,
>I'm sure they're demeaning and hurtful to the gay gamers out there. If asked
>for our help naming a guild for black players, and people posted racial comments
>bigotry is more acceptable than any other.
>
Bravo.
--
Popedo, Glowing Gnome of Clan Unterpahnz
28th Level Warrior, Povar Server
Desdinova
>Yo,
>
>I live in the heart of Silicon Valley and I'd just like to confirm what you've
>implied.
>
>There are computers in Louisiana?
Ooops. The secret is out now. There goes our plot to take
over the world via a shrewd flanking maneuver.
Damn my eyes.
Desdinova
(We have hot and cold running bits, too!)
Martin
<"arnorama<SPAMTRAP>"@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>Desdinova wrote:
>
>> 1) There are no explicitly heterosexual guilds. Thus, I'm not
>> certain I see a need or a place for an explicitly homosexual guild.
>> Sexuality seems so completely irrelevant to the in-game mechanics in
>> general, and to the guild mechanics in particular, that I just don't
>> see any reason to base a guild on any particular aspect of sexuality,
>> be it heterosexuality, homosexuality, BDSM, or what-have-you.
>
>Indeed. As far as I know there are no guilds or factions based even on gender
>(ie. brotherhoods or sisterhoods)+
In fact On Rallos Zek there is a all-female Tier'Dal guild.
I think this whole thing is a roleplaying game.
So the guilds are (should) be a part of a roleplaying scheme.
So why the hell should one NOT play a homosexual character?
Why should there not be a guild for those characters?
The whole pint to it is - its all about characters not real people.
There's racial bigotry and fascism in this game and nobody gives a
shit. I don't give a shit. It's a game and I play a bigot Tier'Dal.
Or the race war server. It's all about fascism, isn't it?
BTW Everytime I see one of those pasty high elves, I must
think of one or two of my gay friends. (Nope I'm not)
Martin Holc
Desdinova
>I think this whole thing is a roleplaying game.
>So the guilds are (should) be a part of a roleplaying scheme.
>So why the hell should one NOT play a homosexual character?
I don't think that Cpl. Punishment was suggesting that nobody
should play a homosexual character. I know for a fact that I wasn't.
>Why should there not be a guild for those characters?
The proposed guild was (at least in my interpretation, and in
the interpretation of at least one other person) a guild for
homosexual *players*. I, at least, have issues with the notion of any
guild being formed based on the real life characteristics of the
*players*, regardless of whether that characteristic is sexual in
nature, racial in nature, or any other RL characteristic.
If someone were to posit a guild for homosexual *characters*,
I wouldn't have a philosophical objection to it. However, from a
practical standpoint how could you tell if the character really was
homosexual, or was just claiming it to join the guild and harass
everybody for being "fags"?
Martin
>mar...@bsy.de (Martin) sez:
>
>>I think this whole thing is a roleplaying game.
>>So the guilds are (should) be a part of a roleplaying scheme.
>>So why the hell should one NOT play a homosexual character?
>
> I don't think that Cpl. Punishment was suggesting that nobody
>should play a homosexual character. I know for a fact that I wasn't.
I didn't want to make this impression, sorry, the Question was
NOT directed on Cpl. Punishment's post.
>>Why should there not be a guild for those characters?
>
> The proposed guild was (at least in my interpretation, and in
>the interpretation of at least one other person) a guild for
>homosexual *players*. I, at least, have issues with the notion of any
>guild being formed based on the real life characteristics of the
>*players*, regardless of whether that characteristic is sexual in
>nature, racial in nature, or any other RL characteristic.
Mmmmh there are guilds for German Players, where's the difference?
If gay people want to play with gay people why shouldn't they form a
guild?
> If someone were to posit a guild for homosexual *characters*,
>I wouldn't have a philosophical objection to it. However, from a
>practical standpoint how could you tell if the character really was
>homosexual, or was just claiming it to join the guild and harass
>everybody for being "fags"?
The same goes to any other guild. How do you keep the jerks out?
Kick them when you fing out. There's a /ignore for that kind of
assholes. (BTW too less slots in /ignore)
Martin
Vendril
Jim Williams wrote:
> egotistical of you to think he cares if you plonk him...
>
> I discriminate based solely upon appearance, upon breath odor, upon height,
> weight, or any other damned criteria I chose. You're a hypocrite for
> suggesting that there's anything wrong with the alleged homophobes
> responding to the thread. Apparently by your reasoning, if they don't
> welcome homosexuals with open arms, they're "homophobes", ie, *afraid* of
> homosexuality. What a crock.
If you actually read what I wrote, I only accused him of being a hypocrite, I
didn't mention the word homophobe once. I didn't offer any reasoning as to why
homophobes cannot respond to the post. He just went on this long-winded tirade
that I thought was laughable, so I responded.
I don't know if he cares that I plonked him or not. I only mentioned it to
save him the trouble of responding.
--
Vendril
DuskRunner
>Desdinova wrote:
>
>>[edited] I, at least, have issues with the notion of any
>>guild being formed based on the real life characteristics of the
>>*players*, regardless of whether that characteristic is sexual in
>>nature, racial in nature, or any other RL characteristic.
>
>Mmmmh there are guilds for German Players, where's the difference?
Just a thought, mind, but maybe so they can group with others who speak
more German than English?
>If gay people want to play with gay people why shouldn't they form a
>guild?
*shrugs* Beats me.
DuskRunner
--
My Guild will only have Players who are in mixed-race relationships to
promote racial diversity. (Hehe, just teasing - though it's appealing. My
fiance would approve, I'm sure... :)
Irrdani (Rodcet Nife)
problem with homosexuals that I do if they weren't so much in your face
about it. I believe in the golden rule..but Jeez! I don't ram it down
anyone's throat (npi) that I'm Hetero...why should anyone else be cut any
slack for doing the same about any _other_ sexual preference?
It's noone elses business....keep it that way.
Dan
In article <7le6i8$sio$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Teddy Salad <teddy...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> Are you petitioning Verant to make a new patch? The personal
inventory
> slots will have to be expanded to include an anus box. That's where
> you can equip all the tangerines and coke bottles you find in Norrath.
> Get real, kids play this game.
>
> Teddy Salad
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Dan
Anubis
I want to make a guild where gay players can roleplay together. They will
undoubtedly roleplay gay characters. Whether this will actually be apparent
to anyone who meets them doesn't matter to me. Why people are so bothered
about a small group of people that they will probably never play on the same
server as let alone bump into on that server beats me. We will not be
screaming around like crazy fags turning children into nellies at every
turn.
I just wanted to meet and group with other gay people/characters and have a
laugh.
My original post was misinterpreted by many people. I was joking about
Freeport Pride etc etc. It was meant to be funny and lighthearted yet this
thread is now heavy with bickering and predjudice.
The e-mails I have had myself were from other gay players on EQ. They were
all interested in grouping up and we will do whether it is under the banner
of whatever guild we make or not.
As for replies about not posting such mind bending ideals on
newsgroups??????
How the hell am I supposed to get a message to other gay players to tell
them of this?? GAYDAR?????
If you're not interested then don't read it.
Certainly don't get out your wooden pyres like so many have. Chill out.
Thanks for all the positive posts. This wasn't meant to cause such a stir.
David.
Alasdair Allan
> I think those are all names of organizations that might take action
against
> spambots. At least in his opinion. All the FBI can do is shoot boys in the
> back and mothers with babes-in-arm, and burn up religious compounds.
Wow, you really are one of those Militia wankers. I suspected it from a few
of your posts but I guess this confirms it.
> Oh, and
> investigate alleged atrocities committed on foreign soil by (some)
> foreigners against (some other) foreigners. But then I don't like the FBI.
No wonder, they probably protect the very few non-gun crazy Seppos from
gattling wielding nutters like you.
--
Alasdair Allan, Ibrox, Glasgow |England - Country where Marx developed
x-st...@null.net | the basis of Communism
X-Static's Rangers Webzine |Scotland - Country where Smith developed
http://www.x-static.demon.co.uk/ | the basis of Capitalism
Alasdair Allan
> Yn erthygl <7le2vk$i...@newsops.execpc.com>, sgrifenws Vendril
> <vb...@hotmail.com>:
> >This is one of the least intelligent, hypocritical statements I have seen
> >in a while. What are you saying, exactly? You're not prejudiced against
> >homosexuals (yet you call them fags), but you do discriminate based
solely
> >upon appearance? You're no better than any of the homophobes reponding
to
> >this post, perhaps worse, seeing as you THINK you are openminded...
> >
> >
> >*plonk*
> be here to answer this as fast as you can. Yeah, I have a lot of gay
> I work in the food industy, and am relatively active in what we
> loosely call "The Arts" around the Bay Area. I'd say close to half the
> people I run with are active in the gay/lesbian community. Yeah, I get
> to call them fags. If you don't like it, that's pretty much tough
> shit. I wondered who would be the first complete moron that bit on
> that sentence. God you PC asswipes make me want to fucking PUKE!!! As
> Lenny Bruce said "They're just words." And as George Carlin said, say
> it over and over and over out loud. You'll realize its just words .
> It's the intent behind the words, not the words themselves. So, make
> no mistake about the intent behind my words when I say <fuck you>,
> bubba.
> person looks. When was the last time you saw a federal judge sporting
> a nose ring or purple hair? Not that I want to hang out with federal
> judges, mind you. When I see some prick with his head shaved and a
> swastika tattooed on his neck, I'm repulsed. When I see someone with
> Nuestra Familia tattoos on him, I stay the fuck away. So, you're
> telling me that you place NO importance on looks? Why not? The people
> <sporting> those looks go to great lengths to make their "personal
> statement to society" by presenting themselves a certain way. So,
> based on the way they want people to perceive them, I will judge the
> way I feel about them on that. So now you're saying that I shouldn't
> base what I think of people based on the way they <want> me to? Tell
> you what, moron, start a business (besides the skateboard business),
> and insist that your entire staff look like they just walked off the
> set of The Road Warrior.... see how well your business does... it
> won't take long, maybe a month before you're history in the business
> world. You're a fucking idiot if you think otherwise.
> Go comb that bozo-the-clown hairdo, and oil up those tats, fella, your
> skateboard is waiting for you.
> And here YOU are, telling me all about myself, based on a casual
> encounter in a newsgroup, based on the sole fact that I used the word
> <fag> in one sentence.....LOL.... talk about immature and judgemental!
> If brains were cotton, you couldn't make a tampon for a flea!
> Man, have YOU got a lot to learn about life! What a fucking idiot!
Your probably aware I prefer the shorter, sharper form of put down but hats
off, thats a classic.
Alasdair Allan
> bizbee wrote:
>
> > Personally, I'd hang out with a fag before I hang out with a guy wearing
> > a tongue stud
> > and an orange spike hairdo, carrying a skateboard... as a matter of
> > fact, sometimes I do.... but I digress...
>
> in a while. What are you saying, exactly? You're not prejudiced against
> homosexuals (yet you call them fags)
Its quite common for gay communities to "take back" words that have been
used to try and offend them and change the meaning to be a non-offensive
one.
How does the Homer Simpson quote go "You can't call yourself fags and
queers. How am I going to insult you".
Lokari
>This is one of the least intelligent, hypocritical statements I have seen
>in a while. What are you saying, exactly? You're not prejudiced against
>homosexuals (yet you call them fags), but you do discriminate based solely
>upon appearance?
Works for me. After all, homosexuals don't *choose* to be gay, they
simply are. I would no more hate a homosexual based on their sexual
preferences than I would an African for the color of their skin, or an
oriental for the shape of their eyes.
When I excersize prejudice, it is always, without exception, in
response to conscious, voluntary actions on the part of someone.
Lokari
>If you actually read what I wrote, I only accused him of being a hypocrite, I
>didn't mention the word homophobe once.
You should read what you wrote as well:
Millhouse
Michcarey
sensitivity.
I despise homophobes, but maybe you should ignore dumb jokes (those that are
smutty rather than hateful), or return fire with fire rather than insist on
more politeness. In the end bristling at every percieved slight changes no
minds, and demeans the currency of outrage when you have to respond to the more
dangerous kind of bigotry.
It all adds to what critic Bob Hughes summed up perfectly as the "culture of
complaint." Besides, robust exchanges are a hell of a lot more fun
Michael
Ewen
a problem with it. Mind you, I may have to rethink
taking up fletching as a trade. :o)
Anubis
Ewen <bl...@Blank.net> wrote in message
news:hoNe3.4080$dp1.1...@nnrp4.clara.net...
> Can't say I see the need for it, but I don't have
> a problem with it. Mind you, I may have to rethink
> taking up fletching as a trade. :o)
>
EEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Laughed my tits off.
V. funny
Alex Mars
through garbage. Usually brain damaged from birth by the behaviour of its
parents, it shambles around covered in sores and filth and bellowing loudly in
order to annoy its betters.
-Agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.
YogiBere
"Anubis" <dehinc...@easynet.co.uk> wrote:
> We need a name. No cheesy ideas please and nothing with gay in the
title.
> I'm thinking something about the Rainbow flag like Rainbow Warriors or
> Freedom Fighters or....(didn't I just say nothing cheesy!)
> Anyway we can debate on that.
Some GREAT names for your guild: Staff Greasers, Crack Rammers,
Duckbill Wristers, or Hardthrusts of Norrath. By the way, I have no
prejudice against those who choose the homosexual lifestyle.
Steven Le
Sure their are guilds on EQ that are mostly or happen to be only
heterosexul, we can start one that is mostly about heterosexuls. So
then heterosexuls can roleplay together and have fun. Then we can
also bask in the pride we are heterosexuls. Their could be Heterosexul
Pride Marches. Now I wonder what flag we can use, this I don't know.
IMO I don't want to know of people's sex lives on EQ, and I don't want
it to turn in to a gay vs heterosexul pride marches. This is more of
a 'adult' topic(IMO) and not a good idea to put in a game. Just like
I don't want it to trun it to blacks vs whites. I have nothing
against gay`s, or any group, race, ect.. (IMO) Alot of people do not
care to know about people's sex lives on EQ, unless they ask. Lets
keep the real world out of EQ and keep it fansty(yes i know vage).
thanks,
Sorry to rant.....:)
On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:17:52 +0100, "Anubis"
Anubis?= Anus? Is this a joke?
<dehinc...@easynet.co.uk> wrote:
>Ok I've been thinking about this for a while now and I feel that Norrath
>can't all be totally heterosexual. The only time I've ever heard the word
>gay on everquest is when some bratty teen has been flaming the behaviour of
>some equally bratty teen in a, "God Kroax is just soooo gay!" shout across
>the greater Feydark.
>
>There are about 30,000 people playing EQ each night. There must be enough
>people willing to start up a gay guild on one of the servers. We can take
>the fight for our liberation to Norrath and bask in our pride under the moon
>on the Plains of Karana. We will stand for equality and have a good laugh
>to boot.
>
>Will we NOT be turning Misty Thicket into the next Hampstead Heath cruising
>grounds, nor transforming downtown Freeport into a Soho tall skinny
>mocchachino coffee village.(Actually I like the sound of that. I do like the
>blind fish in Neriak. It's kinda chintzy with its underwater windows and
>there is that three tiered nightclub place in the foreign quarter, we could
>try and get Madonna there one night to PA)
>
>We need a name. No cheesy ideas please and nothing with gay in the title.
>I'm thinking something about the Rainbow flag like Rainbow Warriors or
>Freedom Fighters or....(didn't I just say nothing cheesy!)
>Anyway we can debate on that.
>
>So if you want to burst out of your EQ closet and get involved all over
>again in those gay's in the Freeport militia and the clergy arguments,(We
>can have gay clerics and....oh my GOD!!!! Gay weddings!! Hey they have them
>in Amsterdam so why not Queynos!) then reply now or e-mail me directly.
>
>We will be marching through the streets on Freeport Pride day before you
>know it.
>
>For all those in the UK too, have a great time this Saturday at the Mardi
>Gras!!
>
>David.
>(Dazzle on Erollisi Marr. Give me a tell tonight if you're playing and
>interested in the guild. Remember we can make it on any server so just /tell
>me and I'll get a list of e-mail addresses of those who want to form the
>guild.)
>
>N.B. Please don't e-mail me with homophobic abuse. I've heard it all before
>trust me and will have no qualms about forwarding the mail to verant
>directly.
>
Steven Le
>
>
>bizbee wrote:
>
>> Personally, I'd hang out with a fag before I hang out with a guy wearing
>> a tongue stud
>> and an orange spike hairdo, carrying a skateboard... as a matter of
>> fact, sometimes I do.... but I digress...
>
>This is one of the least intelligent, hypocritical statements I have seen
>in a while. What are you saying, exactly? You're not prejudiced against
>homosexuals (yet you call them fags), but you do discriminate based solely
>upon appearance? You're no better than any of the homophobes reponding to
>this post, perhaps worse, seeing as you THINK you are openminded...
Appearance is the first way you judge people, because it the 1st thing
you "see" know about a person. So this can be very impotant to have a
good appearance, because your being judge for the 1st time. You don't
want to be judge badly do you?
>
>
>*plonk*
Steven Le
On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:42:15 GMT, abu...@rcn.com (Desdinova) wrote:
>"Anubis" <dehinc...@easynet.co.uk> sez:
>
>>Ok I've been thinking about this for a while now and I feel that Norrath
>>can't all be totally heterosexual. The only time I've ever heard the word
>>gay on everquest is when some bratty teen has been flaming the behaviour of
>>some equally bratty teen in a, "God Kroax is just soooo gay!" shout across
>>the greater Feydark.
>
> <snip>
>
> A few thoughts:
>
> 1) There are no explicitly heterosexual guilds. Thus, I'm not
>certain I see a need or a place for an explicitly homosexual guild.
>Sexuality seems so completely irrelevant to the in-game mechanics in
>general, and to the guild mechanics in particular, that I just don't
>see any reason to base a guild on any particular aspect of sexuality,
>be it heterosexuality, homosexuality, BDSM, or what-have-you.
>
> a) Depending on how Verant feels about catering to the
>"pro-family" [sic] crowd, they may just simply refuse to create a
>guild based on homosexuality. I have no way of knowing how they'd
>react, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if they decided to cater
>to the "pro-family" [sic] crowd. Then again, the people working for
>Verant are probably more liberal than conservative, so it wouldn't
>surprise me if they had completely the opposite opinion.
>
> 2) There are many explicitly heterosexual weddings. What's
>sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, I say, and more power to
>anybody who wants to have an in character same-sex wedding. If you
>have it on Innoruuk, I might even attend just to help flame the
>homophobes.
>
> a) One problem to consider is that if two females playing
>female characters got married in character, pretty much everyone would
>assume that both female characters were played by over-stimulated
>15-year-old males. This shouldn't *prevent* such marriages, but it's
>certainly a cross the newlyweds would have to bear.
>
> b) I can easily envision Verant GMs balking at participating
>in such a wedding for the same reasons Verant might balk at a
>homosexual guild. They might even balk to the point of refusing to
>give two same-sex characters the same last name. Then again, they
>might think it would be a great idea. Just depends on who Verant has
>been hiring these days.
Desdinova
>Nobody is ramming anything down anyone elses throats. Period.
I, at least, didn't perceive it that way. From the posts I've
read, there are a few others who likewise understood what you meant.
However, there will always (FSVO "always") be those people who
consider *any* public display of homosexuality (even just admitting
it) to be "in your face."
>We will not be
>screaming around like crazy fags turning children into nellies at every
>turn.
What?
Wait, are you sure you're reading the same copy of the Hidden
Gay Agenda(tm) that I am? "Turn heterosexual children into bull dykes
and flaming queens" is the 3rd item on the Hidden Gay Agenda(tm) *I'm*
reading. Jeez, Anubis, get with the program or I'm going to have to
ask you to turn in your Homosexual Union card.
(The preceeding paragraph was a joke. I point this out for
the humor impaired among you.)
>My original post was misinterpreted by many people. I was joking about
>Freeport Pride etc etc. It was meant to be funny and lighthearted yet this
>thread is now heavy with bickering and predjudice.
With all due respect, you shouldn't be surprised by this.
Homosexuality is a hot button issue for many folks. And as we all
should know by now, Usenet is far from being the last bastion of
rational, well-reasoned discourse.
>The e-mails I have had myself were from other gay players on EQ. They were
>all interested in grouping up and we will do whether it is under the banner
>of whatever guild we make or not.
And more power to you. I don't think that there's anything
wrong with same-sex in-character weddings. Nor do I think that
there's anything wrong with a group of gay players adventuring
together. But I'm just not certain that creating an in-game,
in-character guild based on out-of-game, out-of-character
characteristics is a good idea.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I (obviously) don't think so.
>As for replies about not posting such mind bending ideals on
>newsgroups??????
See my above remark about Usenet. :)
>How the hell am I supposed to get a message to other gay players to tell
>them of this?? GAYDAR?????
An addendum to the Hidden Gay Agenda(tm): Subvert Online
RPGs.
(Note for the humor impaired: This was another joke.)
>Thanks for all the positive posts. This wasn't meant to cause such a stir.
No worries. I knew the shit would hit the fan when I first
read your post. Usenet is nothing if not predictable.
Good luck however it turns out.
Steven Le
<posth...@x-static.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Vendril <vb...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> bizbee wrote:
>>
>> > Personally, I'd hang out with a fag before I hang out with a guy wearing
>> > a tongue stud
>> > and an orange spike hairdo, carrying a skateboard... as a matter of
>> > fact, sometimes I do.... but I digress...
>>
>> This is one of the least intelligent, hypocritical statements I have seen
>> in a while. What are you saying, exactly? You're not prejudiced against
>> homosexuals (yet you call them fags)
>
>Its quite common for gay communities to "take back" words that have been
>used to try and offend them and change the meaning to be a non-offensive
>one.
>
>How does the Homer Simpson quote go "You can't call yourself fags and
>queers. How am I going to insult you".
Good quote :P
lol
Desdinova
>Can't say I see the need for it, but I don't have
>a problem with it. Mind you, I may have to rethink
>taking up fletching as a trade. :o)
There's a running joke amongst my co-workers that "Fletching"
is really a typo and the Fletching kit contains nothing but a straw.
:)
Steven Le
>abu...@rcn.com (Desdinova) commits the venal sin of following up to
>his own post and sez:
>
>> 1) There are no explicitly heterosexual guilds. Thus, I'm not
>>certain I see a need or a place for an explicitly homosexual guild.
>>Sexuality seems so completely irrelevant to the in-game mechanics in
>>general, and to the guild mechanics in particular, that I just don't
>>see any reason to base a guild on any particular aspect of sexuality,
>>be it heterosexuality, homosexuality, BDSM, or what-have-you.
>
> Upon re-reading my post, I think the first two sentences in my
>paragraph above are extraneous to the point of the paragraph.
What's extraneous mean? Sorry i am dumb.
Steven Le
wrote:
>You know your character is a Redneck.....
>
>If you are too drunk to fish.
Ohh god, that has happen to me!
I was fishing and decied to drink 7 short beers in eq!
>If your Barbarian has cowboy boots.
>If you refer to your Fire bolt as cajun cookin
>If You have potted meat and crackers in your inventory.
>If the color of your banded armor is bondo.
>If you request your bard to play The Devil Went down to Texas.
>If you refer to your guildmaster as Bubba.
No Comment
j/k
>If you discuss the different lures for fishing while hunting bears.
>If you honestly think that women are turned on by animal noises and
>seductive tongue gestures.
Damn, i was wrong! :P
>If you have ever asked,"Are you a real female?"
Opps...
>
>
>
>
>Charles B. Naumann wrote in message ...
>>
>>Hmmm, a redneck guild. That has some possibilities too. We
>>need a name....
>>
>>Charles Naumann
>>
>>: Boy that's funny. Where did you find such interesting ideas? Redneck
>>: weekly?
>>
>>
>
Desdinova
>What's extraneous mean? Sorry i am dumb.
Unnecessary and/or irrelevant.
Des
Steven Le
>"Anubis" <dehinc...@easynet.co.uk> sez:
>
>>Nobody is ramming anything down anyone elses throats. Period.
>
> I, at least, didn't perceive it that way. From the posts I've
>read, there are a few others who likewise understood what you meant.
>
> However, there will always (FSVO "always") be those people who
>consider *any* public display of homosexuality (even just admitting
>it) to be "in your face."
What is a FSVO?
Steven Le
<"arnorama<SPAMTRAP>"@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Desdinova wrote:
>
>> I had an eViL SkEeM to get my Everquest fix, but alas I was
>> thwarted. I knew that my m0m's computer wouldn't play Everquest
>> because it had no 3D card, only 16 megs of RAM, and not nearly enough
>> disk space. So I didn't bother bringing Everquest with me. When my
>> girlfriend and I arrived, my m0m told me that she wanted me to upgrade
>> her computer.
>
>Yo,
>
>I live in the heart of Silicon Valley and I'd just like to confirm what you've
>implied.
>
>There are computers in Louisiana?
Ya and they have compters in Texas too, or at least Houston :P
>
Brian Cully
Steven Le <SPAMBLOC...@pdq.net> wrote:
>What is a FSVO?
For Some Value Of
e.g.:
I really needed you to re-post the whole article when asking a one line
question. FSVO `needed', mind you.
Tuttle
Monk at Large
Innoruuk
Desdinova
>What is a FSVO?
Two definitions, both meaning approximately the same thing:
1) For Some Value Of
2) For Suitable Values Of
Ex: "Accidentally wandering into the Spectre cave in the
Feerott while I was 5th level was lots of fun, FSVO 'fun.'"
Jim Williams
people who don't approve of any public display of homosexuality aren't real
fond of public displays of heterosexuality, either.
Desdinova wrote in message <377bb019...@news.rcn.com>...
>"Anubis" <dehinc...@easynet.co.uk> sez:
>
>>Nobody is ramming anything down anyone elses throats. Period.
>
> I, at least, didn't perceive it that way. From the posts I've
>read, there are a few others who likewise understood what you meant.
>
> However, there will always (FSVO "always") be those people who
>consider *any* public display of homosexuality (even just admitting
>it) to be "in your face."
>
>
Jim Williams
Independence with "Yankee Doodle". Blacks did it long ago with the infamous
"n-word".
Alasdair Allan wrote in message <01bec3db$2952d0e0$c70201c0@dell40>...
>Its quite common for gay communities to "take back" words that have been
>used to try and offend them and change the meaning to be a non-offensive
>one.
>
>How does the Homer Simpson quote go "You can't call yourself fags and
>queers. How am I going to insult you".
>
ka...@wwwaif.net
>On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:42:11 -0500, Vendril <vb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>bizbee wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I'd hang out with a fag before I hang out with a guy wearing
>>> a tongue stud
>>> and an orange spike hairdo, carrying a skateboard... as a matter of
>>> fact, sometimes I do.... but I digress...
>>
>>This is one of the least intelligent, hypocritical statements I have seen
>>in a while. What are you saying, exactly? You're not prejudiced against
>>upon appearance? You're no better than any of the homophobes reponding to
>>this post, perhaps worse, seeing as you THINK you are openminded...
>Appearance is the first way you judge people, because it the 1st thing
>you "see" know about a person. So this can be very impotant to have a
>good appearance, because your being judge for the 1st time. You don't
>want to be judge badly do you?
Permit me a tiny grin at reading such an impassioned defence of judging by
appearances - the pros and cons thereof - using a medium that renders those
characteristics utterly null. Face it, you have no way of knowing whether I'm
a demure, gloves-and-hat, Martha Stewart worshipping secretary or a
spike-haired, pierced, leather-clad dominatrix. (Unless of course you're
smart enough to find my website :) )
The wonder of USENET - and, indeed, of EQ - is that we can be judged purely on
how we present ourselves. At least, it's s'posed to be, but these damn webcams
are screwing that up.
And btw, I'm utterly miffed that this theoretical gay guild would be only for
those who are gay in real life. What if my human female magician decides to
give up on those arrogant bastard Erudites (always flaunting that superior
intellect) and decides to take up with a coy wood elf? Or what if she decides
to play on both teams? This kind of prejudice from one who purports to be
dedicated to spreading tolerance and diversity just makes me stomp my little
foot in despair.
K
Jim Williams
Alasdair Allan wrote in message <01bec3d7$828cc0c0$c70201c0@dell40>...
>Jim Williams <am...@ionet.net> wrote
>> I think those are all names of organizations that might take action
>against
>> spambots. At least in his opinion. All the FBI can do is shoot boys in
the
>> back and mothers with babes-in-arm, and burn up religious compounds.
>
>Wow, you really are one of those Militia wankers. I suspected it from a
few
>of your posts but I guess this confirms it.
I've never belonged to a militia (other than the unorganized militia all
U.S. males 14 to (I think) 60 belong to by default) and I don't know if any
or all of them masturbate. You don't know shit about the Militias, you don't
know shit about the FBI, but please, keep trying to sound superior. You're
quite amusing when you do it.
>
>> Oh, and
>> investigate alleged atrocities committed on foreign soil by (some)
>> foreigners against (some other) foreigners. But then I don't like the
FBI.
>
>No wonder, they probably protect the very few non-gun crazy Seppos from
>gattling wielding nutters like you.
"Seppos"? The FBI's job was never to protect, genius. They were formed as a
federal INVESTIGATORY agency, and at first were not allowed to carry
weapons. Now they have snipers, and use our tax dollars to investigate
things that don't even involve U.S. citizens. I don't own a gatling, I don't
know of anyone who owns a gatling, and guess what? It's not those "militia
wankers" who are going around shooting people. But why bother getting your
facts straight when you can pontificate and spew prejudicial nonsense?
Jim Williams
how one presents oneself, IRL.
ka...@wwwaif.net wrote in message <7lgdom$2s8...@enews.newsguy.com>...
>Permit me a tiny grin at reading such an impassioned defence of judging by
>appearances - the pros and cons thereof - using a medium that renders >The
Jim Williams
in its garish attire of pink and green satin, redecorating the inns and huts
it encounters, tsk-tsking at the warriors who have the gall to wear red
rubicite with bronze plate, of all things. Usually herds can be found in the
Karanas, nursing on bull mammoths, or in Innothule, playing an original form
of leapfrog with the froglocks, their pustule laden skin blending nicely
with the froglock's warts. On occassion they can also be found fondling
lowbie mobs that can no longer hurt them. You can recognize it by its
muttered cries of "I'm *normal*! I'm *normal*!" or, in more populous areas,
"Laying on of Hands, free!" Not being of any practical value, they are of
course placed in the endangered species list, and thoroughly protected by
the Society for the Prevention of Normalcy and the Antonica Perversion Fund
(whose motto is "a behind is a terrible thing to waste".)
Ain't insultin' whole groups of people a fun game? I hope I'll like it as
much as you seem to.
Alex Mars wrote in message <19990701135756...@ng-cb1.aol.com>...
Vendril
Lokari wrote:
> Vendril <vb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >If you actually read what I wrote, I only accused him of being a hypocrite, I
> >didn't mention the word homophobe once.
>
> You should read what you wrote as well:
>
> "You're no better than any of the homophobes reponding to this post,
> perhaps worse, seeing as you THINK you are openminded"
Argh. Credibility lost.
--
Vendril
reube...@my-deja.com
> Alex Mars wrote in message <19990701135756.12748.00008430@ng-
cb1.aol.com>...
> >There, in the distance, one can obseve the common homophobe as it
browses
> >through garbage. Usually brain damaged from birth by the behaviour
of its
> >parents, it shambles around covered in sores and filth and bellowing
loudly
> in
> >order to annoy its betters.
> >
> >>From: Millhouse <mill...@simpsons.com>
> >>Date: Thu, 01 July 1999 12:12 PM EDT
> >>Message-id: <377B935D...@simpsons.com>
> >>
> >>Queers are NOT welcome in Norrath
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >-Agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.
> >
>
>
reube...@my-deja.com
> HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHA
> EEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWW
> Laughed my tits off.
> V. funny
>
>
Jim Williams
If your magician's pet is a gerbil elemental...
if you keep dreaming about being "pounded" by a Hill Giant....
If your necro pet follows too close... and you like it...
If you randomly and involuntarily cast "disease cloud" on passersby...
If your character's name is a derivative of "Xena"...
If you don't put a robe or tunic on your dark elf, because you like the way
his chest looks....
If you're character's male, and the naked wood elf chicks don't give him a
woody...
If your barbarian prefers hanging out in Rivervale, Kaladim or Ak Anon
because the dwarves, gnomes and halflings are the perfect height...
If your character prefers being a barbarian because then he can wear a
skirt...
If your dwarf, gnome, or halfling prefers hanging out in Halas because the
barbarians are the *perfect* height...
If your character carries 2 or 3 robes with him in case he feels a change of
wardrobe coming on...
If your character spends more time redecorating the dungeons than killing
the mobs....
If your character is making plat hand over fist yet still complains about
being descriminated against...
If your character never makes any xp while "grouping"....
If your character uses his purse as a weapon....
If you can't see where your character wears his earring...
If your character prefers a two-handed staff, yet you never see him wield
it, either...
Steven Le wrote in message <378ab5a8...@news.pdq.net>...
Lokari
>Argh. Credibility lost.
Hehe. As if any of us posting to usenet have any credibility to begin
with.
Irrdani (Rodcet Nife)
Anubis wrote in message <7lg1rn$1jho$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>...
>Nobody is ramming anything down anyone elses throats. Period.
>I want to make a guild where gay players can roleplay together. They will
>undoubtedly roleplay gay characters. Whether this will actually be apparent
>to anyone who meets them doesn't matter to me. Why people are so bothered
>about a small group of people that they will probably never play on the
same
>server as let alone bump into on that server beats me. We will not be
>screaming around like crazy fags turning children into nellies at every
>turn.
>I just wanted to meet and group with other gay people/characters and have a
>laugh.
>My original post was misinterpreted by many people. I was joking about
>Freeport Pride etc etc. It was meant to be funny and lighthearted yet this
>thread is now heavy with bickering and predjudice.
>
>The e-mails I have had myself were from other gay players on EQ. They were
>all interested in grouping up and we will do whether it is under the banner
>of whatever guild we make or not.
>
>As for replies about not posting such mind bending ideals on
>newsgroups??????
>How the hell am I supposed to get a message to other gay players to tell
>them of this?? GAYDAR?????
>If you're not interested then don't read it.
>Certainly don't get out your wooden pyres like so many have. Chill out.
>
>Thanks for all the positive posts. This wasn't meant to cause such a stir.
>
>David.
>
>
Grumbler
Whatever
I'm new here and I missed the initial thread. I'm in Bristlebane and
the guilds there are horrible. I'ver tried for a week to join INT with
no luck at all.
I'll gladly join a gay guild. At least that way *somebody* will get my
jokes.
(What happens when you kill a faerie? ACT-UP picket's your house and
bitches about your window treatments)
only I'd rather not have to start up as a bard. I have a lowly lvl 9
magician at this point.
Ed
grum...@earthlinkpleasedontspamme.net
Ed Stevenson
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Why is it me??
Why is it always me??
-------------------------Captain Binghamton
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jeong Chang
Don't play on the PvP server...
Anubis wrote:
> Ok I've been thinking about this for a while now and I feel that Norrath
> can't all be totally heterosexual. The only time I've ever heard the word
> gay on everquest is when some bratty teen has been flaming the behaviour of
> some equally bratty teen in a, "God Kroax is just soooo gay!" shout across
> the greater Feydark.
>
> There are about 30,000 people playing EQ each night. There must be enough
> people willing to start up a gay guild on one of the servers. We can take
> the fight for our liberation to Norrath and bask in our pride under the moon
> on the Plains of Karana. We will stand for equality and have a good laugh
> to boot.
>
> Will we NOT be turning Misty Thicket into the next Hampstead Heath cruising
> grounds, nor transforming downtown Freeport into a Soho tall skinny
> mocchachino coffee village.(Actually I like the sound of that. I do like the
> blind fish in Neriak. It's kinda chintzy with its underwater windows and
> there is that three tiered nightclub place in the foreign quarter, we could
> try and get Madonna there one night to PA)
>
> We need a name. No cheesy ideas please and nothing with gay in the title.
> I'm thinking something about the Rainbow flag like Rainbow Warriors or
> Freedom Fighters or....(didn't I just say nothing cheesy!)
> Anyway we can debate on that.
>
> So if you want to burst out of your EQ closet and get involved all over
> again in those gay's in the Freeport militia and the clergy arguments,(We
> can have gay clerics and....oh my GOD!!!! Gay weddings!! Hey they have them
> in Amsterdam so why not Queynos!) then reply now or e-mail me directly.
>
> We will be marching through the streets on Freeport Pride day before you
> know it.
>
> For all those in the UK too, have a great time this Saturday at the Mardi
> Gras!!
>
> David.
> (Dazzle on Erollisi Marr. Give me a tell tonight if you're playing and
> interested in the guild. Remember we can make it on any server so just /tell
> me and I'll get a list of e-mail addresses of those who want to form the
> guild.)
>
> N.B. Please don't e-mail me with homophobic abuse. I've heard it all before
> trust me and will have no qualms about forwarding the mail to verant
> directly.
Cpl. Punishment
GOD!!!
Desdinova wrote:
> "Ewen" <bl...@Blank.net> sez:
>
> >Can't say I see the need for it, but I don't have
> >a problem with it. Mind you, I may have to rethink
> >taking up fletching as a trade. :o)
>
> There's a running joke amongst my co-workers that "Fletching"
> is really a typo and the Fletching kit contains nothing but a straw.
>
> :)
>
Cpl. Punishment
As I read through these recent posts I find that the divisions of RL have been
sewn into the game. Already I see opposition to the idea of an EQ guild based
on a Real Life trait (in this case sexual orientation) attacked as "bigoted" and
"fascist" (please people, before using the word fascist, look it up in it's
historical context). Any persons opposed to this idea are being described as
"obviously rednecks" and of "low intelligence". Already one poster has
proclaimed "Fags aren't welcome in Norrath". Others predict (or almost promise)
that such a guild would be harassed.
The labeling and name calling has begun. The true bigots and PC police are
ready to pounce on those that dare disagree. I hope this all comes to nothing
but human nature is a powerful force.
Let go of it and forget it, huh?
ARN
Tyram
19:51:17 -0700, "Cpl. Punishment" <"arnorama<SPAMTRAP>"@earthlink.net>
managed to mutter something about:
(SNIP)
Fact is, nothing of a sexual nature has any business in EQ. Romantic
encounters between player characters are fine, but considering the
constraints of the game, can never lead to sex, so why even bring it
in? There's much more to romance than sex.
I don't believe a gay guild should be allowed in the game. Not becuase
I'm against gays (I don't believe it's right, but that's my opinion
based on my moral upbringing, if yours differes, good for you), but
rather because the controllers (player) sexuality isn't the object of
a guild.
Just becuase the controller is gay doesn't mean the player character
is. Hell, I'm married, but my Paladin is sword to celibacy. He knows
nothing of me or my wife, and he never will. We aren't the same
person.
Tyram
Paladin of Mithaniel
Mith, Marr server
Tyram
03:52:11 GMT, spa...@die.com (Tyram) managed to mutter something
about:
>is. Hell, I'm married, but my Paladin is sword to celibacy.
Yeah, yeah, I can hear the comments flying now. It's SWORN, okay?
WarpFox
they wouldnt do it for the same reason they dont let you have names like
strokemycock. and if any gays are upsetted by them not getting to have a
guild for vaild reasons i will thwap you over the head, its NOT a big
deal.. i'm gay myself and i would not join such a guild, i'd rather join
a more RP one. i'm here to have fun, not to force people to accept my
lifestyle. if they say i'm going to hell, well, see you there.
Kegas Stormrunner
diana
Tyram wrote in message <377c3684...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
>While stumblin around in a drunken stupor on or about Thu, 01 Jul 1999
>19:51:17 -0700, "Cpl. Punishment" <"arnorama<SPAMTRAP>"@earthlink.net>
>managed to mutter something about:
>
>(SNIP)
>
>Fact is, nothing of a sexual nature has any business in EQ. Romantic
>encounters between player characters are fine, but considering the
>constraints of the game, can never lead to sex, so why even bring it
>in? There's much more to romance than sex.
>
>I don't believe a gay guild should be allowed in the game. Not becuase
>I'm against gays (I don't believe it's right, but that's my opinion
>based on my moral upbringing, if yours differes, good for you), but
>rather because the controllers (player) sexuality isn't the object of
>a guild.
>
>Just becuase the controller is gay doesn't mean the player character
>is. Hell, I'm married, but my Paladin is sword to celibacy. He knows
>nothing of me or my wife, and he never will. We aren't the same
>person.
>
>
facter
>
> care to know about people's sex lives on EQ, unless they ask. Lets
> keep the real world out of EQ and keep it fansty(yes i know vage).
>
aye - its a game - keep the real world out, I go to EQ to get away from the real
world for a while, not to have all its damn problems filtering through.
Ken Nicolson
wrote:
>Your character might be a queer ....
Your character's player might be a homophobe ...
If he posts tired stereotypes to newsgroups in an attempt at humour.
Ken
Alasdair Allan
> It doesn't get mentioned, but I'd be willing to bet that a *lot* of the
> people who don't approve of any public display of homosexuality aren't
real
> fond of public displays of heterosexuality, either.
Would these be the same people who will happilly allow their children to
watch a head explode in a movie, yet won't allow them to see a breast, let
alone pubic hair?
Eric Schnoor
to Caedmon McBuff. The best part is that the gm's had no trouble with my
petition to change my name from Morgenes Firechaser to Morgenes
FireChaser'McBuff. In fact he seemed to really enjoy the idea. Make of it
what you will but we had our whole guild there in the basement of unrest for
the big homo wedding extravaganza and everyone seemed to enjoy it.
Eric
WarpFox <war...@home.com> wrote in message
news:377BC364...@home.com...
Steven Le
wrote:
>In article <3784b249...@news.pdq.net>, SPAMBLOC...@pdq.net (Steven Le) wrote:
>>On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:42:11 -0500, Vendril <vb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>bizbee wrote:
>>>
>>>> Personally, I'd hang out with a fag before I hang out with a guy wearing
>>>> a tongue stud
>>>> and an orange spike hairdo, carrying a skateboard... as a matter of
>>>> fact, sometimes I do.... but I digress...
>>>
>>>This is one of the least intelligent, hypocritical statements I have seen
>>>in a while. What are you saying, exactly? You're not prejudiced against
>>>homosexuals (yet you call them fags), but you do discriminate based solely
>>>upon appearance? You're no better than any of the homophobes reponding to
>>>this post, perhaps worse, seeing as you THINK you are openminded...
>>Appearance is the first way you judge people, because it the 1st thing
>>you "see" know about a person. So this can be very impotant to have a
>>good appearance, because your being judge for the 1st time. You don't
>>want to be judge badly do you?
>
>
>Permit me a tiny grin at reading such an impassioned defence of judging by
>appearances - the pros and cons thereof - using a medium that renders those
>characteristics utterly null. Face it, you have no way of knowing whether I'm
>a demure, gloves-and-hat, Martha Stewart worshipping secretary or a
>spike-haired, pierced, leather-clad dominatrix. (Unless of course you're
>smart enough to find my website :) )
True!
Steven Le
On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:35:59 -0500, "Jim Williams" <am...@ionet.net>
wrote:
>Your character might be a queer ....
>
Steven Le
On Fri, 02 Jul 1999 18:29:08 +0800, facter <facter...@hotmail.com>
wrote: