Skydiving down the Hole?
David Navarro
the huge abyss right after you come out of the cave.
That got me thinking... Is it possible to levitate all the way down? (I
know I should have tried it myself rather than asking, but I had all my
gear with me and I'm not still in the safety area of lvl 30... =).
What's at the bottom? And... If I *had* fallen, what would corpse
recovery be like?
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jaZZmanian Devil
>
> Yesterday I visited Paineel for the first time, and I nearly fell down
> the huge abyss right after you come out of the cave.
>
> That got me thinking... Is it possible to levitate all the way down? (I
> know I should have tried it myself rather than asking, but I had all my
> gear with me and I'm not still in the safety area of lvl 30... =).
> What's at the bottom? And... If I *had* fallen, what would corpse
> recovery be like?
What you saw was the, errr.... "less desirable" entrance to the zone
known as "The Hole". Having levitate on will do you no good at all. The
zone is designed so that as you zone through, it will strip you of any
levitate, flying type buffs, as well as any sort of clerical
invulnerability buffs or effects as well. You'd have fallen a huge
distance and taken damage in the thousands or ten thousand range.
Assuming that you *somehow* lived through that, you would have found
yourself surrounded by a number of mobs who would not have been warm and
fuzzy at all. I think the lowest level mobs in the hole are level 40+,
and they go up to the "holy shit we're all going to die" range.
There's another entrance down by the lake, but you'll likely need a
key to get in. Can be purchased from some bartender in Paineel for about
120 PP. Wouldn't reccomend that zone at your level though. As to the
CR? You can either start over naked or find a high level Necro willing
to go in and summon your corpse for you, I suppose. Save aside some plat
for that, too, though.
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David Navarro
>
>
> What you saw was the, errr.... "less desirable" entrance to the zone
> known as "The Hole". Having levitate on will do you no good at all. The
> zone is designed so that as you zone through, it will strip you of any
> levitate, flying type buffs, as well as any sort of clerical
> invulnerability buffs or effects as well. You'd have fallen a huge
> distance and taken damage in the thousands or ten thousand range.
> Assuming that you *somehow* lived through that, you would have found
> yourself surrounded by a number of mobs who would not have been warm and
> fuzzy at all. I think the lowest level mobs in the hole are level 40+,
> and they go up to the "holy shit we're all going to die" range.
> There's another entrance down by the lake, but you'll likely need a
> key to get in. Can be purchased from some bartender in Paineel for about
> 120 PP. Wouldn't reccomend that zone at your level though. As to the
> CR? You can either start over naked or find a high level Necro willing
> to go in and summon your corpse for you, I suppose. Save aside some plat
> for that, too, though.
Yeah, I saw the underwater entrance. I bound a lvl 1 Halfling Rogue
there, before he went on a scouting mission before a big raid took
place. I had no intention to visit the Hole dungeon, though; as a Druid,
I profoundly distrust dungeons, but I love skydiving, that was basically
the reason for my question. I didn't even know you would zone before
hitting the bottom :) I will probably try the dive from the ledge to the
swimming pool below, that looks about doable.
Lance
David Navarro wrote:
Corpse recovery from diving into the hole generally consists
of "find a high level necro, buy a coffin, have him zone in
the regular entrance, and summon." (coffin cost 175pp,
necro high enough level to do it, priceless)
Alternate possibilities would be to
1) launch an enormous raid on the hole and fight your
way to the body (inconveiently, you are naked or
wearing your alternate equipment)
2) get a character who isn't KOS, like say a dwarven
paladin, or perhaps a bard who knows what his 12th
song is for, to go in and drag. Not sure that -everything-
in there is on the one faction, though.
3) get someone with stealth skills to do likewise...
will invis do the job? Will Hide and Sneak, rogue style?
4) write off your equipment as a total loss
This last is what the hundreds of sub tenth evil erudite
newbies who go down the hole out of curiousity are
stuck with, which is what is so odd about this literal
death trap sitting right at a newbie zone. We are trained
to think of death as a temporary inconvenience, where
we need to go loot our bodies, but here is a completely
different story.
Bergh
PS: If you like to BASE, try starting a cleric. At
level one you can purchase the Divine Aura spell,
which will allow you 18 seconds of total invulnerability,
so you can survive almost any jump in the game, the
Hole being a notable exception. I used to jump out
of kelethin pre-tenth just to avoid all that running around
trying to find a bank, and at 51st, I still use DA to
get to the city in CC: Jump off the ledge and train the
dozen or so orcs that I pick up at the bottom to the
coldain.
As you've already observed, hitting water means taking
no damage, one of the best things about EW is jumping
off the dragon bridge... 10Khp if you happen to hit
land, btw.
Berg Brelltender
Vicar of 51 impossible leaps, Morel Thule
Ode
(1) sky-dived into the hole
(2) very when very close to hitting the ground, i /q
(3) when i came back on, i only fell for 300 or so
not sure if it always will work
Electragician
"Lance" <emp...@success.net> wrote in message
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> Corpse recovery from diving into the hole generally consists
> of "find a high level necro, buy a coffin, have him zone in
> the regular entrance, and summon." (coffin cost 175pp,
> necro high enough level to do it, priceless)
This probably varies by server and individual GM's, but I know of two
seperate instances of GM's helping with corpse retrieval in the Hole on the
Seventh Hammer. These were both high teen characters, and the instances were
about 1 month apart.Both instances occurred to guildmates of mine, and I was
actually present when one of them lagged out and ran off the edge of the
hole, after zoning in from Toxx.
Usually the GM goes down and clears the area, then summons you to your
corpse, and once you've looted they summon you out. I highly doubt they'd go
to the trouble if they knew for sure that you did it on purpose though =)
Matt K
Cam
willing
> to go in and summon your corpse for you, I suppose. Save aside some plat
> for that, too, though.
Oh really...
/petition
Cam
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They would summon your corpse and let you loot it...
georg
Nope. You fell in the Hole. Sorry, but no GM rez for joo. You are SoL.
-Tiru
Adam Russell
Hey, I always wondered what the purpose of that death trap was. Maybe they
plan to make it the portal to SOL. <g>
Dark Tyger
*Shrug* On a lotta MUDs, deathtraps are common. Ones that simply make
all your stuff go *poof*. They can be avoided by using some sense, but
they are there. I would say "don't jump down the big-ass hole" is good
sense. ;-)
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Carlo Mosca
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> would if you went LD? If so then you would hit for full damage, just
> like if you were fighting and went LD with the mob taking full
> advantage of your sudden incapacity to fight back and kicking your
> ass.
> I may be missing something here as I've never experimented with
> hitting /q in the middle of a fight.
Hmm. Well, when you go LD you supposedly become an AI controlled character,
presumably with all the advantages a mob gets (like near-unlimited mana,
etc). Since I don't think you can kill a mob through falling damage (at
least, I've never managed to even get one to take and falling damage I can
see), it might work...
In the middle of a fight the mob will just kick your ass, of course.
Farghen
could cast it after you zoned and survive the fall. This could be a
shortcut to the Plane of Underfoot when it opens. Cleric (brell
follower) and mage jump. Cleric ressurects mage in a safe spot.
Cleric gates to zone in and invites the rest of the raid one by one
for CoH.
Brell followers are non-kos to elementals, golems and flighty fiends.
Most of these see through invis. Ratmen and ghosts will still attack.
Ratmen don't see invisible, and ghosts don't see through ITU. So who
is the one class who are safe anywhere?
Brell worshiping rogue!
So if you fall down the hole, make a halfling (because they get
sneak/hide at level 1) brell worshiping rogue and drag your corpse
out.
High level enchanters who haven't hunted there much can navigate
safely with careful use of elemental illusion, collaboration,
invisibility, itu. I had to do this to sneak down to one of my epic
quest mobs.
Faction conning is a bit screwy in The Hole. Some mobs will /con
"scowls", but will not attack you no matter how close you get (if you
/con dubious or better to the elementals at the zone in).
Richard
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<snip>
>
> So if you fall down the hole, make a halfling (because they get
> sneak/hide at level 1) brell worshiping rogue and drag your corpse
> out.
>
<snip>
Well, I played a halfling rogue for a few levels, and at level 4, with sneak
maxed out, a red skeleton in WC attacked me. And yes, my sneak was working,
so a level 1 halfling will not be able to sneak around where there are
undead. I didn't try hiding as well, it was too late.
--
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Jacobson
"Cam" <c...@nospam.core.com> wrote in message
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<shakes head in a no type fashion>
Get used to a reply similiar to, "Regretfully, there is nothing a guide can
do for you in this instance. I assure you that all game mechanics were
operating correctly during this situation."
Dark Tyger
>I believe the casting time on divine aura is fast enough that you
>could cast it after you zoned and survive the fall.
No need. Last I heard, the zoning into The Hole doesn't strip Divine
Aura...
Dark Tyger
>Well, I played a halfling rogue for a few levels, and at level 4, with sneak
>maxed out, a red skeleton in WC attacked me. And yes, my sneak was working,
>so a level 1 halfling will not be able to sneak around where there are
>undead. I didn't try hiding as well, it was too late.
Were you sneaking _AND_ hiding? SNeak only makes you indifferent when
you're behind the mob. Sneak and hide at the same time is something
only rogues can do, and makes you completely invisible (except to
certain mobs with see invis. Some level dependancy, too, they have a
chance of seeing through it anyway)
Cam
Or at least a GM would...
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Dark Tyger
>Im pretty sure a guide could do smething for you!
>
>Or at least a GM would...
Nope. "You got yourself into this mess, no bugs were involved, you get
yourself out." Rightfully so, especially if you knew ahead of time
what the result would be.
StanMann
Cam wrote:
>
> Im pretty sure a guide could do smething for you!
>
> Or at least a GM would...
Try it, get back with us, They are bound by the rules, not to help.
StanMann
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Richard
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I thought I said as much in my post, no, just sneaking, hiding requires you
to stand still, or is that not the case for a rogue? I never got serious
enough about playing the rogue to learn all the ins and outs.
Dark Tyger
>I thought I said as much in my post, no, just sneaking, hiding requires you
>to stand still, or is that not the case for a rogue? I never got serious
>enough about playing the rogue to learn all the ins and outs.
WIth a rogue, if you both hide and sneak successfully, you can move
around completely invisible - yes, this is invis to live AND undead
both. Rogues are the only class that can accomplish both types of
invis at the same time, as I understand it.
Mark A. Rimer
> I thought I said as much in my post, no, just sneaking, hiding requires
you
> to stand still, or is that not the case for a rogue? I never got serious
> enough about playing the rogue to learn all the ins and outs.
"Sneak/hide" is a rogue "combination" skill...rogues are the only
class that can "hide" and move at the same time, as long as they
"sneak" when they do it.
Halfpole
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> David Navarro wrote:
> > [snip]
> "The Hole". Having levitate on will do you no good at all. The
> zone is designed so that as you zone through, it will strip you of any
> levitate, flying type buffs, as well as any sort of clerical
> invulnerability buffs or effects as well. You'd have fallen a huge
> distance and taken damage in the thousands or ten thousand range.
> Assuming that you *somehow* lived through that, you would have found
> yourself surrounded by a number of mobs who would not have been warm and
> fuzzy at all. I think the lowest level mobs in the hole are level 40+,
> and they go up to the "holy shit we're all going to die" range.
>
I beg to differ with you on the clerical invunerability buff stripping off
of you when you zone into the Hole. I took a level 2 cleric with Divine
Aura, and skydived down the hole with it active. Survived the landing, and
got to take screen shots of two beasties trying to eat me before the buff
wore off.
Unless they nerfed Divine Aura recently, it should still work.
I don't know of any other spell remotely like it that won't strip off of you
when you zone into the Hole.
Dark Tyger
>I don't know of any other spell remotely like it that won't strip off of you
>when you zone into the Hole.
Harmshield. ;-)
Richard
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Cool, I may just have to play him again.
Busker/Lannella
"Richard" <rjrapier peakpeak com> wrote in message news:3b65b2f4.0@news...
> > you're behind the mob. Sneak and hide at the same time is something
> > only rogues can do, and makes you completely invisible (except to
> > certain mobs with see invis. Some level dependancy, too, they have a
> > chance of seeing through it anyway)
>
you
> to stand still, or is that not the case for a rogue? I never got serious
> enough about playing the rogue to learn all the ins and outs.
Only rogues can use sneak and hide together, and only rogues get
success/fail messages for each.
Come visit our Library at www.thesafehouse.org. Read it thoroughly, and if
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Halfpole
Richard <rjrapier peakpeak com> wrote in message news:3b66ba1e.0@news...
Also, Rogues are the only class that get a success/failure message in their
efforts to sneak/hide. All others have to just guess, and hope it worked.
Serefin
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a necro or go for the naked look. GM's ain't gonna care one way or the
other.
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Richard
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That much I knew, although on the sneak, the guess work involves taking one
or two steps. With hide, I just ask someone nearby, I'm usually with
friends anyway, if I am hiding. Or if I can see a mob, I'll con it to test.