ROTT vs. HERETIC vs. DOOM2!
David Conrad
Hi everyone, I just got ROTT and HERETIC yesterday,
AND Heretic is so awesome!! It is every bit as fun as doom2 and it has
really cool weapons! I haven't tried DMATCH yet but I think that since
I've played doom for so long I will give up doom to play heretic more.
As for ROTT, well franckly It sucks!
I know some people will flame me, but I just don't like it.
For one thing I can't get the DAMN SFX to work. For another thing it is
slower then molassas. I played it on a 486/66 with 4 megs of ram and it
want to the hard drive way to much! The music was also very annoying. I
think that apogee thought I know lets make the game as bloody as possible
and people will like it!!! NOT it is like mortal kombat. It is a boring
game with a lot of blood.
If you havent played the beta version of heretic it is so
awesome!!!!!!!! everyone has to try it.
Well,
Sorry apogee but ID wins again :)
David Conrad
con...@teleport.com
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: As for ROTT, well franckly It sucks!
: I know some people will flame me, but I just don't like it.
: For one thing I can't get the DAMN SFX to work. For another thing it is
: slower then molassas. I played it on a 486/66 with 4 megs of ram and it
: want to the hard drive way to much! The music was also very annoying. I
: think that apogee thought I know lets make the game as bloody as possible
: and people will like it!!! NOT it is like mortal kombat. It is a boring
: game with a lot of blood.
I'll have to agree with you with this. All hype and not much to back it
up. Maybe I'm biased now but I too though Heretic was a much better game
than ROTT. Don't even have a strafe left and right by keyboard with one
button. I ran mine on a 486 DX2-66 w/ 16Mb of RAM and it's slow compared
to DOOM and Heretic. Apogee will say that they didn't want to
make it run that fast probably. I haven't tried Comm-Bat yet. This is
the second game out by Apogee that has broken GM support. First it was
Boppin' and now this. At least with Boppin' you can select the cheesy
WaveBlaster and get somewhat MIDI sounds. I can't get GM to work at all
on my SB16 + Korg db upgrade.
Bryant Fong
(flying and looking up/down) in small ways. So even though Heretic is
just a little bit better, it is still better than Doom. ROTT, imho, is
pretty crappy. The weapons are kinda nice, but you don't get a chainsaw
or gloves of the necromancer..*sigh* And the levels are pretty
confusing..they aren't in a 'straight line' where everything comes one
after another. And, more importantly, there are no 'strafe left' and
'strafe right' keys, just 'strafe'. Thats my biggest gripe, enough to
stop me from playing it over Doom. However, the 11 player network
feature is really cool, if you can find 10 other people to network
to... 5-on-5 anyone? ROTT has neat features like jumping off the
cliff, blowing holes in walls, fire/spears from the floor (asbestos
armor/etc), moving fire walls, etc...but Doom still wins imho.
Especially since ROTT doesn't support external wads to my knowledge.
You have to buy that package from them which I'm not willing to pay $10
for the Power Pack in order to create levels.. Not to mention the game
is pretty hard on easy skill levels. :)
1) Heretic
2) Doom ][
3) Doom
4) Rise of the Triad
5) Wolf 3-D
6) Blakestone
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The Red Flame [Lapse]
: >>While, of course, Descent sneaks up undetected by all and blows
: everything
: away...
: It did kind of sneak up on us when we weren't looking, didn't it? We were
: looking forward to all these Doom clones when Descent comes along and does
: stuff we weren't expecting to see until Quake!
Well, what the freak is it, and where do I get it?*grumble*
Matt L McCabe
: AND Heretic is so awesome!! It is every bit as fun as doom2 and it has
: really cool weapons! I haven't tried DMATCH yet but I think that since
: I've played doom for so long I will give up doom to play heretic more.
I will admit Heretic is faster, but Doom2 is so much more fun, I just
think Heretic, at least where I've gotten to, has less to offer. Doom
has more colors, sounds, etc. That may not make the game, but it does
count a bit. Plus blowing away people is more fun than flying red
bats... :)
: As for ROTT, well franckly It sucks!
Where can I get ROTT on the net?
And the full release of Heretic is out. Look for the file HTIC_V10.ZIP -
it was uploaded to a locl BBS near me today.
Yeah... the Buttnut
: AND Heretic is so awesome!! It is every bit as fun as doom2 and it has
: really cool weapons! I haven't tried DMATCH yet but I think that since
: I've played doom for so long I will give up doom to play heretic more.
Heretic is the best pwad out there. Unfortunately, you have to pay to
get all the levels. I can't believe it took this long to put this game
out! Christ, why didnt they just use dmaud deu etc...
: As for ROTT, well franckly It sucks!
Frankly, I think you're wrong. I don't like the levels too much
(especially level 2); mostly due to the 90 degree limitation. The
gameplay is okay for 1 player (ie: if I wasnt already sick of playing 1
player doom, I would no doubt love this). The cool part of the game is
that most of the weapons seem designed for deathmatch. Heat seeking
missle? Wow.
: I know some people will flame me, but I just don't like it.
: For one thing I can't get the DAMN SFX to work. For another thing it is
: slower then molassas. I played it on a 486/66 with 4 megs of ram and it
: want to the hard drive way to much! The music was also very annoying. I
: think that apogee thought I know lets make the game as bloody as possible
: and people will like it!!! NOT it is like mortal kombat. It is a boring
: game with a lot of blood.
Mine works great (BTW this game requires 8 meg, so thats probably your prob.)
If you don't like the music (I don't very much, but I don't like any game
music too much, even tho I have gmidi) turn it off.
As for blood, the level is variable. If it offends you, just turn it down.
: If you havent played the beta
version of heretic it is so : awesome!!!!!!!! everyone has to try it.
Played it. Like I said: Nice Pwad.
: David Conrad
: con...@teleport.com
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Yeah... the Buttnut
: I'll have to agree with you with this. All hype and not much to back it
: up. Maybe I'm biased now but I too though Heretic was a much better game
: than ROTT. Don't even have a strafe left and right by keyboard with one
That does suck.
: button. I ran mine on a 486 DX2-66 w/ 16Mb of RAM and it's slow compared
: to DOOM and Heretic. Apogee will say that they didn't want to
Mine runs faster than doom II (about the same as I) w/ 4/66 8meg.
: make it run that fast probably. I haven't tried Comm-Bat yet. This is
: the second game out by Apogee that has broken GM support. First it was
: Boppin' and now this. At least with Boppin' you can select the cheesy
: WaveBlaster and get somewhat MIDI sounds. I can't get GM to work at all
: on my SB16 + Korg db upgrade.
My gmidi (Soundman wave) is fine.
-Dan
Dennis Cheng
ROTT is riddled with bugs, unlike Heretic BETA. I couldn't get my soundcard
to work until i added an "E620" next to my blaster setting(never figured out
what that accomplished...). The levels are kind of dull compared to Heretic
There just sometinhg missing from the game...maybe it's that the whole level
is just one 'floor' and the only way to go up is with those circle lifts.
-Not bashing ROTT, just get Heretic. The real thing, the only thing(for now...)
John Caruso (car...@nova.umd.edu) wrote:
: In article <3dcngo$9...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, Dennis Cheng wrote:
: >Yup , you're right. Heretic is MUCH betyter. I can't wait until the full
: >version comes out! You've got to see these weapons and the new invisibility
: >thing. Reall neat. Too bad ROTT is a bomb...
: Amazing. Just goes to show how far opinions can diverge. A few friends
: and I tried Heretic today and we were mightily disappointed. It isn't
: bad, but it's just Doom with a fantasy motif. You can pick out just
: which weapons map to which Doom weapons (gloves=chainsaw, wand=gun, and
: so on) and which monsters map to which Doom monsters. Doors are the same,
: keys are the same, mapping's the same, everything's the same. The only
: interesting new thing we saw was the chicken spell (we never did get to
: fly--that might be good too). And granted, the chicken spell is way
: cool. But it basically looks like they changed some graphics and music,
: added a "ye" and a "hath" here and there and called it a new game.
: So to summarize, Heretic=Doom+"hath"+chicken.
: ROTT, on the other hand, is real impressive. Lots of new stuff. Like
: the super pogo stick circles that shoot you up in the air (you or the
: bad guys, that is--it's a major hoot watching them bounce their way to
: you). The weapons are primo (LOVE that heat-seeking missile!). Also
: the glass wall that shatters, the huge pinball pillars, the way that
: enemies play possum and then jump up and thrash you, the suspended disc
: stairways, the fact that you can fall over the edge and die, the occasional
: eyeball that flies by when you kill someone, and so on. But far and
: away the coolest thing is when you wound a guy and he goes down on his
: knees with his hands up and says "Don't shoot...! Please...!"...and of
: course you whip out your first aid kit (yeah, sure :-). The first time
: that happened we had to stop playing for a few minutes until we stopped
: laughing.
: Don't get me wrong--ROTT's no major technology breakthrough, but it was
: much more original and interesting than Heretic in our humble opinion.
: Heretic just looked like a wad on steroids.
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: car...@paradiso.umuc.edu \ But underneath the logic is crazy...
: caruso@UMUC (Bitnet) \ -- Mark Burgess
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Darkangel
22-Dec-94 15:57, Scott46901 wrote to All
Subject: Re: ROTT vs. HERETIC vs. DOOM2!
S> >>AND Heretic is so awesome!! It is every bit as fun as doom2 and it has
S> really cool weapons! I haven't tried DMATCH yet but I think that since
S> I've played doom for so long I will give up doom to play heretic more.
Friends of mine and me too have met for a Doom's"day" over IPX-Network.
Someone has brought HERETIC with him and the Day changed to Heretic's"day"
over IPX-Network....... It's the real Thing for Deathmatch, try it out, turn
your Deathmatch Opponents to Chicken, we laughed for hours.
Ever seen a fleeing Chicken in a Lava Sea ?
Ever seen a half invisible, flying Chicken ?
Try it out and have fun, bite your opponents in the legs, you are so tiny
and your opponents don't look all the time down.........
It's fun pure.........
> Greetings from Darkangel
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