Hill Giants, Invisiibility, & Aggression (Not a rant on NERFs, DoTs, Classes, Brad, Verant, etc... just a question.)
Drac
giants and griffs would ignore invis people but I heard at one point they
were seeing through it so can't say for absolute certainty on that point.
Sadil
Zeroman wrote in message ...
>Hill Giants, Invisibility, & Aggression
>
> I'm a 5th level Erudite enchanter and I wanted to try out my
>Invisibility spell. I cast invis on myself (Was this spell at one time
>castable on others? Unlike minor shielding I have to click on myself and
>then cast ~ it does allow me to click on someone else and then cast, even
>gives the graphic stuff happening on the other player but doesn't actually
>work.) and start the long (very long without SoW) run from Qeynos to
>Freeport. I am conning MOBs and NPCs along the way to study their
reactions.
>I get to North Karanas and I see Hill Giants and Griffons (a lot of
>Griffons) and con them... I stop in horror as I read the words ".. Scowl at
>you and are ready to attack.." (or something like that). These are the
first
>MOBs, NPCs, etc. that I have come across during my trip that con this way.
I
>didn't feeling like dying out in the middle of nowhere and losing a ton of
>xp, so I turned around and went back.
>
>My questions;
>
> When a creature cons that way to me (...scowls... ready to attack...) ,
>while I'm invis, does it mean they can see/sense me?
>
> Can some creatures 'see invisible' ? Are Hill Giants and Griffons some
of
>them?
>
>Thanks for any input...
>
>Zeroman
>
>
>
>
>
Zeroman
Gresh
>
> When a creature cons that way to me (...scowls... ready to attack...) ,
>while I'm invis, does it mean they can see/sense me?
Yes.
> Can some creatures 'see invisible' ? Are Hill Giants and Griffons some of
>them?
Yes. Well, HIll Giants yes (actually all giant types), Griffons No,
as best i can recall.
Most Undead higher than regular skeletons naturally see invisible as
well.
In some dungeons, the shaman and wizard type caster mobs cast see
invisible on themselves AND on other mobs in the dungeon ...
Gresh
Qualm, Barbarian Shaman, E'ci
Mark Lagace
have buffed themselves with see invis - evil eyes come to mind) can see
invis creatures. I don't know why, but some creatures con ready to
attack, but I've walked right through them invis with no problem. If
you con crag spiders in the east karanas (non-invis) they con ready to
attack. Do they? No. It makes it difficult to judge whether you are
safe or not.
About casting invis on others, it's a group only spell like bind
affinity. Safe journeys to Freeport.
Mark.
Bearil
Unrest and the skellies and even the Hags go to Indifferent /con.
Not all of them do, so you still have to /con everything.
Marc Fuller
>
>
> My questions;
>
> When a creature cons that way to me (...scowls... ready to attack...) ,
> while I'm invis, does it mean they can see/sense me?
>
> them?
>
>
> Zeroman
I'm fairly (but not totally) certain that Hill Giants won't actually attack you
if you're invisible, but I usually go out of my way to avoid them anyway. I
never know when the spell is going to wear off. However, almost none of the
normal "outside" animals seem to be able to See Invisible, even Griffons.
Again, I still avoid them.
The other thing, is that at 5th level, you aren't going to lose a ton of
experience. I don't think the exp loss is even detectable until 6th level. You
will have to go back and fecth your corpse though.
Marc Fuller
Scott Hetherington
>> When a creature cons that way to me (...scowls... ready to attack...)
,
>> while I'm invis, does it mean they can see/sense me?
>>
>> Can some creatures 'see invisible' ? Are Hill Giants and Griffons some
of
>> them?
Here's the skinny: when you're invis, and something cons as a "scowl" or
"glare" or anything but "indifferent", then that creature can see invis.
Most undead creatures can see invis, with the noted exception of the ghoul.
Among the many useful things that cannot see invis are: the guard in most
citites, and vendors. Griff's and giants, i can't give the word on, since i
haven't had the pleasure of coming across one while invis.
Saracen / Rgak
Tarew Marr
John M Clancy
Zeroman <ke...@starlink.com> wrote in message
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> Hill Giants, Invisibility, & Aggression
>
> I'm a 5th level Erudite enchanter and I wanted to try out my
> Invisibility spell. I cast invis on myself (Was this spell at one time
> castable on others? Unlike minor shielding I have to click on myself and
> then cast ~ it does allow me to click on someone else and then cast, even
> gives the graphic stuff happening on the other player but doesn't actually
> work.) and start the long (very long without SoW) run from Qeynos to
> Freeport. I am conning MOBs and NPCs along the way to study their
reactions.
> I get to North Karanas and I see Hill Giants and Griffons (a lot of
> Griffons) and con them... I stop in horror as I read the words ".. Scowl
at
> you and are ready to attack.." (or something like that). These are the
first
> MOBs, NPCs, etc. that I have come across during my trip that con this way.
I
> didn't feeling like dying out in the middle of nowhere and losing a ton of
> xp, so I turned around and went back.
>
> My questions;
>
> while I'm invis, does it mean they can see/sense me?
Not neccessarily. I have sat down and meditated right in a hill
giants path with camouflage(Druid invisibility) and he walked
right over me. This is still vary dangerous because invisibility
and camouflage have random durations so you never know
when they will wear off.
> Can some creatures 'see invisible' ? Are Hill Giants and Griffons some
of
> them?
Hill giants and Griffons can not.
I my experience High level undead and spell casters can see thru it.
Basically, I stay away from any undead bigger than a mummy.
Spectres can definitely see invisible. Also, there is a Necromancer
in the sewers under Qeynos that can DEFINITELY see invisible. 8-)
Marc Fuller
>
> I usually con things from a distance, then go invisible, and if the con has
> changed to indifferent then that creature probably cant see me. Seems to work
> for me.
> Another tip, if you dont already do it, cast strength & haze on your pet as well
> as yourself, it helps a bit and if someone casts SOW or levitate on you, ask
> them nicely to do the same for your pet, or it may not be able to keep up and
> follow you.
>
I can say from experience, Levitate does not appear to work on pets. On the
test server, they are changing it so that spells that add HPs will no longer
work on pets, meaning that most armoring buffs will no longer work. I'm not
entirely certain that SoW has any effect on pets, but my Magician rarely bothers
to get SoW, so I'm not sure.
Marc Fuller
Mark Withers
changed to indifferent then that creature probably cant see me. Seems to work
for me.
Another tip, if you dont already do it, cast strength & haze on your pet as well
as yourself, it helps a bit and if someone casts SOW or levitate on you, ask
them nicely to do the same for your pet, or it may not be able to keep up and
follow you.
Zeroman wrote:
> Hill Giants, Invisibility, & Aggression
>
> I'm a 5th level Erudite enchanter and I wanted to try out my
> Invisibility spell. I cast invis on myself (Was this spell at one time
> castable on others? Unlike minor shielding I have to click on myself and
> then cast ~ it does allow me to click on someone else and then cast, even
> gives the graphic stuff happening on the other player but doesn't actually
> work.) and start the long (very long without SoW) run from Qeynos to
> Freeport. I am conning MOBs and NPCs along the way to study their reactions.
> I get to North Karanas and I see Hill Giants and Griffons (a lot of
> Griffons) and con them... I stop in horror as I read the words ".. Scowl at
> you and are ready to attack.." (or something like that). These are the first
> MOBs, NPCs, etc. that I have come across during my trip that con this way. I
> didn't feeling like dying out in the middle of nowhere and losing a ton of
> xp, so I turned around and went back.
>
> My questions;
>
> When a creature cons that way to me (...scowls... ready to attack...) ,
> while I'm invis, does it mean they can see/sense me?
>
> Can some creatures 'see invisible' ? Are Hill Giants and Griffons some of
> them?
>
> Thanks for any input...
>
> Zeroman
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Level 14
Gnome Enchanter
Brell Serilis
Peavy420
next to me without attacking
Olivier Bucaille
-if a creature is other than indifferent to you when you are invisible,
then this creature CAN see you.
-Hill Giants AND Sand Giants CAN see people made invisible through the
4th level Enchanter spell.
-Griffins CANNOT see people made invisible through the 4th level
Enchanter spell. Although Griffins have been known to leave some people
untouched even though they can see them and don't like them.
-ALL undeads but the Ghouls CAN see people made invisible through the
4th level Enchanter spell (which makes me wonder if Ghouls are
considered undead in EQ. Does other undead-only spells affect them ?).
You need a specific spell to be invisible to undeads.
But decaying skeletons are not inherently aggressive, so you may not see
the difference with them.
Olivier Bucaille
line if your post is not related, because the sensible readers have
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Brent Burkholder
Olivier Bucaille wrote in message <37EF14E5...@renault.com>...
>I will give you facts -painfully- verified through my Gnome Enchanter :
>
>-if a creature is other than indifferent to you when you are invisible,
>then this creature CAN see you.
>
>-Hill Giants AND Sand Giants CAN see people made invisible through the
>4th level Enchanter spell.
>
Funny, I've walked through a Hill Giant's legs without him stomping me. He
was just in a particularly good mood that day?
David Schrank
once but its the cleanest way to escape if you can take the hit, plus making
people crack up watching is great.
Yiltu the Gnome
of exp at level 5.
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Exibar
he didn't see me....
Paul V
someone with a pet or the pet will go suicidal (guess it can't live
without seeingthe owner)
As for Hill Giants seeing invis...I've been killed by one while invis
but the invis could have worn off and be a coincidense. Other times
I've had Sang Giants step over me in Oasis while invisible. Personally
it wouldn't make sense if a Hill Giant could see invisible since they
aren't casters (except for certain Ice Giants).
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