Bows and damage
nos...@killspam.com
guys!) I have one comment. Wouldn't it be nice if bows or arrows could do
some real damage? Wouldn't it be nice if in EQ, bows could REALLY dole out
some damage other than a *Thwack* Hello. Think of the possiblities.
From playing another game, which shall remain nameless, but there was a
common nickname for a character that went with only a bow, "Bowazon". You
could have bows that could do frost damage or lightning damage or poison
damage. You could take this another step with arrows as well that had
serrated edges that would do a DoT type affect and slowly bleed the mob to
death.
I don't know if this kind of ability exists in EQ now and I just haven't
seen it, but most people I see with bows just use them for pulling instead
of really dishing out damage.
Think of it, a whole company of archers with nuke bows going into
Kithicor....
Rick Cortese
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> After playing with a bow for pulling (from advice from this group, thanks
> guys!) I have one comment. Wouldn't it be nice if bows or arrows could do
> some real damage? Wouldn't it be nice if in EQ, bows could REALLY dole out
> some damage other than a *Thwack* Hello. Think of the possiblities.
I have two archers. I wouldn't mind bows being better, but they are good
enough as is.
Snare and run backwards while shooting a mob is kind of a tried and true
technique. You seldom take any damage and the cost of summoned arrows is
insignificant to nothing.
The only thing that would change is the amount of time it takes to get a mob
dead or low enough on health to melee. It would be like a druid asking for
Stinging Swarm to do more damage faster. Not that it wouldn't benefit the
class, just that it would change the game balance.
Bradmeister
>>>SNIP<<<
My friend is a lvl 54 Ranger. Archery skill 215. Master Fletcher.
He often does crits with his bow. I saw him do a 294 crit bow shot. (non
trueshot discipline, whatever that means)
Sounds like real damage to me.
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heck, my 15th SK does 17 a hit with his oak bow and home-made arrows
BTW, store bought bows and arrows SUCK
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Jam
I like the damage on the bows. My level 23 troll warrior with a Darkwood Bow
(cannot remember the name, its the most damaging one), and homemade arrows
(hooked point, bone shaft, Parabolic fletch, small neck), can damage for 28
points, and crit at 56 points. I personally think a 56 dmg to the mob before
it even reach you is a ok damage, and the arrows i use are not even the most
damaging ones, its just the least expensive that have 150 range and some
descent dmg.
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Tim Fitzmaurice
> After playing with a bow for pulling (from advice from this group, thanks
> guys!) I have one comment. Wouldn't it be nice if bows or arrows could do
> some real damage? Wouldn't it be nice if in EQ, bows could REALLY dole out
Yes, it would be delightful says I speaking as a ranger. t one thing that
slightly iritates me that a ranger whose very symbol is a bow is you're
not really that much better than other classes until very high level.
I guess that's hybridland though....
However I'm using a very basic ashwood bow, and damage 1 arrows and I am
hitting for typically 15-17 points of damage with a delay somewhere round
about 42-45 IIRC....which isnt too shabby when you root and let rip. PLus
you can run backwards shooting, change direction and auto realign to
shoot. Now I fletch my arrows myself and range 150 dam 1 arrows cost me a
coupla gold a stack, and I can if I want use smithing to limit the cost
even further.....spare metal bits, 20 arrowheads thank you.
Oh and with a stength od 100 and dex of about 85 I critical for 37 points
at the moment....it'll go up with better bows.
Not only that fletching will alow me to make arrows that hit magic
critters.....and if I get good enough at smithing the cost of that drops
through the floor.
> common nickname for a character that went with only a bow, "Bowazon". You
> could have bows that could do frost damage or lightning damage or poison
Special arrows can be obtained of certain mobs...some like Whimsy
larktwitter can involve weeks of standing around and not seeing still
(bitter, me, no......), but some from the warrens I'm told are quite
common.
There's a wish list on eqrangers and gettng the skill to use poison on
arrows is cited there....(not make it...so as not to take a rogue skill
away, just use it)
> I don't know if this kind of ability exists in EQ now and I just haven't
> seen it, but most people I see with bows just use them for pulling instead
> of really dishing out damage.
In dungeons on a group raid if the warriors have really gone nuts up front
and block the corridor I will often root and shoot the caster behind them
or a big guy to help the warriors.....I can then do enough damage that the
right spell and taunt can rapidly pull the mob of the battered tank or the
nuker in double quick time....so its handy crowd control..altohugh as yet
I still tank better than arch myself....
Tim
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Tim Fitzmaurice
> He often does crits with his bow. I saw him do a 294 crit bow shot. (non
> trueshot discipline, whatever that means)
Post 50 ranger gets access to a number of special disciplines, the
trueshot one allows delay reduction and damage increase if you are
standing still I believe.
Dave Cheeseman
Fleeting Quiver which reduces attack delay on archery.
I am hunting Crazed Ghouls in Butcherblock which are blue to me at 35.
I pull one clear of the spawn points and root, then shoot it until root
breaks, then re-root. I throw in the occasional Stinging Swarm which is good
for my Conjuration.
It takes me about 40 arrows to get it to 20% health, and I get on average
1-2 skill increases in archery. Then I finish it off with dual-wielded
piercing weaps which also gets my piercing up. They hit quite hard so I
often lose 20% health at this stage.
Most times I do 12-22 damage with arrows, occasionally criticals 45-51, and
occasionally less than 12 damage or missing altogether. My Archery is now
165, out of a max for my level of 180. My downtime is just medding to get
back the mana for rooting & DD, plus healing the lost health from the final
Melee.
I can just keep up with the spawn rate with this tactic, so it is quite
efficient.
Des Herriott
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Bradmeister wrote:
>
> > He often does crits with his bow. I saw him do a 294 crit bow shot. (non
> > trueshot discipline, whatever that means)
>
> Post 50 ranger gets access to a number of special disciplines, the
> trueshot one allows delay reduction and damage increase if you are
> standing still I believe.
The other factor no-one's mentioned yet is quivers: which now reduce
the delay of your bow (by the weight reduction number on the quiver - a
20% WR quiver reduces your bow delay by 20%). The holy grail being the
66% player-made fleeting quiver, which I'm told is a bitch to make.
A high level ranger with a fleeting quiver, a good bow (e.g. Bow of the
Huntsman) and Trueshot can be pretty devastating.
--
Des Herriott
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Tim Fitzmaurice
> The other factor no-one's mentioned yet is quivers: which now reduce
> the delay of your bow (by the weight reduction number on the quiver - a
> 20% WR quiver reduces your bow delay by 20%). The holy grail being the
> 66% player-made fleeting quiver, which I'm told is a bitch to make.
Yeah, apparently it is a complete pain...eqtraders I think had a listing
of someone doing the first report there of making one.......
I really ought to get a quiver....
Dave Cheeseman
Firstly, HQ Lion Pelts are a rare drop off Highland Lions in NK. HQ Cat
Pelts will not do. I killed 90 Highlands for my first pelt, though I got my
second within 10 further kills.
Secondly, it is surprising how many 39+ Enchanters do not have the Distill
Mana spell! In fact, the last three Enchs I have asked have all been 50+,
and two of them didn't even know there was such a spell!
Thirdly, they trivial at (around) 225 so finding a high-level tailor is
essential. My quiver was made by a 180 tailor on the first try for me,
though he was in total around 6 out of 10 attempts for Quivers.
The combination of this means they fetch 5-6k when sold!
Component summary:
High Quality Lion [*not* Cat] Pelt (Highland Lions in NK only)
Griffon Feather (Off any Griffxxxs - get them in NK while you camp HLions!)
Aviak Oil (Foraged Aviak Egg from Butcherblock + water -> Brewing triv. 104)
Vial Distilled Mana (Poison Vial + 2 Sapphires -> Lvl 39 Ench spell)
Fleeting Quiver Pattern
And finally, does it make a difference? Boy yes! I grouped with a Ranger of
same level and using the same bow to bow-root some Ghouls, and I was clearly
shooting faster than he was. The Ranger sites have various technical trial
results, but I am more interested in what I see ;)
Dennis Francis Heffernan
wrote:
|The other factor no-one's mentioned yet is quivers: which now reduce
|the delay of your bow (by the weight reduction number on the quiver - a
|20% WR quiver reduces your bow delay by 20%). The holy grail being the
|66% player-made fleeting quiver, which I'm told is a bitch to make.
Um, no.
First off, the fleeting quiver has 60% WR, not 66%.
Second off, the WR is not the haste value. That would be insane. The
best figures we have so far suggest that the haste value is WR/3. This means
a Tailored Quiver (22% WR) is good for about 7% haste, the Thunderhoof Quiver
(33% WR, which I use) is 11% and the Fleeting Quiver is 20%.
The good news is that testing also shows that your quiver haste stacks
with your item and spell haste, and it can push you over the haste cap for
your level.
And yes, the Fleeting Quiver is a bitch to make; last I heard it is not
trivial at Tailoring skill of 207.
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Dennis Francis Heffernan
wrote:
|Post 50 ranger gets access to a number of special disciplines, the
|trueshot one allows delay reduction and damage increase if you are
|standing still I believe.
Trueshot increases damage with Archery whether or not the target is
stationary. It does not affect delay. The damage increase is not as great as
listed in the documentation (which claims you will hit for max to twice max).
In particular it doesn't do much for your minimum hits; I have still found
myself hitting for less damage than the arrow rating (and I fire some very
expensive 6/150 arross, so that really sucks). There was a period of about
two weeks in which the discipline performed more or less as advertised, and
actually made Rangers a sought-out class for raids against high-profile
targets like Venril Sathir and Kunark Dragons and such; since that status is
reserved for Warriors, Clerics and Enchanters the discipline was promptly
nerfed.
There is a theory that the damage for Trueshot is related to the delay of
the bow, but it's pretty thoroughly disconfirmed. Rangers have tried using
bows of identical delay and different damage rating and the higher-damage bows
perform better. If there's some kind of bonus for high-delay bows it's not
very large. Best results so far in terms of total damage have been obtained
by using bows with good ratios. I personally break out my Bow of the Huntsman
(20/30) for Trueshot work, over my usual Bow of the Underfoot (33/60).
High-damage bows can produce some very impressive critical hits under
Trueshot, with the current record being a shot in the high 900's from an
Efreeti War Bow (wielded by Celt of the Xeb server, IIRC). Statistically such
hits don't overcome the inferior ratios found on most such bows, making them
good for little more than impressing the "Rangers are useless" crowd.
At L51+, Rangers get double damage with bows against stationary targets
that are not under a Root spell. This does stack with Trueshot which helps
produce hits like that 900-pt monster just mentioned.
StanMann
Dave Cheeseman wrote:
>
> There are three difficult parts to this:
>
> Firstly, HQ Lion Pelts are a rare drop off Highland Lions in NK. HQ Cat
> Pelts will not do. I killed 90 Highlands for my first pelt, though I got my
> second within 10 further kills.
>
> Secondly, it is surprising how many 39+ Enchanters do not have the Distill
> Mana spell! In fact, the last three Enchs I have asked have all been 50+,
> and two of them didn't even know there was such a spell!
>
> Thirdly, they trivial at (around) 225 so finding a high-level tailor is
> essential. My quiver was made by a 180 tailor on the first try for me,
> though he was in total around 6 out of 10 attempts for Quivers.
>
> The combination of this means they fetch 5-6k when sold!
>
> Component summary:
>
> High Quality Lion [*not* Cat] Pelt (Highland Lions in NK only)
Notsew. Actually any lion can drop HQ lion pelt, however most commonly
drop off Highland in NK and patriarchs in EK.
StanMann
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Rick Cortese
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> On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Nos...@killspam.com wrote:
>
> > After playing with a bow for pulling (from advice from this group,
thanks
> > guys!) I have one comment. Wouldn't it be nice if bows or arrows could
do
> > some real damage? Wouldn't it be nice if in EQ, bows could REALLY dole
out
>
> Yes, it would be delightful says I speaking as a ranger. t one thing that
> slightly iritates me that a ranger whose very symbol is a bow is you're
> not really that much better than other classes until very high level.
> I guess that's hybridland though....
>
> However I'm using a very basic ashwood bow, and damage 1 arrows and I am
> hitting for typically 15-17 points of damage with a delay somewhere round
> about 42-45 IIRC....which isnt too shabby when you root and let rip. PLus
> you can run backwards shooting, change direction and auto realign to
> shoot. Now I fletch my arrows myself and range 150 dam 1 arrows cost me a
> coupla gold a stack, and I can if I want use smithing to limit the cost
> even further.....spare metal bits, 20 arrowheads thank you.
I don't want to harp on it too much, but people that can get away with the
shorter range<50> should really try out the magician summoned arrows, 3
damage, range 50, magic, and you get 20 per cast. I have a magician,
ranger/fletcher/archer, pali/archer. I will run the ranger across Norath to
the magician rather then fletch enough arrows for an evening.
Dan Day
wrote:
>
> The good news is that testing also shows that your quiver haste stacks
>with your item and spell haste, and it can push you over the haste cap for
>your level.
Wait a second, are you saying that normal item/spell haste for
weapons also affects bow delay?
And that quiver haste stacks on top of that? Now for the big
question -- does quiver haste likewise affect (non-bow) weapon
speed?
spam@theusualsuspects.net daFoo' Snafoo
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"Dan Day" <d...@firstnethou.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:55:56 GMT, Dennis Francis Heffernan
<dfra...@email.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > The good news is that testing also shows that your quiver haste stacks
> >with your item and spell haste, and it can push you over the haste cap
for
> >your level.
>
> Wait a second, are you saying that normal item/spell haste for
> weapons also affects bow delay?
>
yes
> And that quiver haste stacks on top of that? Now for the big
> question -- does quiver haste likewise affect (non-bow) weapon
> speed?
>
no
>
Dennis Francis Heffernan
wrote:
|Notsew. Actually any lion can drop HQ lion pelt, however most commonly
|drop off Highland in NK and patriarchs in EK.
The actual item is the High Quality Lion SKIN, and it is only dropped by
the Highland Lions in NK.
They were added expressly to drop that item about a year ago, to fix a
broken quest that requiers them.
Dennis Francis Heffernan
|Wait a second, are you saying that normal item/spell haste for
|weapons also affects bow delay?
It does.
|And that quiver haste stacks on top of that? Now for the big
|question -- does quiver haste likewise affect (non-bow) weapon
|speed?
No.
Annie M. Benson-Lennaman
Speaking of fletching (someone was, right?) I have
a question that I asked not too long ago another thread,
but got no answer. Is it cheaper to smith silver-tipped
arrowheads (given the appropiate smithing level to minimize
poofs) than it is to buy them from a merchant? I already
know that fletching is going to be my main skill, but I
would get there quicker if I could get the silver-tips
cheaper.
Also curious about smithed steel arrow arrow shafts.
Annie <---- Really wants a fleeting quiver, too. Please.
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>On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:55:56 GMT, Dennis Francis Heffernan <dfra...@email.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> The good news is that testing also shows that your quiver haste stacks
>>with your item and spell haste, and it can push you over the haste cap for
>>your level.
>
>Wait a second, are you saying that normal item/spell haste for
>weapons also affects bow delay?
Correct.
A level 60 ranger at haste cap (roughly around 100%) with a fleeting
quiver will have an effective haste of 120% (or there abouts).
Combined with a primal bow + trueshot (get the shaman to cast primal
avatar on you first so you'll chain proc avatar from the bow), the
amount of damage a ranger can generate during the 2 minutes is pretty
sick.
I should get one of our rangers to log his damage against Yelinak next
time...then again, maybe not, it might piss off the dragon baned
wizards.
>And that quiver haste stacks on top of that? Now for the big
>question -- does quiver haste likewise affect (non-bow) weapon
>speed?
Nope, only bow delay.
-- Sang.
Dennis Francis Heffernan
<annie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Speaking of fletching (someone was, right?) I have
|a question that I asked not too long ago another thread,
|but got no answer. Is it cheaper to smith silver-tipped
|arrowheads (given the appropiate smithing level to minimize
|poofs) than it is to buy them from a merchant? I already
|know that fletching is going to be my main skill, but I
|would get there quicker if I could get the silver-tips
|cheaper.
| Also curious about smithed steel arrow arrow shafts.
No, it's more expensive to smith them from components than it is to buy
them from vendors.
It seems that no one at Verant can do simple math.
Dave Cheeseman
"StanMann" <stan...@not.there.anymore.com> wrote in message
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> Notsew. Actually any lion can drop HQ lion pelt, however most commonly
> drop off Highland in NK and patriarchs in EK.
This is often stated, but if you visit the various tailoring web sites there
is no evidence that the HQ Lion Pelt has dropped off anything except
Highland Lions, at least in the last 3 months or so that the Fleeting Quiver
has been in the game. And believe me, with them fetching 5-6k there have
been one heck of a lot of Lions killed in the search!
Dave Cheeseman
off Patriarchs either. Again, based on the last 3 months slaughter of Lions
by most of Norrath's Tailors and Rangers ;)
Richard
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I believe that is the case for all smithed items that are also available for
purchase from vendors. This is to encourage you budding smiths to um, well,
not take up smithing I guess.
--
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Tainneal, Halfling Warrior of 22 seasons, Erollisi Marr
StanMann
Dennis Francis Heffernan wrote:
>
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:52:54 GMT, StanMann <stan...@not.there.anymore.com>
> wrote:
>
> |Notsew. Actually any lion can drop HQ lion pelt, however most commonly
> |drop off Highland in NK and patriarchs in EK.
>
> The actual item is the High Quality Lion SKIN, and it is only dropped by
> the Highland Lions in NK.
>
> They were added expressly to drop that item about a year ago, to fix a
> broken quest that requiers them.
>
They have been dropping for more than a year, and the first one I got
was actually in West karana off a Lioness, I've gotten them MORE
frequently from Patriarchs in EK, and I don't often hunt Highlands in
NK.
Dave Cheeseman
Lionesses, and many other things all over the place, EC for instance? HQ Cat
Pelts and HQ Lion Pelts are different items ...
StanMann
HQ cat pelts are red-brown
HQ Lion pelts are Yellow.
Annie M. Benson-Lennaman
Dennis Francis Heffernan wrote:
> No, it's more expensive to smith them from components than it is to buy
> them from vendors.
/massive sigh Ok. Thanks for the info. I had been working on
getting my smithing skill up, but I guess I will give that up, and
save my money for the fletching. Oh, wait, I'm also doing a bit of
tailoring on the side, and will need to eventually make studs and
bonings. There...there is no escape for the tradeskill hobbiest,
is there?
Annie <--- Wonders if she can enroll in Trade Skills Anonymous
or something.
Dennis Francis Heffernan
wrote:
|They have been dropping for more than a year, and the first one I got
|was actually in West karana off a Lioness, I've gotten them MORE
|frequently from Patriarchs in EK, and I don't often hunt Highlands in
|NK.
You are thinking of High Quality Cat Pelts. Those drop off of just about
any cat in the old world.
HQ Lion Skins are a completely different item and they are ONLY dropped by
the Highland Lions in NK.
Dennis Francis Heffernan
<annie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| /massive sigh Ok. Thanks for the info. I had been working on
|getting my smithing skill up, but I guess I will give that up, and
|save my money for the fletching. Oh, wait, I'm also doing a bit of
|tailoring on the side, and will need to eventually make studs and
|bonings. There...there is no escape for the tradeskill hobbiest,
|is there?
Skip the studs and bonings for now. Skill up on silk products.
You won't need studs and bonings until you start working with Velious
leathers, if ever. Those items don't become viable until after skill 200.
StanMann
Dennis Francis Heffernan wrote:
>
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 15:19:31 GMT, StanMann <stan...@not.there.anymore.com>
> wrote:
>
> |They have been dropping for more than a year, and the first one I got
> |was actually in West karana off a Lioness, I've gotten them MORE
> |frequently from Patriarchs in EK, and I don't often hunt Highlands in
> |NK.
>
> You are thinking of High Quality Cat Pelts. Those drop off of just about
> any cat in the old world.
>
> HQ Lion Skins are a completely different item and they are ONLY dropped by
> the Highland Lions in NK.
>
Oddly enough, just like you were on the Kith Spawn times, you are wrong
AGAIN.
Rick Cortese
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<snip>
> bonings. There...there is no escape for the tradeskill hobbiest,
> is there?
>
> Annie <--- Wonders if she can enroll in Trade Skills Anonymous
> or something.
Which character do you have your trade skills on? Reason I ask is because
the other night I did some skill advancement checks vs wis vs pp in
fletching. Very preliminary, but it looks like at least 2,000 pp to get to
200 fletching with 80 wisdom. If I had it all to do over, would have made an
enchanter mule with int and charisma up the kazoo for everything vs
character appropriate skills.
Personally I regard something like an Gnome Enchanter being a better for
fletching then *any* ranger as kind of a retarded design. Just happens to be
the system we work under. An Erudin enc would be slightly better since the
bow wouldn't be taller then they are if they could equip it.
Jam
> > |a question that I asked not too long ago another thread,
> > |but got no answer. Is it cheaper to smith silver-tipped
> > |arrowheads (given the appropiate smithing level to minimize
> > |poofs) than it is to buy them from a merchant? I already
> > |know that fletching is going to be my main skill, but I
> > |would get there quicker if I could get the silver-tips
> > |cheaper.
> > | Also curious about smithed steel arrow arrow shafts.
> >
> > No, it's more expensive to smith them from components than it is to buy
> > them from vendors.
> >
> > It seems that no one at Verant can do simple math.
>
>
> I believe that is the case for all smithed items that are also available for
> purchase from vendors. This is to encourage you budding smiths to um, well,
> not take up smithing I guess.
Hehe, got smithing at 176, lost around 1500pp to get to 175 skill (powersmithed
instead of orders, wanted to get to FP armor, didnt feel like selling +200
cloaks), and the spend 2000pp to get from 175 to 176 skill, made a full set to
my newbie troll. Got most of the money back when selling, but guess i lost
around 2K on smithing so far, dont feel like spending more money on it.
Especially when the prices on my server are almost the same on crafted. Take WAY
too long to sell FP armor at material cost, its damn near impossible to sell it
with a profit.
--
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Level 34 druid
Officer of Da Troll Patrol
Veeshan server
Joe D
> This is often stated, but if you visit the various tailoring web sites there
> is no evidence that the HQ Lion Pelt has dropped off anything except
> Highland Lions, at least in the last 3 months or so that the Fleeting Quiver
> has been in the game. And believe me, with them fetching 5-6k there have
> been one heck of a lot of Lions killed in the search!
I was all ready to jump in and say that they drop in East Karana, since I
just finished a massive genocide campaign against the lions there, getting
my tailoring from 82 to 115.
But then I decided to check the loot by zone report from my logs.
Ruined lion skins only. Although I could have sworn I saw a MQ skin, but
may have left it to rot on the corpse. I let a lot of stuff rot.
Joe D
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Dennis Francis Heffernan
wrote:
|Oddly enough, just like you were on the Kith Spawn times, you are wrong
|AGAIN.
Riiiiight. I'm wrong, and everyone at (say) EQTraders and the Ranger's
Glade is wrong, too.
StanMann
Dennis Francis Heffernan wrote:
>
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 18:33:24 GMT, StanMann <stan...@not.there.anymore.com>
> wrote:
>
> |Oddly enough, just like you were on the Kith Spawn times, you are wrong
> |AGAIN.
>
> Riiiiight. I'm wrong, and everyone at (say) EQTraders and the Ranger's
> Glade is wrong, too.
>
Sometimes you gotta do your own research. Oddly enough, I don't see
them stamping their feet and screaming NO IT DOESN'T NO IT DOESN'T
StanMann
Dennis Francis Heffernan wrote:
>
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 18:33:24 GMT, StanMann <stan...@not.there.anymore.com>
> wrote:
>
> |Oddly enough, just like you were on the Kith Spawn times, you are wrong
> |AGAIN.
>
> Riiiiight. I'm wrong, and everyone at (say) EQTraders and the Ranger's
> Glade is wrong, too.
>
http://pub13.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornertailoring.showMessage?topicID=2457.topic
NOW STFU, and back in your box
Richard
news:3B718F12...@jamspage.com...
Yeah, I only got up to banded range, 145ish. I've gotten a few skill
increases on the very few sets of banded I have made to order. I have made
some for guildmates for some quests as well, but I haven't played with it
much for a while. Given that I can now make SoW potions at a profit, I just
haven't seen much reason to play with smithing.
James
Sang K. Choe wrote in message <3b70a188...@news.isomedia.com>...
>On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 21:03:28 GMT, d...@firstnethou.com (Dan Day) wrote:
>
>>Wait a second, are you saying that normal item/spell haste for
>>weapons also affects bow delay?
>
>Correct.
>A level 60 ranger at haste cap (roughly around 100%) with a fleeting
>quiver will have an effective haste of 120% (or there abouts).
>Combined with a primal bow + trueshot (get the shaman to cast primal
>avatar on you first so you'll chain proc avatar from the bow), the
>amount of damage a ranger can generate during the 2 minutes is pretty
>sick.
>
>I should get one of our rangers to log his damage against Yelinak next
>time...then again, maybe not, it might piss off the dragon baned
>wizards.
The log I saw from Sean the Scaled Claw had him putting out a little
over 9000 damage over the two minutes Trueshot was up against Yelinak. What
was really funny was when he moved into melee range afterwards and was
pulped ranger-style. ;-)
James
Sang K. Choe
wrote:
> The log I saw from Sean the Scaled Claw had him putting out a little
>over 9000 damage over the two minutes Trueshot was up against Yelinak.
Hmmm, I thought the Scaled Claw title was only granted to bards....
-- Sang.
Dennis Francis Heffernan
wrote:
|Sometimes you gotta do your own research.
I've killed more than enough lions in other parts of the world to know
you're full of it.
|Oddly enough, I don't see
|them stamping their feet and screaming NO IT DOESN'T NO IT DOESN'T
That's because they're ignoring you.
Dennis Francis Heffernan
wrote:
|NOW STFU, and back in your box
Because *a* person said they got one?
Dave Cheeseman
http://pub13.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornertailoring.showMessage?topicID=2457.
topic
Of course it depends on which thread you read:
http://pub13.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornertailoring.showMessage?topicID=2544.
topic
[Note this thread was only started this week]
Don't get me wrong, I would love it to be true because I need HQ Lion Pelts
....
Dave Cheeseman
http://pub13.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornertailoring.showMessage?topicID=2119.
topic
Relevant post near the end:
"they _DO_ exsist in EK
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
I, ME, not a friend of a friend that talked to someone, got a HQ Lion Skin
in East Karana. I make a practice of holding down ALT when I loot and thats
how I noticed not to destroy the pelt. Now it maybe rare but I did get one.
And unless a HL Lion crossed the wooden Bridge and got to the middle village
it was a Lion Patriach that I got it off of.
Reztarn Solarflare 52st Channeler Terris-Thule (Erudite)"
But they do seem to be a rarer drop off Patriarchs, and given that 1 in 100
seems to be a consensus for the drop rate off Highlands ...
Jeremiah Kristal
Nah, it was a title given out in an GM event probably 18 months ago at
least. As far as I know, there is only one per server. One of my
guild's paladins is Agate the Scaled Claw. He doesn't actually use
the weapon that came with the title anymore, since pre-Kunark weapons
just aren't that impressive anymore. It's almost too bad he's in our
guild, since he spent most of his career in a RP oriented guild that
actually had structure and titles and organization. Well, that and he
was my first EQ hero.
Arolpin Lorespinner
StanMann
Dennis Francis Heffernan wrote:
>
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 21:27:50 GMT, StanMann <stan...@not.there.anymore.com>
> wrote:
>
> |Sometimes you gotta do your own research.
>
> I've killed more than enough lions in other parts of the world to know
> you're full of it.
>
OK, I'm finished, but before I go, a list of where and what I've gotten
HQ LION skins from
West Karana
1 A lioness
1 a young lion
East karana
2 Lion Patriarch
StanMann
Dennis Francis Heffernan wrote:
>
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 21:35:40 GMT, StanMann <stan...@not.there.anymore.com>
> wrote:
>
> |NOW STFU, and back in your box
>
> Because *a* person said they got one?
>
Because *I* HAVE gotten one, and another person has gotten one, just
because *YOU* Haven't gotten one....
I've never gotten one from Highland lions in NK, therefore, IF I was
you. I would say "Highland lions in NK don't drop them" I'm not that
ignorant or arrogant.
Dennis Francis Heffernan
wrote:
|Because *I* HAVE gotten one, and another person has gotten one, just
|because *YOU* Haven't gotten one....
No, because we KNOW that they didn't drop off those mobs in the past. Geb
Twigborn's quest was well-known to be among the broken quests in the game from
day one. It wasn't until about a year later that the Highland Lions were
added, from which the HQ Lion Skins did drop. (And we found that, as usual,
the reward wasn't worth the trip.)
I must have killed thousands of lions, personally, in all that time in
various parts of the world without getting HQ Lion Skins off anything but
Highland Lions. There are thousands of tailors in the game with similar
experience, and then there's these two crackpots who say they got them
someplace else (assuming you and the guy on the website are two different
people). If they DO drop elsewhere the probability must be so low as to be
negligible, but the vast likelyhood is that the people who say they got them
elsewhere are mistaken.
|I've never gotten one from Highland lions in NK, therefore, IF I was
|you. I would say "Highland lions in NK don't drop them" I'm not that
|ignorant or arrogant.
But *lots* of people have gotten them from Highland Lions, so you'd have
to be a true loony toon to hold that position. I only have to ignore you.
James
Sang K. Choe wrote in message <3b741f20....@news.isomedia.com>...
http://www.noows.com/showthread.php?s=875de6ead0d15680bb062005e2120bc0&threa
did=1077
Very much a ranger. I can't find that log to post it, though - I THINK
he put it on the Ranger's Glade. Dennis would know about it more than I
would.
James
StanMann
Dennis Francis Heffernan wrote:
>
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2001 14:19:58 GMT, StanMann <stan...@not.there.anymore.com>
> wrote:
>
> |Because *I* HAVE gotten one, and another person has gotten one, just
> |because *YOU* Haven't gotten one....
>
> No, because we KNOW that they didn't drop off those mobs in the past. Geb
> Twigborn's quest was well-known to be among the broken quests in the game from
> day one. It wasn't until about a year later that the Highland Lions were
> added, from which the HQ Lion Skins did drop. (And we found that, as usual,
> the reward wasn't worth the trip.)
>
ODD, we don't KNOW any such thing, the first of my skins was nearly 2
years ago.
> I must have killed thousands of lions, personally, in all that time in
> various parts of the world without getting HQ Lion Skins off anything but
> Highland Lions. There are thousands of tailors in the game with similar
> experience, and then there's these two crackpots who say they got them
> someplace else (assuming you and the guy on the website are two different
> people). If they DO drop elsewhere the probability must be so low as to be
> negligible, but the vast likelyhood is that the people who say they got them
> elsewhere are mistaken.
>
Well, considering it is less than a 1 in 100 chance for them to drop off
highlands, its no surprise. So, am I a crackpot, a liar, or mistaken.
How bout right. I'll take that.
> |I've never gotten one from Highland lions in NK, therefore, IF I was
> |you. I would say "Highland lions in NK don't drop them" I'm not that
> |ignorant or arrogant.
>
> But *lots* of people have gotten them from Highland Lions, so you'd have
> to be a true loony toon to hold that position. I only have to ignore you.
>
And *lots* of people have gotten them elsewhere. Note Dave Cheeseman
elsethread.
Grimbold
Really, REALLY need to have their niche empowered. Their niche? Their bow
IMO. They are supposed to be the best at it by design. In practice, it
needs to be better. (Again, IMO).
Give Rangers the ability to hit a mob from across the entire zone, with 50%
chance of instant death I say. Make 'em be able to do it once per
30mins/halfday/day/whatever but let them be A SNIPER!
Ok flame.
-Grim
"Nos...@killspam.com" <nos...@killspam.com> wrote in message
news:ahEb7.730$IS6.1...@news.uswest.net...
> After playing with a bow for pulling (from advice from this group, thanks
> guys!) I have one comment. Wouldn't it be nice if bows or arrows could do
> some real damage? Wouldn't it be nice if in EQ, bows could REALLY dole out
> some damage other than a *Thwack* Hello. Think of the possiblities.
> From playing another game, which shall remain nameless, but there was a
> common nickname for a character that went with only a bow, "Bowazon". You
> could have bows that could do frost damage or lightning damage or poison
> damage. You could take this another step with arrows as well that had
> serrated edges that would do a DoT type affect and slowly bleed the mob to
> death.
> I don't know if this kind of ability exists in EQ now and I just haven't
> seen it, but most people I see with bows just use them for pulling instead
> of really dishing out damage.
>
> Think of it, a whole company of archers with nuke bows going into
> Kithicor....
Rick Cortese
news:fql5nt0tuqo6lb1tg...@4ax.com...
<snip>
> I must have killed thousands of lions, personally, in all that time in
> various parts of the world without getting HQ Lion Skins off anything but
> Highland Lions. There are thousands of tailors in the game with similar
> experience, and then there's these two crackpots who say they got them
> someplace else (assuming you and the guy on the website are two different
> people). If they DO drop elsewhere the probability must be so low as to
be
> negligible, but the vast likelyhood is that the people who say they got
them
> elsewhere are mistaken.
Long story.
I've been killing Tovax and his pet on an off for over 2 years now. The pet
started dropping that 240 silver<every time in 4-5 kills last month> and no
longer drops 240 silver.
I think you are giving more significance to the fact VI planned on HQ Lion
Skins dropping only from Highland Lions then I am.
I just tried killing Tovax again today when I saw him wandering around at 8
am game time. Bing! At 9 AM exactly game time Tovax disappears and a
skeleton seemed to take his place, joining his pet beating on the back of my
head.
Neither the skeleton that replaced Tovax or Tovax's Pet dropped a HQLS, but
if they had I wouldn't have been surprised.
Sang K. Choe
<jere...@bbi.com> wrote:
>>Hmmm, I thought the Scaled Claw title was only granted to bards....
>
>Nah, it was a title given out in an GM event probably 18 months ago at
>least.
I know.
I was there for the GM event.
Our bard has the title. One of our warrior has the opposing title:
Eternity's Knight.
-- Sang.
Sang K. Choe
<stan...@not.there.anymore.com> wrote:
>OK, I'm finished, but before I go, a list of where and what I've gotten
>HQ LION skins from
>
>West Karana
>1 A lioness
>1 a young lion
>
>East karana
>2 Lion Patriarch
You know, I could probably post a screenshot of an Icewell Sentry
dropping a HQ lion skins if you two continue with this....
-- Sang.
Sang K. Choe
<grim...@notreal.address.com> wrote:
>I had an idea for like an "assassin bow hit". See, to me, Rangers really,
>Really, REALLY need to have their niche empowered. Their niche? Their bow
>IMO. They are supposed to be the best at it by design. In practice, it
>needs to be better. (Again, IMO).
You're really mistaken if you think a ranger with a decent bow can't
generate HUGE damage using just a bow.
Remember, this is damage from outside melee range meaning the relative
aggro you generate is significantly lower than the warrior standing
toe to toe smacking away.
Primal bow + Avatar + haste cap + Trueshot == Sick damage.
There's a damn good reason why when our ranger get within melee range
of Yelinak after triggering this combo, they stand a very good chance
of turning into ranger paste...Yelinak HATES people generating that
much damage.
-- Sang.
David Navarro
>
> There's a damn good reason why when our ranger get within melee range
> of Yelinak after triggering this combo, they stand a very good chance
> of turning into ranger paste...Yelinak HATES people generating that
> much damage.
Do that kind of encounters last long enough to make it worthwhile to
just camp and log back in before getting into melee range?
--
Hanrahan Thornhide, Druid |
Rhialto, Enchanter | Living and Dying in Fennin Ro
Parsifal, Bard |
Sang K. Choe
wrote:
>Do that kind of encounters last long enough to make it worthwhile to
>just camp and log back in before getting into melee range?
It takes you anywhere between 1 to 3 mins to camp and log back in.
That's an awful lot of damage you're missing out on. If you're
willing to pay that kind of price (loss in melee damage), you can just
wait outside the lair for the same duration.
After a couple of minutes, the tanks had better be able to generate
enough aggro that when you get into melee range Yelinak doesn't
immediately turn on you.
BTW, a level 60 ranger with primal 1H + swiftwind at haste cap will
generate something on the order of 40 to 50dps. That's about 6000hps
of damage you're giving up if you sit out for 2 mins. Or the
equivalent of 3 dragon's bane.
-- Sang.
Richard
news:3B729B5D...@not.there.anymore.com...
Alright, both of you, to your rooms, no supper for you tonight.
Sean Kennedy
Sang K. Choe <sa...@choenet.com.remove.this.com> wrote in message
news:3b766893...@news.isomedia.com...
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2001 22:28:18 GMT, "Grimbold"
> <grim...@notreal.address.com> wrote:
>
> >I had an idea for like an "assassin bow hit". See, to me, Rangers
really,
> >Really, REALLY need to have their niche empowered. Their niche? Their
bow
> >IMO. They are supposed to be the best at it by design. In practice, it
> >needs to be better. (Again, IMO).
>
> You're really mistaken if you think a ranger with a decent bow can't
> generate HUGE damage using just a bow.
>
> Remember, this is damage from outside melee range meaning the relative
> aggro you generate is significantly lower than the warrior standing
> toe to toe smacking away.
>
> Primal bow + Avatar + haste cap + Trueshot == Sick damage.
>
Now I'm really curious, just how much damage are we talking
about?
Dennis Francis Heffernan
|Now I'm really curious, just how much damage are we talking
|about?
Celt just set a new record -- a single hit of 1025, against Yelinak.
David Navarro
>
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:55:13 -0700, "Sean Kennedy" <kse...@qwest.net> wrote:
>
> |Now I'm really curious, just how much damage are we talking
> |about?
>
> Celt just set a new record -- a single hit of 1025, against Yelinak.
Wizards throughout the land curl in a fetal position and die.
Dennis Francis Heffernan
|Dennis Francis Heffernan wrote:
|>
|> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:55:13 -0700, "Sean Kennedy" <kse...@qwest.net> wrote:
|>
|> |Now I'm really curious, just how much damage are we talking
|> |about?
|>
|> Celt just set a new record -- a single hit of 1025, against Yelinak.
|
|Wizards throughout the land curl in a fetal position and die.
Heh.
Keep in mind that Rangers can only do this about once an hour. You also
need a stationary target or your damage is cut in half.
Unknown at this time what bow Celt was using but it was probably Primal or
better.
Sang K. Choe
wrote:
>Now I'm really curious, just how much damage are we talking
>about?
Oh anywhere between 100 to 120dps.
Probably on the conservative side...
-- Sang.
Sang K. Choe
<dfra...@email.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:55:13 -0700, "Sean Kennedy" <kse...@qwest.net> wrote:
>
>|Now I'm really curious, just how much damage are we talking
>|about?
>
> Celt just set a new record -- a single hit of 1025, against Yelinak.
Single hits don't mean much.
It's the sustained damage.
A primal bow may not give you the huge hits, but you'll get a SHITLOAD
of midsized hits that over a 2 min period will add up to a LOT of
damage.
-- Sang.