LDON merchants...
Jennaii
merchant gear. I got my points back by giving it to Dible Hedledrap in South
Ro. Does that work with the actual *gear* you buy from LDON merchants?
Any clerics find anything really *great* at any of these merchants? I have
over 1000 points to use and am not impressed with anything I've seen. I did
buy the *group temperance* spell but so far haven't needed it.
It would be really nice if they would make the solvent return the augment too
when taking an aug off an item.
And last but not least: LDON gear shouldn't be level restricted in my opinion.
If I've earned enough points to buy something I should be able to use it...
"This time: gonna do it RIGHT!" -- Bob Seger
Jennaii
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> I accidentally bought a type 3 aug only to realize it will only work with LDON
> merchant gear. I got my points back by giving it to Dible Hedledrap in South
> Ro. Does that work with the actual *gear* you buy from LDON merchants?
I don't know that's a mistake I haven't made yet. :)
> Any clerics find anything really *great* at any of these merchants? I have
> over 1000 points to use and am not impressed with anything I've seen. I did
> buy the *group temperance* spell but so far haven't needed it.
> It would be really nice if they would make the solvent return the augment too
> when taking an aug off an item.
It would be nice... but its not a big deal. And the lore has the solvent
dissolving the augment...
> And last but not least: LDON gear shouldn't be level restricted in my opinion.
> If I've earned enough points to buy something I should be able to use it...
On some level you should have to overcome the challenge that guards the
treasure to get the treasure... beating a far lessor challenge (even if
you do it 10x) doesn't merit it (this is why so much high end gear is no
drop after all, to prevent the 5th level spiderling farmers from being
equipped as well as the time raiders)... there should be a reward for
actually playing the game ;)
LDoN has adventure points as currency that allow you to get the item you
want with a predictable amount of effort; the level limits ensure that
level 20s and 40s don't get benefit from gear that is the LDoN
equivalent of god-raid-gear.
True, you *could* do 1000s of level 20 adventures buy the big dealie,
and then level up, and use it... it bypasses the 'concept' but its
hardly an abuse due to its extreme inefficiency.
JK
then level up, and use it... it bypasses the 'concept' but its hardly an
Do a thousand adventures and you won't be level 20 for long. By the time
you earn the points, you'll be the required level anyway.
John M Clancy
too
> when taking an aug off an item.
> And last but not least: LDON gear shouldn't be level restricted in my
opinion.
> If I've earned enough points to buy something I should be able to use
it...
I agree on both those points.
The destroying augment thing really pisses me off. With most other
gear if I upgrade I can sell or pass on my old gear to someone else.
Jennaii
Do you do a lot of LDoN's? I bet I have destroyed *five* augments as I've
upgraded gear. Now for my lower level characters I don't even USE the
augments, I put them in the bank because my low level gear is crap and I don't
want to *waste* good augments at level 25 or 30.
>LDoN has adventure points as currency that allow you to get the item you
>want with a predictable amount of effort; the level limits ensure that
>level 20s and 40s don't get benefit from gear that is the LDoN
>equivalent of god-raid-gear.
>
>True, you *could* do 1000s of level 20 adventures buy the big dealie,
>and then level up, and use it... it bypasses the 'concept' but its
>hardly an abuse due to its extreme inefficiency.
You can't do 1000s of level 20 adventures because you would then be level 56.
So lets say I've done a hundred, I've earned enough for Uber Earring but it
says "recommended 65". Not Fair.
Theoretically you *could* park your level 5 at the uber spawn site and then
bring him on and get Uber Gear from non-LDON places. *That* would be wrong,
the level 5 didn't earn the gear, but he could certainly get it.
I've *earned* the points to buy Uber Earring MYSELF. It's all no drop and
there's no way to *cheat* the system.
Remington Stone
}Jennaii wrote:
}> And last but not least: LDON gear shouldn't be level restricted in my opinion.
}> If I've earned enough points to buy something I should be able to use it...
}and then level up, and use it... it bypasses the 'concept' but its
}hardly an abuse due to its extreme inefficiency.
But that's just the thing: You -can't- do thousands of level 20
adventures. Doing the adventure gets you enough experience to go up 1/4
to 1/2 a level generally. So you can do 4. And they get you about 4
points total, if you do all 4. So by level 30 if you did nothing but
LDoN, you might have as much as 40-50 points! And that's if you're really
good and never fail. as you go up, exp slows down a bit and number of
points awarded increases, so you might bave a couple hundred points by
level 40. You probably wouldn't get anywhere near 1450 points without
hitting level 50. So if you worked at it carefully, and there weren't
level limits, you could potentially earn -one- piece of semi-uber gear a
bit too early. Which hardly strikes me as unbalancing.
It also hardly strikes me as worthwhile doing LDoN at levels under 50 or
so, but that's the only place you can reliably get groups anymore. sigh.
[37 Ranger] Ryck Dangyr <Prism> (Wood Elf) Ayonae Ro
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>>It would be nice... but its not a big deal.
>>From: 42 us...@example.net
>
>
> Do you do a lot of LDoN's? I bet I have destroyed *five* augments as I've
> upgraded gear. Now for my lower level characters I don't even USE the
> augments, I put them in the bank because my low level gear is crap and I don't
> want to *waste* good augments at level 25 or 30.
I just use them as I get them. I don't stress over much about having to
destroy them. I don't do contortions trying to preserve them. I'm not
going to horde all my augments until I've reached end-game and can't see
any item upgrades... because if I did I'd never use them... SOE would
release another expansion, obsolete all my gear, and I'd be back at
square one.
>
>>LDoN has adventure points as currency that allow you to get the item you
>>want with a predictable amount of effort; the level limits ensure that
>>level 20s and 40s don't get benefit from gear that is the LDoN
>>equivalent of god-raid-gear.
>>
>>True, you *could* do 1000s of level 20 adventures buy the big dealie,
>>and then level up, and use it... it bypasses the 'concept' but its
>>hardly an abuse due to its extreme inefficiency.
>
>
> You can't do 1000s of level 20 adventures because you would then be level 56.
Apparently I die a lot more than you. :)
> So lets say I've done a hundred, I've earned enough for Uber Earring but it
> says "recommended 65". Not Fair.
They could have broken up the points further. So that not only do you
have Mistmoore and Guk points... but you also have 20s points, 30s
points, and so on... and you can only spend 20s points on items with a
recommended level of 20... 30s points on items with a recommended level
of 30 or less... etc
Alternatively the merchants could simply refuse to show you things you
couldn't use.
It amounts to almost the same thing. In the current implementation you
can buy the gear but can't use it. That beats not being allowed to buy
the gear.
> Theoretically you *could* park your level 5 at the uber spawn site and then
> bring him on and get Uber Gear from non-LDON places. *That* would be wrong,
> the level 5 didn't earn the gear, but he could certainly get it.
One of the reasons why the planes are limited to 46+. Level 5 twink
wannabes can't go.
> I've *earned* the points to buy Uber Earring MYSELF. It's all no drop and
> there's no way to *cheat* the system.
Farm enough silk and you've *earned* the plat to buy a 'droppable' uber
earing yourself too. But what they'd really like you to see you
challenge some 65th level content before you can put it on... if all you
can kill is 40th level mobs you aren't worthy to wear UBER earings...
even if you've killed a lot of 40th level mobs and got the 'points'.
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> The destroying augment thing really pisses me off. With most other
> gear if I upgrade I can sell or pass on my old gear to someone else.
Must be nice. Most of my gear is no drop. I haven't sold or passed
anything I've actually worn to another character in a long time.
Jennaii
>56.
>
>Apparently I die a lot more than you. :)
>
Wow. You have a point here. One I hadn't taken into consideration. My cleric
got to 56 almost entirely on LDON, well, after PC. My ranger OTOH, started EQ
back in Y2K, before LDON, before knowledge, before nexus, etc.. so my cleric
already knew her way around ... where to go... where not to go.. how not to
die... I'm going to start another thread on that...
>Alternatively the merchants could simply refuse to show you things you
>couldn't use.
>
>It amounts to almost the same thing. In the current implementation you
>can buy the gear but can't use it. That beats not being allowed to buy
>the gear.
You can check a box that says "show only gear I can use". Thats all I see. It
still BITES to see gear I have clearly earned that I cannot use, based on the
way LDON was set up...
>One of the reasons why the planes are limited to 46+. Level 5 twink
wannabes can't go.
The new zones prevent baby farming. The old ones don't.....
>Farm enough silk and you've *earned* the plat to buy a 'droppable' uber
>earing yourself too. But what they'd really like you to see you
>challenge some 65th level content before you can put it on...
There's the thing... I am not impressed by anything I can *afford* with LDON
points. So I just keep acquiring them.. That was why I asked. Maybe I'm
missing a whole lot of gear. Or, Maybe there are alot of people who ARE
impressed, and I am the only malcontent. I can live with that, I just wanna
know. There is ONE augment I like, flowing thought I, but it is only good on
LDON gear, none of which is better than I already have, and lvl 65.....
Adam Russell
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You probably are missing some things if you think that FT1 is the best there
is. There is FT2 that fits on ldon armor and there is also FT2 that fits on
old world armor, though that one is expensive and must be bought with points
from guk which many consider too hard or something. The armor is also very
nice. Probably on the same level as ornate, maybe better. There are a
couple weapons bought from mir camp that are really nice by themselves and
would be awesome with a +2 damage augment. For the bards that are pre or
post epic there are augments to give instrument mods (including singing, but
no percussion).
Ben Sisson
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>I just use them as I get them. I don't stress over much about having to
>destroy them. I don't do contortions trying to preserve them. I'm not
>going to horde all my augments until I've reached end-game and can't see
>any item upgrades... because if I did I'd never use them...
The first rule of thumb I see making the most sense is use an augment
on an item that is already strong in whatever that augment gives. So
for example if you are a ranger and get a +6 dex augment, you put it
in the best piece of dex gear you use. The second rule of thumb is to
augment better items before lesser items, and of course the third is
augment the least likely item to be upgraded any time soon.
That maximizes the lifespan of the augment before you upgrade, on
average (though of course shit happens sometimes and you upgrade in
unexpected places).
scott;
"Jennaii" <jen...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
On the group temperance spell. How many points will it take?
Thank you
TomTheNecro
guildies are getting upgrades from drops. This is a guild that is farming
many PoP mobs and is in VexThall. These LDoN drops are very nice. Save your
points, consider them a bonus from gaining exp. Once you get to the
"required" level, you will have even more points for your UBER earrings,
maybe you can get the UBER ring to match.
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> The first rule of thumb I see making the most sense is use an augment
> on an item that is already strong in whatever that augment gives. So
> for example if you are a ranger and get a +6 dex augment, you put it
> in the best piece of dex gear you use. The second rule of thumb is to
> augment better items before lesser items, and of course the third is
> augment the least likely item to be upgraded any time soon.
Agreed on all points.
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>>>You can't do 1000s of level 20 adventures because you would then be level
>>
>>56.
>>
>>Apparently I die a lot more than you. :)
>
> Wow. You have a point here. One I hadn't taken into consideration. My cleric
> got to 56 almost entirely on LDON, well, after PC. My ranger OTOH, started EQ
> back in Y2K, before LDON, before knowledge, before nexus, etc.. so my cleric
> already knew her way around ... where to go... where not to go.. how not to
> die... I'm going to start another thread on that...
I actually don't die that much (anymore), but did have a close RL friend
give up on EQ after (un)dinging his Rogue back to 25th level around 30
times over two months.
>
>>Alternatively the merchants could simply refuse to show you things you
>>couldn't use.
>>
>>It amounts to almost the same thing. In the current implementation you
>>can buy the gear but can't use it. That beats not being allowed to buy
>>the gear.
>
>
> You can check a box that says "show only gear I can use". Thats all I see. It
> still BITES to see gear I have clearly earned that I cannot use, based on the
> way LDON was set up...
Personally, I found it more irritating that I have to look on the net to
see what to save for.
Hamsterface
> Do you do a lot of LDoN's? I bet I have destroyed *five* augments as I've
> upgraded gear.
This brings up another question ... has the drop rate of augs been
nerfed recently? Seeing far fewer of them than we did a while back.
Hamsterface
> Thank you
Think it's 150 points. You can check out all the stuff that is
available with LDoN points here:
Hamsterface
> Thank you
Yup just checked ... 150 Takish LDoN points.
TomTheNecro
I think so, I haven't actually "seen" where a nerfing has taken place, but I
have only seen 3 drop in my last 5-10 adventures. When LDoN dropped, I was
seeing multi drops per adventure.
Along the same lines: Bosses seem to be less in attendance now compared to
launch.
All good in my opinion. There needs to be a way to keep other zones
populated, if I were guaranteed a few chances at Augs/Boss loot per
adventure, I would never go anywhere else. I think they nerfed the Exp too,
but I don't see how if it is designed to be a certain level of mobs for your
group. It was almost like I seen a sudden drop in the amount of
exp/adventure.
Jennaii
>couple weapons bought from mir camp that are really nice by themselves and
>would be awesome with a +2 damage augment. For the bards that are pre or
>post epic there are augments to give instrument mods (including singing, but
>no percussion).
>
I was hoping for advise on *cleric* gear... thanks for the link tho.
Jennaii
>see what to save for.
>
I don't normally turn to the net for gear advise. I use the bazaar sort
feature.
And I don't mind checking out the LDON merchants either really, it's just
maddening to not find anything I want for my *CLERIC* on them.
Adam Russell
"Jennaii" <jen...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> > There are a
> >couple weapons bought from mir camp that are really nice by themselves
and
> >would be awesome with a +2 damage augment. For the bards that are pre or
> >post epic there are augments to give instrument mods (including singing,
but
> >no percussion).
> >
>
> I was hoping for advise on *cleric* gear... thanks for the link tho.
Check the tak and mir armor then.
scott;
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Thank you
scott;
> > Thank you
>
> Yup just checked ... 150 Takish LDoN points.
oh great, all my points are in Mir or something (. I have 70 in Tak I think.
I dont get to play a lot now, so I cant remember areas (.
kaev
<snip>
> http://www.squidbox.com/skp/eq/ldon/list.cgi
> You probably are missing some things if you think that FT1 is the best there
> is. There is FT2 that fits on ldon armor and there is also FT2 that fits on
> old world armor, though that one is expensive and must be bought with points
> from guk which many consider too hard or something.
You do not have to buy AP gear with points from the particular theme,
all of your APs go into a common pool. What you have to do is earn
enough APs in a theme to "unlock" the gear you want. For example,
if you want to get the plate armor from the Everfrost camp you have
to earn at least 760 AP doing adventures from that camp. Once you've
done that you need never do another mission from that camp, you can
buy any gear costing 760 or less AP from that adventure merchant with
APs earned in any theme.
kaev
Jennaii
>I dont get to play a lot now, so I cant remember areas (.
At higher levels you get alot more points per mission completed tho so 150
isn't so hard to reach. FWIW, I have used this spell one time. It requires 2
dots, and usually a couple of people in my groups have virtue or something on.
Then of course halfway thru the dungeon their virtue runs out and you have to
cast temp again anyway.....
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>>Personally, I found it more irritating that I have to look on the net to
>>see what to save for.
>>
>
>
> I don't normally turn to the net for gear advise. I use the bazaar sort
> feature.
This has a major lack of no-drop equipment ;). Which is typically the
equipment I'm most interested in. Granted its not something that I
'save' for... but I hate having to surf the web to discover what mobs
and zones I'd be interested in hunting in for upgrades.
> And I don't mind checking out the LDON merchants either really, it's just
> maddening to not find anything I want for my *CLERIC* on them.
I hear that.
Tony Evans
>LDoN has adventure points as currency that allow you to get the item you
>want with a predictable amount of effort; the level limits ensure that
>level 20s and 40s don't get benefit from gear that is the LDoN
>equivalent of god-raid-gear.
LDoN points = in-game sanctioned version of DKP?
The more you attend the more you can get.
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