Heretic VS Doom
Robert Pittana
My friend thinks Heretic is. I think Doom is. My reasons, well heres a
few:
* Better weapons. Nothing better than the sound of a shotgun ringing in
your ears.
* Better graphics. The monsters in Doom seem more realistic whilst the
ones in Heretic seem to have an arcade game quality to them. Plus, how
many times have you shot a Heretic monster out the window.
The only thing Heretic has got going for it is the sound and the fact that
you can look up and down. Other than that the fact you dont have to use
items as soon as you pick em up is pretty cool. But all in all Doom is the
original and I think it won't be until Quake comes along that there will
be something better.
Viva la Doom!!
-Rob
Peter T. Caffin
: So what does everybody think. Is Heretic or Doom better ?
: My friend thinks Heretic is. I think Doom is. My reasons, well heres a
: few:
: * Better weapons. Nothing better than the sound of a shotgun ringing in
: your ears.
Agreed, though I still think the plasma-rifle sound is _very_ dickie.
: * Better graphics. The monsters in Doom seem more realistic whilst the
: ones in Heretic seem to have an arcade game quality to them. Plus, how
: many times have you shot a Heretic monster out the window.
Also agreed, to a point. I do like the death-dance for the mummies, but,
the many of the animated sprites do seem, well, dickie.
: The only thing Heretic has got going for it is the sound and the fact that
: you can look up and down. Other than that the fact you dont have to use
: items as soon as you pick em up is pretty cool. But all in all Doom is the
: original and I think it won't be until Quake comes along that there will
: be something better.
One thing I would have liked to have seen in Heretic was the `low-detail'
option from Doom. Although I'm running a DX2-66, I've also got an old
early '93 Oak ISA SVGA card. I like full-screen, and I'd rather
sacrifice graphics detail for a very smoothe frame-rate. Yeah, yeah.
I'd like to upgrade, but, I don't have the cash, okay?
As it stands, I enjoy playing Doom more because of the low-detail option..
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>: The only thing Heretic has got going for it is the sound and the fact that
>: you can look up and down. Other than that the fact you dont have to use
>: items as soon as you pick em up is pretty cool. But all in all Doom is the
>: original and I think it won't be until Quake comes along that there will
>: be something better.
I would have been happier if they kept the speaker driver...I dont have a sound
card yet (got a PS/2) but soon I will have the Audiovation and SB16 installed. :)
Anyone know of a speaker patch?
I have a disney sound source also...sort of used alot in apogee games.
Chris
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> Actually, I've blown monsters off of stuff with the crossbow, and I think
> the monsters in Heretic have better movement than the monsters in Doom.
> I agree with you about the weapoons, except the gloves in Heretic, they
> kick ass over any weapon in Doom, plus the power-up is cool.
I'm kind of split, DOOMs art is the best I have seen in any game on any
computer, but Heretics art (seeming more cartoony, unlike DOOM photo-realistic
attempt) fits nicely and consistantly with it's genere (I guess it reminds me
of the old D&D cartoon :)).
I also like the changes they have made to the exe, looking up/down is cool, I
*love* the shadowed creatures - looks way better than DOOMs equiv. They have
y-clipping so you can run under monsters - that often annoys me in DOOM when I
hit a caco thats 20m above me. Being able to store artifacts rather than
immediately use them is nice. And flying *looks* good - if you are watching
another player flying, it looks really nice - not such a big deal if you are
flying. As for weapons, I think the etheral crossbow and guantlets are as nice
as the DOOM equiv.
Heretic also has nice 'finishing touches' like water current, splashes,
background sound etc (well all know that I suppose)
On the gameplay side I can't comment much, I play DM in DOOM heaps but havn't
done it in Heretic. looking up and down will make Thing weapons useable at
different elevations (ie in DOOM if a guy is above you, you have to aim at
them for the missle to rise at them - if they are running (ie 99% chance) this
is useless because you have to be able to aim ahead of them)
The Cookie Monster
Gabriel Velasco
: So what does everybody think. Is Heretic or Doom better ?
The engine is better. The Doom engine is a subset of the Heretic
engine. They could implement Doom with the Heretic engine. In fact a
doom3.wad for Heretic would be an easy way for them to do Doom 3.
: My friend thinks Heretic is. I think Doom is. My reasons, well heres a
: few:
: * Better weapons. Nothing better than the sound of a shotgun ringing in
: your ears.
I don't know. The gloves are pretty cool. The etherial crossbow has a
nice ring to it.
: * Better graphics. The monsters in Doom seem more realistic whilst the
: ones in Heretic seem to have an arcade game quality to them.
That's just in keeping with the genre. I though the movement of the
Heretic monsters was more realistic. Especially the fact that some of
them can fly. I think the Heretic monsters die better too.
: Plus, how
: many times have you shot a Heretic monster out the window.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. The Heretic monsters are thrown
back by the impact of your shots. I'm pretty sure they can be pushed
out of windows. They can certainly be shot through windows.
: The only thing Heretic has got going for it is the sound and the fact that
: you can look up and down. Other than that the fact you dont have to use
: items as soon as you pick em up is pretty cool.
You sound like the Monty Python Holy Inquisition skit.
Our chief weapon is suprise ... suprise and ruthless
efficency. Our two chief weapons are suprise, ruthless
efficency, and a fanatical devotion to the Pope. THREE! Our
three chief weapons are ...
You just mentioned three things that Heretic has going for it. Better
sound, a better graphics engine, and better inventory management. Few
people would argue with those things. In addition, many people think
it has better animation, better weapons, and better monsters.
: But all in all Doom is the
: original and I think it won't be until Quake comes along that there will
: be something better.
So if Heretic was the original and Doom was just a Heretic wad, Heretic
would be better? Being the original doesn't automatically make you
better. In fact, I think Dark Forces has several things going over
both Heretic and Doom. If they had a multiplayer version of that, it
might be the game to beat.
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>In article <3hrggu$1...@mazda.cssc-woll.tansu.com.au>,
>Robert Pittana <rob...@cssc-woll.tansu.com.au> wrote:
>>So what does everybody think. Is Heretic or Doom better ?
>>My friend thinks Heretic is. I think Doom is. My reasons, well heres a
>>few:
>>
>>* Better graphics. The monsters in Doom seem more realistic whilst the
>>ones in Heretic seem to have an arcade game quality to them. Plus, how
>>many times have you shot a Heretic monster out the window.
>>
>
>Actually, I've blown monsters off of stuff with the crossbow, and I think
>the monsters in Heretic have better movement than the monsters in Doom.
>I agree with you about the weapoons, except the gloves in Heretic, they
>kick ass over any weapon in Doom, plus the power-up is cool.
>
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Heretic is also really cool because of the inventory. Unlike Doom, in Heretic you
can pick up a powerup and save it for when you really need it. In Doom, if you're
in the dark and pick up an item, you won't know what it is- in Heretic, you just
check your inventory. In heretic you also fly, look up, look down, and it's 10
times more fun to ambush Deathmatch fools from above! The tome of power is really
useful in deathmatch, by the way.
(: -* HARDCORE HERETIC HELL-LOVIN' DEATH HUNTER *- :)
-Service with a smile!
-Garrett
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Darren Douglas
> Heretic is also really cool because of the inventory. Unlike Doom, in Heretic you
> can pick up a powerup and save it for when you really need it. In Doom, if you're
> in the dark and pick up an item, you won't know what it is- in Heretic, you just
> check your inventory. In heretic you also fly, look up, look down, and it's 10
> times more fun to ambush Deathmatch fools from above! The tome of power is really
> useful in deathmatch, by the way.
>
You missed the ultimate is deathmatches. The Morph Orb, turn your friend into
a chicken....
Darren
(Cluck cluck cluck) ZAPP....
Roman Yakymchuk
R>So what does everybody think. Is Heretic or Doom better ?
>My friend thinks Heretic is. I think Doom is. My reasons, well heres a
>few:
Heretic IS better.
R>* Better weapons. Nothing better than the sound of a shotgun ringing in
>your ears.
Heretic has better weapons... And more weapons... Each of the 7 weapons
have a powered up mode. Bringing the total to 14! Plus there are a lot
of artifacts that act like weapons. The time bomb for example.
R>* Better graphics. The monsters in Doom seem more realistic whilst the
>ones in Heretic seem to have an arcade game quality to them. Plus, how
>many times have you shot a Heretic monster out the window.
Again, in my opinion the graphics in Heretic are better. I like the
fantasy setting and the textures are better! I would rather fight a
flying gargoyle then some human with a gun any day!
R>The only thing Heretic has got going for it is the sound and the fact that
>you can look up and down. Other than that the fact you dont have to use
>items as soon as you pick em up is pretty cool. But all in all Doom is the
>original and I think it won't be until Quake comes along that there will
>be something better.
And that flying is just the best! It rules to play deathmatch in the
air!
R>Viva la Heretic!!
>-Rob
I agree! 8-]
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Heretic but might be interested...).
Thanks..
Rob Danskin
> How does the animation in Heretic compare to Doom? (I haven't seen
> Heretic but might be interested...).
>
> Thanks..
>
Did you ever see a game called ShadowCaster?
Well, if the answer is yes...
Heretic is basically the DOOM engine, but with the ability to look and down,
and let you fly, and with the graphic 'style' of ShadowCaster. The graphics
were done by the same people as SC.. Raven Software.
Oh.. and of course with whole game set in a 'medievel fantasy' environment.
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Kfluxus
Better graphics & sound. The weapons are devestating and the mercury mode
(flight) is THE best. More challenging levels, Very Interesting. THIS
game's multi-player mode should be a hell of a time.
You can choose between 4 characters. Decent power-ups etc. One
problem, you can't carry more than one missle-weapon! (Also: God, dog,
mushroom, and elastic modes.)
Fuzzbee000
if in real combat. I do think the Heretic's creatures are better. All I
know is that I love them both and nothing can touch id when it comes to
3D-Games
dcd
No way, ROTT gets boring fast. Flying in Heretic is better. All the
bouncing up and down In ROTT is downright silly. Some of the weapons are
cool in ROTT, but they all seem the same after a while. The blood is
nice, but the graphics are not better than Doom 2 or Heretic. The levels
are more challenging in ROTT, but they get so boring after a while. The
last boss is so stupid. If you don't get all the eggs, he says "Youuuuu
Suuuuck" at the end, which is exactly what I think of ROTT. Lame ending,
and lame end boss. Heretic is the best deathmatch.
Cheesebread
> Kfluxus (kfl...@aol.com) wrote:
> > A game that's better than Heretic and Doom is Rise Of The Triad........
> > Better graphics & sound. The weapons are devestating and the mercury mode
> > (flight) is THE best. More challenging levels, Very Interesting. THIS
> > game's multi-player mode should be a hell of a time.
> > You can choose between 4 characters. Decent power-ups etc. One
> > problem, you can't carry more than one missle-weapon! (Also: God, dog,
> > mushroom, and elastic modes.)
ROTT is a sack of shit compared to Heretic. Heretic has really
exquisite 'organic' looking levels, great efffects (smoke from lava or th
Phoenix rod) and well drawn enemies. ROTT's enemies are a complete
embarassment! Oh, I could go on, but why bother? D'sparil is so cool!