How to kill Baal with nova/FO?
Michael Vondung
easy and fast. Unless one of the minions is cold/lightning immune,
none of the packs presents any serious danger or difficulty. However,
Baal is another story. The second I enter the chamber, I'm cursed and
can't do much more than teleport in, static him down to 50%, and
quickly teleport off the platform. However, that does leave me with a
half-alive Baal. Nova is definitely out of question, that'd kill me in
no time (max FCR), and FO doesn't seem very fast.
So... I'm a bit at a loss what to do. Damage dealt by Baal hasn't been
a huge problem when I tried (max res, some MDR), but the darn curse
gets me every time. I'm currently babying a defiance merc (HF didn't
do it for me), but even with a big weapon, would he have a chance
against Baal? (My guess would be: hell, no!). Ironically enough, even
killing him in NM is difficult.
Are there any working strategies at all?
-M.
Robert Cummings
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I have heard the best sorc weapon against Baal is fire, but like you I
am a light/orb sorc. My level 83 sorc has Orb maxed at 29 and cold
mastery at 12. I also have TS and Light mastery maxed but baal laughs at
lightning. Orb works, but I need between 2-5 full rejuvs each time. I
also have max resist (Tals complete set). I just do not think there is
an easy way for this class to take Baal down. My level 83 offensive merc
with very good items helps distract him for a second or two, but this
makes the total cost for a baal run 2-5 full rejuvs, + 50K in gold to
revive my merc all for a 99% chance to get a junk drop. My MF% is around
320.
I am currently building a fire/cold sorc which is at level 70 now. As
soon as I get her high enough to wear Tals set, I will try Baal runs
with her and see if it is as easy as Micky (and others) have said.
DrEvil
I can kill baal hell fast enough with my FO/TS sorc.
DrEvil
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Rancid1
merc really should be your friend with a nova, he really slows em down. IMO
a fast cast nova sorc wont have enough defense to make defiance work in your
favor, but at least he might not get hit often. Mercs by design have zero
chance as they take a huge extra % of damage from bosses and the like. So
unless you keep Baal occupied he is gonna eat your mercs lunch in 1 hit.
Michael Vondung
>I am currently building a fire/cold sorc which is at level 70 now. As
>soon as I get her high enough to wear Tals set, I will try Baal runs
>with her and see if it is as easy as Micky (and others) have said.
What does this "Baal runs"-suited sorceress build look like? Firewall
or hydra?
Thanks,
-M.
FuzzyHorror
What level are you? Any room for new skills? I'd recommend hydra as it's
a Fire and Forget, but it does need some decent investment to be a quick
killer. Maybe a few quick levelups for a point in firewall and a point
in fire mastery would be an option and let your +skills do the rest.
That curse only comes up if you have more mana than life.. reduce your
mana or increase your life by getting some 'of vita' small charms, or
some squid/whale items.
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just some ideas
eo
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> If you get more life then mana, the curse wont be a problem anymore.
> I can kill baal hell fast enough with my FO/TS sorc.
It's much easier to do this if you're not using Nova. A Nova sorc needs a
huge mana pool which makes it virtually impossible to avoid the Magic Maiden
/ Blood Mana curse.
Vladesch
If you need a char to do baal runs, you're better off building up a buriza
zon (or I hear barbs are good). Use laying of hands, tals maks,armor and
belt, and something to make you immune to freeze. I use ravenfrost ring for
that.
Robert Cummings
I currently have hydra at 22, fire mastery at 23 and firewall at 25. I
assume walls will be my weapon against baal.
Michael Vondung
wrote:
>What level are you? Any room for new skills? I'd recommend hydra as it's
>a Fire and Forget, but it does need some decent investment to be a quick
>killer. Maybe a few quick levelups for a point in firewall and a point
>in fire mastery would be an option and let your +skills do the rest.
No, she doesn't have room. It's a typical nova sorc with max nova, max
LM, max FO, and 15 static field. She's at 82, and even if I played her
past 90, this won't be enough to make hydra useful. I did have a hydra
sorceress on an account that I recently "merged" (cut down from five
to three accounts) - but never used her for Baal runs.
So to run Baal with a sorceress, the recommended skills are hydra, FM,
orb, static field and one teleport? I don't think I could get used to
firewall :)
-M.
Fox
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> -M.
Baal? Huh? Tough one for a sorc, unless she's a TriSorckle. How about a few
thousand pindle runs or do what you do best cows. Boss's are best left to
Barb's =)
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FuzzyHorror
well, hydra is what I like to use (since it's useful vs. baal's
wandering tentacles too). Since Baal likes to sit in once place for
periods at a time, even a low level firewall should be effective. It
just doesn't seem like nova is a good anti-baal spell.
>
> -M.
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FuzzyHorror
New from Raid: Baal-B-Gone. Stops demons cold. *Bang*
Bin
an orb or staff with plus to firewall and mastery and invest 1 point into
firewall and fire mastery. Your other + skills gears might get it up to
decent level. Just teleport to Baal, static him to 50%, then fire wall him
once every few seconds. This way, you can just drink health potion when
Baal blood curse you. Teleport back to tp/town when the action gets too
hot.
"Michael Vondung" <mvon...@gmx.net> wrote in message
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Ingo Jankowski
> Are there any working strategies at all?
Hm. When does he curse you, right when you enter the room? Does it wear
off after a while?
Maybe you could try to use a different merc: When I use my bowazon, he
only attacks the barb merc and ignores me completely (as long as the
merc is alive). Doesn't work with an act 2 merc though.
I admit I have no clue if it works with a sorc, just grasping straws.
Does anybody have experience with a sorc and a barb merc? The idea would
be that Baal would only be concerned about the barb, leaving the sorc
alone.
Charles C. Shyu
to get a few rejuvs. Lots of champions on the way that drop 'em.
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Hanky'
wrote:
My firewall sorc munches Baal if there's a melee char keeping him
still, level 28 FW and 31 mastery
steve
My main MF'er is a FO/Nova sorc (+ half maxed TS so far at level 89) and
she's one of those damage reduction builds (stormshield and 200+ dex to
maintain 75% block, high energy shield, max resists except poison). She
obliterates everything - usually put down a potion after every three or four
serious fights, but I could hold out and just visit Malah at the start of a
new run and I do pretty long runs. One time shortly after she leveled, I
just sat her in front of hell Meph and did nothing. Took him over two
minutes to kill her, and that was only cause his poison finally wore her
down.
She wipes out everything. She even runs Nihlithak, only getting killed
every 15 or 20 runs. Everything, that is, except the Travincial Council and
Baal. Most of the time she can handle the council no problem, but every 5
of 6 runs they spawn mods that force her to retreat and it becomes a real
battle (that's the only reason I do them, everything else is too easy).
However EVERY time she meets Baal she gets humiliated, mostly cause she's
got 1400 mana and 490 life - hence no way for me to give more life than
mana.
After trying everything to get him (dual Ravenfrosts, raven frost +
dwarfstar, battleclash belt, etc.) and failing every time, I really don't
think Baal is viable with the build. My suggestion is skip Baal with a
FO/Nova sorc. Instead get a barb merc, give a Amn-Amn CCB (pretty cheap
thanks to shopbotters), cheapest shaftstop you can find and cheapest Vamp
Gaze you can find. Socket the shaft or vamp with an Ort. Then look at the
Act 5 superuniques - Pindle, Eldridge, Shenk, Threshsocket, Frozenstein,
Bonesnap and Snapchip Chatter - and anything else appealing you see (lots of
champions all around when doing these runs). Barb merc is just there to
handle LE or LI/CI monsters (20+% life leech when doing 1000-2000 damage per
hit means he can tank most anything) and when you get cursed with the blood
mana deal in some areas. I skip Shenk cause my merc seems to die there, and
skip Frozenstein 'cause there's just too many of those blood mana-cursing
things down there, instead teleporting to the chest in Abaddon, which drops
a charm about every 3 times.
I've had more success running those guys than I have had doing a tons of
Baal runs with my MF Barb, who handles Baal quite easily. Admittedly I use
maphack, and these runs might be real time-consuming if you don't use it -
so your mileage may vary.
tcells
Michael Vondung wrote in message ...
>Getting to Baal in Hell difficulty with my nova/FO/block sorceress is
>easy and fast. Unless one of the minions is cold/lightning immune,
>none of the packs presents any serious danger or difficulty. However,
>Baal is another story. The second I enter the chamber, I'm cursed and
>can't do much more than teleport in, static him down to 50%, and
>quickly teleport off the platform. However, that does leave me with a
>half-alive Baal. Nova is definitely out of question, that'd kill me in
>no time (max FCR), and FO doesn't seem very fast.
curse sounds like MIM, your best bet is to wear something like a raven frost
or black oak, stay as close to him as you can and simply duke it out with FO
after you static him.
Howard
Stick with Meph. Your FO/TS is ideal for him. Build a zon or barb for
Baal. If you plan to do thousands of MF runs then you need a char that
enables you to kill without thinking. I do Meph runs with my sorc and Baal
runs with my zon. I can do either while talking to my wife on the phone.
Howard
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wife (phone or live)
Its a very nice skill to have in a marriage, with some extra points in it,
she doesnt even notice that you're not 100% focused on what she's saying ;)
Romendacil
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