Killing Soulbinders
Annie M. Benson-Lennaman
soulbinder I see some idiot whacking on him. For
some reason, the soulbinder is unable to fight back.
The PC can just whack and whack on him without taking
a point of damage. And whack and whack he must,
since it seems the SB has a ton of HPs. In fact,
I've never seen him at less than half health, though
to be sure I don't stick around and watch.
Is this a phenomena of just the Drinal server?
And if not, does anyone else have a problem with
this besides me? It pisses me off that some
inconsiderate jerk would make such a genuinely
useful NPC unavailable to other people so that
he or she (but so far, I've only seen he's doing
it) can capitalize on an obvious exploit.
I report them when I see it. I've had the
guide respond very quickly when I do. One told
me that Verant is very aware of the problem,
and is treating like any other case where PCs
are using an exploit. Why they don't just move
the SB I don't know, seems like it would be a
very easy thing to fix.
Annie <--- Thinks the Soulbinder should have deathtouch.
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>
> It seem that every time I run past the Freeport
> soulbinder I see some idiot whacking on him. For
> some reason, the soulbinder is unable to fight back.
> I report them when I see it. I've had the
> guide respond very quickly when I do. One told
> me that Verant is very aware of the problem,
> and is treating like any other case where PCs
> are using an exploit. Why they don't just move
> the SB I don't know, seems like it would be a
> very easy thing to fix.
>
> Annie <--- Thinks the Soulbinder should have deathtouch.
Naw. It's an easy fix. Just make them exactly like the nexus scions. Go
ahead and whack him, exploiter. Now he double hits back for 2400 a
crack. Lot's of luck. Oh, and he gives no xp and no drops if you DO
manage to kill him, and you become KOS to all soulbinders, POD's, and
Nexus Scions immediately.
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Richard
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> It seem that every time I run past the Freeport
> soulbinder I see some idiot whacking on him. For
> some reason, the soulbinder is unable to fight back.
> The PC can just whack and whack on him without taking
> a point of damage. And whack and whack he must,
> since it seems the SB has a ton of HPs. In fact,
> I've never seen him at less than half health, though
> to be sure I don't stick around and watch.
> Is this a phenomena of just the Drinal server?
> And if not, does anyone else have a problem with
> this besides me? It pisses me off that some
> inconsiderate jerk would make such a genuinely
> useful NPC unavailable to other people so that
> he or she (but so far, I've only seen he's doing
> it) can capitalize on an obvious exploit.
> I report them when I see it. I've had the
> guide respond very quickly when I do. One told
> me that Verant is very aware of the problem,
> and is treating like any other case where PCs
> are using an exploit. Why they don't just move
> the SB I don't know, seems like it would be a
> very easy thing to fix.
>
> Annie <--- Thinks the Soulbinder should have deathtouch.
>
I think the soulbinder should just have the ability to rebind the offender
somewhere interesting, permanently, never to be rebound.
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> Yn erthygl <3C45886E...@yahoo.com>, sgrifenws "Annie M.
> Benson-Lennaman" <annie...@yahoo.com>:
> >are using an exploit. Why they don't just move
> >the SB I don't know, seems like it would be a
> >very easy thing to fix.
> >
> >Annie <--- Thinks the Soulbinder should have deathtouch.
>
> sb, and gets smeared all over the pavement with one blow.
They should be much more evil than that. Give the soulbinders some
port spells. They should port anyone who attacks them somewhere
nasty and bind them there.
Richard
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Permanently, never to be rebound anywhere else.
TwoHead
> > port spells. They should port anyone who attacks them somewhere
> > nasty and bind them there.
>
> Permanently, never to be rebound anywhere else.
>
I was thinking along those lines. Perhaps the Soulbinder "steals" their
soul rather than binding it, rendering them unable to be rebound
anywhere ever again. Well, they could do the quest to recover their
soul, but that involves giving Yelniak 200 burned out lightstones <EG>.
th
Ben Covarrubias
Is this a phenomena of just the Drinal server?
> And if not, does anyone else have a problem with
> this besides me? It pisses me off that some
> inconsiderate jerk would make such a genuinely
> useful NPC unavailable to other people so that
> he or she (but so far, I've only seen he's doing
> it) can capitalize on an obvious exploit.
> I report them when I see it. I've had the
> guide respond very quickly when I do. One told
> me that Verant is very aware of the problem,
> and is treating like any other case where PCs
> are using an exploit.
>
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> Teabomb -- Gnome Wizard, 18, blasting lizards by the lake.
> Teaword -- Dark Elf Magician, 14, burning in Lavastorm.
> Teadead -- Human Necromancer, 11, terrorizing the Commons.
> Teacure -- High Elf Cleric, 4, newcomer to the city of cats.
> Teaclaw -- Troll Beastlord, 2, frolicking in the swamp.
>
> ------
What is the obvious exploit? Is it that people use the SB for weapons
training?
Player of Valkir Sunderblood
John Burton
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Oh that would be cool. Steal their soul so they are unbound and if they
die they don't come back...
Blair Franklin, Gold 73
and even while 4 players were wacking the SB he still bound the PC. :-)
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TwoHead
Well that might be going too far. How about we split the difference and
their bind spot is changed permanently to a location somewhere in the
middle of The Grey. Think about it. Yes, evil!
th
[p.a.]Kane's Jihad
stand and die slowly. Messes the game up for other guys and gals who need a
bind. I had to ask a low lvl dwarf to stop today so I could be bound. As a
side note city guards dont intervene. I saw a guard walk straight past a SB
under attack.
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> >
> > ------
> Please forgive a question borne of ignorance:
> What is the obvious exploit? Is it that people use the SB for weapons
> training?
>
> Player of Valkir Sunderblood
>
>
Can you imagine the xp that could be gained if your lowbie character could
just whack on high level NPC's, knowing that they can't/won't fight back?
Even if it is just for the skills, it is still an exploit that
inconveniences other players.
I could see if someone accidently hit the Soulbinder a time or two, that
he/she might be the forgiving sort... but after a few swings, when it's
obvious the attack is deliberate, a nice translocate somewhere inconvenient
might be appropriate.
I say after a few swings, because not everyone who attacks an NPC does so
deliberately. A case in point is when my brother went to visit his beloved
Dwarven king for the first time as a newbie. Humbly approaching his
majesty, he proceeded to type out, "H-a-i-l..." This was before he knew to
re-map his auto-attack key........my brother was turned into a grease spot
within moments after hitting the 'a' key.
To make it so anyone who attacks a Soulbinder is instantly
translocated/bound someplace nasty would be unjust for the innocent newbies
and the occasionally careless or accident-prone veteran. Make it so the
Soulbinder does that after reaching, say, half hit points....that would make
the surprise even nastier for the exploiters....
TwoHead
>
> point is that people can kill the Soulbinders. They dont fight back, just
> stand and die slowly. Messes the game up for other guys and gals who need a
> bind. I had to ask a low lvl dwarf to stop today so I could be bound. As a
> side note city guards dont intervene. I saw a guard walk straight past a SB
> under attack.
>
Yes yes, we all can see the exploit. We are just hashing out proper
punishments. If you can come up with something better than being
permanently bound in the middle of a zone with no air please post, we
are still open to improvements on this plan.
th
Mark A. Rimer
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> I saw this the other day, however, someone came up and said "bind my soul"
> and even while 4 players were wacking the SB he still bound the PC. :-)
He's REALLY dedicated to his job...
KKA
I am no xpert but it seems that every little nuence of this game is
"exploited" .....?
Not complaining thats just how/what it is.
In this case You just dont have to be a Veteran to be able to do or know
about the xploit.....Seems anyone can take advantage....(which is not always
the case i have found)
Now I have never particapated in a gaurd killing (though i have hit them by
accident and died) but what is the difference here ?
..... one persons gain is maybe *anothers* loss.
I just dont see the differnce of killing a SB, and the killing of the gaurd
by the Toll Booth in the Commons? ...that gaurd may be there to benenfit a
low level by protection but it seems more than not that he is there to
bennifit others from giving xp......hummm
Now I know this is probably a slanted view of things after reading the other
posts but i feel the questions are:
1. wow what is the SB respawn time because i am gonna get that 2hb(that i
have neglected) up real fast.....Woot !
2. What faction (if any) does this change?
3. I sure know where i am coming for my next hell level
Now all that said i am sure that i will never try to attempt killing a SB
(cause i believe in good Carma) but it sure sounds awfully tempting :)
ohhh well I had to say that :)
-kris.
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> > >
> > > ------
> > Please forgive a question borne of ignorance:
> > What is the obvious exploit? Is it that people use the SB for weapons
> > training?
> >
> > Player of Valkir Sunderblood
> >
> >
>
> Can you imagine the xp that could be gained if your lowbie character could
> just whack on high level NPC's, knowing that they can't/won't fight back?
> Even if it is just for the skills, it is still an exploit that
> inconveniences other players.
>
> I could see if someone accidently hit the Soulbinder a time or two, that
> he/she might be the forgiving sort... but after a few swings, when it's
> obvious the attack is deliberate, a nice translocate somewhere
inconvenient
> might be appropriate.
>
>
>
Guess I didn't think of it from the XP point of view. What a boring way to
get XP though! I seem to recall hearing once or twice that XP was capped at
four Levels above the player, so to a 10th Lvl PC, a 14th lvl mob gave as
much as a 44th lvl mob; can anyone confrim/ refute this?
Also, haven't there been other NPCs that didn't fight back, with a boatload
of HPs in the game? I remember one in the modified Befallen, and isn't
there a Bloodmaw (Bloodclaw?) kodiak in GD? Guess I'm due for a bit of
flaming here, because the idea of setting up on a 'safe' NPC to practice on
while I make dinner sounds really tempting...sorta like a practice dummy
mentioned in another thread here. Perhaps that is what was patched earlier
this morning?
Player of Valkir Sunderblood
Valien
>by the Toll Booth in the Commons? ...that gaurd may be there to benenfit a
>low level by protection but it seems more than not that he is there to
>bennifit others from giving xp......hummm
The guards at the toll booth in West Commonlands are evil. They are
part of the Freeport Militia. Killing them raises faction with the
Paladin/Cleric guilds in North Freeport. (The also give decent exp as
well)
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>
>I just dont see the differnce of killing a SB, and the killing of the
>gaurd by the Toll Booth in the Commons? ...that gaurd may be there to
>benenfit a low level by protection but it seems more than not that he is
>there to bennifit others from giving xp......hummm
>
Easy. When you whack a guard, he whacks back. EXP is gained at risk. When
you whack a SB, he just stands there. Free EXP. Verant has stated that the
model is EXP gained without risk is an exploit, such as taking advantage of
known pathing issues, attacking Mobs from a vantage where they cannot attack
back, and so on. So by Verant's definition, it's an exploit.
Richard
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> >I just dont see the differnce of killing a SB, and the killing of the
gaurd
> >by the Toll Booth in the Commons? ...that gaurd may be there to
benenfit a
> >low level by protection but it seems more than not that he is there to
> >bennifit others from giving xp......hummm
>
> The guards at the toll booth in West Commonlands are evil. They are
> part of the Freeport Militia. Killing them raises faction with the
> Paladin/Cleric guilds in North Freeport. (The also give decent exp as
> well)
>
And, they fight back.
Jerome Chan
in norrath.
Adam Russell
There should also be a kos size faction hit.
Dark Tyger
>There should also be a kos size faction hit.
Generally, the people who kill guards are either already KOS or have
no problem with becoming KOS...
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> > The guards at the toll booth in West Commonlands are evil. They are
> > part of the Freeport Militia. Killing them raises faction with the
> > Paladin/Cleric guilds in North Freeport. (The also give decent exp as
> > well)
No they don't! They just stand there rooted while they die
from DoT's...
;-)
sanjian
> I think the soulbinder should just have the ability to rebind the offender
> somewhere interesting, permanently, never to be rebound.
While you're at it, allow the Nexus Scions to TP you to the Hole.
Of course, this would only as a last shot before death. That way the people
who accidently attacked (as I do to my guild trainers on a monthly basis)
can just sit there and take their punishment and avoid the penalty. Either
that, or gate out.
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sanjian
gaurd
> >by the Toll Booth in the Commons? ...that gaurd may be there to
benenfit a
> >low level by protection but it seems more than not that he is there to
> >bennifit others from giving xp......hummm
>
> The guards at the toll booth in West Commonlands are evil. They are
> part of the Freeport Militia. Killing them raises faction with the
> Paladin/Cleric guilds in North Freeport. (The also give decent exp as
> well)
There's also a quest based around killing corrupt guards. Verant intends
for them to be taken down. They intend for SB's to be there to perform a
service. As far as I know, there's no quest about taking down the SB's.
Faned
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>> >I just dont see the differnce of killing a SB, and the killing of the
>gaurd
>> >by the Toll Booth in the Commons? ...that gaurd may be there to
>benenfit a
>> >low level by protection but it seems more than not that he is there to
>> >bennifit others from giving xp......hummm
>>
>> The guards at the toll booth in West Commonlands are evil. They are
>> part of the Freeport Militia. Killing them raises faction with the
>> Paladin/Cleric guilds in North Freeport. (The also give decent exp as
>> well)
>
>There's also a quest based around killing corrupt guards. Verant intends
>for them to be taken down. They intend for SB's to be there to perform a
>service. As far as I know, there's no quest about taking down the SB's.
>
How do you think someone figured out those quests for killing corrupt
guards? Likely by trying it to see what happened.
Anyone
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Probably by being told to get what ever item that so and so guard has,
usually the questgiver tells you who you have to kill.
Vladesch
Port and bind would be stretching their capabilities a bit imo. A port to a
random choice of a) Neriak third gate b) Plane of fear c) Paladins guild,
Kaladim. Might make for some interesting cr's
Maybe some spells that drains xp might be adequate deterrent.
away the grief players.
Watchman
bizbee wrote:
>
> uhhh... I'm seeing this too, and my guess is that it's the latest
> exploit. I watched two really low level guys beat on the soulbinder in
> Shadow Haven for about thirty minutes. I reported them, as I'm sure
> the three or four people standing there did, but no one showed up,
> they killed the binder, and next came the people streaming past saying
> "hey, where the hell did the soulbinder go?"
>
> I live for the day they fix this and some fuckbag comes up, hits the
> sb, and gets smeared all over the pavement with one blow.
I think the Soulbinders should be infused with an aura of reflection. That way
any damage thrown at them is returned to the attacker with no harm to the
Soulbinder. Would solve the problem. :)
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dstep
<annie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It seem that every time I run past the Freeport
>soulbinder I see some idiot whacking on him. For
>some reason, the soulbinder is unable to fight back.
>The PC can just whack and whack on him without taking
>a point of damage. And whack and whack he must,
>since it seems the SB has a ton of HPs. In fact,
>I've never seen him at less than half health, though
>to be sure I don't stick around and watch.
> Is this a phenomena of just the Drinal server?
No, its a phenomena of verant being sloppy. They eventually fix it by
having the npc attack as they did with the gnome vendor in freeport
people used as a "trainer." So don't worry, one day the people
whacking on the Soubinders will get a surprise ;) Another NPC you can
do the same thing with is Izera the dark elf for a dismal rage quest,
she is in SRO.
>And if not, does anyone else have a problem with
>this besides me? It pisses me off that some
>inconsiderate jerk would make such a genuinely
>useful NPC unavailable to other people so that
>he or she (but so far, I've only seen he's doing
>it) can capitalize on an obvious exploit.
The guy is still availible to players for binding purposes. That
inconsiderate jerk does not WANT to kill him, so don't worry ;)
Similarly Izera can still have the quest note handed to her in sro
while someone is beating on her (but sadly this quest is STILL BROKE
ANYWAY)
> I report them when I see it. I've had the
>guide respond very quickly when I do. One told
>me that Verant is very aware of the problem,
>and is treating like any other case where PCs
>are using an exploit. Why they don't just move
>the SB I don't know, seems like it would be a
>very easy thing to fix.
Actually its more complex, I think they have to REWRITE the soulbinder
or other npcs like that so they attack (or just turn on attack for
them) Either way, they can only do that by a server side zone patch
once they fix it.
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> point is that people can kill the Soulbinders. They dont fight back, just
> stand and die slowly. Messes the game up for other guys and gals who need
a
> bind. I had to ask a low lvl dwarf to stop today so I could be bound. As a
> side note city guards dont intervene. I saw a guard walk straight past a
SB
> under attack.
I thought they had made it so there were now un-attackable MOBS. Perfect
use for that feature I would have thought.
Daniel Molnar
One new feature with Luclin is untargettable mobs like the maneating,
rooting, dotting, deathtrap plants in Echo Caverns (nasty!!!).
You need to be able to target the soulbinder to hail him correctly.
/D
Mark A. Rimer
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> No, its a phenomena of verant being sloppy. They eventually fix it by
> having the npc attack as they did with the gnome vendor in freeport
> people used as a "trainer." So don't worry, one day the people
> whacking on the Soubinders will get a surprise ;) Another NPC you can
> do the same thing with is Izera the dark elf for a dismal rage quest,
> she is in SRO.
It's not just PC's who do that to Izera...while hunting the AC before
as the only 40+ player in the zone, I saw a sand giant whale on her
for literally 2 hours one day. She never fought back, never got below
99% health, and just stood there or walked non-chalantly around
while this giant hit and hit and hit...I guess he was training hand to
hand...
Richard
Untargetable mobs. Unfortuantely, it's difficult to ask an untargetable mob
to bind you.
Richard
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Well, OK, but they have the potential of fighting back. If I were to go
around killing them, I would be using the same method.
Zymyool
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> It seem that every time I run past the Freeport
> soulbinder I see some idiot whacking on him. For
> some reason, the soulbinder is unable to fight back.
I couldn't resist the urge to attack the guy with me ( at the time ) level
2 Rogue. I had just bound, and was low on food, so it was a good option
for me =)
I attacked him, and was amazed that he didn't fight back... at first.
After about 30sec - 1 minute of piercing him ( did 3 points total, I think
), he attacked back and smeared me.
I did the same trick at level 4 for about a minute and he didn't attack
back, so I shot an arrow at a nearby guard. That did the trick.
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Annie M. Benson-Lennaman
jaZZmanian Devil wrote:
> Naw. It's an easy fix. Just make them exactly like the nexus scions. Go
> ahead and whack him, exploiter. Now he double hits back for 2400 a
> crack. Lot's of luck. Oh, and he gives no xp and no drops if you DO
> manage to kill him, and you become KOS to all soulbinders, POD's, and
> Nexus Scions immediately.
Nasty. I like the way you think.
My husband and I were bouncing around some fun ideas last
night after reading this thread. His was that after you
attack
a SB your soul becomes permantely "unbound". You never know
where you're going to spawn when you die or gate. The
middle
of Misty Thicket, the bottom of the LoIO, somewhere in the
Hole.
It would make for some interesting CR's to be sure.
But I have a bigger mean streak than he does. After you
attack for, oh, say five minutes or so (to protect the poor
souls that forget to change the auto attack key), the SB
should
perma-bind you right in front of him, then become KOS to
you.
He should hit like a Nexus Scion. I mean, the exploiters
like
attacking a defenseless target, might as well give
on-lookers
the same thrill... over and over again.
But in reality, what I think Verant will probably end up
doing is just make 'em hit like the Scions, and leave it at
that.
Annie <--- Feels better now that she's vented.
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<annie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It seem that every time I run past the Freeport
>soulbinder I see some idiot whacking on him. For
>some reason, the soulbinder is unable to fight back.
>The PC can just whack and whack on him without taking
>a point of damage. And whack and whack he must,
>since it seems the SB has a ton of HPs. In fact,
>I've never seen him at less than half health, though
>to be sure I don't stick around and watch.
> Is this a phenomena of just the Drinal server?
>And if not, does anyone else have a problem with
>this besides me? It pisses me off that some
>inconsiderate jerk would make such a genuinely
>useful NPC unavailable to other people so that
>he or she (but so far, I've only seen he's doing
>it) can capitalize on an obvious exploit.
> I report them when I see it. I've had the
>guide respond very quickly when I do. One told
>me that Verant is very aware of the problem,
>and is treating like any other case where PCs
>are using an exploit. Why they don't just move
>the SB I don't know, seems like it would be a
>very easy thing to fix.
>
>Annie <--- Thinks the Soulbinder should have deathtouch.
I did see a high level mage pound the soulbinder in EFP, the guy was
50+ and had his earth pet with him, think he was there for like 15
minutes at least, even think that i did see that the soulbinder hit
xxx for 123dmg :) the spulbinder had lost 1/8th of his health at the
time and did not seem to lose anymore :)
/Regards Berth
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sanjian
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> <san...@widomaker.com> wrote:
> How do you think someone figured out those quests for killing corrupt
> guards? Likely by trying it to see what happened.
By talking to the Qeynos guard captain or the captain of the guards on the
NK <--> SK bridge.
Faned
>
>
> But in reality, what I think Verant will probably end up
>doing is just make 'em hit like the Scions, and leave it at
>that.
>
>Annie <--- Feels better now that she's vented.
<--- Saw someone kill a Scion
Faned
>"Faned" <fa...@wyld.wox.org> wrote in message
>news:slrna3acrl...@wyld.wox.org...
>> <san...@widomaker.com> wrote:
>
>> How do you think someone figured out those quests for killing corrupt
>> guards? Likely by trying it to see what happened.
>
>By talking to the Qeynos guard captain or the captain of the guards on the
>NK <--> SK bridge.
As someone who started out in Qeynos area my first time around, how did you
know which guards were corrupt?
Orlun
>attacking a defenseless target, might as well give
>on-lookers
>the same thrill... over and over again.
> But in reality, what I think Verant will probably end up
>doing is just make 'em hit like the Scions, and leave it at
>that.
>
This would be good. I would also like to see the Soulbinder Bind you before
he quads you for over 2400dmg. At least then, if you had attacked by
accident, your body will be close. This would save a small bit of
embarrassment by knowing that "at least I got bound" :-)
TwoHead
C
Conning will show you which guards appear to like you and which ones
don't like you as much. Now take into account your own faction and if
you are good the good guards are the ones that like you and the ones
that give you an ugly look are corrupt. If you faction is good reverse
that. Its pretty simple really.
th
Bert Medley
Depending on your opening faction, the 2 giard factions con differently.
Ben Haddick
Bradmeister
guards?
Likely by trying it to see what happened. <<<
So they figured out the quest through reverse engineering?
Kill the mob for the quest loot ... but how do I know it's quest loot? Well,
it does seem to serve no other real purpose.
I have quest loot ... who do I give it to? How many do I give? Do I give
anything else with this loot?
Sorry, your argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Please try again.
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afterwards."
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Mark A. Rimer
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> I attacked him, and was amazed that he didn't fight back... at first.
> After about 30sec - 1 minute of piercing him ( did 3 points total, I think
> ), he attacked back and smeared me.
Not an attack, a riposte.
Even non-offensive mobs do that if they
have the skill.
Mark A. Rimer
<--- Saw someone kill a Scion
Yeah.
Whatever.
And I solo'd Sirrin the Lunatic.
:-)
Mobs that hit multiple times in one round
for more than 2500 damage at a pop are
not killable. That's twenty-five hundred
damage x 3 or x 4. Not even the uberist
of uber guilds have warriors with 10,000
hps.
sanjian
Corrupt guards are on bloodsabers faction. After a killing umpteen million
gnolls, and handing in more bonechips than Richard Leakey has ever seen,
Qeynos Guards were warm to me, Bloodsabors scowled. That, and having killed
Robbie Schlister a few times for the Investigator's badge (turn-in failed
first time) also gave me a pretty good faction differential.
Faned
>>>> How do you think someone figured out those quests for killing corrupt
>guards?
>Likely by trying it to see what happened. <<<
>
>So they figured out the quest through reverse engineering?
>
>Kill the mob for the quest loot ... but how do I know it's quest loot? Well,
>it does seem to serve no other real purpose.
>
>I have quest loot ... who do I give it to? How many do I give? Do I give
>anything else with this loot?
>
>Sorry, your argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Please try again.
You just described an average exploring day for me.
dstep
wrote:
>"Annie M. Benson-Lennaman" <annie...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:3C45886E...@yahoo.com:
>
>> It seem that every time I run past the Freeport
>> soulbinder I see some idiot whacking on him. For
>> some reason, the soulbinder is unable to fight back.
>
>I couldn't resist the urge to attack the guy with me ( at the time ) level
>2 Rogue. I had just bound, and was low on food, so it was a good option
>for me =)
>
>I attacked him, and was amazed that he didn't fight back... at first.
>After about 30sec - 1 minute of piercing him ( did 3 points total, I think
>), he attacked back and smeared me.
Ah yeah forgot that part. They DO riposite sometimes as does Izera in
sro. So if you want to train up on them (until they fix it and suprise
you) Do so from BEHIND ;)
dstep
AAHHAHA thats funny.. Never seen something attacking her, a sand giant
would be great. She does riposite sometimes though but he'd have to be
attackin her from the front I guess. Someone in another post here
mentions getting riposited to death by a souldbinder, so I guess best
to attack them from behind.
Jam
>>guide respond very quickly when I do. One told
>>me that Verant is very aware of the problem,
>>and is treating like any other case where PCs
>>are using an exploit. Why they don't just move
>>the SB I don't know, seems like it would be a
>>very easy thing to fix.
>>
>
> Actually its more complex, I think they have to REWRITE the soulbinder
> or other npcs like that so they attack (or just turn on attack for
> them) Either way, they can only do that by a server side zone patch
> once they fix it.
Oh, on another note like that, do anyone know if you can get skill
increases from attacking the Mystic Voice, Norrath Spires, and Norrath
Scions that are invisible NPCs at the port rings?
Been beating on them for a while when i waited for the port, but stopped
when they riposted a few times.
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Adam Russell
them to the other end of the zone so they wouldn't function until they got
put back.
Dark Tyger
Nope, they work on a quest-like system (Responding words and actions
to hails and keywords), not like merchants. A quest NPC when hailed
will give quests and rewards no matter where he's standing when not in
combat unless specificly coded not to do so (Not sure if any are coded
that way).
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Celaeno
>Oh, on another note like that, do anyone know if you can get skill
>increases from attacking the Mystic Voice, Norrath Spires, and Norrath
>Scions that are invisible NPCs at the port rings?
>Been beating on them for a while when i waited for the port, but stopped
>when they riposted a few times.
What's the purpose of the Norrath Scion anyway?
Celaeno Duskwalker
Fier'dal preserver of Erollisi Marr
Zymyool
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Maybe not... I pulled a nibbler in Dalnir and not only Riposted it while
running back to the room, but also got a skill-up in Offense at the same
time. Can't beat that while having your back turned to the Mob!
My attack wasn't even on, as I was pulling with a bow.
A guy in my Guild got all his melee skills up on the Soulbinder this
weekend. I sure hope he doesn't get banned.
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Annie M. Benson-Lennaman
Yesterday on Drinal, the MotD warned that attacking
Soulbinders forbidden, and violators could be banned,
or words to that effect. And for the first time since
I was playing in Freeport, the SB there wasn't getting
spanked every time I passed him.
I think there's a chance the exploit will be fixed
with Wednesday's patch, but I wouldn't count on it.
Annie <--- Feels like buy the SB a round of ale.
Dan Day
>
>Easy. When you whack a guard, he whacks back. EXP is gained at risk. When
>you whack a SB, he just stands there. Free EXP.
Um, try actually killing one...
I took a few whacks at one and despite a few solid 130+ hits,
its health bar didn't budge. So as an experiment, I stood there
for about 30 minutes slashing the hell out of it (I'm already
maxed at 2HS, so I wasn't even gaining any weapon skills from
the test), and after countless hits totalling many, many, many
thousands of HP, the Soulbinder's health bar had gone down
one pixel -- *maybe* two.
They have like a million HP.
If having to hack at something for 8 hours or so to get one
kill is "free" exp, I'd hate to see "non-free" exp.
Your time would be far more profitably spent in a regular
exp group, killing light blues at no real risk.
Doing something that makes you *less* exp than the laziest
form of regular hunting hardly seems like an "exploit" in
my book.
Furthermore, they wouldn't *need* a zillion HP if
they just kicked the crap out of you like the portal Scions
do. So I have to wonder if they were given a zillion
HP specifically because they were designed not to strike
back.
Dan Day
>No, its a phenomena of verant being sloppy. They eventually fix it by
>having the npc attack as they did with the gnome vendor in freeport
>people used as a "trainer." So don't worry, one day the people
>whacking on the Soubinders will get a surprise ;) Another NPC you can
>do the same thing with is Izera the dark elf for a dismal rage quest,
>she is in SRO.
If they "fix" Izera at the same time they "fix" the Soulbinders
(and I'm still not convinced this isn't "working as intended"),
there's going to be a lot of carnage in South Ro -- she's
level 55 and cons "scowling, ready to attack" to most people.
As long as she's passive, that's not a problem, but if they
make her act like any other NPC, she's going to lay waste
to most of the zone. Remember how obnoxious Dorn and Gix
and the Dragoon were when you were newbies? Imagine that
happening all the way up to level 60...
John DeLaGarza
They still dont attack, but now they are lvl 1s so that the most people cant
get skill increases from fighting them.
John DeLaGarza
Dan Day
That'll work...
Robert
<annie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>jaZZmanian Devil wrote:
>
>> Naw. It's an easy fix. Just make them exactly like the nexus scions. Go
>> ahead and whack him, exploiter. Now he double hits back for 2400 a
>> crack. Lot's of luck. Oh, and he gives no xp and no drops if you DO
>> manage to kill him, and you become KOS to all soulbinders, POD's, and
>> Nexus Scions immediately.
>
> Nasty. I like the way you think.
> My husband and I were bouncing around some fun ideas last
>night after reading this thread. His was that after you
>attack
>a SB your soul becomes permantely "unbound". You never know
>where you're going to spawn when you die or gate. The
>middle
>of Misty Thicket, the bottom of the LoIO, somewhere in the
>Hole.
I think they should know where they will be bound. I suggest near the
Fire Pot room. Not too near -- the ocean floor about 10 minutes swim
away would be good.
Richard
news:5mib4uchls221uii2...@4ax.com...
That would rock, if they did that, I'd give it a go. Imagine being just 2
zones, and about 10 minutes away from most of the cities in the old world
zones plus Kunark.
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Appointed>
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Ganwein, Wood Elf Ranger of 12 seasons, Erollisi Marr <The Appointed>
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ravinwulf
No kidding. I'd whack a soulbinder in a heartbeat if what I got for it was a
bind in TD near the firepots.
Mey
Jeremiah Kristal
>> Nasty. I like the way you think.
>> My husband and I were bouncing around some fun ideas last
>>night after reading this thread. His was that after you
>>attack
>>a SB your soul becomes permantely "unbound". You never know
>>where you're going to spawn when you die or gate. The
>>middle
>>of Misty Thicket, the bottom of the LoIO, somewhere in the
>>Hole.
> I think they should know where they will be bound. I suggest near the
> Fire Pot room. Not too near -- the ocean floor about 10 minutes swim
> away would be good.
Yeah, please get this put in the game. I would love to be bound in TD.
Anywhere in the zone. I die, mem song of travel, run to firepots. Port
to nearest city. Put me on the ocean floor, I can hold my breath until I
surface.
The day they do this is the day I immediately attack the soulbinder.
Arolpin
Mark A. Rimer
> Naw. It's an easy fix. Just make them exactly like the nexus scions. Go
> ahead and whack him, exploiter. Now he double hits back for 2400 a
> crack. Lot's of luck. Oh, and he gives no xp and no drops if you DO
> manage to kill him, and you become KOS to all soulbinders, POD's, and
> Nexus Scions immediately.
Was in DL waiting on the spires last night. 15 minutes, 5 minutes, 3
minutes, 1 minute, about to activate.
Cleric and warrior...cleric starts to cast complete heal...
Norrath spires begin to cast a spell...
Warrior hits Scion for 22, 54,3...
Scion hits warrior for 1791, 345, 352...
Complete heal lands....
All parties ported up...
I zone fast, and see Onee pop into the Nexus with about
-4 billion hitpoints, at which point WHILE SHE'S STILL
ZONING, her hps climb all the way to full.
Her and the cleric laugh and laugh.
:-)
L E
Give soulbinder a million HP. Make them like a 75 level Wizard and give
them the ability to summon a 70th level dragon as their pet who attacks the
person and party that agroed soulbinded. Then once their threat is
eliminated the dragon goes back into the abys and all the newbies in the
area can clean out their shorts.
Oh. And each person in party that agroed Soulbinded upon their death will
lose one item of equipment that is random. Got to love that punk ass 60
warrior in group that loses his epic weapon.
Just my two cents.
"Annie M. Benson-Lennaman" <annie...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Robert
<jere...@shell.inch.com> wrote:
You have forced me to rethink. How about a random spot midway between
the surface and the floor of the ocean and facing a random direction,
including possibly down? Modify swimming so that PAGE UP can actually
bring you all the way back to swimming deeper. Add that when a
Soulbinder kills you, you always respawn with rez effects until you
complete a quest for them to restore your normal binding ability.
TwoHead
> You have forced me to rethink. How about a random spot midway between
> the surface and the floor of the ocean and facing a random direction,
> including possibly down? Modify swimming so that PAGE UP can actually
> bring you all the way back to swimming deeper. Add that when a
> Soulbinder kills you, you always respawn with rez effects until you
> complete a quest for them to restore your normal binding ability.
The solution you seek is the one I posted last week (or was that the
week before, they all look alike). The exact center of The Grey. Even
a lizard is gonna have a dang hard time holding his breath all the way
to a zone line after respawning with neither buffs nor items.
th
Dan Day
wrote:
>
>Cleric and warrior...cleric starts to cast complete heal...
>
>Norrath spires begin to cast a spell...
>
>Warrior hits Scion for 22, 54,3...
>
>Scion hits warrior for 1791, 345, 352...
>
>Complete heal lands....
>
>All parties ported up...
>
>I zone fast, and see Onee pop into the Nexus with about
>-4 billion hitpoints, at which point WHILE SHE'S STILL
>ZONING, her hps climb all the way to full.
ROFL! Sounds like the kind of thing I'd try
(once), just to see if I could pull it off.
I've been tempted to buff my 55 Paladin up to full HP/AC,
then try to land a hit on the Scion *just* before the
portal whisks me away. Why? For the sheer challenge
of trying to time it well enough to survive the
experience.
Aaron Sherman
[... talk of killing a Scion ...]
> Mobs that hit multiple times in one round
> for more than 2500 damage at a pop are
> not killable. That's twenty-five hundred
> damage x 3 or x 4. Not even the uberist
> of uber guilds have warriors with 10,000
> hps.
Ok, first the obvious answer: what about kiting?
The obvious response is a) the scion is probably very mr (if not
immune to root/snare) and b) they may have some range attack as well.
Dunno. Never seen anyone try to kite a scion. Would be interesting to
see what druid epic plus a couple of winged deaths would do....
Mark A. Rimer
news:eaa2c627.02011...@posting.google.com...
I'll have to go along with that. The only caster I have is
a naked 48 wizard with Tboots. I guess I could try
to Nuke kite him. Lemme get Ice Comet first, though.
:-)
Adam Russell
Wouldn't scions have summon?
Mark A. Rimer
news:a29fc5$vihg3$1...@ID-122512.news.dfncis.de...
> Wouldn't scions have summon?
That's what the folks thought about the boss of Sanctus
Seru, too.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Med.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Med.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Med.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Med.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Med.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Nuke.
Med.
Nuke.
Loot.
:-)
Sure, it was an "exploit." Whatever. If they forgot to give him the
ability to
summon and he couldn't path up to the roof by magical teleport like level
30 mobs in Kunark do, I wouldn't really consider that an exploit.
:-)
David Navarro
> "Adam Russell" <adamr...@directvinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:a29fc5$vihg3$1...@ID-122512.news.dfncis.de...
>> Wouldn't scions have summon?
>
> That's what the folks thought about the boss of Sanctus
> Seru, too.
> Med.
> Nuke.
> Loot.
>
> :-)
>
> Sure, it was an "exploit." Whatever. If they forgot to give him the
> ability to
> summon and he couldn't path up to the roof by magical teleport like
> level 30 mobs in Kunark do, I wouldn't really consider that an exploit.
> :-)
Doh. They have killed Inquisitor Seru already? What did he drop? =)
I thought he was supposed to be the *uber* mob of Luclin.
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Dan Day
>
>Doh. They have killed Inquisitor Seru already? What did he drop? =)
>
>I thought he was supposed to be the *uber* mob of Luclin.
Heh -- you're going to love this one...
People are *supposed* to figure out how to get into
the Inquisitor's room via the locked doors (presumably
through some key quest) before they tackle him.
But the people that killed him bypassed the locks and went up
and over the wall and come down through a hole in the ceiling.
It took 45 minutes(!) to kill the guy. And when they did,
they looted:
"Cuirass of Sad Exploitation" ("Cuirass" is a fancy
name for a breastplate) which had NEGATIVE 99 to
ALL stats, resists, modifiers, AC, you name it.
And:
I forget the name, but some sword with INCREDIBLE
stats, best ever seen in the game, but flagged None/None
for allowable race/class.
ROFL!
Gosh do ya think Verant saw that coming and designed
a way to give the finger to anyone who killed the
Inquisitor *without* coming in the locked door?
(Presumably, triggering the doors the "right" way will
cause the Inquisitor to respawn with his "good" stuff.)
The game designers are starting to get clever. :-)
David Navarro
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:12:08 +0000, David Navarro <da...@alcaudon.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>Doh. They have killed Inquisitor Seru already? What did he drop? =)
>>
>>I thought he was supposed to be the *uber* mob of Luclin.
>
> Heh -- you're going to love this one...
>
[mv * /dev/null]
> Gosh do ya think Verant saw that coming and designed
> a way to give the finger to anyone who killed the
> Inquisitor *without* coming in the locked door?
> (Presumably, triggering the doors the "right" way will
> cause the Inquisitor to respawn with his "good" stuff.)
>
> The game designers are starting to get clever. :-)
You were right, I *love* it. =)
Sean Kennedy
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Of course, a mage can mem Summon Waterstone and cast it before
he starts drowning :)