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Crash86
I swear, I was only going to play from 9:00 - 11:00. Logged off Cazic-Thule
at 1:00.
This morning, when the kids went down for naps, I snuck on just long enough
to get my wood elven ranger to ding level 3.
I heading back to Kelethin now.
Help me ..............................
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Crash86
There's nothing wrong with ignorance, because ignorance is skin deep and can
be educated. Stupidity, on the other hand, is to the bone.
John M Clancy
"Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Last night was my first night online.
>
> I swear, I was only going to play from 9:00 - 11:00. Logged off Cazic-Thule
> at 1:00.
>
> This morning, when the kids went down for naps, I snuck on just long enough
> to get my wood elven ranger to ding level 3.
>
> I heading back to Kelethin now.
>
> Help me ..............................
>
Resistance is futile. You have been assimilated.
Self discipline is the answer. If you are playing a set time
a good tip is start heading back to town or leave your
group 1/2 hour before your deadline. Avoid the 'just one more pull'
syndrome.
georg
>
> Help me ..............................
Get an alarm clock and put it by your computer. Set the alarm for ten
minutes before you need to get off. Now use it.
-Tirra
Crash86
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>
> Resistance is futile. You have been assimilated.
In all seriousness, I haven't lost track of time like this in a long time.
As I think of it, the times that it's happened in the past have been in
turn-based games (the original Civ, HOMM, etc.). Rarely in something that
gives the appearance of real-time (I realize that there must be something
akin to D&D 'Initiative' in melee) have I goten so absorbed in it that I
lose an hour or two.
> Self discipline is the answer. If you are playing a set time
> a good tip is start heading back to town or leave your
> group 1/2 hour before your deadline. Avoid the 'just one more pull'
> syndrome.
I think that a big part of the effect has to be the gamers in the EQ
community. This is without a doubt the friendliest group of folks to a
newbie I've ever seen. I announced myself as a first nighter so that folks
would know what was up and give me a wide berth. They did the exact
opposite.
People were 'buffing' me, donating armor and food, offering to help me find
my corpse(s), inviting me to groups, and generally being supportive of the
first-night newbie. I've been gaming online since Command & Conquer, and
I've never seen anything like it. It was amazing.
And it made me want to get some experience so that I could do the same thing
for someone else.
Way cool.
Chris Kasten
<>
> Way cool.
>
I recognize these symptoms. You're hosed.
;-)
--
Chris Kasten
http://www.kastenracing.com/chris/
icq# 76zero39three6
Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it.
Dan Harmon
"Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I swear, I was only going to play from 9:00 - 11:00. Logged off
Cazic-Thule
> at 1:00.
>
> This morning, when the kids went down for naps, I snuck on just long
enough
> to get my wood elven ranger to ding level 3.
>
> I heading back to Kelethin now.
>
> Help me ..............................
Here's help: No matter what, remember that everything you do regarding EQ
is YOUR responsibility, not EQ's. If your wife up & leaves you some day and
takes the kids remember that it was YOUR fault, not EQ's.
Anyway, welcome to our little piece of hell. :)
Crash86
Chris Kasten <kas...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> "Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> allegedly wrote:
>
> <>
>
> > Way cool.
> >
>
> I recognize these symptoms. You're hosed.
>
> ;-)
>
ROFL
I suspected as much ... Thanks for the confirmation! <g>
Crash86
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> Here's help: No matter what, remember that everything you do regarding EQ
> is YOUR responsibility, not EQ's. If your wife up & leaves you some day
and
> takes the kids remember that it was YOUR fault, not EQ's.
Agreed. I've been around pencil-and-paper D&D since the late 70's, and
though I haven't gamed since college (more years ago than I care to add up),
I remember the witch-hunts well. Gygax never caused a single person to go
off the deep end. Nor will Verant/EQ. For that matter, neither Judas
Priest nor Ozzy have caused a suicide. People trying to dodge
responsibility will use whatever they can find to allow them to transfer the
issues away from themselves.
<stepping off soapbox>
Sorry 'bout that. Please allow me to replace tongue firmly in cheek .......
Should it ever come to that, I think the oldest boy would want to stay with
me. He's already bugging me to put a network in the house so that I can
teach him to game. He watches me play Red Alert 2 against his "uncles" (my
gaming buddies) in rapt fascination. Not bad for a 5 year old! Too early
to tell about the 2 year old, though ... <g>
>
> Anyway, welcome to our little piece of hell. :)
>
Thanks for that! ;-)
Cltch95
not the gameplay IMO...its the people. I played Diablo2 for around 9 months and
i have never seen such a freeform acceptable crowd...i died and did not go to
my body for 3 days for so at lvl 3 and ask..."Where's my body?" and explain
what happened..well i get tell after tell telling me to meet them in the
tunnel..i ask "Wheres that" i get walk to that spot and 2 very super nice
people give me very nie equipment and a iron back axe (worth about 50pp)..all
because i dot know nothing...and making group is very simple...man i love this
game not for the game but the people i meet..i thank you all <Seaelin waves>
John M Clancy
"Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote in message
> John M Clancy <jmcl...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Resistance is futile. You have been assimilated.
>
> In all seriousness, I haven't lost track of time like this in a long time.
Hehehehe. Time flies when you are having fun. =)
Quick story: I played in an all night D&D session at college
I looked out the window and saw this eerie orange glow
lighting up the sky and remarked to the gaming group that
I thought the neighbors house was on fire. They all looked
at me like I was nuts and one said "Uh John that's called the Sun,
its morning." Doh! I swear to God I thought it was only 10pm
at the most.
Schmoe
destroys lives!
"Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote in message
David Goldberg
>
> I think only single people should play EQ. it is just too crack-ish. EQ
> destroys lives!
Unless you are lucky enough to have your wife play too :)
Crash86
> Quick story: I played in an all night D&D session at college
> I looked out the window and saw this eerie orange glow
> lighting up the sky and remarked to the gaming group that
> I thought the neighbors house was on fire. They all looked
> at me like I was nuts and one said "Uh John that's called the Sun,
> its morning." Doh! I swear to God I thought it was only 10pm
> at the most.
>
Most of my D&D all-nighters in college were planned events (note the word
'most' there), complete with about 4 pounds of hamburger helper lasagna
(which we called 'iron rations' <g>) and all the trimmings. Ahhhh, those
were the days!! If I tried to do that now I'd be out like a light by 3am,
and it would take me a week to recover ......
I had *exactly* the same experience you've described playing Civ when it
first came out. I did the "just one more turn" thing till the morning sun
hit me in the eye ... and realized it was time to get in the shower for
work. Doh!
Lokari
>I swear, I was only going to play from 9:00 - 11:00. Logged off Cazic-Thule
>at 1:00.
Welcome to Norrath :)
Only two hours late - hell, you did pretty good. My first day I went
over my intended time by about 6 hours, and even then only managed to
stop because the servers kept crashing.
--
Lokari's Law:
"Any person, government, religion or other organization that cannot
tolerate being made fun of is worthy only of being made fun of."
Crash86
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*That* would be awesome. My wife just kind of pats me on the head and says,
"That's nice, sweetheart. Have fun!" <g> We've been married for fifteen
years ... I guess you could say that she's pretty understanding of her lot
in life by now. It wasn't always like this, though. She used to speak in
quite derogatory terms about my gaming hobby/habit (referring to my machine
as my "square-headed girlfriend",etc.) ... then she had an epiphany.
She was complaining to one of her friends about my gaming several years ago,
and her friend shot back, "At least he's at home and not closing down bars
every night.". According to her friend, the look on my wife's face was
priceless ... it was like a neon sign with the words *Reality Check* was
flashing in front of her. From that point on, my gaming's been okay in her
book.
And every year I buy her friend a dozen roses on her birthday! <g>
Crash86
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> "Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I swear, I was only going to play from 9:00 - 11:00. Logged off
Cazic-Thule
> >at 1:00.
>
> Welcome to Norrath :)
>
> Only two hours late - hell, you did pretty good. My first day I went
> over my intended time by about 6 hours, and even then only managed to
> stop because the servers kept crashing.
>
Believe it or not, I actually tried to stop at 12:30 ... but it took me half
an hour to find my ~!#%@! guild in the dark. <g>
Dan Harmon
"Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote in message
> Believe it or not, I actually tried to stop at 12:30 ... but it took me
half
> an hour to find my ~!#%@! guild in the dark. <g>
Ugh, you chose a blind race, huh? That's a tough first character.
Jennaii
own copies of EQ. Cheaper than alimony and child support. Trust me.
>> Here's help: No matter what, remember that everything you do regarding EQ
>> is YOUR responsibility, not EQ's. If your wife up & leaves you some day
>and
>> takes the kids remember that it was YOUR fault, not EQ's.
"This time: gonna do it RIGHT!" -- Bob Seger
Jennaii
Gladimir
Ranger Guild leader will be wanting those from you.
- G
"Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote in message
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Scott
people whether they be in group or not being when I'm cleric than with any
other class I've played. It's a great way to make new friends too. :)
BTW, crash, what server do you play on? Just wondering to see if your
server contains more than it's fair share of friendly people. ;) hehe
"Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote in message
> I think that a big part of the effect has to be the gamers in the EQ
Crash86
Nope, a wood elf. That's what was so embarassing.
What hosed me was the fact that Kelethin is in the trees (the same fact that
accounted for my almost instantaneous death when I started, btw ... as it
turns out, they're very tall trees). After a while one bridge or ramp looks
like another, and I must've run variations on the same circle for 20 minutes
before stumbling across my guild. The map in the manual is pretty much
useless unless you know which elevator was which (I didn't). I was too
pig-headed, I guess ... but damned if I was going to ask for help finding my
own guild.
I've got it now, though. I think ........
Crash86
Gladimir <glad...@san.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I hope you found your guild because I have 6 orc hatchets for you now.
The
> Ranger Guild leader will be wanting those from you.
>
> - G
Thanks, Glad! I appreciate it. There may very well be some gaming in my
future this week. Drop me a note when you thing you're going to be out
there and we'll hook up for sure!
Crash86
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> That's why I like playing a cleric so much. It's much easier for me to
help
> people whether they be in group or not being when I'm cleric than with any
> other class I've played. It's a great way to make new friends too. :)
My next character is going to be a cleric. I'd already decided that. You
just cinched the deal, though. :-)
> BTW, crash, what server do you play on? Just wondering to see if your
> server contains more than it's fair share of friendly people. ;) hehe
I'm on Cazic-Thule. I don't know about any other server, but if you tell me
that this is one of the not-so-nice ones, I'll flip out. People are
*exceedingly* helpful. I haven't asked for help once. I just figured I'd
just live by the newbie code I'd always lived by ... you're first character
is a throw-away to help you get a handle on the ropes. It's your second
character you get attached to (so to speak). Given that mindset, there's no
need to ask for help.
But y'know, it doesn't matter ... somehow someone knows when I'm struggling
and helps out. Or someone's examining my stuff and trading stuff to me for
waaaay under market value (I'm sure, since I have no money to speak of).
People are always buffing me. Sometimes it happens and I'm not able to
catch who's doing it to thank them, so I just thank the area (/shout Many
thanks to whoever just buffed me!). I know that it may be in poor taste, but
I don't want folks to think I'm an ingrate.
I have noticed that people who /shout across the zone asking for buffs never
seem to get buffed, though. Either that, or they're SoW crackheads who need
another hit ... they never seem to stop asking. Not a commentary ... just
an observation after a few sessions online.
Thanks for asking, Scott! If you've got a character on Cazic-Thule, drop me
an email (change 'shot' to 'hot') and let me know who to look for out there.
:-)
Lokari
<crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote:
>Nope, a wood elf. That's what was so embarassing.
Nothing to be embarrassed about there. I've been playing for two years
and still can't find my way around that city. I know how to get to the
bank, and that's it.
Annie Benson-Lennaman
It's true. I finally got my husband addicted. It's great.
We went to lunch today, and spent the whole time talking about
our adventures in Norrath. I got a funny look from our waiter
when I described how close to death I had come this morning while
fighting mummies in the desert. And the conversation from the
table behind us kinda quieted when Steven enthusiastically
described
how good he was getting at killing things in the swamp with the
bow and arrow.
Everquest. Bring families together.
Annie <--- Wonders if an ingame wedding wouldn't just be
redundant
--
My Return-to address is sabotaged. If you can't
figure out the fake part, you're not supposed
to write me.
Gregory Gadow
great server. Too often, though, you will meet up with real jerks so count your
blessings while they are before you.
Remember that reputation is EVERYTHING in this game (I think of it as faction
with the other players.) Make a note of those who are generous with their buffs
and do what you can to return the favor (example: a high level spell-slinger was
paying 1pp for each spiderling silk silk thread in East Commons this weekend. He
was generous with a few buffs so when I noticed a merchant had at least one silk
thread available for a bit more than a silver, I told him where to find the
merchant rather than buy them and have him get them from me.) Make a note also
of those who are being jerks (kill stealing, being nasty, killing quest NPCs and
not allowing others to complete what they are doing, etc) and feel free to
/ignore them in the future. If a jerk belongs to a guild, do a /who all "guild
name" and ask someone else to speak with a guild officer and log a complaint
against the individual. As a last report, feel free to /report the offender.
May all your hunting be successful.
--
Gregory Gadow
Email: tech...@serv.net
"Take the high road. Not only is the view
better and the air fresher, but it makes
it easier to piss on the people below."
Gregory Gadow
The family that games together will be too distracted to fight and so will stay
together.
Gregory Gadow
> "Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I swear, I was only going to play from 9:00 - 11:00. Logged off Cazic-Thule
> >at 1:00.
>
> Welcome to Norrath :)
>
> Only two hours late - hell, you did pretty good. My first day I went
> over my intended time by about 6 hours, and even then only managed to
> stop because the servers kept crashing.
Heh. You aren't addicted until you call in sick to work because you've been
camping a rare spawn and BY GOD! you know that today is your lucky day.
Sergey Dashevskiy
> David Goldberg wrote:
>
> > Schmoe wrote:
> > >
> > > I think only single people should play EQ. it is just too crack-ish. EQ
> > > destroys lives!
> >
> > Unless you are lucky enough to have your wife play too :)
>
> The family that games together will be too distracted to fight and so will stay
> together.
One would hope that they don't have any young offsprings at the moment,
as the lil'ones would starve :)
> --
> Gregory Gadow
> Email: tech...@serv.net
>
> "Take the high road. Not only is the view
> better and the air fresher, but it makes
> it easier to piss on the people below."
>
>
>
--
Vedun Dazhbog/Rusich Smaks, 51 shamonk (mystiple?)
Lessen Hurt, 27 cleric
Levsha Bladespam, 36 rogue
Xirinia Gusl'ar, 46 bard, Povar, MIA
Xirin, 30 druid
Brad
family members...
"Gregory Gadow" <tech...@serv.net> wrote in message
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Crash86
> I'm glad your experiences so far have been pleasant; you seem to have
chosen a
> great server. Too often, though, you will meet up with real jerks so count
your
> blessings while they are before you.
Thanks. I keep waiting for it. I know they're out there, but they're not
as prevalent as with some online games.
> Remember that reputation is EVERYTHING in this game (I think of it as
faction
> with the other players.) Make a note of those who are generous with their
buffs
> and do what you can to return the favor (example: a high level
spell-slinger was
> paying 1pp for each spiderling silk silk thread in East Commons this
weekend. He
> was generous with a few buffs so when I noticed a merchant had at least
one silk
> thread available for a bit more than a silver, I told him where to find
the
> merchant rather than buy them and have him get them from me.)
That's an *outstanding* idea. Thanks for that!
> Make a note also of those who are being jerks
> (kill stealing, being nasty, killing quest NPCs and
> not allowing others to complete what they are doing, etc) and feel free to
> /ignore them in the future. If a jerk belongs to a guild, do a /who all
"guild
> name" and ask someone else to speak with a guild officer and log a
complaint
> against the individual. As a last report, feel free to /report the
offender.
Thanks for the tip on that one, too.
> May all your hunting be successful.
And yours as well.
Crash86
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> Nothing to be embarrassed about there.
Thanks! That makes me feel better ... I thought I was losing it after about
15 minutes of circling.
> I've been playing for two years and still can't find
> my way around that city. I know how to get to the
> bank, and that's it.
There's a bank there? <g>
Remington Stone
}Nope, a wood elf. That's what was so embarassing.
}
}What hosed me was the fact that Kelethin is in the trees (the same fact that
}accounted for my almost instantaneous death when I started, btw ... as it
}turns out, they're very tall trees).
Hehe, my very first character was a Wood Elf too... Night vision does you
no good if you haven't figured out how to turn the gamma up yet. I popped
into existence, looked around a bit, and walked straight off the edge of
a platform. Then I decided to be a Dark Elf instead. :)
[16 Wizard] Vanlaasaa <Knights of IGF> (Dark Elf) Ayonae Ro
Crash86
Remington Stone said:
> Hehe, my very first character was a Wood Elf too... Night vision does you
> no good if you haven't figured out how to turn the gamma up yet. I popped
> into existence, looked around a bit, and walked straight off the edge of
> a platform. Then I decided to be a Dark Elf instead. :)
>
My guild was right in front of me when I popped into Kelethin for the first
time. I made it as far as getting my first quest and some guild clothes,
then left the guild and walked right off a platform. Never found my corpse
... ran around in my scivvies until someone had mercy on me and kindly
offered me some clothes. I guess if you see a female wood elf running
around in the dark in panties and a bra, you just assume it's a newbie
....... <g>
Dan Harmon
"Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote in message
I give directions whenever I'm in Gfay. The most frequent questions and
answers:
Where's the bank?
Up the POD lift (the one with the fire) Across, over bridge, left, up.
Where's the ranger guild?
Champions of Faydwer, from the bank, up, right, down.
Where's the druid guild?
Soldiers of Tunare, from the bank, up, right, down, down.
Where's the warrior guild?
Emerald Warriors, from the POD lift, first platform to the right.
Where's the bard guild?
Off the platform between the newbie and POD lift.
I really should create a macro set just for Kelethin. :)
Where's Crushbone?
p2300, 0
Dan Harmon
"Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote in message
> Thanks. I keep waiting for it. I know they're [jerks] out there, but
they're not
> as prevalent as with some online games.
That's because anti-social behavior is still frowned upon. Everquest is
designed for adults. The men and women who play (as opposed to the 26 yr
old boys) tend to expect that people respect them by respecting the rules.
Lots of exceptions, but this ain't Quake.
Crash86
Dan Harmon said:
> I give directions whenever I'm in Gfay.
Much appreciated. I was seriously considering going to Barnes & Noble and
buying the strat guide just for the maps.
> I really should create a macro set just for Kelethin. :)
Man ... can I pick 'em, or can I pick 'em? All the places to have a first
character, and I pick the one that seems to be the most like a maze. <g>
Another newbie question ... which lift is considered the newbie lift? I
usually use the one with the Priest of Discord. I'd seen a message about
someone sharpening rusted blades for free at the newbie lift, but when I
asked which lift it was the PC came to me instead. That was great, and I
appreciated the free weapon work, but I still don't know which lift is the
newbie lift.
TIA!
Lokari
<crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote:
>Much appreciated. I was seriously considering going to Barnes & Noble and
>buying the strat guide just for the maps.
Ack! No, don't do that. Use the net - the maps you'll find are a lot
better and more up-to-date, and *free*.
Start with
for a really good selection of maps and zone descriptions.
Dan Harmon
"Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Dan Harmon said:
> > I give directions whenever I'm in Gfay.
>
> Much appreciated. I was seriously considering going to Barnes & Noble and
> buying the strat guide just for the maps.
Changing the wording slightly from Lok's post, for god's sakes don't buy the
poor-excuse-for-toiletpaper guides.
I prefer www.eqmaps.com over her suggestion but if I can't find it at one I
do go to the other.
> Another newbie question ... which lift is considered the newbie lift? I
> usually use the one with the Priest of Discord. I'd seen a message about
> someone sharpening rusted blades for free at the newbie lift, but when I
> asked which lift it was the PC came to me instead. That was great, and I
> appreciated the free weapon work, but I still don't know which lift is the
> newbie lift.
The newbie lift is just about a 10 second run down the path from the POD
lift. It's the closest lift to the newbie area and at the top is the
closest vendor...who happens to also sell food & milk.
As soon as you have 7 or 8 gold (depending on your CHA) buy your first
backpack. There's a vendor in the bard guild (off the platform between the
newbie and POD lifts). There's probably a few other vendors but that's the
easiest one to point you to. In fact, most class guilds have a vendor who
sells containers.
Orcs and skeletons are the prime critters to kill...orcs can drop clothing,
containers, & weapons, and skels can drop weapons and bone chips. Bone
chips are great for selling to other players or for doing a paladin quest
based in Kaladim (dwarf town). Great experience at low levels.
Crash86
Dan Harmon said:
> That's because anti-social behavior is still frowned upon. Everquest is
> designed for adults. The men and women who play (as opposed to the 26 yr
> old boys) tend to expect that people respect them by respecting the rules.
I said that to my wife last night ... it seems like everyone I've met is
around my age. The proof is in the /ooc conversation. Things referenced in
an aside can tell a lot about a player.
As I thought about it, I wasn't sure how that has come to be ... if it was
by design, if the $10/month is a factor, or what. But it does seem like
there are a lot of gamers in EQ who are in their 30's as opposed to their
teens.
> Lots of exceptions, but this ain't Quake.
Or UT, or D2, or SC .... the list goes on and on. That's why I normally
wait a little while after a game comes out to hop on it. Let the landscape
form a bit, lurk a ng to see what the issues are (I had no idea that
'twinking' was such a big deal, for example), then decide try it or not.
For example, I had a feeling that I wouldn't really fit into the D2 crowd,
but it was a sharp enough game that I figured I'd try it anyway. One or two
online experiences with D2 was all it took to help me realize that, for me,
it's a really great single player game. I'm okay with that.
Crash86
Wow ... what a great site!!! Thanks a bunch for that ... I *really*
appreciate it. :-)
Lokari
<crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote:
>As I thought about it, I wasn't sure how that has come to be ... if it was
>by design, if the $10/month is a factor, or what. But it does seem like
>there are a lot of gamers in EQ who are in their 30's as opposed to their
>teens.
I'm going to guess that the existence of the rules made the game more
attractive initially to a larger number of adult players than it might
have without them. Once you've got that group, expecting the rules to
be followed, the game becomes rather un-fun for the kewlkidz. Sort of
a positive feedback loop.
Olaf
olaf
Crash86 <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Last night was my first night online.
>
> I swear, I was only going to play from 9:00 - 11:00. Logged off
Cazic-Thule
> at 1:00.
>
> This morning, when the kids went down for naps, I snuck on just long
enough
> to get my wood elven ranger to ding level 3.
>
> I heading back to Kelethin now.
>
> Help me ..............................
>
> ------------
> Crash86
>
> There's nothing wrong with ignorance, because ignorance is skin deep and
can
> be educated. Stupidity, on the other hand, is to the bone.
>
>
Lokari
>olaf
i sing of Olaf glad and big
whose warmest heart recoiled at war
he was a conscientious object-or
Dan Harmon
"Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote in message
> Or UT, or D2, or SC .... the list goes on and on. That's why I normally
> wait a little while after a game comes out to hop on it. Let the
landscape
> form a bit, lurk a ng to see what the issues are (I had no idea that
> 'twinking' was such a big deal, for example), then decide try it or not.
Twinking? Well, there will always be anti-twinking fanatics but most folks
will say "Hey, you earned it? Do with it what you want."
Though I do agree that anyone who is twinked to the hilt before level 6 (the
magic level where stuff doesn't disappear if you lose your corpse for more
than 30 minutes) deserve to lose their stuff if they're too stupid to
remember where they died.
And those who are twinked to the hilt who think that NOW they can solo a
level 10 critter at level 5 are too stupid to continue living. :)
Twinking should lessen the number of times you die if you have any brains at
all.
Twinking (or being able to twink) also should lessen the number of critters
the person loots...leaving more loot for those who need that 1 or 2 gold.
On the flipside a twink is slightly less likely to have all their skills
maxed by the time they level...but it shouldn't be by a noticeable amount if
the person is at all bright.
Chris Kasten
>
> Dan Harmon said:
> > I give directions whenever I'm in Gfay.
>
> Much appreciated. I was seriously considering going to Barnes & Noble and
> buying the strat guide just for the maps.
Gads no. visit www.eqatlas.com for much better maps.
<snip>
> Another newbie question ... which lift is considered the newbie lift? I
> usually use the one with the Priest of Discord. I'd seen a message about
> someone sharpening rusted blades for free at the newbie lift, but when I
> asked which lift it was the PC came to me instead. That was great, and I
> appreciated the free weapon work, but I still don't know which lift is the
> newbie lift.
You were at the newbie lift (by the priest).
--
Chris Kasten
http://www.kastenracing.com/chris/
icq# 76zero39three6
I love deadlines. I especially like the whooshing sound they make
as they go flying by.
Danielle
"Chris Kasten" <kas...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:7fidbtoghlthbku7k...@4ax.com...
> "Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> allegedly wrote:
>
> >
> > Dan Harmon said:
> > > I give directions whenever I'm in Gfay.
> >
> > Much appreciated. I was seriously considering going to Barnes & Noble
and
> > buying the strat guide just for the maps.
>
> Gads no. visit www.eqatlas.com for much better maps.
>
> <snip>
>
> > Another newbie question ... which lift is considered the newbie lift? I
> > usually use the one with the Priest of Discord. I'd seen a message
about
> > someone sharpening rusted blades for free at the newbie lift, but when I
> > asked which lift it was the PC came to me instead. That was great, and
I
> > appreciated the free weapon work, but I still don't know which lift is
the
> > newbie lift.
>
> You were at the newbie lift (by the priest).
on Tarew Marr, this one is referred to as the POD lift.
the newbie lift is the first lift that you'll see when travelling from
Felwithe to Kelethin. (follow the path from the pod lift to the right, and
you'll find the newbie lift)
not that this was asked, but the orc lift is the one near orc hill, in front
of the path to crushbone.
--
-=( Elissa Silver'Rain )=-
High Elf Wizard, Tarew Marr
Member of the Forest Shadows
Doug McNaught
> > Another newbie question ... which lift is considered the newbie lift? I
> > usually use the one with the Priest of Discord. I'd seen a message about
> > someone sharpening rusted blades for free at the newbie lift, but when I
> > asked which lift it was the PC came to me instead. That was great, and I
> > appreciated the free weapon work, but I still don't know which lift is the
> > newbie lift.
>
> You were at the newbie lift (by the priest).
No, that's the PoD lift. The newbie lift is to the south, closer to
Felwithe. The northernmost one (closest to Crushbone) is the "orc
lift".
-Doug
Chris Kasten
Huh - I was wrong! That's new... ;-)
On Rodcet Nife, at least with the current crowd, I was taught that the
Newbie lift was easily found because it had the PoD there.
Live and learn.
--
Chris Kasten
http://www.kastenracing.com/chris/
icq# 76zero39three6
If you drink, don't park; accidents cause people
Crash86
Dan Harmon <deha...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:POvt6.11916$227.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> Twinking? Well, there will always be anti-twinking fanatics but most
folks
> will say "Hey, you earned it? Do with it what you want."
That's pretty much my opinion. Was when I DM'ed, too. Of course, if someone
'loaned' something like a Rod of Lordly Might to a first level, there were
lots of fun ways to it not work as intended. <g>
> Though I do agree that anyone who is twinked to the hilt before level 6
(the
> magic level where stuff doesn't disappear if you lose your corpse for more
> than 30 minutes) deserve to lose their stuff if they're too stupid to
> remember where they died.
Agreed.
> And those who are twinked to the hilt who think that NOW they can solo a
> level 10 critter at level 5 are too stupid to continue living. :)
LOL. Also agreed.
And if I happen to group with some low level character who's twinked, and
should it start to get on my nerves, I can always find someone else to group
with. It seems to me that Norrath is too big of a place to let one bonehead
ruin your night .. just go somewhere else for a while.
Just my opinion, of course ..... <g>
Crash86
> I'm going to guess that the existence of the rules made the game more
> attractive initially to a larger number of adult players than it might
> have without them. Once you've got that group, expecting the rules to
> be followed, the game becomes rather un-fun for the kewlkidz. Sort of
> a positive feedback loop.
True. Also, the concept of quests means that there's not as much instant
gratification in EQ (compared to UT or Quake). Could be that's one reason
why UT and Quake are overrun with kewlkidz. Just a thought.
Heck, last night I was standing by the POD lift when someone started
chatting with me. Before long, I realized we'd been chatting for anout 30
minutes about realtively non-game related stuff. Frankly, that was as much
fun as running around splatting orcs. It was a different kind of fun, if
you know what I mean, but things like that are definitely a part of what
keeps me coming back.
Olaf
Lokari
>> i sing of Olaf glad and big
>> whose warmest heart recoiled at war
>> he was a conscientious object-or
>?
Sorry. One of my favorite poems. e. e. cummings.
Dan Harmon
"Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote in message
> And if I happen to group with some low level character who's twinked, and
> should it start to get on my nerves, I can always find someone else to
group
> with. It seems to me that Norrath is too big of a place to let one
bonehead
> ruin your night .. just go somewhere else for a while.
>
> Just my opinion, of course ..... <g>
Eh...if the PERSON isn't getting on your nerves but his equipment
is...sorry, but that's your problem, not his. :)
I wouldn't go so far as saying that your opinion is wrong...just that it's
not HIS fault that you don't like twinks.
Crash86
Well, you're right and you're wrong simulatneously.
You're right in the case I described above, it's the person and not the fact
that they're twinked that would be on my nerves. Depending on the situation
it could either their problem or mine (kind of like the old Martin Short
skit on SNL ... "Is it me, or is it him? It's him, isn't it??"). It's kind
of like the post about the free game in SoV yesterday. If a lot of folks
think PC Soandso is not a problem but I do, it's my problem (or vice versa).
In either case, I can control it by removing myself from the situation and
going somewhere else to spend my two hours in Norrath.
You're wrong in thinking that I don't like twinks. Twinking doesn't bother
me. My opinion is along the lines you stated earlier ... if you can do it
for another of your characters, more power to you. From a newguy
perspective, the issue reminds me of the Designated Hitter ... purists hate
it, but to everyone else it doesn't really matter one way or the other.
Crash86
Crash86 wrote:
>
> Well, you're right and you're wrong simulatneously.
Eh, in re-reading my post, my previous statement isn't true. You weren't
wrong ... I didn't state my original opinion very well, which lead to a
misunderstanding of my point. My bad.
My point was trying to be this: Could a twinked character be more likely to
do stuff (inadvertently or otherwise) that would get on my nerves
(kill-stealing due to some overpowered weapon, for example)? Perhaps. But
I don't think it warrants this orc-like hue and cry to abolish twinking.
Should that happen repeatedly, I can always hit the road. Norrath is a big
place.
I may not have done any better of a job explaining my position, I'm afraid.
Celaeno
>
>"Chris Kasten" <kas...@pobox.com> wrote in message
>news:7fidbtoghlthbku7k...@4ax.com...
>> "Crash86" <crash...@Shotmail.com> allegedly wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Another newbie question ... which lift is considered the newbie lift?
>> You were at the newbie lift (by the priest).
>
>on Tarew Marr, this one is referred to as the POD lift.
>the newbie lift is the first lift that you'll see when travelling from
>Felwithe to Kelethin. (follow the path from the pod lift to the right, and
>you'll find the newbie lift)
>not that this was asked, but the orc lift is the one near orc hill, in front
>of the path to crushbone.
On Erollisi Marr, the lifts are also called Orc lift, PoD lift, Newbie
lift. I think I've seen a different naming convention used *once* (and
I can't for the life of me remember what it was).
Celaeno Duskwalker
Fier'dal druid of twilight
Erollisi Marr
Flex Mentallo
<3ab7af1a...@news.world-online.no>:
>>> > Another newbie question ... which lift is considered the newbie
>>> > lift?
>
>>> You were at the newbie lift (by the priest).
>>
>>on Tarew Marr, this one is referred to as the POD lift.
>>the newbie lift is the first lift that you'll see when travelling from
>>Felwithe to Kelethin. (follow the path from the pod lift to the right,
>>and you'll find the newbie lift)
>>not that this was asked, but the orc lift is the one near orc hill, in
>>front of the path to crushbone.
>
>On Erollisi Marr, the lifts are also called Orc lift, PoD lift, Newbie
>lift. I think I've seen a different naming convention used *once* (and
>I can't for the life of me remember what it was).
I've seen "Stonehenge Lift". Perhaps that was it?
--
Flex Mentallo
Man of Muscle Mystery
"He can cloud men's minds with his biceps."
Remington Stone
}I've seen "Stonehenge Lift". Perhaps that was it?
I think I've most frequently seen the lift described herein as the newbie
lift referred to as 'the not the PoD or Orc lift, you know, the other one'
or some variant thereupon. But then, I don't spend that much time in GFay
since I got tired of making Trueshot bows.
[27 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti <Knights of IGF> (Gnome) Ayonae Ro
Richard Burge
> As soon as you have 7 or 8 gold (depending on your CHA) buy your first
> backpack. There's a vendor in the bard guild (off the platform between the
> newbie and POD lifts). There's probably a few other vendors but that's the
> easiest one to point you to. In fact, most class guilds have a vendor who
> sells containers.
Ack, don't buy those - they weigh a ton and cost too much. Toolboxes
sell for about a gold, hold the same and weigh 0.4 instead of 3.5, just
don't hit the combine button or you'll lose everything in it (but that
isn't really earth shatteringly devastating if its just newbie loot, its
not like you've lost an epic weapon or anything).
If you're dead set on getting 'real' containers, head over to
Butcherblock and fight the various goblins there - they often drop bags,
boxes and backpacks.
Dan Harmon
"Richard Burge" <rb_u...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1eqmf0e.1uxvazvun7ekmN@[10.0.0.64]...
> Dan Harmon <deha...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> > As soon as you have 7 or 8 gold (depending on your CHA) buy your first
> > backpack. There's a vendor in the bard guild (off the platform between
the
> > newbie and POD lifts). There's probably a few other vendors but that's
the
> > easiest one to point you to. In fact, most class guilds have a vendor
who
> > sells containers.
>
> Ack, don't buy those - they weigh a ton and cost too much. Toolboxes
> sell for about a gold, hold the same and weigh 0.4 instead of 3.5, just
> don't hit the combine button or you'll lose everything in it (but that
> isn't really earth shatteringly devastating if its just newbie loot, its
> not like you've lost an epic weapon or anything).
Unless you're a monk weight isn't a problem for a while unless you're stupid
enough to create a high elf cleric or something. :)
By the time you need to worry about weight it's time to start buying
halfling or wood elf sewing kits. Same 0.4 weight but holds *10* items and
the Combine button doesn't destroy stuff. The average cost seems to be
about 100p each (same as tailored backpacks).
Of course, since Verant DOES read this newsgroup on occasion the Combine
button will probably get "fixed," but until then they're the best containers
this side of a tinkerer's bag (NPC vendor only - 5250p with 115 CHA and
decent faction...holds 10 items and everything inside is weightless).
StanMann
Dan Harmon wrote:
>
> Unless you're a monk weight isn't a problem for a while unless you're stupid
> enough to create a high elf cleric or something. :)
>
> By the time you need to worry about weight it's time to start buying
> halfling or wood elf sewing kits. Same 0.4 weight but holds *10* items and
> the Combine button doesn't destroy stuff. The average cost seems to be
> about 100p each (same as tailored backpacks).
>
> Of course, since Verant DOES read this newsgroup on occasion the Combine
> button will probably get "fixed," but until then they're the best containers
> this side of a tinkerer's bag (NPC vendor only - 5250p with 115 CHA and
> decent faction...holds 10 items and everything inside is weightless).
For foodstuffs and small loot, spell components etc, get a grizzly bag,
also light weight, believe It has a weight reduce component??
That was the rumor.
StanMann
Dan Harmon
"StanMann" <stan...@not.there.anymore.com> wrote in message
news:3AB8D80A...@not.there.anymore.com...
> For foodstuffs and small loot, spell components etc, get a grizzly bag,
> also light weight, believe It has a weight reduce component??
>
> That was the rumor.
How many small things are heavy that you'd need weight reduction? :)
I assume you're talking about the bearskin potion bag...10 slots. Don't
know the weight of it or if the Combine button is disabled (doubt it) but
it's certainly a less expensive solution for most people...assuming the
weight is no more than 1#, even without weight reduction properties.
StanMann
That is what I was refering to, as a Ranger, its handy to have a
different looking bag to keep my forage/jewelry(tailor) in for easy
access, everything else is either backpacks(10 slot) or sewing kits and
my fletching kit.
StanMann
Ray Rocker
Crash86 <crash...@Shotmail.com> wrote:
>
>My point was trying to be this: Could a twinked character be more likely to
>do stuff (inadvertently or otherwise) that would get on my nerves
>(kill-stealing due to some overpowered weapon, for example)? Perhaps.
Only one time in my 14 months of playing EQ have I resented twinks:
in an orc wall group in Highpass, my group and another group were
attacking the same spawns. The other group had two warriors wielding
exe axes, which allowed them to take just about every kill. Oh, I
was pissed.
This was back in the pre-Kunark days when two groups KSing each
other at the Highpass orc wall was de rigeur. Hopefully that
nonsense is now a thing of the past.
--
Ray Rocker
roc...@datasync.com
Ray Rocker
Remington Stone <ez06...@logan.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>I think I've most frequently seen the lift described herein as the newbie
>lift referred to as 'the not the PoD or Orc lift, you know, the other one'
>or some variant thereupon. But then, I don't spend that much time in GFay
>since I got tired of making Trueshot bows.
Apparently, different zone nomenclature develops on different servers.
Recently, I was talking to a friend who plays on a different server
about hunting in Karnor's. We found that some of the camp spots in
that zone have different names on his server (The Nameless?) than
mine (Tunare).
--
Ray Rocker
roc...@datasync.com
Ray Rocker
Richard Burge <rb_u...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>Dan Harmon <deha...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>> As soon as you have 7 or 8 gold (depending on your CHA) buy your first
>> backpack. There's a vendor in the bard guild (off the platform between the
>> newbie and POD lifts). There's probably a few other vendors but that's the
>> easiest one to point you to. In fact, most class guilds have a vendor who
>> sells containers.
>
>Ack, don't buy those - they weigh a ton and cost too much. Toolboxes
>sell for about a gold, hold the same and weigh 0.4 instead of 3.5, just
>don't hit the combine button or you'll lose everything in it (but that
>isn't really earth shatteringly devastating if its just newbie loot, its
>not like you've lost an epic weapon or anything).
Another bonus of Toolboxes is that they hold giant-sized items,
like large sewing kits do. Backpacks only hold large-sized items.
I found this out yesterday playing on Test, where they have just
added size attributes (tiny, small, large, giant) to the right-click
display of any item or container. For an item you would see, for
example, "SIZE: LARGE", and for a container you might see
"ITEM CAPACITY: LARGE".
Nice addition, hope it gets to the production servers soon.
--
Ray Rocker
roc...@datasync.com
Sam Posten
I've always hated most poetry but e.e. at least interested me.
Never read Olaf but probably his best in my mind was 'Anybody'
Anyone lived in a pretty how town,
(with up so many floating bells down)
spring summer autumn winter
he sang his didnt he danced his did
For near complete jibberish its very visual...
http://www.imsa.edu/~junkee/Cummings/Poems/anyone.txt
Sam
m0oni
> By the time you need to worry about weight it's time to start buying
> halfling or wood elf sewing kits. Same 0.4 weight but holds *10* items
and
> the Combine button doesn't destroy stuff. The average cost seems to be
> about 100p each (same as tailored backpacks).
I've always been afraid to get anything with a combine button. That's a
great idea. Thanks, Dan.
Eric San Juan
>
> Dan Harmon wrote:
> >
<snip>
> > I assume you're talking about the bearskin potion bag...10 slots. Don't
> > know the weight of it or if the Combine button is disabled (doubt it)
but
> > it's certainly a less expensive solution for most people...assuming the
> > weight is no more than 1#, even without weight reduction properties.
>
> That is what I was refering to, as a Ranger, its handy to have a
> different looking bag to keep my forage/jewelry(tailor) in for easy
> access, everything else is either backpacks(10 slot) or sewing kits and
> my fletching kit.
I've used the Tax Collection Box from Qeynos for this since level 2. Ten
slots, seems to hold medium items (I think), and stands out in my inventory
from the load of backpacks I carry. Very handy, as long as you're careful
about the combine button.
Oh. And it's free.
Celaeno
>cel...@shavenwookie.nospam.com (Celaeno) wrote in
><3ab7af1a...@news.world-online.no>:
>>On Erollisi Marr, the lifts are also called Orc lift, PoD lift, Newbie
>>lift. I think I've seen a different naming convention used *once* (and
>>I can't for the life of me remember what it was).
>
>I've seen "Stonehenge Lift". Perhaps that was it?
Yeah, thanks.
David Van Cleef
Dan Harmon wrote:
>
>"StanMann" <stan...@not.there.anymore.com> wrote in message
>news:3AB8D80A...@not.there.anymore.com...
>
>> For foodstuffs and small loot, spell components etc, get a grizzly bag,
>> also light weight, believe It has a weight reduce component??
>>
>> That was the rumor.
>
>How many small things are heavy that you'd need weight reduction? :)
>
Bricks/blocks of ore come to mind immediately.
Richard Burge
> > By the time you need to worry about weight it's time to start buying
> > halfling or wood elf sewing kits. Same 0.4 weight but holds *10* items
> and
> > the Combine button doesn't destroy stuff. The average cost seems to be
> > about 100p each (same as tailored backpacks).
>
> I've always been afraid to get anything with a combine button. That's a
> great idea. Thanks, Dan.
If you're a cheapskate, I believe the new Erudite sewing kit's combine
button doesn't chew up items (I haven't tested this with an Erudite -
all other races get 'only Erudites may use this sewing kit'). It weighs
0.4 and holds 8 items like a standard sewing kit, and is available from
vendors in Erudin and Paineel for the same price as a regular sewing kit
(a plat and a bit). Expect them to nerf this and make it a difficult to
smith item instead sometime soon...
So now you have a cheap, safe alternative to those
backpacks-tailored-from-lead.
Richard Burge
> > For foodstuffs and small loot, spell components etc, get a grizzly bag,
> > also light weight, believe It has a weight reduce component??
> >
> > That was the rumor.
>
> How many small things are heavy that you'd need weight reduction? :)
>
> I assume you're talking about the bearskin potion bag...10 slots. Don't
> know the weight of it or if the Combine button is disabled (doubt it) but
> it's certainly a less expensive solution for most people...assuming the
> weight is no more than 1#, even without weight reduction properties.
I assume he's talking about the tailored large bag, six large slots,
made from a low quality bearskin and a silk cord.
This has minimal weight reduction - something like 5 or 10%
georg
No- the grizzly bag is tailored from a grizzly skin and a silk cord.
This is a 10-slot container that only holds small items and has the
combine button. The purpose is to combine several identical potions into
one several-use potion. Allegedly, anyone can use it.
-Tirra
Richard Burge
I know how to tailor a bearsking potion bag, thankyou, that's what
someone suggested beforehand. However, this item doesn't have any weight
reduction, it is used for combining potions, which is why I thought that
it may have been confused with the tailored large bag, which is, well, a
bag, and has weight reduction.
Dan Harmon
"David Van Cleef" <d...@gol.com> wrote in message
news:slrn9bilo...@1u.aeug.org...
> >How many small things are heavy that you'd need weight reduction? :)
> >
>
> Bricks/blocks of ore come to mind immediately.
Yeah, that came to my mind immediately too. And that was it...just those
things.
My brother keeps spare specialty armor on his 56 cleric at all times and the
stuff probably weighs 20# or more. He has SOME 6-slot small-only weight
reducer (EE bag? I forget) in which none of his heavy stuff fits. He'd
probably be better off to just dump the stupid bag & all his backpacks and
buy a few Fier Dal/Vale sewing kits. I've told him that he really really
needs a tinkerer's bag or two but he can't afford it (at level 56 he has 2kp
in the bank...those damned peridots that he never gets 100% reimbursed for
are EXPENSIVE).