Resist Gear for Raids
The Ogre Knight
there's Fire, Cold, Poison, Disease, and Magic.... I need some kind of
idea which I'll need most and what I'll need them for.
Magic: My guess is I'll need this set for resisting charm and root.
Fire: Naggy
Cold: Vox
Poison: Trak?
Disease: ?
If anyone can fill in some details that'd be great... What raids
require more than one focus on resists?
Thanks in advance.
Gash
The Ogre Knight
Matt Frisch
scribed into the ether:
>I'm trying to put together resist gear for future raids. Given that
>there's Fire, Cold, Poison, Disease, and Magic.... I need some kind of
>idea which I'll need most and what I'll need them for.
>
>Magic: My guess is I'll need this set for resisting charm and root.
If you are talking about dragon raids, I don't know of any that charm. The
big problem here is FEAR. Feared players are no help (and frequently hurt,
since they cannot be healed, and your cleric may spend a ton of mana trying
to fruitlessly heal you), and fears are the primary reason that most dragon
raids fail.
>Fire: Naggy
Faydedar,Talendor, many in WW/ToV.
>Cold: Vox
Gorenaire, many in WW/ToV...I'm pretty sure that yelinak is also a cold
user.
>Poison: Trak?
Trakanon, Severilous, some in WW/ToV
>Disease: ?
Hoshkar in VP, some in WW/ToV.
>If anyone can fill in some details that'd be great... What raids
>require more than one focus on resists?
I'd say that fire is probably the most important. Of the 3 elemental
resists that people need, it is the most difficult to obtain (there are
several items that provide 20+ cold resist...relatively few give the same
level of fire). Cold is next most important, then poison, and then disease
(which is almost totally unimportant, due to the rarity of creatures that
use this resist type...the problem arises when you DO need it, disease
resist items are few, far between, and provide low levels of resistance).
Poison is fairly low priority, cause there are several good items to raise
the resistance, and unlike all other types, there are 2 stackable resist
spells available to buff it up with (talisman of shadoo, and DMF). Even
with meager gear, you can spell-buff your way to a 150 pretty easily.
The best resist item you can find is the froglok crown (ac12,
fire/cold+20). Either camp the king for one yourself, or buy one.
The dragons I have fought have mostly just needed one resistance. Naggy
Vox, Faydedar and (from what I hear, I've never been), a lot of the temple
of veeshan all require magic+element. Maybe in veeshan's peak too...I don't
know much about that place.
Western waste dragons only use the one resist type (there is one near the
entrance to ToV that has a poison and disease breath attack, so there are
exceptions everywhere)...none of the ones that people normally fight have
any fear attacks (Klandicar and Sontalak may...never fought either one).
Drawback is that there is a huge cross-section of resist types here. A full
load of blue diamond (except the tiara...a froglok crown will serve better)
is really nice to have for the huge cross-section of resists it provides.
Having to swap out a half dozen pieces for every different dragon gets
tiresome with remarkable quickness.
All that being said, the best resistance you can get comes from LEVELS. A
level 60 with 100 resist will take a fraction of the damage from an AE that
a level 55 with 175 will take. If you have a dragon raid coming up, and the
choice between camping a +20 resist item, and getting a level in the
intervening time frame, the level wins every time.
Dream King
>If you are talking about dragon raids, I don't know of any that charm. The
>big problem here is FEAR. Feared players are no help (and frequently hurt,
>since they cannot be healed, and your cleric may spend a ton of mana trying
>to fruitlessly heal you), and fears are the primary reason that most dragon
>raids fail.
One or two in Veeshans Peak I think. Forgot which one(s).. For the
most part though you don't need to worry about charm. Fear does stink
though. I hate being Dragon Feared.
>>Fire: Naggy
>
>Faydedar,Talendor, many in WW/ToV.
>
>>Cold: Vox
>
>Gorenaire, many in WW/ToV...I'm pretty sure that yelinak is also a cold
>user.
>
>>Poison: Trak?
>
>Trakanon, Severilous, some in WW/ToV
>
>>Disease: ?
>
>Hoshkar in VP, some in WW/ToV.
Klandicar. Or Zlandicar. Whichever is in DN I can never remember.
>>If anyone can fill in some details that'd be great... What raids
>>require more than one focus on resists?
>
>I'd say that fire is probably the most important. Of the 3 elemental
>resists that people need, it is the most difficult to obtain (there are
>several items that provide 20+ cold resist...relatively few give the same
>level of fire). Cold is next most important, then poison, and then disease
>(which is almost totally unimportant, due to the rarity of creatures that
>use this resist type...the problem arises when you DO need it, disease
>resist items are few, far between, and provide low levels of resistance).
>
>Poison is fairly low priority, cause there are several good items to raise
>the resistance, and unlike all other types, there are 2 stackable resist
>spells available to buff it up with (talisman of shadoo, and DMF). Even
>with meager gear, you can spell-buff your way to a 150 pretty easily.
>
>The best resist item you can find is the froglok crown (ac12,
>fire/cold+20). Either camp the king for one yourself, or buy one.
Vrown of King tranix is good on the MR side. +20
>The dragons I have fought have mostly just needed one resistance. Naggy
>Vox, Faydedar and (from what I hear, I've never been), a lot of the temple
>of veeshan all require magic+element. Maybe in veeshan's peak too...I don't
>know much about that place.
It's good to have to but I'd put the focus on MR over elemental resist.
Obviously both are preferred but if you have to skimp on one to get the
other, I'd say always go with MR.
>Western waste dragons only use the one resist type (there is one near the
>entrance to ToV that has a poison and disease breath attack, so there are
>exceptions everywhere)...none of the ones that people normally fight have
>any fear attacks (Klandicar and Sontalak may...never fought either one).
>Drawback is that there is a huge cross-section of resist types here. A full
>load of blue diamond (except the tiara...a froglok crown will serve better)
>is really nice to have for the huge cross-section of resists it provides.
>Having to swap out a half dozen pieces for every different dragon gets
>tiresome with remarkable quickness.
I don't remember any of the dragons in WW fearing. Klandicar does I
think, actually. Not sure about Sont since I didn't last long.
>All that being said, the best resistance you can get comes from LEVELS. A
>level 60 with 100 resist will take a fraction of the damage from an AE that
>a level 55 with 175 will take. If you have a dragon raid coming up, and the
>choice between camping a +20 resist item, and getting a level in the
>intervening time frame, the level wins every time.
Good advice. A lot of people overlook this.
From my experience I'd rank resistance gear in the following order:
Magic
Fire
Cold
Disease
Poison
There's probably more Poison based dragons than Disease but as you
said, PR is pretty easy to get up especially with DMF available.
The Ogre Knight
Gash
The Ogre Knight
Matt Frisch
into the ether:
>matu...@yahoo.spam.me.not.com (Matt Frisch) wrote:
>
>>If you are talking about dragon raids, I don't know of any that charm. The
>>big problem here is FEAR. Feared players are no help (and frequently hurt,
>>since they cannot be healed, and your cleric may spend a ton of mana trying
>>to fruitlessly heal you), and fears are the primary reason that most dragon
>>raids fail.
>
> One or two in Veeshans Peak I think. Forgot which one(s)..
I know that Phara Dar does an AE mez...and that is pretty bad (but you can
get around it). Charm would be just brutal tho...too brutal, really. A
single charmed person can wipe out a whole group when fighting EEs or
whatever...imagine if a third of your raid suddenly turns on the
rest...with a big dragon still alive hitting as well.
>>Hoshkar in VP, some in WW/ToV.
>
> Klandicar. Or Zlandicar. Whichever is in DN I can never remember.
Zland...forgot about him. Not a good target for most folks, on most servers
(as far as I know) he is heavily farmed for ST key pieces. So is klandicar.
>>The best resist item you can find is the froglok crown (ac12,
>>fire/cold+20). Either camp the king for one yourself, or buy one.
>
> Vrown of King tranix is good on the MR side. +20
Ah, but the tranix crown is obscenely rare, and usually awarded to a monk
when it drops, who are not likely to let it go.
>>The dragons I have fought have mostly just needed one resistance. Naggy
>>Vox, Faydedar and (from what I hear, I've never been), a lot of the temple
>>of veeshan all require magic+element. Maybe in veeshan's peak too...I don't
>>know much about that place.
>
> It's good to have to but I'd put the focus on MR over elemental resist.
>Obviously both are preferred but if you have to skimp on one to get the
>other, I'd say always go with MR.
I phrased that poorly. By one resist I meant say...fire and disease, or
poison and cold...magic is seperate. The only dragons where you can skimp
out on the magic resist is in the west wastes. All the others need heavy
MR.
Sang K. Choe
>matu...@yahoo.spam.me.not.com (Matt Frisch) wrote:
>
>>If you are talking about dragon raids, I don't know of any that charm. The
>>big problem here is FEAR. Feared players are no help (and frequently hurt,
>>since they cannot be healed, and your cleric may spend a ton of mana trying
>>to fruitlessly heal you), and fears are the primary reason that most dragon
>>raids fail.
Almost all dragons charm or has the potential to charm.
Not all dragons fear. Infact, I think only a handful fear: All three
outdoor Kunark dragons, Naggy/Vox, Whoashit, Klandicar, and Zlandicar.
> One or two in Veeshans Peak I think. Forgot which one(s).. For the
>most part though you don't need to worry about charm. Fear does stink
>though. I hate being Dragon Feared.
Fear is weak.
Any MR over 190 will resist Fear easily (unless it's Gorenaire fear in
which case you can be level 60 with 350 MR and still get feared across
the damn zone...not broken my ass). Tonight's Klandicar kill, with MR
at 224, I didn't even bother dropping SoW because I knew I would
resist fear reliably (or if I get feared, only for a second or two).
>>>Disease: ?
>>
>>Hoshkar in VP, some in WW/ToV.
>
> Klandicar. Or Zlandicar. Whichever is in DN I can never remember.
Zlandicar.
Disease AoE isn't that dangerous.
What makes Hoshkar a real freaking pain isn't the damage, it's the
turgur effect from the disease AoE. When your meleers lose about 70%
of their damage output from being slowed, that dragon suddenly becomes
a HUGE pain in the ass.
Go and check out every dragon in the game, the ones which prove to be
the most annoying are generally those that has an AoE slow of some
sort.
>>The best resist item you can find is the froglok crown (ac12,
>>fire/cold+20). Either camp the king for one yourself, or buy one.
>
> Vrown of King tranix is good on the MR side. +20
Crown of Rile: AC16, 20 WIS/INT/STR, 75hps/mana, 25 vs poison/magic.
:-)
>>The dragons I have fought have mostly just needed one resistance. Naggy
>>Vox, Faydedar and (from what I hear, I've never been), a lot of the temple
>>of veeshan all require magic+element. Maybe in veeshan's peak too...I don't
>>know much about that place.
>
> It's good to have to but I'd put the focus on MR over elemental resist.
>Obviously both are preferred but if you have to skimp on one to get the
>other, I'd say always go with MR.
In VP, yes.
In ToV, no.
ToV practically everything is using cold/fire AoEs. So far, from what
I've seen nothing in ToV fears. There are some VERY freaking annoying
dragons whose AoE can be rather devastating in ToV North which is
magic checked, but if you plan on doing West wing, fire/cold is all
you really need.
>>Western waste dragons only use the one resist type (there is one near the
>>entrance to ToV that has a poison and disease breath attack, so there are
>>exceptions everywhere)...
Huh???
There's something like 50 named dragons in WW. Their AoE range from
freaking unresistable 400 cold based AoE, to fire, AoE silence, AoE
fear, etc...
Which WW dragon are you referring to?
>>none of the ones that people normally fight have
>>any fear attacks (Klandicar and Sontalak may...never fought either one).
Klandicar fears.
Sontalak just turns you in to a messy goo real fast.
> I don't remember any of the dragons in WW fearing. Klandicar does I
>think, actually. Not sure about Sont since I didn't last long.
Sontalak doesn't have to fear. He'll just flurry on you and proc his
nuke on you 8 times in a row leaving a smoking pile of dead whatever.
> From my experience I'd rank resistance gear in the following order:
>
>Magic
>Fire
>Cold
>Disease
>Poison
No specific order.
My guild's is now under a new requirement. If you plan on being in
ToV, you're gonna need a minimum of 150 MR/CR/FR *UNBUFFED*. Anyone
not meeting that minimum is asked to leave since I'm not having
healers waste their mana on people who consistently take full damage
from AoEs which they SHOULD be resisting.
> There's probably more Poison based dragons than Disease but as you
>said, PR is pretty easy to get up especially with DMF available.
Nope, not in my experience.
Infact, the poison checked dragons are generally the weakest of the
bunch. Trakanon, Sev, and Whoashit, all doable with 24 or less.
-- Sang.
Sang K. Choe
Frisch) wrote:
>> One or two in Veeshans Peak I think. Forgot which one(s)..
>
>I know that Phara Dar does an AE mez...and that is pretty bad (but you can
>get around it).
There's no "getting around it".
It's not an AoE mez, it's a stun--12 second stun with a 900hp DD
attached to it. Annoying, but the only way to "get around it" is to
just jack up your MR and resist it.
Our main problem with PD isn't the stun, it's not even her stupidly
chain casting complete heal (record is letting her get off 5 CH and
chasing her around VP), it's her gating.
Gating dragons can absolutely blow me.
>Charm would be just brutal tho...too brutal, really. A
>single charmed person can wipe out a whole group when fighting EEs or
>whatever...imagine if a third of your raid suddenly turns on the
>rest...with a big dragon still alive hitting as well.
Dragons usually can get one charm off before they are getting the beat
down. I think I've only had one person charmed at a time from various
dragons we've killed.
-- Sang.
Matt Frisch
Choe) scribed into the ether:
>On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 13:46:19 GMT, morp...@cent.com (Dream King)
>wrote:
>
>>matu...@yahoo.spam.me.not.com (Matt Frisch) wrote:
>>
>>>If you are talking about dragon raids, I don't know of any that charm. The
>>>big problem here is FEAR. Feared players are no help (and frequently hurt,
>>>since they cannot be healed, and your cleric may spend a ton of mana trying
>>>to fruitlessly heal you), and fears are the primary reason that most dragon
>>>raids fail.
>
>Almost all dragons charm or has the potential to charm.
Strange, I've never seen nor heard of it.
>Not all dragons fear. Infact, I think only a handful fear: All three
>outdoor Kunark dragons, Naggy/Vox, Whoashit, Klandicar, and Zlandicar.
My shaman, for whatever reason, seems to be immune to dragon fear. The only
dragon that has ever successfully feared me is the spawned version of
Faydedar. I've gone on 18-20 raids against naggy/vox/kunark dragons, and
even with really pathetic MR, I have never been feared.
>>>>Disease: ?
>>>
>>>Hoshkar in VP, some in WW/ToV.
>>
>> Klandicar. Or Zlandicar. Whichever is in DN I can never remember.
>
>Zlandicar.
>Disease AoE isn't that dangerous.
>What makes Hoshkar a real freaking pain isn't the damage, it's the
>turgur effect from the disease AoE. When your meleers lose about 70%
>of their damage output from being slowed, that dragon suddenly becomes
>a HUGE pain in the ass.
That and the gating :)
>>>The best resist item you can find is the froglok crown (ac12,
>>>fire/cold+20). Either camp the king for one yourself, or buy one.
>>
>> Vrown of King tranix is good on the MR side. +20
>
>Crown of Rile: AC16, 20 WIS/INT/STR, 75hps/mana, 25 vs poison/magic.
If you are killing phara dar, then you don't need much advice on resist
gear :)
>>>Western waste dragons only use the one resist type (there is one near the
>>>entrance to ToV that has a poison and disease breath attack, so there are
>>>exceptions everywhere)...
>
>There's something like 50 named dragons in WW. Their AoE range from
>freaking unresistable 400 cold based AoE, to fire, AoE silence, AoE
>fear, etc...
I mean any one individual dragon only requires a single resist. The raids I
have been there, magic resist seemed to be entirely pointless. Fire/Cold
are the big ones, but there are enough poison/disease users to pay
attention to.
>Which WW dragon are you referring to?
He is one of the ToV "guard line" dragons...facing into ToV, he is on the
right side, the second one over (I think, it has been a while) from
sontalak. Definately has 2 different AEs...one is straight damage, the
other is a DoT.
Matt Frisch
Choe) scribed into the ether:
>On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 21:28:26 GMT, matu...@yahoo.spam.me.not.com (Matt
>Frisch) wrote:
>
>>> One or two in Veeshans Peak I think. Forgot which one(s)..
>>
>>I know that Phara Dar does an AE mez...and that is pretty bad (but you can
>>get around it).
>
>There's no "getting around it".
>It's not an AoE mez, it's a stun--12 second stun with a 900hp DD
>attached to it. Annoying, but the only way to "get around it" is to
>just jack up your MR and resist it.
Hmm, I had read a strategy on that one where you cast sicken or some other
gimpy dot on yourself before going in, and the damage from the dot would
break the mez. Odd.
Sang K. Choe
Frisch) wrote:
>Hmm, I had read a strategy on that one where you cast sicken or some other
>gimpy dot on yourself before going in, and the damage from the dot would
>break the mez. Odd.
Nope.
Doesn't work, wouldn't recommend it infact.
Stun Breath (the name of the spell she uses) is an AoE version of the
same thing that Zlandicar procs when he slaps you. 900hps DD and 12
seconds of standing around looking really stupid not able to do
anything.
Generally with an MR of over 220 at level 60, you can resist most of
her AoEs--about 1 in 4 will get through.
-- Sang.
Sang K. Choe
Frisch) wrote:
>>There's something like 50 named dragons in WW. Their AoE range from
>>freaking unresistable 400 cold based AoE, to fire, AoE silence, AoE
>>fear, etc...
>
>I mean any one individual dragon only requires a single resist.
No, not quite.
Even the non-uber dragons can require multiple resists. For example,
there are some dragons that have either fire or cold based AoEs with
debuffs, but even worse than this is they can proc Chaos Breath on
you. It's a single target proc that does 1200+hps and tosses you like
gravity flux. This is I believe magic checked.
Of course the uber dragons have multiple "special" abilities.
Sontalak for example will fear, but even worse than his fear is his
fire based attacks, especially the fire nuke procs given that he
freaking flurries ALL the time.
>>Which WW dragon are you referring to?
>
>He is one of the ToV "guard line" dragons...facing into ToV, he is on the
>right side, the second one over (I think, it has been a while) from
>sontalak. Definately has 2 different AEs...one is straight damage, the
>other is a DoT.
Sontalak is a first brood. He's a tough mother. I would recommend a
LOT of AC/hps.
The other dragons, Ionat, Entriaz, Dru-I'm-a-dark-blue-dragon-that's
not-visible-when-it's-foggy-but-I-see-invis, etc...range from fire,
cold and magic.
Ionat's AoE is Mes Breath. AoE silence. Sucks much ass if you're a
caster. If you're a meleer, it's pretty funny how fast you can kill
this dragon. Sort of a gimpier version of Xygoz...if you can ever get
a gimper dragon than Xygoz.
-- Sang.
Matt Frisch
Choe) scribed into the ether:
>On Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:16:11 GMT, matu...@yahoo.spam.me.not.com (Matt
>Frisch) wrote:
>
>Of course the uber dragons have multiple "special" abilities.
>Sontalak for example will fear, but even worse than his fear is his
>fire based attacks, especially the fire nuke procs given that he
>freaking flurries ALL the time.
Well, sontalak is hardly a normal mob to be killing when you are raiding in
WW. I doubt he's been killed on most servers at all. I know he hasn't on
mine (never even been tried).
>>>Which WW dragon are you referring to?
>>
>>He is one of the ToV "guard line" dragons...facing into ToV, he is on the
>>right side, the second one over (I think, it has been a while) from
>>sontalak. Definately has 2 different AEs...one is straight damage, the
>>other is a DoT.
>
>Sontalak is a first brood. He's a tough mother. I would recommend a
>LOT of AC/hps.
>
>The other dragons, Ionat, Entriaz, Dru-I'm-a-dark-blue-dragon-that's
>not-visible-when-it's-foggy-but-I-see-invis, etc...range from fire,
>cold and magic.
There are 6 of 'em.
>Ionat's AoE is Mes Breath. AoE silence. Sucks much ass if you're a
>caster. If you're a meleer, it's pretty funny how fast you can kill
>this dragon. Sort of a gimpier version of Xygoz...if you can ever get
>a gimper dragon than Xygoz.
Hmm, I've fought Ionat a lot, and I don't think he ever mezzed me. He is
fairly easy if you stack 15 buffs on yourself, cause then he is constantly
dispelling his own silence. Doing him with 2 and a half groups (which we
did a lot) is not really the way I would recommend. Just not enough
firepower to reliably bring him down...we'd lose a couple people every
time. Wouldn't have any other fatalities unless we were fighting another
valley dragon, and Jen Sapara showed up at the end (he has a real knack for
it) and started doing his single target 1500 pt grav flux on us. I hate
that guy.
Dream King
>Doesn't work, wouldn't recommend it infact.
>Stun Breath (the name of the spell she uses) is an AoE version of the
>same thing that Zlandicar procs when he slaps you. 900hps DD and 12
>seconds of standing around looking really stupid not able to do
>anything.
>
>Generally with an MR of over 220 at level 60, you can resist most of
>her AoEs--about 1 in 4 will get through.
I recently had 250MR (and level 60) when we fought Phara Dar last. I
didn't resist a stun. Most of us didn't. Talk about unlucky save rolls.
Rez please!