Rogue Pickpocketing
Lars
I can't seem to find any information on Pickpocketing.
I went to my guild, and I don't see a skill to practice...when I click on my
ability buttons I don't see that option.
Help!
Thanks
Lars
TeddySalad
The Pickpocket option has to be listed as a choice via the training menu
at the guild. Even if it is not available to you at your current level, you
should still see it.
TS
Lars <La...@misc.org> wrote in message
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Lars
I will go back to my guild and look again thanks.
Lars
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Shortest Barbarian On The Block
- Save up 20-25 training points and when you hit level six (the leve you get
pp), drop them all into it. This will GREATLY decrease the length of time you
continuously fail at pickpocketing.
- Practice, practice, practice! In combat is best IMO. (See below.)
- Hotkey it and use it during combat. My melee on/off key is my numberpad 0
key, and in combat, when my pp key lights up, I hit melee off, pp, melee on,
all in the space of less than one second. I don't miss a beat, and it lets me
practice while I'm fighting. It's a nice way to siphon some coin off of those
dirty bastage orcs too. :)
- At low levels, you're going to get mostly, if not entirely, coin. (In fact,
that's all I've gotten.) How much will be relative to how much the mob usually
drops. ie: I can get a few silver or up to 50 copper per successful pp off an
orc raider, but have yet to get a thing off of a giant scarab. On the other
hand, I've heard of people sucessfully pping a sand giant for 3 plat.
- I've not yet gotten to this level, but as you get higher, you'll be able to
pp items off of mobs. There was a post in here a while ago where someone said
he got D'Vinn's heart via pp. :D
- If you pp an item off a mob, that WILL affect loot. If you pp coin off a
mob, that WILL NOT affect loot; it comes from a randomized pool. (I've sat
there and pp'd on an orc raider for twenty minutes to get some coin and gotten
a few gold's worth of copper and siliver--and when was the last time you saw an
orc raider dropping gold?)
- In PvP, you *can* pp other players. But you *must* be PvP to pp other PC's,
and they, too, must be PvP.
- And finally... Never pp anything (or anyone) you're not ready, willing and
able to kill. ;) Once in a while as you try to pp, you *will* get
notice--successful or not--and as soon as that happens, you're going to get
attacked. Um... Trust me on this one. ;D
Kay "Murissa Sandwhisper hits YOU for 72 points of damage" Anders
Bruisedest Barbarian On The Block
"How many good omens involve things that come out of a chicken's butt?"
--Dogbert
"One is all that's needed." --Dilbert
Kayne
14th level on two different servers.
> - Save up 20-25 training points and when you hit level six (the leve you
get
>pp), drop them all into it. This will GREATLY decrease the length of time
you
>continuously fail at pickpocketing.
I wholeheartedly disagree with this. Pickpocket does NOT take that long to
increase. I believe those practice points are far to valuable for a rogue
to dump them into something that is so easily increased without them. If
you are a very impatient person you may wish to follow this advice, however,
the price will be a shortage of points to dump into something else down the
road (like backstab, that goes up very very slowly on it's own). It does
take a while to build up to your first level cap since when you first get
the skill it is at skill level 7 and it caps at 35. So, as I say, if you
are terribly impatient then follow this advice, otherwise cap the skill on
your own with one of the techniques described below.
What I do is each time I move up a level I attack a orc pawn, pixie
trickster, goblin whelp, or some other very weak (1st or 2nd level) bi-pedal
creature. Attack the creature once and turn auto-attack off. Then stand
there and pickpocket the creature until your skill is maxed. You will heal
faster than these creatures can harm you, so you won't be in danger. Do
this each time you gain a level. You only need to increase it 5 points. In
fact while I'm doing this, I also increase my sneak, hide (these null out
when a creature hits you, but the level 1 MoBs miss you enough that you get
plenty of practices with these skills), sense traps (useless skill, but it
still increases), sense heading and other such.
> - Practice, practice, practice! In combat is best IMO. (See below.)
> - Hotkey it and use it during combat. My melee on/off key is my numberpad
0
>key, and in combat, when my pp key lights up, I hit melee off, pp, melee
on,
>all in the space of less than one second. I don't miss a beat, and it lets
me
>practice while I'm fighting. It's a nice way to siphon some coin off of
those
>dirty bastage orcs too. :)
Agreed. Another very good way to practice.
> - At low levels, you're going to get mostly, if not entirely, coin. (In
fact,
>that's all I've gotten.) How much will be relative to how much the mob
usually
>drops. ie: I can get a few silver or up to 50 copper per successful pp
off an
>orc raider, but have yet to get a thing off of a giant scarab. On the
other
>hand, I've heard of people sucessfully pping a sand giant for 3 plat.
Certain types of creatures can not be pickpocketed. None of the arachnid
series can. Nor, I believe, can undead. At least skeletons can't. Nor can
animals - lions and tigers and bears, oh my. From my experience it seems
that only creatures who are not undead and who carry actual coin (in
addition to possible items) can be pickpocketed. For example wisps can be.
I once got a lightstone off of one. Personally I think they should be
considered undead, but I digress. <shrug>
> - I've not yet gotten to this level, but as you get higher, you'll be able
to
>pp items off of mobs. There was a post in here a while ago where someone
said
>he got D'Vinn's heart via pp. :D
That is correct. Among other things, I have gotten Tergon's spellbook off
the prophet in crushbone, a lightstone off a wisp, lots of scalps off of orc
pawns and gnoll pups during practice.
> - If you pp an item off a mob, that WILL affect loot. If you pp coin off
a
>mob, that WILL NOT affect loot; it comes from a randomized pool. (I've sat
>there and pp'd on an orc raider for twenty minutes to get some coin and
gotten
>a few gold's worth of copper and siliver--and when was the last time you
saw an
>orc raider dropping gold?)
This is something that is forever in debate, and as adament as this person
is about what he believes, you will find others who are as adament about
their opposite opinions. From my own personal experience I believe it all
affects loot. The reason I say this is that through my own experimentation,
if I spend a great deal of time pickpocketing a creature (ie. a low level
mob) until I am no longer succesful in getting anything off him, anything at
all, then kill it and loot it, it invariably has 1 cp and no items. I say
again, invariably. Try it, but be prepared to spend 45 minutes or more per
mob. Note that this requires a great deal of time to do in order to be sure
the creature is picked "clean" however the length of time will decrease as
you go up in level because the chances of succesful picks increases, so if
you want to experiment this way then wait until you are slightly higher
level.
> - In PvP, you *can* pp other players. But you *must* be PvP to pp other
PC's,
>and they, too, must be PvP.
Again, unless this is a very recent change, this is NOT correct. I created
my second rogue on Rallos Zek specifically because I wanted to pickpocket
other players. When I got to 7th level I realized that I couldn't. The
message you receive simply indicates failure, leading you to believe that it
is "possible", however after a vast many attempts between levels 7 and 14 I
got quite discouraged. I had a fellow player of similar level allow me to
attempt to pick his pockets while he was AFK, after over an hour of trying I
began asking around. Apprantly, according to the very high level rogues to
whom I spoke, rogues could, at one time, pick the pocket of other players
(as was stated, both players had to be PvP. Which, on rallos zek, all
players are PvP). There was a big fuss made about it and this ability was
taken away from us. The fact that the message was never changed accordingly
is simply indicitive of the utter lack of attention that is given to the
rogue class by Verant (the reason I no longer play either of my rogues, but
now have a 22nd level druid and a 5th level enchanter).
> - And finally... Never pp anything (or anyone) you're not ready, willing
and
>able to kill. ;) Once in a while as you try to pp, you *will* get
>notice--successful or not--and as soon as that happens, you're going to get
>attacked. Um... Trust me on this one. ;D
Agreed. Or at least make sure you are close enough to the zone that you can
get away. As far as PPing giants. Your chances of success, it seems, are
greatly influenced by your respective levels (that of you and your intended
victim). I am never able to succesfully pickpocket a red. I died quite a
few times trying to pick pocket the fishbone earring off of the barbarian
fisherman. He catches me quickly and I never succede in getting anything
off of him.
Yue Cho
Shortest Barbarian On The Block wrote in message
<19991013153504...@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Some pickpocketing tips...
>
> - Save up 20-25 training points and when you hit level six (the leve you
get
>pp), drop them all into it. This will GREATLY decrease the length of time
you
>continuously fail at pickpocketing.
>
I thought rogue got Pickpoket at level 10. Maybe I'm wrong
Arondos
one shot so far was 25pp. Normally I use Oasis, if they get mad at me, i can
lead them to the middle of the nro zone where normally there's noone, and shout
like mad if you are dragging one somewhere. I routinely get gold and plat off
stuff. Items I've gotten. Squad ring from a halfling guard, dented or ruined
helm from a freeport guard (quest item), FS weapon from a SG, merchant, guard.
Sands of Ro from a Sg, anyone know what it is for? Flame of Vox, words, runes,
pages, scalps from all kinds of stuff, goblin ears in high keep. Keep
practicing Pick Pocket it pays off at higher levels.
In article <19991013153504...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
kaya...@aol.comRathe says...
>
>Some pickpocketing tips...
>
> - Save up 20-25 training points and when you hit level six (the leve you get
>pp), drop them all into it. This will GREATLY decrease the length of time you
>continuously fail at pickpocketing.
>
> - Practice, practice, practice! In combat is best IMO. (See below.)
>
> - Hotkey it and use it during combat. My melee on/off key is my numberpad 0
>key, and in combat, when my pp key lights up, I hit melee off, pp, melee on,
>all in the space of less than one second. I don't miss a beat, and it lets me
>practice while I'm fighting. It's a nice way to siphon some coin off of those
>dirty bastage orcs too. :)
>
> - At low levels, you're going to get mostly, if not entirely, coin. (In
fact,
>that's all I've gotten.) How much will be relative to how much the mob
usually
>drops. ie: I can get a few silver or up to 50 copper per successful pp off
an
>orc raider, but have yet to get a thing off of a giant scarab. On the other
>hand, I've heard of people sucessfully pping a sand giant for 3 plat.
>
> - I've not yet gotten to this level, but as you get higher, you'll be able to
>pp items off of mobs. There was a post in here a while ago where someone said
>he got D'Vinn's heart via pp. :D
>
> - If you pp an item off a mob, that WILL affect loot. If you pp coin off a
>mob, that WILL NOT affect loot; it comes from a randomized pool. (I've sat
>there and pp'd on an orc raider for twenty minutes to get some coin and gotten
>a few gold's worth of copper and siliver--and when was the last time you saw
an
>orc raider dropping gold?)
>
> - In PvP, you *can* pp other players. But you *must* be PvP to pp other
PC's,
>and they, too, must be PvP.
>
> - And finally... Never pp anything (or anyone) you're not ready, willing and
>able to kill. ;) Once in a while as you try to pp, you *will* get
>notice--successful or not--and as soon as that happens, you're going to get
>attacked. Um... Trust me on this one. ;D
>
Marcus Stafford
Yue Cho wrote:
> Shortest Barbarian On The Block wrote in message
> <19991013153504...@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
> >Some pickpocketing tips...
> >
> > - Save up 20-25 training points and when you hit level six (the leve you
> get
> >pp), drop them all into it. This will GREATLY decrease the length of time
> you
> >continuously fail at pickpocketing.
> >
>
> I thought rogue got Pickpoket at level 10. Maybe I'm wrong
I think it is actually level 7. Backstab is level 10, I think. But the rest of
the person's advice is not very good, either... DO NOT spend all those practice
points on pickpocket... it is very wasteful. You will want those practices
later on for poison or backstab (or Instill Doubt, if it wasn't worthless).
Only train one point into pickpocket, then go find a VERY green humanoid
creature (bixie, pixie, ork pawn, etc.) and hit him only once. While he tries
in vain to hit you back, just keep pickpocketing. Your skill will be maxed in
no time.
Matt Frisch
The Block) scribed into the ether:
>Some pickpocketing tips...
>
> - Save up 20-25 training points and when you hit level six (the leve you get
>pp), drop them all into it. This will GREATLY decrease the length of time you
>continuously fail at pickpocketing.
And a waste of practice points, which at that level are needed for other
things. I put 1 point into it, and never looked back. Had the skill maxxed
for the level inside of an hour, and it doesn't take me more than 5 minutes
to max it with each new level now. Every fight I get I will usually get 2-3
attempts to pickpocket, and that skyrockets the skill. I invest my
practices elsewhere (like in backstab, which is nigh impossible to raise).
> - Hotkey it and use it during combat. My melee on/off key is my numberpad 0
>key, and in combat, when my pp key lights up, I hit melee off, pp, melee on,
>all in the space of less than one second. I don't miss a beat, and it lets me
>practice while I'm fighting. It's a nice way to siphon some coin off of those
>dirty bastage orcs too. :)
And lets you aproximately double the money intake of anyone else in your
group (As long as you fight mobs that qualify..skeletons (maybe all
undead), and animals can't be picked).
> - At low levels, you're going to get mostly, if not entirely, coin. (In fact,
>that's all I've gotten.) How much will be relative to how much the mob usually
>drops. ie: I can get a few silver or up to 50 copper per successful pp off an
>orc raider, but have yet to get a thing off of a giant scarab. On the other
>hand, I've heard of people sucessfully pping a sand giant for 3 plat.
The amount of coin your get is based on what the mob itself loads. I haunt
blackburrow frequently (barb rogue), and I find that when I pick a gold off
a "standard" gnoll, it will *always* be carrying a gold in its final loot.
Having a regular gnoll with that much money is pretty rare, so it stands
out when it happens, and it happens EVERY TIME. Now, mobs are also infused
(at blackburrow levels) with vast amounts of copper...picking 50-70 copper
off a scrawny is commonplace. Its a ton of weight, but all the coin adds up
to a lot of platinum in a hurry. People are amazed that I had my rogue
decked out in full banded by level 9 just through pickpocket gains (on
brell server, so not like fennin ro where people hand out plate mail :)).
> - I've not yet gotten to this level, but as you get higher, you'll be able to
>pp items off of mobs. There was a post in here a while ago where someone said
>he got D'Vinn's heart via pp. :D
Doesn't take much of a level..I think I was pulling gnoll fur off scrawnies
at level 7. Sometimes you get bandages, small gemstones (lapis lazuli,
malachite), body parts..which is just wierd, once I even pickpocketed a
bronze long sword off an elite guard...that had to be a one-in-a-million
shot.
> - If you pp an item off a mob, that WILL affect loot. If you pp coin off a
>mob, that WILL NOT affect loot; it comes from a randomized pool. (I've sat
>there and pp'd on an orc raider for twenty minutes to get some coin and gotten
>a few gold's worth of copper and siliver--and when was the last time you saw an
>orc raider dropping gold?)
I have noticed that if I steal a gnoll fang off a gnoll, that it won't have
one in the body, but for other items, it doesn't seem to affect the
appearance of extras. Maybe the basic rarity of the fang just means I've
never had a pickpocket and a loot yield one.
I did hear someone say they picked an item off a mob, and had the same item
load in the body.
Fomar
news:38070a37.53907713@news...
> And a waste of practice points, which at that level are needed for other
> things. I put 1 point into it, and never looked back. Had the skill maxxed
> for the level inside of an hour, and it doesn't take me more than 5
minutes
> to max it with each new level now. Every fight I get I will usually get
2-3
> attempts to pickpocket, and that skyrockets the skill. I invest my
> practices elsewhere (like in backstab, which is nigh impossible to raise).
Wholeheartedly agree. Don't spend alot of practice points on this (I think I
used 5). If you really want to raise it fast and all at once go attack a
green then stop fighting while he hits on you. Then just keep pickpocketing.
I did this when I first got the skill just to max it that first time.
Afterwards I never had a tough time keeping it up just by using it in
combat.
> And lets you aproximately double the money intake of anyone else in your
> group
Yes this is defintely true. I found the skill rather lacking from a money
stand point at first but fun because you tend to get runes and words galor.
Fun to pass out after the fight :) However now I usually leave Sol B with
15 to 20 more plat than the rest of my party. And that is not after sorting
my silvers and coppers at the bank. Sure I still pick alot of that from
Kobolds etc but I destroy it. So that extra plat is purely from plat and
gold picked. Pretty nice :)
> I have noticed that if I steal a gnoll fang off a gnoll, that it won't
have
> one in the body, but for other items, it doesn't seem to affect the
> appearance of extras. Maybe the basic rarity of the fang just means I've
> never had a pickpocket and a loot yield one.
The way I understand it is this. Pickpocketing coin does not effect loot.
Pickpocketing a "normal" weapon or item does not either. Stealing a unique
item, or what not, does effect it and the creature will not have that on
them when looted. So care should be taken that you don't steal that No Drop
item, unless of course that was your goal from the start ..... ;) Also there
are some things you simply can't steal. Don't know what governs that though.