[DK1] Help on level 13 (Buffy Oak)
Jonathan Ellis
room around the gem block, build a lair which is open to the lava, find
a fly and possess it to fly around and get the four unaligned dragons,
make a library and set the four dragons there to research up to a bridge
then get everyone (mostly dragons, bile demons and warlocks at this
stage) training, get loads more imps, bridge backwards to the gold at
the back and forwards over the lava to the big open space surrounded by
gold.
And then I hit problems. Both my enemies seem to be more powerful
than me, and they dig through to the centre before I get the chance to
claim all the area, or even half of it (and this is with my imps and
researchers speeded up as soon as I get the spell, likewise the people
training.) Now, if I could just claim *all* the area, get into their
corridors and fortify enough to put a trap behind a door, I would be
okay. But I can't, their imps are breaking through in two different
directions (one from the green dungeon, one from the blues - and they're
not fighting, they're allied against me) before I even get the chance,
my bile demons get splatted by lightning before I can re-centre on them
to heal them, and meanwhile a level 7 dragon (green - where the hell did
he come from? I've only had time to train up to level 3, and that's with
my first set of minions) is having my imps for breakfast before I get
the chance to pull them out of combat. I drop my entire army of level 3
dragons and bile demons on him, lose half of them while the warlocks get
as far as the lightning spell, finally nail him with it, and meanwhile
find that the blues have an army of level 6-7-8 bile demons and dragons
waiting for me. Pretty soon, I get driven entirely out of the central
area, usually before I've even got as far as researching the Workshop.
But I dare not hold back on claiming the central area so I can get the
workshop first (to build the traps to stop enemies coming in) as they
will get in first. I've tried heading for the corners (for the
specials), I've tried heading through the middle to spread out in both
directions, and nothing works...
This is with the Gold Edition, by the way (with an AI patch, so
that the enemy is more intelligent and learns the virtue of, for
instance, digging out gold.) Meanwhile, I don't have enough space to put
a treasure room for all the gold I'm mining, so it gets left lying on
the ground for me to either (a) sweep up by hand, thus having to take my
attention off the constant conflict that doesn't stop because their
level 7 dragon is chasing my imps around, which means that *their* imps
can claim whatever they like, or else I let them have it... I did once
make the effort to continue after being driven out of the central area:
I spend *ages* training 11 dragons, 9 warlocks, 5 trolls and 3
mistresses, possibly more, certainly there were no new creatures coming
from the portal and I gave up on hellhounds when I couldn't keep them in
my own dungeon - up to level 10 each (no bile demons, alas, every time I
got a level 1 demon the enemy hit it with lightning faster than I could
heal it, I would take time off to separate my vampires from the
warlocks - they wouldn't train properly anyway - and my bile demon would
be *gone* and there would be another corpse in the graveyard): I even
trained all my imps up to level 5-9 for faster land claiming, I made a
huge scavenger room and *not one* enemy creature joined my side from all
the level 10 creatures working in it, I finally bridged over to the
central area and set all my imps - speeded and concealed - loose
claiming land, and then dropped my invasion force in when the enemy
dropped his. I even spent time nailing all the blue keeper's level 10
bile demons to the floor with lightning, but couldn't make a dent in his
level 10 dragons as they healed themselves. And what happened? The whole
lot were massacred apart from one solitary level 3 imp who made it back
to land. Every time I thought I'd finished them, suddenly a whole load
more creatures would drop in on me because I couldn't claim enough
territory in time and was having to fight on their territory instead of
mine... *sob*
Obviously the main killer in this situation is the level 7 enemy
dragon who turned up right at the start, long before anyone had had time
to actually train creatures up beyond level 3 (or research the Heal
spell, so I could keep my own creatures simply battling him.) Without
that particular dragon, I might have been able to actually keep my imps
in the field and grab and hold the area. And my enemies also seem to
have a shitload more imps than I do, and I bought up to 28 at one stage
(just before setting off the Increase Level) in the desperate hope of
claiming the area fast enough... And on the one occasion I *did* manage
to claim the area, the damn fools wouldn't fortify the walls even when I
left the gold untagged, they just wandered around doing nothing until
the enemy broke through the walls - with the level 7 dragon that I'd
been able to *see* (with Sight of Evil) but not nail (as I hadn't
researched Lightning yet), and a bunch of other bile demons and dragons,
and loads of enemy imps, enemy imps don't actually seem to be scared of
combat the way mine are, but hang around claiming territory no more than
two squares away...
So can anybody help? What am I doing wrong?
Jonathan.
Chazz
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> Did you manage to transfer a creature in from the previous level?
> I find a level 10 mistress is always good value.
Really? I prefer to bring in a Warlock/Wizard/Dragon if I can, so I can get
a good head start on the researching.
> http://www.dkeeper2.net/dkeeper/level13.htm
>
> Has a walk through.
>
> I have finished the game a few times, but can never remember all the
levels.
> My guess is that where the gems are, you build a treasury, then a lair and
> a hatchery and a library and a training room. Reinforce your walls by
> dropping the
> imps by them, slap them as well to make them work faster get studying,
> when a bridge is build over to you drop an imp on it, get hime to claim
it,
> then sell it
> and drop some of the enemy into the fire.
>
> I think with this level, I built out ffrom the top, and walked/tunnelled
> around
> to the left.
>
> Any help? Is this the level where you have a group of rooms stuck
togeather
> horozontialy about 1/3 of the way down the screen (well near the top
anyway)
>
> Antony
>
>
>
> "Jonathan Ellis" <jona...@franz-liszt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Antony Wardle
I find a level 10 mistress is always good value.
http://www.dkeeper2.net/dkeeper/level13.htm
Has a walk through.
I have finished the game a few times, but can never remember all the levels.
My guess is that where the gems are, you build a treasury, then a lair and
a hatchery and a library and a training room. Reinforce your walls by
dropping the
imps by them, slap them as well to make them work faster get studying,
when a bridge is build over to you drop an imp on it, get hime to claim it,
then sell it
and drop some of the enemy into the fire.
I think with this level, I built out ffrom the top, and walked/tunnelled
around
to the left.
Any help? Is this the level where you have a group of rooms stuck togeather
horozontialy about 1/3 of the way down the screen (well near the top anyway)
Antony
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Antony Wardle
Plus warlocks get upset if you slap them.
I had thought about trying to go through the game again
by transferring in a different level 10 character except
the vampire into level 20 of course!
Antony
"Chazz" <Chazb...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jonathan Ellis
Antony Wardle wrote in message ...
>Did you manage to transfer a creature in from the previous level?
>I find a level 10 mistress is always good value.
level. It was the one time I managed to claim the entire central area,
only to find that my *bloody* imps wouldn't fortify the walls on the far
side, not even when there was no gold tagged for removal, not even when
I picked them up and dropped them right next to the unfortified walls
and slapped them. Maybe next time, as well as doing that, I'll transfer
operations over wholesale from the pre-built dungeon and put training
rooms and lairs right next to the places where the enemy comes out...
and yes, my dragon lairs are right next to lava.
Also... Why is it not possible to tag a creature "do not pick up"?
What I want to do is leave my 12 imps mining the single gem square
(three to a side) to keep the cash coming in, while picking up all the
random stragglers who are doing nothing. But picking up creatures from
the list simply does not do that.
>http://www.dkeeper2.net/dkeeper/level13.htm
>Has a walk through.
Jonathan.
Dragongreeneyes
wizards in your prison as soon as youget it to get skeletons, I don't have
the gold version, (I am soooooo jelous) but on the previous level I beleive
there is a transfer creature.
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VampyreHunter "D"
> > I find a level 10 mistress is always good value.
>
> Really? I prefer to bring in a Warlock/Wizard/Dragon if I can, so I can
get
> a good head start on the researching.
I always choose a level 10 vampire (if its available) over any other
creature, even a level 10 horned reaper. In my opinion, the level 10 vampire
is THE best all round creature in DK1. He can research, scavenge and also
fight very well.
--
VampyreHunter "D"
"Annoying! Annoying! Annoying! You're just so bleeding annoying!" - Ryuji
Yamazaki
"I saw right through you like...well, something transparent" - Joe Higashi
Dragongreeneyes
leaving your lesser imps to dig
"Jonathan Ellis" <jona...@franz-liszt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Antony Wardle wrote in message ...
> >Did you manage to transfer a creature in from the previous level?
> >I find a level 10 mistress is always good value.
> The first time I tried it, I had a level 7 dragon from the previous
> level. It was the one time I managed to claim the entire central area,
> only to find that my *bloody* imps wouldn't fortify the walls on the far
> side, not even when there was no gold tagged for removal, not even when
> I picked them up and dropped them right next to the unfortified walls
> and slapped them. Maybe next time, as well as doing that, I'll transfer
> operations over wholesale from the pre-built dungeon and put training
> rooms and lairs right next to the places where the enemy comes out...
> and yes, my dragon lairs are right next to lava.
> Also... Why is it not possible to tag a creature "do not pick up"?
> What I want to do is leave my 12 imps mining the single gem square
> (three to a side) to keep the cash coming in, while picking up all the
> random stragglers who are doing nothing. But picking up creatures from
> the list simply does not do that.
>
> >http://www.dkeeper2.net/dkeeper/level13.htm
> >Has a walk through.
>
>
> Jonathan.
>
>
Jonathan Ellis
Dragongreeneyes wrote in message ...
>oh just train up a bunch to three or four and then when you need to use
them
>leaving your lesser imps to dig
up imps by hand is simply *TOO SLOW*, so you go to the list of creatures
and pick them up there. It seems to work totally randomly - whether
picking them up by clicking on the "imp" symbol, or by clicking on the
"working/fighting/???" columns, the result seems to be totally random.
I've heard it said that this *should* pick up the most powerful, and
least powerful imps, but in fact it picks up a totally random
collection - some level 5, some 3, some 1, and my one and only level 9
imp that had for some reason never got picked out of the training
room... And I have difficulty picking creatures out of battles as well,
or targetting them in battles to heal or speed them. And my dragons
don't seem to understand how to use their heal-self power on their own,
nor to realise that when their flame is not damaging an enemy they have
to actually *stop*, then re-start breathing (a game bug IMHO, dragons
should be able to adjust their aim without stopping breathing. I
discovered this in the first secret level - some of the time the enemy
flashes red, meaning the flame is hitting him, some of the time it
doesn't: and how quickly the enemy dies depends not on how long I'm
breathing at him (even if he's right in front of me) but on how long he
flashes red, and merely moving around does *nothing* to change the
situation from "enemy is not flashing red" to "enemy is flashing red".
Jonathan.
Jon deMalo
<dragong...@yahoo.cm> wrote about Re: [DK1] Help on level 13
(Buffy Oak):
>one thing I have learned is that if you have dragons and wizards, stick the
>wizards in your prison as soon as youget it to get skeletons, I don't have
>the gold version, (I am soooooo jelous) but on the previous level I beleive
>there is a transfer creature.
>"Jonathan Ellis" <jona...@franz-liszt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> I have a problem with this level. I can start okay - get a treasure
>> room around the gem block, build a lair which is open to the lava, find
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