Can someone post the EQ Macro program?
Zeppo
Since it is no longer available for download from the site,
it would be greatly appreciated if anyone who has this, could upload
it.
Thanks.
Dark Tyger
Anyone who posts it here would get flamed so fast they wouldn't know
what hit them, not to mention the nice little notes forwarded to their
ISPs for posting binaries here. Read the title of the group. Do you
see ".binaries" anywhere? GUESS WHAT DOESN'T BELONG HERE!
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Dan Harmon
"Zeppo" <Ma...@Bros.com> wrote in message
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EQ Macros is a cheater program. If you want to cheat go back to Doom or
Solitaire.
QuakeBum
liked about the program is a in game map, compass, and the ability to view
website inside the game (very usefull if you need a quike reference)
"Dan Harmon" <deha...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Zeppo
Take a midol and chill.
Just a little less stress will do you good.
It's just a game.
Zeppo
Go ahead and complain to my ISP.
It is Netzero.
I will have a new account in minutes.
Thanks.
On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:22:41 GMT, dark...@mindspring.com (Dark
Tyger) wrote:
Dark Tyger
>Geez,
>Take a midol and chill.
>Just a little less stress will do you good.
>It's just a game.
Who said anything about the game? I'm talking about this newsgroup.
Hell yeah, posting a binary here will receive hostile reaction. It's
not a binary newsgroup.
Dark Tyger
>It is Netzero.
*snicker* You have my sympathy... Or is that pity?
Lokari
>Geez,
>Take a midol and chill.
>Just a little less stress will do you good.
>It's just a game.
If it's "just a game", then why not *play* it, instead of cheating
your way through it?
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"No one of consequence"
Eric Harding
>it wouldnt be a cheat if the author took out the macro, the feature i really
>liked about the program is a in game map, compass, and the ability to view
>website inside the game (very usefull if you need a quike reference)
>"Dan Harmon" <deha...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>news:tEYL5.10053$Pw6.6...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
The compass and map are a cheat. Besides, if you want that much of a heads
up display, go play Asheron's Call.
Eric
Zeppo
They shut the guy down that was distributing it.
All of you people can cuss me out and call me cheater all you want.
It really does not bother me any.
In fact I have gotten quite a few good laughs from all of this.
Everyone gets so worked up about this.
You know, the best way to make this go away is not
to even reply to posts you find offensive.
Then it will stop popping back up and getting more
people to read it and get offended.
On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:45:56 -0600, Lokari <lok...@mediaone.net>
wrote:
>dgr...@hotmail.com (Zeppo) wrote:
>
>>Hell, just email it to me.
>
>Are you familiar with the concept of a search engine? Do your own
>legwork, cheater.
Zeppo
I saw a posting in here about people talking about this program, and
it so happened that earlier I was talking with a friend about how cool
it would be to just be able to have my character fish for me while I
was gone to the bathroom, or getting something to eat.
I never really read all through the site to find out what all the
program did, I just saw that it would do repetitive tasks like
sense heading and fishing and the like.
I did not know about the compass, online browser, and ultravison
cheats until others started talking about it.
On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:42:13 -0600, Lokari <lok...@mediaone.net>
wrote:
>ze...@godisdead.com (Zeppo) wrote:
>
>>And to think, all this started just because I wanted
>>to bring my fishing skill up.
>
>Sure, like you want EQ Macros for fishing. Right.
Zeppo
On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:47:29 -0600, Lokari <lok...@mediaone.net>
wrote:
>"Dan" <dut...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>>>>And to think, all this started just because I wanted
>>>>to bring my fishing skill up.
>
>>> Sure, like you want EQ Macros for fishing. Right.
>
>>And what exactly gave you the psychic ability to determine if he wants to
>>bring up his fishing skill or not?
>
>Huh? What are you talking about? No psychic ability was involved - I
>just read the posts here.
Busker
Sense ... cheat
2) Map - mildest of bunch since it could be printed but if it's realtime
and tracks ... cheat
3) Nightvision - gives vision to normally night-blind chars ... cheat
4) Web Browser - access to info not available to other players in-game ...
cheat
5) Macros - macroing of lines and mouse(!) WAY beyond that inteded for
players ... cheat
Did I miss any?
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Master Smith (115), Brewer (63), Tailor (36), Lush (115)
Taoan, Brother of the 10th Sash, Kitchen Boy (75), Fisher (45), Honourable
Beggar (16)
Buskerion, Ranger of the 2nd Season (Fletcher, 51)
Druzzil Ro
Mmck
>4) Web Browser - access to info not available to other players in-game ...
>cheat
I dont agree.
I have 3 computers on a network - so I can look up a site on one of
these - why not let me do it on my own screen.
The main arguements against would be:
- that it is 'the vision' to sit and look at a spell book or the
scenery for long periods
- that it would distract from encouraging in game discussion
- that it would mean lack of attention and risk to other charactors in
the group
I can see these points but they dont persuade me that I shouldn't be
able to do something else - I'll bet lots of people read books while
playing and it has not ruined the game
McK
Joe D
> 4) Web Browser - access to info not available to other players in-game ...
> cheat
> Did I miss any?
So I'm cheating when I pull up a browser on my second computer?
Joe D
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Busker
in their home? The number of people in general are growing, but it's still
fairly small.
I'm not whining about my disposible income, but I sure as hell can't afford
to have a second computer in my home. So, I would classify those with a
second (or third!) as being "advantaged" in this sense, yes.
Cheating? You make the call for yourself, but when one person's situation
makes it possible for them to have real-time access (non-printed) to
information not available to the character next to him/her then, in *my*
opinion (flame on!), that's cheating. You've got the resources for a second
computer? Great! Go read your hotmail. Don't look up the quest that you
forgot to research before starting the game.
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Master Smith (115), Brewer (63), Tailor (36), Lush (115)
Taoan, Brother of the 10th Sash, Kitchen Boy (82), Fisher (55), Honourable
Beggar (19)
Buskerion, Ranger of the 2nd Season (Fletcher, 51)
Druzzil Ro
<Mmck> wrote in message news:3a013109....@news.m.iinet.net.au...
Mmck
>opinion (flame on!), that's cheating. You've got the resources for a second
>computer? Great! Go read your hotmail. Don't look up the quest that you
>forgot to research before starting the game.
Actually that was (partially) my point -
Yes I am fortunate to have more than one computer (not all who play
the game are young - I have had 15 computers over the last 20 years so
its nots surprising I have a spare for using for browsing).
Yes a browser could be used to pull up game information;
but I have other uses for it - some of my 'real life work' is done via
email and online database searches on Medline - so why no let me do
that.
Are the other reasons that I gave enough?
ie
Is is reasonable to use the boring medding and healing time to force
players to interact?
(I'm interested in a discussion here - I am not trying to disagree
with you specifically - I can see both sides of this arguement.
Besides - if it is cheating to look at a spoiler site in real time; is
it not cheating to have looked it up before?
McK
Goober
URL will do
"Busker" <busker...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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Jeremy Music
>Do you guys really believe that the majority of players have two computers
>in their home?
Yes. In my guild, with the usual random sampling of people you get in a
guild, the number of people with two computers is greater than the number
without. I know of quite a few people that have gotten a second computer
_because_ of Everquest locking down their first computer. I know it
affected the placement of my computers.
>I'm not whining about my disposible income, but I sure as hell can't afford
>to have a second computer in my home. So, I would classify those with a
>second (or third!) as being "advantaged" in this sense, yes.
You afforded one. Someday you will want a better system. You will then be
able to afford one. In spite of never being able to afford two computers,
you end up owning two computers. Common scenario in this age of forced
obsolescence.
>Cheating? You make the call for yourself, but when one person's situation
>makes it possible for them to have real-time access (non-printed) to
>information not available to the character next to him/her then, in *my*
>opinion (flame on!), that's cheating. You've got the resources for a second
>computer? Great! Go read your hotmail. Don't look up the quest that you
>forgot to research before starting the game.
Just as I don't feel bad for getting silky smooth framerates in Warslik's
Woods while everyone else drops to 3 frames per second, I also don't feel
bad for having a second computer to look stuff up on. I can't even begin to
feel that it is a cheat that I have better or more computers than someone
else.
J
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Buster
To others it is opportunistic. If you have the resources to allow you to
get ahead of someone else there is nothing wrong with using those resources.
It happens everyday.
Maybe some people's idea of "playing the game" is trying to do everything
you can to exploit the game as much as possible. Although I am not one of
them, to some people this is considered fun.
"Lokari" <lok...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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Dark Tyger
<Colnel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>To some it is cheating.
>To others it is opportunistic.
Those others are simply justifying their actions and only fooling
themselves. Anything that breaks out of the rules of the game to give
on an advantage not intended by the design of the game is cheating.
By strict definition, even printout maps and quest spoilers are
"cheating". However, many of the features in EQMacros go WAY beyond
"acceptable levels": Nightvision for races not designed to have it,
compass, in-game map (especially if it shows current location and/or
acts as a HUD display), many of the macro features.
Buster
to run then that is their fault. If someone is good enough to figure out
how to enhance their ability to play the game then good for them. If they
have the talent to actually act on what they have figured out then I would
say they are pretty opportunistic.
"Dark Tyger" <dark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Dark Tyger
<Colnel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I would say that if the design of the game allows for a program like EQMacro
>to run then that is their fault. If someone is good enough to figure out
>how to enhance their ability to play the game then good for them. If they
>have the talent to actually act on what they have figured out then I would
>say they are pretty opportunistic.
Bullshit. *NO* game has ever been designed that is impossible to
cheat. There is *NO* justification for this type of cheating, no
matter what you cover it up as. Cheating like this is low, and any
slimebag who does it deserves to be banned, period. Frankly, the
author deserves to have his ass sued, if such is possible (And I
honestly beleive a good lawyer could make it so).
Buster
"Dark Tyger" <dark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Dan Harmon
"Goober" <javam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wow, did I say Wow way cool where do I get it, post image if you got it
but
> URL will do
Your name fits.
StarkRaving
re...@darkstar.qx.net (Jeremy Music) wrote:
> Just as I don't feel bad for getting silky smooth framerates in
> Warslik's Woods while everyone else drops to 3 frames per second,
What are your system specifications?
StarkRaving
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they that gives them the most joy. As long as its doesn't directly affect
other players (KS, Training mobs, ect)
"Buster" <Colnel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Dan Harmon
> Its a game !!!!!!!!!!!! That people play and they should play it any way
> they that gives them the most joy. As long as its doesn't directly affect
> other players (KS, Training mobs, ect
It's a game. A game with rules. One of the main ones is that you aren't
allowed to cheat. EQ Macros is a cheat program. If you want to play a game
that allows cheating (some would say encourages it) play Doom or one of its
decendents.
By tossing aside rules you're not only disrespecting the game, you're
disrespecting me.
Dark Tyger
<Colnel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Typical american attitude.
What, good sportsmanship is an exclusively "American" attitude?
Funny how you turn this into a "nationalistic slur" rather than debate
the issue.
Buster
attitude that has allowed serial killers and rapists to get off with a slap
on the hand so they can go back into the communities and rape and kill
again.
As far as the issue is concerned...I applaude the person who had the talent
and resources to write EQ Macro...for those who want to use it...go right
ahead...for those who don't want to use it...good for you...you will
probably be playing the game alot longer than those who use it...for the
simple fact that you play for fun not to "level and loot"...in the end you
don't really know if someone is using EQ Macro or not...so in game it really
is not an issue...
"Dark Tyger" <dark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Jeff Lanham
> I would say that if the design of the game allows for a program like EQMacro
> to run then that is their fault. If someone is good enough to figure out
> how to enhance their ability to play the game then good for them. If they
> have the talent to actually act on what they have figured out then I would
> say they are pretty opportunistic.
>
So you would say the same of D.B. Cooper?
Jeff Lanham
> they that gives them the most joy. As long as its doesn't directly affect
> other players (KS, Training mobs, ect)
So if you and I are playing cards, and I figure a way to cheat, you wouldn't
mind? I mean, it doesn't effect your cards in hand or your game play if I figure
out how to give myself a few extra aces, right?
Dark Tyger
<Colnel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>No...the sue the guy comment is typical american...it is the sue happy
>attitude that has allowed serial killers and rapists to get off with a slap
>on the hand so they can go back into the communities and rape and kill
>again.
How is suing someone who's walked on your IP rights in any way an
"attitude that has allowed serial killers and rapists to get off with
a slap on the hand...."? Quit blowing smoke...
Jeremy Music
>In article <slrn902vt...@darkstar.qx.net>,
> re...@darkstar.qx.net (Jeremy Music) wrote:
>
>> Just as I don't feel bad for getting silky smooth framerates in
>> Warslik's Woods while everyone else drops to 3 frames per second,
>
>What are your system specifications?
On my game system:
1 ghz
784 megs
V5 5500 AGP
ATA 66 - 60 gig
50 True-x
no-name Aureal
Buster
frivolous suits. Something happens that you don't like...SUE SUE SUE...
"Dark Tyger" <dark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Dark Tyger
wrote:
>On my game system:
>
>1 ghz
>784 megs
>V5 5500 AGP
>ATA 66 - 60 gig
>50 True-x
>no-name Aureal
*Sticks his tongue out* I hate you. ;-)
Dark Tyger
<Colnel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Because you and your litigous friends are clogging the judicial system with
>frivolous suits. Something happens that you don't like...SUE SUE SUE...
Don't be stupid. Civil suits in no way interfere with totally
unrelated criminal cases. Learn the American legal system before
bashing people about it.
I hardly call violation of IP rights that causes unrest among one's
customers "frivolous", anyway. Suing Wal-Mart because you tripped over
their bright yellow curb when you were yacking on your cel phone
rather than watching where you were going, that's frivolous.
Jeff Lanham
> No...the sue the guy comment is typical american...it is the sue happy
> attitude that has allowed serial killers and rapists to get off with a slap
> on the hand so they can go back into the communities and rape and kill
> again.
> As far as the issue is concerned...I applaude the person who had the talent
> and resources to write EQ Macro...for those who want to use it...go right
> ahead...for those who don't want to use it...good for you...you will
> probably be playing the game alot longer than those who use it...for the
> simple fact that you play for fun not to "level and loot"...in the end you
> don't really know if someone is using EQ Macro or not...so in game it really
> is not an issue...
It may not overtly effect game play, but it does give them an advantage over
the players that choose to abide by the rules.
These people (the eqmacro users, et al.) agree to not cheat when they play
the game, but they do anyway. That makes them liars. They willingly
cheat the system to there own advantage. That makes them cheaters. SO no
matter how clever they are, they are still lying and cheating. I don't feel
bad for disliking those types of people.
If someone figures out how to rob a bank and gets away with it, they are
still at criminal. They fact that they stole the money really effect the banks
customers, does it? I mean the money is insured, right? We can still
access our money. We can still pay our bills and buy food. Now the criminal
has given himself an unfair financial advantage the no one else has. Still doesn't
effect the you or I right?
Yes I know it's only a game and that robbing a bank is real world stuff. But
the principal is the same. A person or group of persons chooses to disregard
the rules for there own gain. No real effect on the system, but still wrong.
Dark Tyger
<moc.liamtoh@pmiptneregilleb> wrote:
>Hey! Dark Tyger is FARFARFAR from a typical American! He is,
>however, a typical jerk.
...this from a guy with "pimp" in his nickname...
MadBomma®
> Do you guys really believe that the majority of players have two computers
> in their home? The number of people in general are growing, but it's
still
> fairly small.
> I'm not whining about my disposible income, but I sure as hell can't
afford
> to have a second computer in my home. So, I would classify those with a
> second (or third!) as being "advantaged" in this sense, yes.
Three computers with workstations.. and a laptop sitting here next to me.
That makes four. I read a lot of stuff on the laptop during downtime.
> Cheating? You make the call for yourself, but when one person's situation
> makes it possible for them to have real-time access (non-printed) to
> information not available to the character next to him/her then, in *my*
> opinion (flame on!), that's cheating. You've got the resources for a
second
> computer? Great! Go read your hotmail. Don't look up the quest that you
> forgot to research before starting the game.
I do read my hotmail.. along with all sorts of sites regarding smithing,
maps, trade skills, spells, etc.
Neener! I guess I am a cheater then. So what? I am also a twink if that
matters. I guess you can call me a cheating twink now. Not that I care.
MadBomma®
<Mmck> wrote in message news:3a017c7b....@news.m.iinet.net.au...
> "Busker" <busker...@flashmail.com> wrote:
>
> >opinion (flame on!), that's cheating. You've got the resources for a
second
> >computer? Great! Go read your hotmail. Don't look up the quest that you
> >forgot to research before starting the game.
>
> Actually that was (partially) my point -
> Yes I am fortunate to have more than one computer (not all who play
> the game are young - I have had 15 computers over the last 20 years so
> its nots surprising I have a spare for using for browsing).
>
> Yes a browser could be used to pull up game information;
>
> but I have other uses for it - some of my 'real life work' is done via
> email and online database searches on Medline - so why no let me do
> that.
>
> Are the other reasons that I gave enough?
> ie
> Is is reasonable to use the boring medding and healing time to force
> players to interact?
I agree, I don't think I should be forced to sit and stare at a static
screen either. That stupid spell book is the bane of EQ IMO. Plus, I
usually solo and there isn't much to interact with when doing that. I was
soloing today in The Overthere and there were only three other players in
the zone. Two were far too high for me to group with and the third was too
low. I could have twiddled my thumbs for a while, but I chose to read about
blacksmithing instead.
Dan
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:22:27 -0700, "Buster"
> <Colnel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >No...the sue the guy comment is typical american...it is the sue happy
> >attitude that has allowed serial killers and rapists to get off with a
slap
> >on the hand so they can go back into the communities and rape and kill
> >again.
>
> How is suing someone who's walked on your IP rights in any way an
> "attitude that has allowed serial killers and rapists to get off with
> a slap on the hand...."? Quit blowing smoke...
Explain how they are walking on IP rights. Years ago, Galoob created a
cheat device called the Game Genie for the NES. It allowed invincibility
and many other cheats. Nintendo took Galoob to court and lost the case. It
appears that the courts don't veiw "cheat" devices as breaking any IP
rights.
Dan
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:38:16 -0700, "Buster"
> <Colnel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Because you and your litigous friends are clogging the judicial system
with
> >frivolous suits. Something happens that you don't like...SUE SUE SUE...
>
> Don't be stupid. Civil suits in no way interfere with totally
> unrelated criminal cases. Learn the American legal system before
> bashing people about it.
>
> I hardly call violation of IP rights that causes unrest among one's
> customers "frivolous", anyway. Suing Wal-Mart because you tripped over
> their bright yellow curb when you were yacking on your cel phone
> rather than watching where you were going, that's frivolous.
>
See my previous example about the Game Genie.
Jeremy Music
>
>I agree, I don't think I should be forced to sit and stare at a static
>screen either.
And Verant (Sony) missed the golden opportunity of having a web browser
built into the meditate command, complete with Sony advertisements and set
to bring up the Sony home page when you turn to that part of your spellbook.
I'd take a few ads for that sort of convenience.
Joe D
This is a valid comparison only if you're both playing Solitaire.
Joe D
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Gustaaf van der Stigchel
THough I have to admitt, I always play with a second computer with the
websites for item and quest info.
I don't see this as cheating, but as simply being forgetful. I could have
copied all the info on to paper, but I didn't.
Just my two cents
Ken Andrews
news:slrn9038b...@darkstar.qx.net...
> MadBomma® <madb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >I agree, I don't think I should be forced to sit and stare at a static
> >screen either.
>
> And Verant (Sony) missed the golden opportunity of having a web browser
> built into the meditate command, complete with Sony advertisements and set
> to bring up the Sony home page when you turn to that part of your
spellbook.
>
> I'd take a few ads for that sort of convenience.
Would *definitely* be a bit unfair for Rogues, Warriors, and Monks. No
spellbook, so no browser where they could go to look things up. A caster
gets curious, sits down in a corner, links out to Allakhazam and looks up
the item they're interested in. A Rogue gets curious, but is SOL for a
quick info-hit.
Ken Andrews
> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:34:39 GMT, re...@darkstar.qx.net (Jeremy Music)
> wrote:
>
> >On my game system:
> >
> >1 ghz
> >784 megs
> >V5 5500 AGP
> >ATA 66 - 60 gig
> >50 True-x
> >no-name Aureal
>
> *Sticks his tongue out* I hate you. ;-)
Think I'll join the "Hate Jeremy" club. He's running 784 MB of RAM???
TwoHead
>
> No...the sue the guy comment is typical american...it is the sue happy
> attitude that has allowed serial killers and rapists to get off with a slap
> on the hand so they can go back into the communities and rape and kill
> again.
But they are just being opportunistic if they find a way to abuse the
system and commit more crimes. I thought you applauded that sort of
thing, morals be damned.
th
StarkRaving
re...@darkstar.qx.net (Jeremy Music) wrote:
> StarkRaving <arche...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >In article <slrn902vt...@darkstar.qx.net>,
> > re...@darkstar.qx.net (Jeremy Music) wrote:
> >
> >> Just as I don't feel bad for getting silky smooth framerates in
> >> Warslik's Woods while everyone else drops to 3 frames per second,
> >
> >What are your system specifications?
>
> On my game system:
>
> 1 ghz
> 784 megs
> V5 5500 AGP
> ATA 66 - 60 gig
> 50 True-x
> no-name Aureal
Wow, that makes my system look like... well, what system, really.
By the way, does anyone have any recommendations for a decent flat
screen monitor?
Thanks,
StarkSoonToBeUpgrading
Buster
hope you all get the electric chair for your crimes...thanks for pointing me
in the right direction TwoHead...see twoheads are better than one.
"TwoHead" <t...@2omar2world2.com> wrote in message
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Jeff Lanham
/em applauds for TH.
/shouts in his best tennis ref voice. "Point: TwoHead!"
Do you have to sharpen that tongue or does it come that way?
Now my wife, ....she's got a tongue that can clip hedges.
Dan
wrote:
Now let me preface this with the fact that I totally agree with you -
EQMacros is cheating, pure and simple.
However, a poker game is not REALLY a fair comparison. A poker game is
a WIN/LOSE type of game, i.e. for you to win, someone else has to
lose. EQ is not that type of game.
Ok, I'll shut-up now . :)
Jeremy Music
>"Jeremy Music" <re...@darkstar.qx.net> wrote in message
>news:slrn9038b...@darkstar.qx.net...
>> MadBomma® <madb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >I agree, I don't think I should be forced to sit and stare at a static
>> >screen either.
>>
>> And Verant (Sony) missed the golden opportunity of having a web browser
>> built into the meditate command, complete with Sony advertisements and set
>> to bring up the Sony home page when you turn to that part of your
>spellbook.
>>
>> I'd take a few ads for that sort of convenience.
>
>Would *definitely* be a bit unfair for Rogues, Warriors, and Monks.
Good point. :) I'm sure there would be a way to make it available to the
non-spellcasters if Verant/Sony had the desire to do so.
Lokari
>Oooow, good one, disrespecting you. No really, well done.
It's true, though. By cheating in a game where others are observing
the rules, you are being disrespectful to the honest players.
--
www.enteract.com/~lokari
"No one of consequence"
Lokari
>> So if you and I are playing cards, and I figure a way to cheat, you wouldn't
>> mind? I mean, it doesn't effect your cards in hand or your game play if I figure
>> out how to give myself a few extra aces, right?
>This is a valid comparison only if you're both playing Solitaire.
Not at all - EQ is a multi-player game, with thousands of people
involved. It doesn't compare to a single-player game at all.
Lokari
>Maybe some people's idea of "playing the game" is trying to do everything
>you can to exploit the game as much as possible.
Their idea of "playing the game" is 100% trumped by the rules of the
game, which state "no cheating".
Lokari
>I would say that if the design of the game allows for a program like EQMacro
>to run then that is their fault.
So, the design of my car allows me to run red lights or crush
pedestrians. Does that make it acceptable behavior?
>If someone is good enough to figure out
>how to enhance their ability to play the game then good for them.
You mean "not good enough to be able to cope with a level playing
field".
As in, they're loser scum.
Lokari
>Typical american attitude.
You appear to mean, by this, that non-Americans endorse cheating,
while Americans are all straight-arrow types.
You're wrong on both counts, of course, and to pretend that dislike of
cheating is an issue that has anything to do with national origin
demonstrates a lack of rational thinking.
Day-glow Orange Dragon
busker...@flashmail.com says...
> Cheating? You make the call for yourself, but when one person's situation
> makes it possible for them to have real-time access (non-printed) to
> information not available to the character next to him/her then, in *my*
> computer? Great! Go read your hotmail. Don't look up the quest that you
> forgot to research before starting the game.
ROFLMAO!!! I think it's called "jealousy," not "cheating."
--
Day-glow Orange Dragon
rac...@austin.rr.com
Day-glow Orange Dragon
> By the way, does anyone have any recommendations for a decent flat
> screen monitor?
>
> Thanks,
> StarkSoonToBeUpgrading
>
IMO, a Sony Trinitron is the only way to go, but they usually aren't
cheap.
Buster
nothing to do with cheating...it had to do with the fact that DT said the
guy should be sued.
"Lokari" <lok...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
news:hdd30t8tkd9takh27...@4ax.com...
Jeremy Music
>In article <8ts9qi$esi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, arche...@my-deja.com says...
>> By the way, does anyone have any recommendations for a decent flat
>> screen monitor?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> StarkSoonToBeUpgrading
>>
>
>IMO, a Sony Trinitron is the only way to go, but they usually aren't
>cheap.
"Usually" being the understatement of the year.
I use a 21" no-name monitor for Everquest. I plan on getting a flatscreen
someday, but they have to get bigger _and_ cheaper.
imcg...@my-deja.com
with a server. You're basically stuck untill Ben decides to open
source the project. At which point script kiddies like yourself will
influence Verant to render the program useless. I can't believe some
idiot compared eqmacros to rape or robbing a bank. rediculous.
-- M
In article
<C18C334C44FD2163.F38B04DF...@lp.airnews.net>,
Ma...@Bros.com (Zeppo) wrote:
> Can someone please post the EQ macro program?
> Since it is no longer available for download from the site,
> it would be greatly appreciated if anyone who has this, could upload
> it.
>
> Thanks.
Dan Harmon
"Gustaaf van der Stigchel" <gus...@stigchel.nl.com> wrote in message
news:iwhM5.4218$iF1....@typhoon.bart.nl...
> Oooow, good one, disrespecting you. No really, well done.
Only a mature person would understand why EQ cheaters are disrespecting the
other players. I'll assume your comment was NOT sarcastic.
> THough I have to admitt, I always play with a second computer with the
> websites for item and quest info.
> I don't see this as cheating, but as simply being forgetful. I could have
> copied all the info on to paper, but I didn't.
I don't have issue with ALL of EQ Macros. Looking at a website while
playing the game is hardly cheating...after all, all you need is a 2nd
computer with internet access. As far as I can remember, this is the only
part of EQ Macros that is legit.
Hexdump
<l5d30tc60i0ge7s7u...@4ax.com>:
>Joe D <jo...@cws.org> wrote:
>
>>> So if you and I are playing cards, and I figure a way to cheat, you
>>> wouldn't mind? I mean, it doesn't effect your cards in hand or your
>>> game play if I figure out how to give myself a few extra aces, right?
>
>>This is a valid comparison only if you're both playing Solitaire.
>
>Not at all - EQ is a multi-player game, with thousands of people
>involved. It doesn't compare to a single-player game at all.
True, but in EQ the fact I have Item X doesn't prevent you from also having
Item X. In cards, if you cheat and grab all the aces this prevents me from
getting them. Totally different, that's why Joe specified Solitaire.
FWIW, I don't approve of EQMacros except for maybe the web browser. I do
however like the idea of the nightvison scope. I play characters with
infravision/ultravision and still can't see worth a damn at night. This might
have something to do with my graphics adapter though (RivaTNT card).
James W.
"Buster" <Colnel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I would say that if the design of the game allows for a program like
EQMacro
> to run then that is their fault.
yea! and if the owner of that house didn't want me in it, they should
have installed better locks!
Justify it as you wish. It does not change the fact that it is
cheating. I have nothing against cheaters. I do, however, despise the
overwhelming majority that try to justify it.
--
"Just when I've thought you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep
talking."
~ Hank Hill "King Of The Hill"
James W.
outlawed, it's fair game regardless of the ethics" is more American.
One of the trends in the U.S. today that makes me ashamed to be an
American.
But then I remeber all the other countries we have bailed out of one
war or another, and the feeling goes away. :)
Lokari
>True, but in EQ the fact I have Item X doesn't prevent you from also having
>Item X.
If we are both in competition for that item, your use of a non-game
method (cheater program) would certainly give you an immediate
advantage in getting that item. Considering how some things are very
rare spawns, it's easy to understand why some of us find cheaters to
be such scum.
>In cards, if you cheat and grab all the aces this prevents me from
>getting them. Totally different, that's why Joe specified Solitaire.
It looked to me like Jeff was hypothesizing having a few "extra" aces
stuffed up his sleeve. He stated that it wouldn't affect the other
players' hands.
sl
news:VLgM5.843$QG2.1...@news.uswest.net...
> Because you and your litigous friends are clogging the judicial system
with
> frivolous suits. Something happens that you don't like...SUE SUE SUE...
Actually, it is criminal suits that are "clogging the judicial system."
Check your stats, and you will find that the majority of the justice
system's resources are being used by criminal cases, not civil ones.
Also, I believe that you would be hard pressed to find this number of
"frivolous" suits that you speak of.
In other words, the facts that you base you premise on are wrong; wildy
wrong.
You may be unhappy with the access to the court system enjoyed in America --
you are (at least in America) entitled to hold any opinion that you want.
However, suing people has not, in fact, freed serial killers and rapists.
sl
> "Dark Tyger" <dark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:3a0e960c....@news.mindspring.com...
> > On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:22:27 -0700, "Buster"
> > <Colnel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >No...the sue the guy comment is typical american...it is the sue happy
> > >attitude that has allowed serial killers and rapists to get off with a
> slap
> > >on the hand so they can go back into the communities and rape and kill
> > >again.
> >
> > How is suing someone who's walked on your IP rights in any way an
> > "attitude that has allowed serial killers and rapists to get off with
> > a slap on the hand...."? Quit blowing smoke...
> >
> > --
> > Dark Tyger, railgun-toting, slightly eccentric kitty kat =^..^=
> > Change "Tyger" to "half" to email me.
> >
> > Tallah Wildtyger, 20th level Human Monk | Tanvyn, 16th level DE
> Enchanter
> > Toryn, 7th level Wood Elf bard | Davyn, 8th level DE rogue
> > Rashim, 9th level Halfling Druid | (All on Luclin)
>
>
Dark Tyger
wrote:
>So, the design of my car allows me to run red lights or crush
>pedestrians. Does that make it acceptable behavior?
Careful, the wolves are gonna come down and bash you for an "invalid
analogy" because it's too extreme...
Zeppo
And just to let you know,
Netzero is not my main ISP.
Just the dial up I use when posting in newsgroups.
And to think, all this started just because I wanted
to bring my fishing skill up.
=)
On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:10:15 -0800, bizbee <tub...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
>Yn erthygl
><5850A368EFF6B822.011B4181...@lp.airnews.net>,
>sgrifenws Ma...@Bros.com (Zeppo):
>
>>Oh, I almost forgot:
>>Go ahead and complain to my ISP.
>>It is Netzero.
>>I will have a new account in minutes.
>
>Pay attention to the last four letters in your ISP's name, grow up,
>and <then> get back to us.... if your suckass ISP is working.
>
>Now, post an email address and someone may <send it to you>.
>Geeze.
Zeppo
Anyone have the evaluation program they can upload so I can try it
out?
Thanks again.
=)
Zeppo
Dark Tyger
>Ok, so after all the posts in this thread, the question remains:
>
>Anyone have the evaluation program they can upload so I can try it
>out?
And the answer remains the same: Fuck off, lamer.
BTW, no one talked about reporting YOU to YOUR ISP. They talked about
reporting anyone who posted a binary here to THEIR ISP.
The New "ME"
old enough for a licence.
I say the same for newbies.
Zeppo: Ignore the rude people like Tyger.
Try:
http://www.uorobot.com/eqmacros.htm
Although Frowned upon, just to oppose these unkind people ( DT), ill give it to
ya. Ive never used them but I saw the link on a EQ page.
Dark Tyger
<ema...@meaddress.hereme> wrote:
>Thats nice your a real nice person Tyger. You Ever Speed
Yup. Rarely, though. But do I ask people to help me speed? Nope. Do I
piss and moan if I get caught? Nope.
I thought you said you were done with me, by the way, Taco. You need a
hobby, child.
The New "ME"
And one that giong too slow in you way <IDIOT>
You prolly flash your lights to oncoming traffic warnig them of a Speed trap.
is that assisting?
dont lie were all watching.
LOL
Dark Tyger
<ema...@meaddress.hereme> wrote:
>You prolly flash your lights to oncoming traffic warnig them of a Speed trap.
Nope, honestly never done it before in my life.
The New "ME"
Oh well, I gues it is possible for a person that is realitively helpfull to alot
of EQ'ers in this newsgroup, not ever assist in breaking the law. Good for you.
One question and please answer without foul language or insults.
Why do you have such a mean streak with so many people?
Lokari
>STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS
><snip>
Stop posting inane messages. And learn what a troll is.
Lokari
>And to think, all this started just because I wanted
>to bring my fishing skill up.
Sure, like you want EQ Macros for fishing. Right.
Lokari
>One question and please answer without foul language or insults.
>Why do you have such a mean streak with so many people?
I'll take the liberty of proposing what I consider a likely answer -
DT, like many of the regulars here, has a very limited tolerance for
stupidity. If you were to actually hang around and *read* the
newsgroup a while, you'd notice the pattern - it's very rare for a
legit post to get flamed, but losers get ripped apart.
Lokari
>Hell, just email it to me.
Are you familiar with the concept of a search engine? Do your own
legwork, cheater.
Dark Tyger
wrote:
Sums it up nicely. Also note the pattern that these losers are the
ones that fit the stereotypes of hyperactive, gimmegimme kids (even if
they're adults) that enjoy having their fun at the expense of others.
Hexdump
<n9p30tc25tvv17n5j...@4ax.com>:
>hex...@geocities.com (Hexdump) wrote:
>
>>True, but in EQ the fact I have Item X doesn't prevent you from also
>>having Item X.
>
>If we are both in competition for that item, your use of a non-game
>method (cheater program) would certainly give you an immediate
>advantage in getting that item. Considering how some things are very
>rare spawns, it's easy to understand why some of us find cheaters to
>be such scum.
I see your point, but I don't see how EQMacros would help someone get an item
from a rare spawn faster/easier than anyone else. Not that it really matters.
It's still cheating. Like I said I don't approve of it.
>>In cards, if you cheat and grab all the aces this prevents me from
>>getting them. Totally different, that's why Joe specified Solitaire.
>
>It looked to me like Jeff was hypothesizing having a few "extra" aces
>stuffed up his sleeve. He stated that it wouldn't affect the other
>players' hands.
It could be interpreted either way, but looking at it again you're most likely
right.
Lokari
>He says he wants to use the skill to bring up is fishing, and you decided he
>was lying, I was just wondering how you deduced it, and why you care.
Frankly, I don't give a squat *why* he wants to use EQ Macros. Using
it *is* against the rules of the game, regardless of what he might be
using it for.
As for why I care, if you have to ask then you won't ever understand.
Dan
"Lokari" <lok...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
news:iis50ts7ji1uu9cn8...@4ax.com...
> "Dan" <dut...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> >He says he wants to use the skill to bring up is fishing, and you decided
he
> >was lying, I was just wondering how you deduced it, and why you care.
>
> Frankly, I don't give a squat *why* he wants to use EQ Macros. Using
> it *is* against the rules of the game, regardless of what he might be
> using it for.
>
> As for why I care, if you have to ask then you won't ever understand.
>
Yeah, I don't understand why anyone would care if someone else's fishing or
sense heading was raised by a macro.
TwoHead
As she mentioned, if you have no idea why someone would care, you aren't
likely to understand why its important. Some folks believe its
important to any games integrity that it be played within the rules.
Other folks think part of the game is finding ways to get around the
rules. Those of either camp are not likely to come around to the
other's way of thinking. If I can find a URL for the page I'll post a
link to a great piece of writing which underscores the importance of
rules and abiding by them in gaming, especially on line multiplayer
gaming. Of course I don't expect that to change anyone's opinion.
th
Lokari
>> As for why I care, if you have to ask then you won't ever understand.
>Yeah, I don't understand why anyone would care if someone else's fishing or
>sense heading was raised by a macro.
Yes, I knew you wouldn't.
Tim Smith
>If it's "just a game", then why not *play* it, instead of cheating
>your way through it?
Yeah...next thing you know, people will even be putting up web sites
that tell people how to do tailoring and stuff, so they can cheat,
instead of finding the information in-game, like Verant wants.
--Tim Smith
Tim Smith
>By strict definition, even printout maps and quest spoilers are
>"cheating". However, many of the features in EQMacros go WAY beyond
>"acceptable levels": Nightvision for races not designed to have it,
>compass, in-game map (especially if it shows current location and/or
>acts as a HUD display), many of the macro features.
It's not "real" Nightvision. It doesn't show you anything you wouldn't
see by fiddling with the settings on your monitor, or the gamma settings
for your video. Am I cheating by going into my video card settings
before launching EQ and setting the gamma up?
The compass is cheating.
Given the number of websites with EQ maps available, I don't consider
the EQMacros map cheating at this time. If EQ didn't disable ALT-TAB,
then I'd probably consider the EQMacros map cheating. I'm thinking of
getting the Dragon SDK and writing a program to run on my second
computer to display EQ maps, and allow voice commands. E.g., if I zoned
into Frontier Mountains from Ill Omen, I'd be able to say "zone Frontier
Mountains" and it would show the FM map, and if I did a /loc, I could
then say "loc -400 600" (for example) and have it mark that point on the
map. Would this be cheating? What if I add a feature to watch my
eqlog.txt to catch zoning and /loc commands and tell the program on the
second computer to display a map and mark that location? Is that
cheating?
I'm not sure about the macro features. For macros that are simply
repeating a sequence of commands, I'd say they are not cheating, because
gamepads can do that. Programmable gamepads are a a normal and accepted
part of the Windows gaming platform (hell, *Microsoft* sells them). I
believe EQMacros goes beyond that, and lets you do macros that include
conditional actions based on what happens in the game (detected by
reading eqlog.txt, probably). That's going beyond what a gamepad can
do, so I can see that being cheating. (Yes, I realize Verant considers
programmable gamepads cheating, but I think they are being irrational
there).
I wonder what Verant thinks of the Microsoft Sidewinder Game Voice?
Besides the "talk to your friends while playing" aspect (which Verant
has said is not cheating), it also provides for voice command. I
haven't gotten around to installing it yet, so I don't know if the
commands are limited to simple mappings from voice commands to
keystrokes, or if they built in any macroing.
--Tim Smith
Tim Smith
>Would *definitely* be a bit unfair for Rogues, Warriors, and Monks. No
>spellbook, so no browser where they could go to look things up. A caster
>gets curious, sits down in a corner, links out to Allakhazam and looks up
>the item they're interested in. A Rogue gets curious, but is SOL for a
>quick info-hit.
Well, casters generally have higher int or wis, so they are expected to
have more information. This would be a good way to implement that. :-)
--Tim Smith
Tim Smith
>StarkRaving <arche...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>> Just as I don't feel bad for getting silky smooth framerates in
>>> Warslik's Woods while everyone else drops to 3 frames per second,
>>
>>What are your system specifications?
>
>On my game system:
>
>1 ghz
>784 megs
>V5 5500 AGP
>ATA 66 - 60 gig
>50 True-x
>no-name Aureal
I too get silky smooth framerates in Warslik's, at 800x600. (Also at
1024x768, but I play at 800x600 so the spell book is not too small):
900 MHz Athlon
192 megs
GeForce 2 64MB
SBLive with surround speakers
EQ does make use of the surround speakers by the way, so I've got an
advantage over people with just two speakers. When a mob walks by while
I'm busy in the spell book, I can tell if it is in front or behind. And
no, I don't feel guilty at having this advantage over people with mere
stereo sound. :-)
--Tim Smith
Dan
> ze...@godisdead.com (Zeppo) wrote:
>
> >And to think, all this started just because I wanted
> >to bring my fishing skill up.
>
> Sure, like you want EQ Macros for fishing. Right.
And what exactly gave you the psychic ability to determine if he wants to
bring up his fishing skill or not?
Lokari
>It could be interpreted either way, but looking at it again you're most likely
>right.
Don't you DARE get all reasonable on me - that'll ruin the fun of
arguing!
Lokari
>>>And to think, all this started just because I wanted
>>>to bring my fishing skill up.
>> Sure, like you want EQ Macros for fishing. Right.
>And what exactly gave you the psychic ability to determine if he wants to
>bring up his fishing skill or not?
Huh? What are you talking about? No psychic ability was involved - I
just read the posts here.
Dan
> "Dan" <dut...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> >>>And to think, all this started just because I wanted
> >>>to bring my fishing skill up.
>
> >> Sure, like you want EQ Macros for fishing. Right.
>
> >And what exactly gave you the psychic ability to determine if he wants to
> >bring up his fishing skill or not?
>
> Huh? What are you talking about? No psychic ability was involved - I
> just read the posts here.
He says he wants to use the skill to bring up is fishing, and you decided he
Jeremy Music
>What if I add a feature to watch my
>eqlog.txt to catch zoning and /loc commands and tell the program on the
>second computer to display a map and mark that location? Is that
>cheating?
I know of several people that run Everquest with a realtime log parser that
provides just such assists. Not quite up to ShowEQ levels, it doesn't
reveal any information that isn't 100% available to the person. Who knows
what Verant thinks of these things, and with Verant's record of
heavy-handedness who wants to be the one to test the waters?
Origin _supports_ programs like this.
J
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