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VJF

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Sep 24, 2001, 10:17:45 AM9/24/01
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My first char. was a monk and now im trying a druid and i have a few
questions for all you EQ geniuses. You always answer my questions and i
am very much appreciative.

I am currently Lev 10 and just made the move from Rivervale to Qeynose
for my 11-15 time.

1. Are there quests for druids near qeynos that can get me armor?
Anything like the headband quests for a monk?

2. What gear should I be looking for at this lev and the next few levs?

3. What should I put my practice points into? (1hb, spell casting,
forage) I have put one point into almost every category that applies to
me.

4. I have 21 spells now (did not buy them all, some sukd) and only 8
spots for them. Any hints on which spells are better to have hot keyed
all the time?

5. Is my job a healing job or a fighting job in a group?

6. Where is the closest place to train and buy spells? Qeynos?, West
Karana?, Surefall Glade?

7. Where is the best place to get gear , buy it, get from quests, or
get it off drops from creatures?

8. Is a gnoll considered an animal? (Panic Animal, Sense
Animal...etc..)

9. I am a tailor also...errrr....trying to be one....i think my skill
is at lev 20. Where is the best place to get silk or webs easily?
Everfrost? Karanas?

10. I am using a 1hb stick thing and am curious on what weapon I
should be looking for at the lev or soon.


Thank in advance. Much appreciated for any answers to these questions.


Frederico
Lev 24 Human Monk
LOIO

Cenzo
Lev 10 Halfling Druid
Qeynos

Cazic-Thule

Kris

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Sep 24, 2001, 10:36:26 AM9/24/01
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Good luck on you endever to learn the trade of the Druid.

"VJF" <VFre...@Rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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> My first char. was a monk and now im trying a druid and i have a few
> questions for all you EQ geniuses. You always answer my questions and i
> am very much appreciative.
>
> I am currently Lev 10 and just made the move from Rivervale to Qeynose
> for my 11-15 time.
>
> 1. Are there quests for druids near qeynos that can get me armor?
> Anything like the headband quests for a monk?
>
> 2. What gear should I be looking for at this lev and the next few levs?
>
> 3. What should I put my practice points into? (1hb, spell casting,
> forage) I have put one point into almost every category that applies to
> me.

Personally I only put one spell points into stuff to get them started. I was
told when younger to save the skill points for trade skills (Get them up to
20... saves time and sanity when starting a tradeskill) only exception to
this that I would consider is monks mend skill but that's me heh... just
started my own monk recently

>
> 4. I have 21 spells now (did not buy them all, some sukd) and only 8
> spots for them. Any hints on which spells are better to have hot keyed
> all the time?

SoW is permentally hotkeyed almost by most Druids I know... just because ppl
are always 'SoW Me d00dz'...

> 5. Is my job a healing job or a fighting job in a group?

Depends greatly on situation... if your solo'in its both... if your in a
group that's melee heavy and no cleric your healer/buffer... heavy caster
group/wcleric you can melee and DD etc... gotta learn the play the
situation... as an enchanter I have 75+ spells right now... I personally use
30+ spells constantly... from breeze, to dd, mez, stun, buffs/debuffs,
etc... can't mem them all so have to decide which ones fits situation

> 6. Where is the closest place to train and buy spells? Qeynos?, West
> Karana?, Surefall Glade?

if I'm not mistaken all of them... think each one sells different spells for
different levels... not a druid so couldn't tell ya... once ya hit 19 won't
matter cuz you can self port heh

> 7. Where is the best place to get gear , buy it, get from quests, or
> get it off drops from creatures?

depends on resources... I'm poor so my best bet for eq is Questing or the
ocassional Drop from Monster... if you have resourses (or hook up from
friend with resourses) I'd say buy them... once you hit 29 you can port for
donations (Or charge like some people) and rake in tons of pp... I think of
makin a druid JUST for that laugh... of course I haven't got my enchanter to
29 (Almost there) so it's not something I could probably do myself

> 8. Is a gnoll considered an animal? (Panic Animal, Sense
> Animal...etc..)

Don't think so... IIRC animals are Cats, wolfs, bears, bats... typical
animals

> 9. I am a tailor also...errrr....trying to be one....i think my skill
> is at lev 20. Where is the best place to get silk or webs easily?
> Everfrost? Karanas?

at level 10 not alot of 'Good' spots... I grew up in Nro and spiders there
gave 2 silks consistently... not sure about karana's spiders

> 10. I am using a 1hb stick thing and am curious on what weapon I
> should be looking for at the lev or soon.
>
>
> Thank in advance. Much appreciated for any answers to these questions.
>
>
> Frederico
> Lev 24 Human Monk
> LOIO
>
> Cenzo
> Lev 10 Halfling Druid
> Qeynos
>
> Cazic-Thule
>
>

PS one thing I did when I started was read up EVERYTHING I could find on
enchanters (God I love my chanter heh) I'd recomend the same for ya.
http://eq.castersrealm.com
http://eq.castersrealm.com/menu/druid.asp (Druid specific part)
http://www.everlore.com
http://www.allakhazam.com
hope this helps good luck

Dan Harmon

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Sep 24, 2001, 11:57:40 AM9/24/01
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"VJF" <VFre...@Rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I am currently Lev 10 and just made the move from Rivervale to Qeynose


> for my 11-15 time.
>
> 1. Are there quests for druids near qeynos that can get me armor?
> Anything like the headband quests for a monk?

Don't think so, but check www.allakhazam.com

>
> 2. What gear should I be looking for at this lev and the next few levs?

I bought store-bought leather whenever I had enough money. Keep an eye on
auctions for items that have WIS. Of course, this'll be a bear for a while
until you learn what DOES have WIS. <g>

> 3. What should I put my practice points into? (1hb, spell casting,
> forage) I have put one point into almost every category that applies to
> me.

If you don't know what to do with your practice points, don't use them at
all. There are lots of uses for them...wait 'til you figure out what you
want to do.

> 4. I have 21 spells now (did not buy them all, some sukd) and only 8
> spots for them. Any hints on which spells are better to have hot keyed
> all the time?

Hopefully Harmony was one of those spells you didn't think sucks. It's by
far the most powerful outdoors pulling tool in the game.

As for what to have memmed at all times, that's really easy at level 10
since you don't have a lot of spells you use often.
Snare
Latest Skin buff (Skin Like Rock?)
Latest self-damage coat
Latest damage shield for others
Nuke
Root

At 14 you'll want to have SoW and Stinging Swarm up as well. As you get
more spells up that you use often you'll have to decide which ones to keep
up for yourself...we all play druids our own different ways and they're all
good. :)

> 5. Is my job a healing job or a fighting job in a group?

At level 10 if you're the only healer you should concentrate on that. If
you have lots of mana you can do about anything you want. At level 10 you
can still do decent damage in melee, though I think I'd aim more at nuking
(preferably with the Wind nuke to practice conjuration...you're going to
need that at 14!!).

> 6. Where is the closest place to train and buy spells? Qeynos?, West
> Karana?, Surefall Glade?

Until level 19 you can only buy druid spells from druid guilds. The druid
guilds are in Surefall, Rivervale, and Kelethin. Go to
http://eq.castersrealm.com for a list of spells and their locations.

> 7. Where is the best place to get gear , buy it, get from quests, or
> get it off drops from creatures?

Yes. :) Sorry, no good answer here. At your level the best place is to buy
it and then replace it with critter drops when you can, then replace a piece
or two with various & sundry quest stuff. Almost everything you'll get &
keep are critter drops, though.

>
> 8. Is a gnoll considered an animal? (Panic Animal, Sense
> Animal...etc..)

No. Anything with more intelligence than a bat should be thought of as a
non-player race. Gnolls, orcs and goblins come immediately to mind.

>
> 9. I am a tailor also...errrr....trying to be one....i think my skill
> is at lev 20. Where is the best place to get silk or webs easily?
> Everfrost? Karanas?

At level 10...hmmm...anywhere that has spiders that you can kill. WK is
probably good but NK & EK are probably too high for you yet. Don't know
much about Everfrost.

> 10. I am using a 1hb stick thing and am curious on what weapon I
> should be looking for at the lev or soon.

Doesn't matter if you choose 1hb or 1hs (the couple you can wield). As to
the particular weapon, it has to say "magic" when you inspect it for it to
hit magic-only critters like ghouls & wisps. At your level the cheapest
magic weapon that I can think of that doesn't suck is a velium scimitar if
you can find a player selling one. NEVER buy a weapon from an NPC vendor
unless you have money to burn...lots of it. The only exception to that rule
is that if you have 50p laying around & can't find a player who can sell you
a decent magic weapon, you can buy a Combine scimitar from gypsy camps (NK,
Oasis...I think Lavastorm). Try to go with the velium if you can, though.


Gregory Gadow

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Sep 24, 2001, 12:25:02 PM9/24/01
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VJF wrote:

> My first char. was a monk and now im trying a druid and i have a few
> questions for all you EQ geniuses. You always answer my questions and i
> am very much appreciative.
>
> I am currently Lev 10 and just made the move from Rivervale to Qeynose
> for my 11-15 time.
>
> 1. Are there quests for druids near qeynos that can get me armor?

Given that Rosewhite (halfling druid) and all my alts are on Xev and not
Cazic-Thule, I can't help you. But I CAN give you some advice.

At level 10, you are high enough to go Blackburrow safely. Head to Halas and
bind there; the tundra in Everfrost is good experience for you. On your way
through the mountains between the tundra and Halas, kill every wolf you
find. Keep hold of the ruined skins (you want the gray ones, not the off
white) and make your own patchwork armor (one of the ladies in the cave
outside Halas sells large sewing kits and patterns; combine a ruined wolf
skin and a pattern to make patchwork armor, a decent -- and almost free --
druid wearable armor.) If you keep up with the tailoring, you can make
better and better leather (ie druid wearable) armor as your skills advance;
eventually you can make imbued Vale, a great leather that gives added wisdom
and stamina in every piece. (My druid has been able to finance her pet
enchanter in jewelry making through electrum and has started two smiths.)
Tailoring info can be found at http://www.lokari.org and
http://www.eqtraders.com

> Anything like the headband quests for a monk?

As a halfing druid, there are two Rivervale quests you will want to do
before too long: the Leatherfoot Raiders Cap (7 AC, 5 STR, 5 AGI, 10 CHA, 5
v Magic, one charge Ring of Commons; halfling only) and the Acolyte's Anklet
(foot item, 3 AC, 2 AGI, 2 WIS, 3 CHA; cleric, druid; dwarf, gnome,
halfling.) You can look these quests up at http://www.allakhazam.com. In the
Qeynos area, you can try for the Cloak of the Jaggedpine and the Jaggedpine
staff (Rosewhite has the staff) but they are VERY hard to get and nowhere
near worth the effort they take. Starting about 14 (with a group) or 20
(solo), you can start the Qeynos Badge quests, but they don't start getting
good until the 3rd one (which requires killing a necro that is still red to
a 31st level character)

> 2. What gear should I be looking for at this lev and the next few levs?

You are low enough that AC should remain your first priority. Get a full set
of patchwork armor (as mentioned above.) You may want to start looking for
items that give extra wisdom as well, but you won't really see any
difference in the amount of mana you have for spells until you reach your
upper teens. Until you are about 15th, I would wearing a pair of silver jade
rings (1 AC, 5 mana, 5 HP which go for about 5pp to 7pp each.) and, if you
have the cash, a pair of electrum jade bracelets (2 AC, 10 mana, 10 HP for
about 15pp each.) You might see imbued plains pebble jewelry for sale pretty
cheap; I would advise against it until you are in your upper 20s. The
jewelry gives nice stamina and wisdom bonuses, but drops your strength, and
until your mid 20s you will be melee A LOT and the increased stamina (which
adds to your HP at higher levels) will not offset the longer it takes for
you to whack down the mob attacking you.

> 3. What should I put my practice points into? (1hb, spell casting,
> forage) I have put one point into almost every category that applies to
> me.

My rule of thumb is that you should not spend points on something that can
be practiced during the course a characters day-to-day life. Weapon skills,
casting skills, special class abilities -- these should be used often enough
that you don't NEED to spend points to raise. Save them for now, with a few
exceptions.

When I start a character, I will put all five starting points in to what
ever weapon skill the character starts with, for survival sake. It is a
little late to do that with you :-)

When you chat with your trainer at level 1, you will see many abilities that
you will not get until latter (meditate at 8th for druids, for example, and
specializations at 30) YOU MUST PUT ONE POINT IN THESE SKILLS TO ACTIVATE
THEM! You will not get meditate or dodge or forage automatically; you must
"learn the basisc" first from a trainer.

There are some skills that, because of your class, can be very difficult to
raise. With druids, you might find divination to be a pain to raise; it is
one that druids use very little. However, a higher divination means that
your camo spells (pretty much the only divination a halfling druid needs)
will last longer and give you more warning before they fade. That could mean
the difference between life and death. Likewise weapon skills. Most druids
have the option of 1HB, 2HB and slashing. The druid epic weapon is a
scimitar, so that is the best skill, but fast, damage dealing scimitars are
expensive so most just stick with 1HB. You might want to spend points
occasionally to keep your slashing from getting to low.

> 4. I have 21 spells now (did not buy them all, some sukd) and only 8
> spots for them. Any hints on which spells are better to have hot keyed
> all the time?

First off, buy ALL the spells you can afford (although I admit, a halfing
does not need any of the summon light source spells.Buy the lowest one
anyway, for conjuration practice. You will thank me latter.) At 31, I am
still finding great uses for ones that I had neglected for 10 levels.

> 5. Is my job a healing job or a fighting job in a group?

At 10th level, such distinctions are very blurry, as no class has really
reach a point of becoming defined. When Rosewhite was grouping at that
level, she was actually the puller: Harmony the camp (goblins in Misty, or
the Orcs in the Commonlands), snare a target and lead it to the group
standing far enough away to not aggro the camp when the mob was engaged. I
also used my mana to buff the melee characters: skin like wood, strength of
earth and shield of thistles. In the Qeynos area, this tactic will do you
well for the bandit camps in West Karana.

At your level, druids are decent primary healers and not bad in dishing out
melee damage, but as you get higher level, you will find yourself relegated
more to back up support: assisting the cleric to heal, assisting the
enchanter to crowd control, buffing the tanks, MAYBE a damage over time on
the mob, but otherwise standing out of the way. On a recent group to the
Crystal Caverns at level 29, that was all I did; my MAIN function, in truth,
was emergency evac (you will love your group port spells at 29, trust me.) I
was ordered to keep half a bar of mana at all times, just in case things got
ugly, and to otherwise sit down and shut up.

> 6. Where is the closest place to train and buy spells? Qeynos?, West
> Karana?, Surefall Glade?

There are only three druid guild halls in Norrath: Surefall Glade, Kelethin
and Rivervale. There is a druid trainer in Firiona Vie, on the continent of
Kunark, and most druid rings have merchants who sell various spells (I
believe the last druid spells you can buy off guild merchants are one or two
19th level spells, and some of the upper end ones from the merchant in FV;
most of the rest are bought off of merchants at the rings.)

> 7. Where is the best place to get gear , buy it, get from quests, or
> get it off drops from creatures?

Many quests give very nice stuff: take for example the Acolyte's Anklet and
the Leatherfoot Raider's Cap. Mob dropped stuff is almost always better than
anything a merchant has in regular stock, as is player made stuff. Some
stuff is easy to buy and inexpensive, other things are very costly. There
really is no "best" place; it depends too much on what you are interested
in.

> 8. Is a gnoll considered an animal? (Panic Animal, Sense
> Animal...etc..)

Gnolls are a monster, so those spells have no effect (Pity. I wouldn't mind
having a gnoll for a pet.) The best way to tell is to stand close by and
cast Sense Animal.

> 9. I am a tailor also...errrr....trying to be one....i think my skill
> is at lev 20. Where is the best place to get silk or webs easily?
> Everfrost? Karanas?

Everfrost is a tailors paradise, one of the best places to *ahem* shop for
supplies. Plenty of spiders and spiderlings, lots of wolves, and even cubs
that occasionally drop HQ skins (SAVE THEM!! When you are able to make
tailored backpacks, you will want to have a stack or two in the bank. DO NOT
be tempted to sell them if you want to be a tailor!)

> 10. I am using a 1hb stick thing and am curious on what weapon I
> should be looking for at the lev or soon.

As much as you can, alternate between 1HB and slashing (scimitar). Try to
keep both skills up. I don't know of any decent druid useable 2 HB weapons,
so I don't think there is any need to worry about that.

For now, a cracked staff (rare weapon drop off of level 1 mobs; decayed
skeletons is the best) is one of the best "free" weapon you are likely to
see for quite a while. Unless you have a sugar daddy or a much higher level
character who can twink the druid (and if you did, you would not be asking),
stick with what you can afford.

All weapons come with two stats: damage and delay. The measure of a "good"
weapon is to take the delay and divide it by the damage; the lower the
number, the more damage you will deal out over a measured amount of time.
Sometimes, a weapon with a lower damage will be better because it's delay is
significantly faster. That is why a cracked staff (5 dmg, 32 dly, 6.4 ratio)
is better than, say, a rusty mace (5 dmg, 40 dly, 7.6 ratio), a rusty
morningstar (6 dmg, 44 dly, 7.33 ratio), a rusty war hammer (4 dmg, 30 dly,
7.5 ratio) or a rusty scimitar (5 dmg, 35 dly, 7 ratio.)

Qeynos can be a difficult zone to buy stuff because it is off the beaten
path, but sometimes you can get lucky. Watch for fine steel weapons which
drop commonly off of mid level mobs and are occasionally auctioned for 10pp
or less (by comparison to the above, a fine steel scimitar is 5 dmg, 24 dly,
4.8 ratio, a fine steel morning star is 8 dmg, 38 dly, 4.75 ratio and a fine
steel war hammer is 6 dmg, 30 dly, 5 ratio.) That will see you well in to
your 20's.
--
Gregory Gadow
tech...@serv.net

We can not claim moral superiority against terrorism
if we, ourselves, become a terrorist nation.


FocaIPoint

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From my perspective I absolutely detest Queynos, Queynos Hills for leveling a
Druid beyond 8 - 10. I'm partial to GFay and BB the EC Commons, North Ro,Oasis,
then Ill Omen, OT, Iceclad, EW then back to BB for Dorfing from 40 - 48.

The only good thing about Queynos for me is access to Permafrost via BB. Oh. I
forgot random soling in the Karanas.

Mendal
47 Druid
Morell-Thule

Gregory Gadow

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bizbee wrote:

> Yn erthygl <3BAF5E5E...@serv.net>, sgrifenws Gregory Gadow
> <tech...@serv.net>:


>
> >The measure of a "good"
> >weapon is to take the delay and divide it by the damage; the lower the
> >number, the more damage you will deal out over a measured amount of time.
>

> Well, this isn't a measure of how "good" a weapon is for anything
> except fighting with it. Hypothetically speaking, I'll take a +20 wis,
> +50 mana, +10 all weapon with a 4/40 ratio and effect: scoriae over
> one that has no stats except 10/10....
> What constitutes a "good" weapon depends on your class.

As I pointed out in my post, at 10th level, added stats give you pretty much
nothing. And given that the poster is obviously not twinked, it is hopelessly
unrealistic to suggest that a level 10 druid obtain such a weapon. I have
tried to provide him with the basic information he needs to make an informed
choice on weapons.

Richard

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"Gregory Gadow" <tech...@serv.net> wrote in message
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Shame on you, a druid killing all those friendly wolves. It's
http://www.lokari.net, not .org. Also, so long as you are killing things in
Everfrost, kill the polar bear cubs too, you never know when you might get a
HQ pelt. worth 15 to 30pp.

<snip all sorts of reasonable looking advice>


--
Graeme, Barbarian Shaman of 35 seasons, Erollisi Marr
Tainneal, Halfling Warrior of 22 seasons, Erollisi Marr


Tracy Riggs

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Sep 24, 2001, 4:19:48 PM9/24/01
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VJF wrote:

> My first char. was a monk and now im trying a druid and i have a few
> questions for all you EQ geniuses. You always answer my questions and i
> am very much appreciative.
>
> I am currently Lev 10 and just made the move from Rivervale to Qeynose
> for my 11-15 time.
>
> 1. Are there quests for druids near qeynos that can get me armor?
> Anything like the headband quests for a monk?

Can't help you on that one. All my druids have leveled in g'fay or l'fay,
even the halfling. I'm not a big fan of the Qeynos side of the world. FWIW,
I *love* the three spawn bandits in lesser faye at that level (10-14), the
ones near the pixie tower. Invis to get past the brownies safely, stand on
the hill between the path and the camp, harmony them so you can single pull,
and rake in exp and good loot for the level (bronze weapons, gems, bags).
/grin

> 2. What gear should I be looking for at this lev and the next few levs?

Leather, maybe some split paw stuff, skull of jen'tra, savants cap, anything
with wis or mana on it. Wis will help more later; until you hit about 20
+mana stuff will probably serve you better.

> 3. What should I put my practice points into? (1hb, spell casting,
> forage) I have put one point into almost every category that applies to
> me.

Spell skills you can raise by casting, so don't practice them. The exception
might be summoning when you hit 14. Chances are you haven't used it at all
prior to that point, and Stinging Swarm won't cast worth squat till you
raise it. Points are a quick way to fix that common problem. Melee skills
you won't be using much after 20; again, you can raise them through use,
rather than spending practice points. I'd suggest you just hang on to them
until you identify a specific weakness you need to address.

> 4. I have 21 spells now (did not buy them all, some sukd) and only 8
> spots for them. Any hints on which spells are better to have hot keyed
> all the time?

At 10, I hunt with snare, root, flame lick, ignite, harmony (or panic
animal, depending on what I was hunting), firefist, shield of thistles, and
something else (camo, treeform (for regen effect), gate, depends on what I
think I'm gonna need). At 14, I switch to snare, root, flame lick, stinging
swarm, ignite (or aoe nuke), sow, gate, camo (or whatever).

> 5. Is my job a healing job or a fighting job in a group?

That depends. If there is another healer designated as primary, then you are
a fighter (who needs to remember to save enough mana to backup the healer if
he goes oom - try not to go below 40 just in case you have to take over
healing). If you are the only healer, then that is really all you should
worry about doing unless the fights are just super easy and no one is
getting hurt to speak of.

> 6. Where is the closest place to train and buy spells? Qeynos?, West
> Karana?, Surefall Glade?

To Qeynos? Surefall Glade.

> 7. Where is the best place to get gear , buy it, get from quests, or
> get it off drops from creatures?

Little bit of all three.

> 8. Is a gnoll considered an animal? (Panic Animal, Sense
> Animal...etc..)

No.

> 9. I am a tailor also...errrr....trying to be one....i think my skill
> is at lev 20. Where is the best place to get silk or webs easily?
> Everfrost? Karanas?

Either are good. I like EK myself, but that's just me.

> 10. I am using a 1hb stick thing and am curious on what weapon I
> should be looking for at the lev or soon.

Hmmm, screaming mace is a Crushbone quest and you could get one of those
now. They are 1HB and proc yalup (hp and ac, i think?). You could look into
a combine or velium scimmy if you want to raise 1HS; both will hit magic and
be fairly cheap to purchase.

Good luck!

Meysura, 52 druid, Nameless

VJF

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Much thanks to all that have taken the ti e to help me out with your
wisdom!!!

KiDWiZ

Gregory Gadow

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Sep 24, 2001, 5:29:24 PM9/24/01
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Richard wrote:

> Shame on you, a druid killing all those friendly wolves.

Lest this start the perennial "What about wolf faction?" thread: I have yet to
encounter a wolf that gave a faction hit. At level 31 and making a career of
tailoring, Rosewhite is STILL amiable to every wolf and bear in the old world
and kindly when in wolf form. As for the shame... the only shame is in letting
their deaths be in vain. For this reason, Rosewhite learned to bake and has been
known to hand out stacks of wolf sandwiches and beer braised bear (+2 STR, -1
INT when it is the first food item in inventory) to newbies.

> It's
> http://www.lokari.net, not .org.

Ack, my bad. I know that .com takes you to some company in Finland.

> Also, so long as you are killing things in
> Everfrost, kill the polar bear cubs too, you never know when you might get a
> HQ pelt. worth 15 to 30pp.

I said that latter in my post, with the strongly worded suggestion that he NOT
sell them, no matter the temptation, if he has plans to continue tailoring. Best
to have a few stacks of free skins already banked when you are making tailored
backpacks for skill and profit than to find yourself wasting non-levelling time
farming bears or having to shell back out that money buying more.

Ray Rocker

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In article <3BAF40DF...@Rochester.rr.com>,

VJF <VFre...@Rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>My first char. was a monk and now im trying a druid and i have a few
>questions for all you EQ geniuses. You always answer my questions and i
>am very much appreciative.
...

>3. What should I put my practice points into? (1hb, spell casting,
>forage) I have put one point into almost every category that applies to
>me.
>
>4. I have 21 spells now (did not buy them all, some sukd) and only 8
>spots for them. Any hints on which spells are better to have hot keyed
>all the time?

Here's a tip: practice conjuration. At level 14 you get your first
"swarm" DoT, Stinging Swarm. You will want to use it without fizzling
ten times first. Other than the light-source summoning spells which
you probably did not buy, Whirling Wind is it for now. I didn't like
Whirling Wind since it was resisted like crazy, but you are well
advised to use it anyway to get those conjuration points.

--
Ray Rocker
roc...@datasync.com

Gregory Gadow

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Sep 24, 2001, 5:58:56 PM9/24/01
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Ray Rocker wrote:

> Here's a tip: practice conjuration. At level 14 you get your first
> "swarm" DoT, Stinging Swarm. You will want to use it without fizzling
> ten times first. Other than the light-source summoning spells which
> you probably did not buy, Whirling Wind is it for now. I didn't like
> Whirling Wind since it was resisted like crazy, but you are well
> advised to use it anyway to get those conjuration points.

Far less annoying -- and cheaper, when you figure the cost of sitting around
practicing -- would be to get the first level spell Dance of the Fireflies
and just repeatedly cast and destroy the globe you summon. That is 10 mana to
cast rather than 24 for Whirling Wind and its something that you can do
without accidentally targeting someone... guards REALLY don't like it when
you cast offensive spells on other players, even on a blue server where they
will do no harm. Trust me; I've learned that level. Several times.

Skill checks (and therefore skill ups) are based on the act of casting, not
on the level of the spell cast, so a first level spell is just as good as a
44th level spell; much better, in fact, because first level spells take less
mana and cast faster.

Just my 2cp :-)

Richard

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"Gregory Gadow" <tech...@serv.net> wrote in message
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Didn't read the whole post, and I tried to make it clear that I was joking
about the wolf killing thing, with my comments on killing bears. That being
said however, if I were roleplaying my druid, then, personally, I would not
run around killing every wolf and bear, but that is just a personal choice
on how I would roleplay it, not something that I would expect everyone to
conform to.

Ray Rocker

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In article <3BAFACA0...@serv.net>,

Gregory Gadow <tech...@serv.net> wrote:
>Far less annoying -- and cheaper, when you figure the cost of sitting around
>practicing -- would be to get the first level spell Dance of the Fireflies
>and just repeatedly cast and destroy the globe you summon.

That's what I did in fact. The tedium was horrible. I wish I would
have used Whirling Wind more in combat instead. I wasn't suggesting
use of Whirling Wind on onesself as practice, rather use of it while
hunting, even if the resists are a PITA.

>Skill checks (and therefore skill ups) are based on the act of casting, not
>on the level of the spell cast, so a first level spell is just as good as a
>44th level spell; much better, in fact, because first level spells take less
>mana and cast faster.

Sometimes I wonder if the skill increase checker takes into account
repetitive casting of the same spell. Every now and then I work on
Divination, usually by repeatedly casting Sense Animals. I might get
a point every 20 casts if I'm lucky (skill in the 160s). However,
single casts of Camouflage while traveling seem MUCH more likely
to result in a Divination point. It could be, though, that I cast
Camouflage much more than I realize...

--
Ray Rocker
roc...@datasync.com


Lance

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Sep 24, 2001, 9:16:10 PM9/24/01
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Richard wrote:

> Didn't read the whole post, and I tried to make it clear that I was joking
> about the wolf killing thing, with my comments on killing bears. That being
> said however, if I were roleplaying my druid, then, personally, I would not
> run around killing every wolf and bear, but that is just a personal choice
> on how I would roleplay it, not something that I would expect everyone to
> conform to.
>
> --
> Graeme, Barbarian Shaman of 35 seasons, Erollisi Marr
> Tainneal, Halfling Warrior of 22 seasons, Erollisi Marr

My ranger hunts animals of all sorts, uses the pelts and the meat both...
I think of him as a hunter, in fact that's less repulsive than killing even
evil intelligent creatures.

My friend's ranger, on the other hand, sees killing animals for any
purpose, be it sport, food, or pelts, as repulsive, and on the other
hand hates orcs with a passion unparrallelled.

This is the beauty of Role playing, you get to make up your own
story and character choices about your character, and they
don't have to be cookie cutter with everyone else's.

My cleric to this day maintains that he should have taken Dad's
advice and become a Paladin instead of a cleric like Mom wanted;
he melees, solos, casts spells -other- than heals much of the time...
its a different approach, but its an enjoyable one. He also maintains
that he's -not- a dwarf at all, but that A) all the races except gnomes and
halflings are tall, gnomes and halflings are the short ones and
B) he's a Coldain with a tan.

My Erudite necro would not group with him on a bet, that's madness
talking! Good thing the two of them are never online at the same time.

Bergh

Lance

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Sep 24, 2001, 9:20:57 PM9/24/01
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Ray Rocker wrote:

> Sometimes I wonder if the skill increase checker takes into account
> repetitive casting of the same spell. Every now and then I work on
> Divination, usually by repeatedly casting Sense Animals. I might get
> a point every 20 casts if I'm lucky (skill in the 160s). However,
> single casts of Camouflage while traveling seem MUCH more likely
> to result in a Divination point. It could be, though, that I cast
> Camouflage much more than I realize...

I'm not convinced that level of the spell means nothing, either.

I find that low level spells tend to gradually result in fewer and fewer
skill checks as my skill increases, while casting the next higher level
version of that spell category restores the normal ratio of skill ups..
at the cost of significantly higher mana.

On the other hand, you don't get many skill ups while fizzling, so
you start with the spells you are closest to being able to cast, don't
go to the next tier until it casts most of the time, and for that matter
not until your skill up rate on the cheap one gets rediculously low.

I could be entirely wrong, of course, perhaps I'm wasting mana and
it just -seems- to help using the higher level spell.

Bergh

StanMann

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Sep 25, 2001, 8:00:35 AM9/25/01
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Ray Rocker wrote:
>
> In article <3BAFACA0...@serv.net>,
> Gregory Gadow <tech...@serv.net> wrote:
> >Far less annoying -- and cheaper, when you figure the cost of sitting around
> >practicing -- would be to get the first level spell Dance of the Fireflies
> >and just repeatedly cast and destroy the globe you summon.
>
> That's what I did in fact. The tedium was horrible. I wish I would
> have used Whirling Wind more in combat instead. I wasn't suggesting
> use of Whirling Wind on onesself as practice, rather use of it while
> hunting, even if the resists are a PITA.
>

That was the method my druid used, and despite conj being below average,
my fizzle percentage is well within the range of normal. In fact, I
didn't see my first swarm fizzle till 15 despite using it through most
of 14.

StanMann
--
OK, I have tremendous admiration for someone who goes to the trouble of
learning American English when it isn't their native tongue, but there
is
precious little that is funnier than someone cursing in English when
they
aren't completely fluent in it. It's made even funnier when they're
apopleptic with rage, as Arnaud here is.--Brandon Blackmoor

Ben Haddick

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"bizbee" <tub...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Yn erthygl <3BAF40DF...@Rochester.rr.com>, sgrifenws VJF
> <VFre...@Rochester.rr.com>:

>
> >My first char. was a monk and now im trying a druid and i have a few
> >questions for all you EQ geniuses. You always answer my questions and i
> >am very much appreciative.
> >
> >I am currently Lev 10 and just made the move from Rivervale to Qeynose
> >for my 11-15 time.
> >
> Most people go the other direction. Qeynos Hills sucks, pretty much,
> right along with Blackburrow. Hunting wisps in WC is good exp and
> makes great money... Befallen is also excellent exp and not overly
> crowded most the time.
>

I would only agree with Befallen being any good if you're lucky enough to
have a server with the old version.

> >1. Are there quests for druids near qeynos that can get me armor?
> >Anything like the headband quests for a monk?
> >

> Others will have answers for this one, the only thing I can think of
> is the beginning of the ToV quest, which you're a bit low for right
> now (not <too> far off, though).
>

He's not to early to pay Moodoro for the container and try to get page 30,
but yeah, he wouldn't be successful camping Dyllin (oh crap, patch day,
better get on soon for mine!) =P

<snip>


> >6. Where is the closest place to train and buy spells? Qeynos?, West
> >Karana?, Surefall Glade?
> >

> Surefall. No druid guilds anywhere but there on that side of the
> mountain, don't even bother looking.
>

Once you get self-ports, theres some guy at the North Karana druid ring
that's a trainer.


<snip>


Celaeno

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You will not evade me, "Richard"
<graemefaelban@despam_mesanetworks.net>:

>Didn't read the whole post, and I tried to make it clear that I was joking
>about the wolf killing thing, with my comments on killing bears. That being
>said however, if I were roleplaying my druid, then, personally, I would not
>run around killing every wolf and bear, but that is just a personal choice
>on how I would roleplay it, not something that I would expect everyone to
>conform to.

I use my melees for wolf and bear pharming; they don't have issues :)
I did kill a few with my druid when they gave exp, but the majority of
my pelts come from cats.
Heck, on the matter of roleplaying, my shadow knight is growing out of
her 'raw flesh is good eatin' stage and selling stacks of chunks of
meat to vendors instead of eating them. She's learning to make steaks
instead. No character of mine is ever going to have to resort to
_rations_...


Celaeno Duskwalker
Fier'dal wanderer of Erollisi Marr

Celaeno

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You will not evade me, "Dan Harmon" <deha...@bigfoot.com>:

>
>"VJF" <VFre...@Rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:3BAF40DF...@Rochester.rr.com...
>
>> I am currently Lev 10 and just made the move from Rivervale to Qeynose
>> for my 11-15 time.

Halfling druid, right?

>> 1. Are there quests for druids near qeynos that can get me armor?
>> Anything like the headband quests for a monk?
>
>Don't think so, but check www.allakhazam.com

Druids don't have quest armor until velious, and not much in the way
of questable gear otherwise. Your best bets are the testament of
vanear quest (Qeynos/Highpass) and the shakey's stuffing quest
(Qeynos/Rivervale/West Karana/Feerrott) which has two different
rewards, both good for a halfling druid. You might also want to look
up the acolyte's anklet quest in Rivervale for a foot slot item.

>> 2. What gear should I be looking for at this lev and the next few levs?
>
>I bought store-bought leather whenever I had enough money. Keep an eye on
>auctions for items that have WIS. Of course, this'll be a bear for a while
>until you learn what DOES have WIS. <g>

You're a tailor, so lay off the store-brought stuff. Stockpile ruined
wolf pelts and cat pelts and buy patterns. Use the ruined cat pelts to
skill up making patchwork armor, and use ruined wolf pelts to make
your own armor. Much cheaper than storebought leather, and just as
good for your needs. The first upgrade you should be able to afford is
a pair of splitpaw gloves - if you stick your nose into South Karana
and auction, you might be able to get gloves for maybe 15 pp and tunic
for 5 or 10 (it's better than patchwork)

>> 4. I have 21 spells now (did not buy them all, some sukd) and only 8
>> spots for them. Any hints on which spells are better to have hot keyed
>> all the time?
>
>Hopefully Harmony was one of those spells you didn't think sucks. It's by
>far the most powerful outdoors pulling tool in the game.
>
>As for what to have memmed at all times, that's really easy at level 10
>since you don't have a lot of spells you use often.
>Snare
>Latest Skin buff (Skin Like Rock?)
>Latest self-damage coat
>Latest damage shield for others
>Nuke
>Root

I'd add latest heal spell to that lineup, and possibly gate. I
wouldn't waste a spell slot on keeping the thistlecoat spell
memorized, I've always swapped that in as needed. The only time I have
buffs memmed constantly is if I am in a group where I am buffing and
don't have anything more constructive to do with a spell slot - the
only exception being spirit of wolf, which I have memmed ALL the time
and sometimes even forget to swap out in dungeons where I can't cast
it :) Heal and sow are the lifesavers, the others aren't.

>At 14 you'll want to have SoW and Stinging Swarm up as well. As you get
>more spells up that you use often you'll have to decide which ones to keep
>up for yourself...we all play druids our own different ways and they're all
>good. :)
>
>> 5. Is my job a healing job or a fighting job in a group?
>
>At level 10 if you're the only healer you should concentrate on that. If
>you have lots of mana you can do about anything you want. At level 10 you
>can still do decent damage in melee, though I think I'd aim more at nuking
>(preferably with the Wind nuke to practice conjuration...you're going to
>need that at 14!!).

Bear in mind that you might have to get creative with healing at this
low level - I always put damage shields on melees so I'd have to heal
them less, and keep the mobs snared so they can be outrun if need be.
Remember you are not a wizard: nuke, but don't limit yourself to that.

>> 6. Where is the closest place to train and buy spells? Qeynos?, West
>> Karana?, Surefall Glade?
>
>Until level 19 you can only buy druid spells from druid guilds. The druid
>guilds are in Surefall, Rivervale, and Kelethin. Go to
>http://eq.castersrealm.com for a list of spells and their locations.

There is a trainer at the North Karana druid ring as well, Briana with
the bear pet IIRC.

>> 9. I am a tailor also...errrr....trying to be one....i think my skill
>> is at lev 20. Where is the best place to get silk or webs easily?
>> Everfrost? Karanas?
>
>At level 10...hmmm...anywhere that has spiders that you can kill. WK is
>probably good but NK & EK are probably too high for you yet. Don't know
>much about Everfrost.

A level 20 tailor wants ruined pelts. Go after cats, bears, wolves and
make armor of their pelts - you'll be able to wear the stuff made from
wolf pelt. Be careful killing bears and wolves near surefall, and do
not kill anything inside surefall.

>> 10. I am using a 1hb stick thing and am curious on what weapon I
>> should be looking for at the lev or soon.
>
>Doesn't matter if you choose 1hb or 1hs (the couple you can wield). As to
>the particular weapon, it has to say "magic" when you inspect it for it to
>hit magic-only critters like ghouls & wisps. At your level the cheapest
>magic weapon that I can think of that doesn't suck is a velium scimitar if
>you can find a player selling one. NEVER buy a weapon from an NPC vendor
>unless you have money to burn...lots of it. The only exception to that rule
>is that if you have 50p laying around & can't find a player who can sell you
>a decent magic weapon, you can buy a Combine scimitar from gypsy camps (NK,
>Oasis...I think Lavastorm). Try to go with the velium if you can, though.

Cheap alternatives include runed totem staff (2hb, available in
blackburrow and south karana) and darkwood staff (1hb, quested with a
lambent stone from rathe mountains, quest in temple of sol ro). You
can also use velium morning stars and velium staffs.

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