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Orion Ryder

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Jan 9, 2004, 9:39:40 AM1/9/04
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Diablo (in Normal) dropped this Kris when my palladin offed him.

The Jade Tan Do Kris.

These are its norms:

One Hand Damage 2 to 11
Dur: 24
Req Dex 45
Req Lev 19
Dagger Class - Fast

And these are its mods: (Is that what you call them, MODS?)
+121 to attack rating
180 poison damage over 4 seconds
20% to max poison resist
poison resist 95%
cannot be frozen

This is definitely better than the Crystal Sword he has been using. I
put the sword in my stash and went out and tested the Kris. It seems
like it worked well. I took a swing at a few things then backed off
and watched them die, from the poison I'm sure. I never saw such a big
poison mod on anything.

The thing I wonder about is "cannot be frozen". I sus pect that this
is a good thing and means that I will not be turned blue, hence I will
not be slowed and when fighting somthing like Frozenstein I will be
able to swing at full speed. Perhaps even when fighting Duriel in
Nightmare.

I'm sure there are times where the 95% poison resist will come in
handy. Even if I revert to another weapon, say perhaps something that
does heavy damage to undead or demonswhen I fight them I also suspect
that here will be times where this dagger will come in handy with the
1) posion and 2) no freeze.

I haverecent hopes of makign a Holy Thunder but I think I will keep
the Kris also nearby. It only takes up 3 slots.

Interesting that in D&D palladins are not allowed to use poison. Makes
sense to me that they should use poison especially if they are
fighting "EVIL" monsters.

Well, I'll continue using this item as long as it gets the job done.

Orion Ryder

Jaakko Raipala

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Jan 9, 2004, 10:46:49 AM1/9/04
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Orion Ryder <orion...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Diablo (in Normal) dropped this Kris when my palladin offed him.
>
> The Jade Tan Do Kris.

I'm sorry, but that's probably the worst unique item in the entire
game. :-)

I think the best sword I've ever found on Normal is Bloodletter, the
unique gladius. It does 31-97 damage and has *great* mods (increased
attack speed, life steal). Once you find something like that, you'll
really wonder why you were once so excited about that Jade Tan Do. :-)

> And these are its mods: (Is that what you call them, MODS?)

Yes.

> This is definitely better than the Crystal Sword he has been using. I

Uh, *seriously*? No wonder you had so much trouble with Diablo! You
should get a better sword right away! Now that you can get to Act 5
try shopping Larzuk for a while. Look for War Swords, they're probably
the best. (You have noticed that he has new offers every time you come
back to town? Go visit some other place with the waypoint and come
back right away and see if he's selling anything good. Repeat until he
is.) Larzuk also sells axes, but they're not that good for a paladin
(the weapon speeds aren't the same for all characters).

Don't look at the number of mods; pure damage and speed are the most
important things on a weapon. If they suck, it doesn't help if it has
bazillion resists to everything or thousands of defensive mods.

> The thing I wonder about is "cannot be frozen". I sus pect that this
> is a good thing and means that I will not be turned blue, hence I will
> not be slowed and when fighting somthing like Frozenstein I will be

Yes.

> able to swing at full speed. Perhaps even when fighting Duriel in
> Nightmare.

It will *not* help against Duriel. Duriel uses Holy Freeze and nothing
helps against that.

In any case, you should definitely not fight Nightmare Duriel with The
Jade Tan Do! That would be terrible! Here's what my next paladin plans
to use, when he reaches that point (since you're playing Single Player,
you probably won't have the chance to get this good equipment at that
point, but you *should* easily find something better than a kris!):

The Atlantean
Ancient Sword
One-Hand Damage: 60 to 145

With the mods:

+238% Enhanced Damage
+2 To Paladin Skill Levels
50% Bonus To Attack Rating
+75 Defense
+8 To Vitality
+12 To Dexterity
+16 To Strength

I also have a Heaven's Light scepter stashed somewhere, which he'll
use when reaches the appropriate level. You can look up its stats on
the Arreat Summit... but I recommend that you don't do that, your
paladin might just get a bit envious and paladins aren't supposed to
do that. :-)

> I'm sure there are times where the 95% poison resist will come in
> handy. Even if I revert to another weapon, say perhaps something that
> does heavy damage to undead or demonswhen I fight them I also suspect
> that here will be times where this dagger will come in handy with the
> 1) posion and 2) no freeze.

The easiest way to get "cannot be frozen" is the Rhyme runeword. It's
very easy to make, you only need a Shael and an Eth. You can get both
easily by doing Countess runs in Nightmare. (It's for a shield.)

BTW, are you already familiar with the concept of a "run"? That means
going to kill some boss over and over again, until you get what you're
looking for (usually experience or some nice item). Try it out with
Baal or the Countess in Nightmare.

john graesser

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"Orion Ryder" <orion...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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My sorc carried it until she got a +2 skills orb, that poison resist really
helps in act 2 where everything and its brother will try to poison you. The
other item that does about the same is the venom ward unique armor. I never
got into the whole poison them and let them die 5-6 seconds later method of
fighting. You will find as you progress into hell difficulty, that any and
all resists are good for you, absorb is even better, but I don't recall any
poison absorb items like there are for lightning, fire and cold.

Be aware that you only leech from the physical part of the damage, you might
go ahead and upgrade the Jade to the next lvl of weapon (even though that
raises the strength and lvl reqs) so that you up its physical damage (all
other mods on the weapon stay the same). The rune required to up a normal
unique to exceptional weapon are easy enough to get.


Orion Ryder

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Jan 9, 2004, 4:35:52 PM1/9/04
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Jaakko Raipala <rai...@pcu.helsinki.fi> wrote in message news:<slrnbvtj79....@rock.helsinki.fi>...

> Orion Ryder <orion...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Diablo (in Normal) dropped this Kris when my palladin offed him.
> >
> > The Jade Tan Do Kris.
>
> I'm sorry, but that's probably the worst unique item in the entire
> game. :-)
>
> I think the best sword I've ever found on Normal is Bloodletter, the
> unique gladius. It does 31-97 damage and has *great* mods (increased
> attack speed, life steal). Once you find something like that, you'll
> really wonder why you were once so excited about that Jade Tan Do. :-)

Well if the Jade Tan Do is the best item that I came across then why
not be excited? I now consider myself unlucky that I have not come
across anything better. I will check to see what Larzuk has and
hopefully I will get something there, however I'm not going to
waypoint for 1/2 hour just to try to get something better. A few
minutes is fine but there have been times in the past I tried that
ansd it turned out to be a waste of time.

> > And these are its mods: (Is that what you call them, MODS?)
>
> Yes.
>
> > This is definitely better than the Crystal Sword he has been using. I
>
> Uh, *seriously*? No wonder you had so much trouble with Diablo!

Yeah I wondered that myself. But what can I do when the sword was the
best thing I could find. I eman I did occasionaly find another item
that dealt maybe on the average 5 points more of damage but the
crystal sword had other mods that made the 5 extra damage points not
worth it. I know that by the time my barbarian fought Diablo he had
some very good weapons in Normal. I guess I will ahve to say that the
pally did the best he could with what he had, the poor unlucky fellow.


> You
> should get a better sword right away! Now that you can get to Act 5
> try shopping Larzuk for a while. Look for War Swords, they're probably
> the best. (You have noticed that he has new offers every time you come
> back to town? Go visit some other place with the waypoint and come
> back right away and see if he's selling anything good. Repeat until he
> is.) Larzuk also sells axes, but they're not that good for a paladin
> (the weapon speeds aren't the same for all characters).
>
> Don't look at the number of mods; pure damage and speed are the most
> important things on a weapon. If they suck, it doesn't help if it has
> bazillion resists to everything or thousands of defensive mods.
>
> > The thing I wonder about is "cannot be frozen". I sus pect that this
> > is a good thing and means that I will not be turned blue, hence I will
> > not be slowed and when fighting somthing like Frozenstein I will be
>
> Yes.
>
> > able to swing at full speed. Perhaps even when fighting Duriel in
> > Nightmare.
>
> It will *not* help against Duriel. Duriel uses Holy Freeze and nothing
> helps against that.

So Holy Freeze will still freeze a "cannot be frozen". Thanks for the
info.



> In any case, you should definitely not fight Nightmare Duriel with The
> Jade Tan Do! That would be terrible! Here's what my next paladin plans
> to use, when he reaches that point (since you're playing Single Player,
> you probably won't have the chance to get this good equipment at that
> point, but you *should* easily find something better than a kris!):
>
> The Atlantean
> Ancient Sword
> One-Hand Damage: 60 to 145
>
> With the mods:
>
> +238% Enhanced Damage
> +2 To Paladin Skill Levels
> 50% Bonus To Attack Rating
> +75 Defense
> +8 To Vitality
> +12 To Dexterity
> +16 To Strength
>
> I also have a Heaven's Light scepter stashed somewhere, which he'll
> use when reaches the appropriate level. You can look up its stats on
> the Arreat Summit... but I recommend that you don't do that, your
> paladin might just get a bit envious and paladins aren't supposed to
> do that. :-)

Okay, my palladin is not envious BUT I am! :)



> > I'm sure there are times where the 95% poison resist will come in
> > handy. Even if I revert to another weapon, say perhaps something that

> > does heavy damage to undead or demons when I fight them I also suspect


> > that here will be times where this dagger will come in handy with the
> > 1) posion and 2) no freeze.
>
> The easiest way to get "cannot be frozen" is the Rhyme runeword. It's
> very easy to make, you only need a Shael and an Eth. You can get both
> easily by doing Countess runs in Nightmare. (It's for a shield.)

I honestly expect that somewhere in Nightmare, mayber even act 5
normal I will find something better than the Jade Tan Do. My poor
palladin has been unlucky enough to not come across a 16 slot belt. I
probably should have bought some belts in act 4 just to try on and see
if they were 16 slots. The one I have looks like it will have 16 slots
but it has 12. I don't remember where in Normal my barb picked up a 16
slot belt.



> BTW, are you already familiar with the concept of a "run"? That means
> going to kill some boss over and over again, until you get what you're
> looking for (usually experience or some nice item). Try it out with
> Baal or the Countess in Nightmare.

Yes.

I'm tempted to make another run at Diablo with the Kris just to see if
it works better than that sword I had. I was thinking of hitting him
once and running away to let the poison do its work and then run back
and repeat until he's dead, then compare # of palladin deaths with the
sword to # of palladin deaths with the Kris and compare other factors
like time and potions used.

Thanks for the info.

Orion Ryder

willy

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Jan 9, 2004, 4:50:32 PM1/9/04
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What realm are you playing on Orion? If it's East and SC I may have
something better for you. I've pretty much given up on SC and play strickly
HC now on East.

Willy

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David Carson

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Jan 9, 2004, 5:37:06 PM1/9/04
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Orion Ryder wrote:
> My poor
> palladin has been unlucky enough to not come across a 16 slot belt. I
> probably should have bought some belts in act 4 just to try on and see
> if they were 16 slots. The one I have looks like it will have 16 slots
> but it has 12. I don't remember where in Normal my barb picked up a 16
> slot belt.

"Plated Belts" are the only normal belts with 16 slots. So check the
shops and the gambling dens for one of those, if you're craving the 16
slots..

(all exceptional and elite belts have 16, though)

Cheers!
David...

David Carson

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Jan 9, 2004, 5:43:19 PM1/9/04
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Orion Ryder wrote:
> Jaakko Raipala <rai...@pcu.helsinki.fi> wrote in message news:<slrnbvtj79....@rock.helsinki.fi>...
>>I'm sorry, but that's probably the worst unique item in the entire
>>game. :-)
>>
>>I think the best sword I've ever found on Normal is Bloodletter, the
>>unique gladius. It does 31-97 damage and has *great* mods (increased
>>attack speed, life steal). Once you find something like that, you'll
>>really wonder why you were once so excited about that Jade Tan Do. :-)
>
> Well if the Jade Tan Do is the best item that I came across then why
> not be excited?

Well said!

You're playing Single Player, right? I think a lot of people, who have
most of their experience playing online, with all it's possibilities for
trading, gifts, etc., forget what it's like to have nothing but what you
can find yourself, and forget that good stuff just doesn't drop that
often when you've got a lowly character playing through normal!

Also the Jade Tan Do is very far from the worst unique item in the
entire game.. you never found a Deathspade or Stoutnail or Dragon Chang,
Jaakko? :-)

I found a Jade Tan Do in act 4 normal with one of my earliest characters
(a barbarian) and got some use out of it, doing hit and runs on monsters
I didn't want to stand too close to. 180 poison is not to be sniffed at
in Normal.

> I'm tempted to make another run at Diablo with the Kris just to see if
> it works better than that sword I had. I was thinking of hitting him
> once and running away to let the poison do its work and then run back
> and repeat until he's dead, then compare # of palladin deaths with the
> sword to # of palladin deaths with the Kris and compare other factors
> like time and potions used.

Give it a go.. and who knows, he might drop a good sword for you. :-)

Cheers!
David...

Jaakko Raipala

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Jan 9, 2004, 7:24:27 PM1/9/04
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David Carson <da...@eldergothSPAMTRAP.com> wrote:

> Orion Ryder wrote:
>> Jaakko Raipala <rai...@pcu.helsinki.fi> wrote

>>>I'm sorry, but that's probably the worst unique item in the entire
>>>game. :-)
>>

>> Well if the Jade Tan Do is the best item that I came across then why
>> not be excited?
>
> Well said!

Oh no! Now you've got me all wrong. I didn't mean to ruin Orion's
excitement! Of course not! I just had a horrible vision of a post
titled "Paladin fights Nightmare Duriel with Jade Tan Do" and thought
that it might be a good idea to let Orion know that there's *much*
better stuff out there and he might want to stop for a few Diablo runs
or something to get his hands on it, if he doesn't soon find anything
better.

> You're playing Single Player, right? I think a lot of people, who have
> most of their experience playing online, with all it's possibilities for
> trading, gifts, etc., forget what it's like to have nothing but what you
> can find yourself, and forget that good stuff just doesn't drop that
> often when you've got a lowly character playing through normal!

Actually, if this meant for me, I've had most of my experience offline
- I really moved on the realms in 1.10. I did use to have two
computers (...or, I used to live with my parents, who had another
computer :-)), so I could always trade stuff between my characters.
(BTW, I've found that I play on the realms pretty much exactly the
same way as I did offline... I haven't really gotten into trading or
anything.)

> Also the Jade Tan Do is very far from the worst unique item in the
> entire game..

You're right, that was a silly exaggeration. I just get so annoyed
every time I find that Jade Tan Do! I, too, always get excited about
finding an unique, but then I notice that it's just another copy of
the same "unique" that I've seen at least 1000 times and... well, then
I get annoyed.

> you never found a Deathspade or Stoutnail or Dragon Chang,
> Jaakko? :-)

I found *three* Dragon Changs today. (I spend *far* too much time on
this game...)

David Carson

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Jan 9, 2004, 8:02:56 PM1/9/04
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Jaakko Raipala wrote:
> Oh no! Now you've got me all wrong. I didn't mean to ruin Orion's
> excitement! Of course not! I just had a horrible vision of a post
> titled "Paladin fights Nightmare Duriel with Jade Tan Do" and thought
> that it might be a good idea to let Orion know that there's *much*
> better stuff out there and he might want to stop for a few Diablo runs
> or something to get his hands on it, if he doesn't soon find anything
> better.

Fair enough. :-)

>>You're playing Single Player, right? I think a lot of people, who have
>>most of their experience playing online, with all it's possibilities for
>>trading, gifts, etc., forget what it's like to have nothing but what you
>>can find yourself, and forget that good stuff just doesn't drop that
>>often when you've got a lowly character playing through normal!
>
> Actually, if this meant for me, I've had most of my experience offline
> - I really moved on the realms in 1.10. I did use to have two
> computers (...or, I used to live with my parents, who had another
> computer :-)), so I could always trade stuff between my characters.

Oh, not you in particular.. I just notice a lot on here and most D2
forums that the regular posters tend to also be very experienced players
(as you'd expect) and are perhaps not so qualified to advise a new
player as, perhaps, a _moderately_ experience player would be.

> (BTW, I've found that I play on the realms pretty much exactly the
> same way as I did offline... I haven't really gotten into trading or
> anything.)

Heh, me too, I mostly play SP and tried out realms with the intent of
getting into the trading and wheeling and dealing and so on. Of course I
discovered that I played roughly 1% as much as I'd need to to find even
the lowliest item that any trader would want. :-)

What gets a bit weird is some of the stuff you get from people dumping
or giving away stuff they don't need, but isn't worth trading. I found
it very easy to accumulate some mid-range gear online. I mean, just ask
on this newsgroup "Does anyone have [insert mid range item] to trade? I
need it bad!", and someone will probably give you a freebie. :-)

>>you never found a Deathspade or Stoutnail or Dragon Chang,
>>Jaakko? :-)
>
> I found *three* Dragon Changs today. (I spend *far* too much time on
> this game...)

Heh, I've never seen one, I just had a quick look through the item lists
to find something that looked really bad. ;-)

Cheers!
David...

Jane Walbridge

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If you are playing on West, I can help you out with items on both the
ladder and non-ladder mules.

Just drop me a line and we can schedule a meeting. :)

Peace,
Jane

Ps: Don't get in a knot if you don't find the high drops. My hubby and
I have been playing D2 since the day it came out and we have yet to find
most of the goodies they talk about here. Someone does find them,
though and they sometimes donate to the public mules, so they can share
with us less fortunate folks.

PPS: If you start playing just to find items, it will stop being fun
before too long.

paul

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On 9 Jan 2004 13:35:52 -0800, orion...@hotmail.com (Orion Ryder)
wrote:

>Jaakko Raipala <rai...@pcu.helsinki.fi> wrote in message news:<slrnbvtj79....@rock.helsinki.fi>...
>> Orion Ryder <orion...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Diablo (in Normal) dropped this Kris when my palladin offed him.
>> >
>> > The Jade Tan Do Kris.
>>
>> I'm sorry, but that's probably the worst unique item in the entire
>> game. :-)


The Jade is a good weapon for a Poison Dagger necromancer in
mid-normal to mid nightmare, but even so there are better poison
sources about, like Wormskull. The trouble with paladins using daggers
of any kind is the speed penalty, and it's only got base damage for a
Kris as well, which is kinda sad.

It's not the worst unique in the game by a long way, but it is
designed for a certain subclass and if you don't play that subclass,
well its pretty useless. All of the normal unique bows are certainly
worse, since they suck even for bow-users.


paul

Orion Ryder

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"john graesser" <grae...@tca.net> wrote in message news:<vvtk6i...@corp.supernews.com>...

Okay, let me make sure I got this right.

1 Ral
1 Sol
1 Perfect Emerald
Normal Unique Weapon
=
Exceptional Version

Okay thanks, this helps me get the formulas working in my memory. I've
been having to re-read that prinout for the last few weeks.

Not sure if I'd do that here with this item but I have another
character than might be able to make use of that recipe with a
different item.

Orion Ryder

Orion Ryder

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nos...@xnospam.com.au (paul) wrote in message news:<40012593...@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>...

> On 9 Jan 2004 13:35:52 -0800, orion...@hotmail.com (Orion Ryder)
> wrote:
>
> >Jaakko Raipala <rai...@pcu.helsinki.fi> wrote in message news:<slrnbvtj79....@rock.helsinki.fi>...
> >> Orion Ryder <orion...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Diablo (in Normal) dropped this Kris when my palladin offed him.
> >> >
> >> > The Jade Tan Do Kris.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, but that's probably the worst unique item in the entire
> >> game. :-)
>
>
> The Jade is a good weapon for a Poison Dagger necromancer in
> mid-normal to mid nightmare, but even so there are better poison
> sources about, like Wormskull. The trouble with paladins using daggers
> of any kind is the speed penalty, and it's only got base damage for a
> Kris as well, which is kinda sad.
>
> It's not the worst unique in the game by a long way, but it is
> designed for a certain subclass and if you don't play that subclass,
> well its pretty useless. All of the normal unique bows are certainly
> worse, since they suck even for bow-users.
>
>
> paul

And now my barb just got the exact same thing after beating Diablo in
Nightmare. However this weapon is not even close in comparison to his
current weapons so I sold it fast.

I had my Pally use it in the first area outside Horrogoth Normal and
it worked very well, especially in a crowd with either Holy Freeze or
Holy Shock. Monsters were dropping fast.

And until I find something better I'll continue to use it. Even if I
end up using something else I possibly hold onto it gets to a point
where it is worthless, then I'll dump it fast.

Orion Ryder

Jaakko Raipala

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I'd reply to Orion's post directly, but it has already vanished from
my news server. (Apparently the people at the university have set the
expiry time on a.g.d to about 2 days! Bah. I don't think they realize
just how important Diablo is for my studies!)

> orion...@hotmail.com (Orion Ryder) wrote:
>>Jaakko Raipala <rai...@pcu.helsinki.fi> wrote

>>> I'm sorry, but that's probably the worst unique item in the entire
>>> game. :-)
>

>>Well if the Jade Tan Do is the best item that I came across then why
>>not be excited?

By all means, be excited! It's a fun item. Not very useful in the long
run, but you might have some fun with it. (In that sense it's
certainly not the worst unique in the game! There are some that no
character would ever consider using for more than a few levels, not
even for fun.)

>>> > This is definitely better than the Crystal Sword he has been using. I
>>>
>>> Uh, *seriously*? No wonder you had so much trouble with Diablo!
>>
>>Yeah I wondered that myself. But what can I do when the sword was the
>>best thing I could find. I eman I did occasionaly find another item

Yeah, that really sucks. :-( This is why I usually don't like to play
melee characters: it gets horribly tedious, if you're unlucky with the
weapon drops. (Bowazons are the worst: I really like to play them, but
it'll very quickly get incredibly boring if you can't find a good bow.
And it's very easy to not find one.)

>>I honestly expect that somewhere in Nightmare, mayber even act 5
>>normal I will find something better than the Jade Tan Do. My poor
>>palladin has been unlucky enough to not come across a 16 slot belt. I

As other people already said, the only normal belts that have 16 slots
are the plated belts. Exceptional belts all have 4 slots. The best way
to get nice 16 slotted belts is to gamble plated belts (you can buy
some nice belts from the vendors, too, but then you'll have to do the
boring waypoint trick again).

BTW, there is a way to upgrade items into exceptional versions. It
only works on rares (yellow) and uniques (gold), but it's great for
them. If you come across some belt with super mods, don't throw it
away just because it has too few potion slots: you can upgrade it
with the Horadric cube and then it will have 4 slots (and a bit more
defense).

David Carson

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Jan 12, 2004, 3:31:34 PM1/12/04
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Orion Ryder wrote:
> Okay, let me make sure I got this right.
>
> 1 Ral
> 1 Sol
> 1 Perfect Emerald
> Normal Unique Weapon
> =
> Exceptional Version
>
> Okay thanks, this helps me get the formulas working in my memory. I've
> been having to re-read that prinout for the last few weeks.
>
> Not sure if I'd do that here with this item but I have another
> character than might be able to make use of that recipe with a
> different item.

http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~deykea/d2weapons.html is a great calculator
for weapon (and armour upgrades). For instance, it will tell you at a
glance that the Jade Tan Do upgraded to be a cinquedeas (exceptional)
would do 15-31 damage, but require 88 dex, 25 strength and level 30.

Cheers!
David...

Xocyll

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Jan 12, 2004, 5:50:01 PM1/12/04
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Jaakko Raipala <rai...@pcu.helsinki.fi> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>I'd reply to Orion's post directly, but it has already vanished from
>my news server. (Apparently the people at the university have set the
>expiry time on a.g.d to about 2 days! Bah. I don't think they realize
>just how important Diablo is for my studies!)

Just a thought, but if you aren't limited to reading news only at school
on their computers, why not just set your mail reader to grab all the
messages in the group every day, then you can actually read them when
you have the time. No worries if you get sick or bogged down with
something else since you'd already have saved the messages.

I'm perpetually a thousand or more messages behind in one or more of the
groups I read and ALD has been much, much farther behind than that in
AGD.

Xocyll
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Stephen van Ham

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Jan 12, 2004, 5:48:14 PM1/12/04
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Yo dawg, on Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:50:01 -0500, Xocyll
<Xoc...@kingston.net> came 'round looking for action. Check it:

>Just a thought, but if you aren't limited to reading news only at school
>on their computers, why not just set your mail reader to grab all the
>messages in the group every day, then you can actually read them when
>you have the time. No worries if you get sick or bogged down with
>something else since you'd already have saved the messages.
>
>I'm perpetually a thousand or more messages behind in one or more of the
>groups I read and ALD has been much, much farther behind than that in
>AGD.

At one point in time, many of us were 10-15 THOUSAND posts behind in
this group alone. We all have a little of ald in us.

Then again, at one point in time, 10-15 thousand posts was about a
weeks worth of posts. ;-)

It's a good thing that traffic is so light here now, or else we're all
be in permanent ald mode.


paul

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Jan 13, 2004, 1:29:59 AM1/13/04
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And would still do 180 poison over 5 seconds. A very poor man's
Blackbog's indeed.


paul
>
>Cheers!
>David...
>

Orion Ryder

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Jan 13, 2004, 9:10:09 AM1/13/04
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nos...@xnospam.com.au (paul) wrote in message news:<40038fed...@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>...

> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:31:34 +1100, David Carson
> <da...@eldergothSPAMTRAP.com> wrote:
>
> >Orion Ryder wrote:
> >> Okay, let me make sure I got this right.
> >>
> >> 1 Ral
> >> 1 Sol
> >> 1 Perfect Emerald
> >> Normal Unique Weapon
> >> =
> >> Exceptional Version
> >>
> >> Okay thanks, this helps me get the formulas working in my memory. I've
> >> been having to re-read that prinout for the last few weeks.
> >>
> >> Not sure if I'd do that here with this item but I have another
> >> character than might be able to make use of that recipe with a
> >> different item.
> >
> >http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~deykea/d2weapons.html is a great calculator
> >for weapon (and armour upgrades).

Hey that's a nice calculator. Now I have to spend an hour or so
sometime figuring out how it works and another hour filling out the
boxes.

Just kidding. I'll keep it in mind. Thanks!

> >For instance, it will tell you at a
> >glance that the Jade Tan Do upgraded to be a cinquedeas (exceptional)
> >would do 15-31 damage, but require 88 dex, 25 strength and level 30.
>
> And would still do 180 poison over 5 seconds. A very poor man's
> Blackbog's indeed.

In act 5 normal and early nightmare that might help but I know from
what my barb went through in nightmare that my pally is going to need
somthing much better. Poison damage looks good when you look at the
damage box on the character screen but once you start comsidering that
it is spread out over time that changes my perspective on the actual
"average damage per hit".

Orion Ryder

> paul
> >
> >Cheers!
> >David...
> >

Jaakko Raipala

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Jan 13, 2004, 12:19:11 PM1/13/04
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Xocyll <Xoc...@kingston.net> wrote:

> Jaakko Raipala <rai...@pcu.helsinki.fi> looked up from reading the

>>I'd reply to Orion's post directly, but it has already vanished from
>>my news server. (Apparently the people at the university have set the
>>expiry time on a.g.d to about 2 days! Bah. I don't think they realize
>>just how important Diablo is for my studies!)
>
> Just a thought, but if you aren't limited to reading news only at school
> on their computers, why not just set your mail reader to grab all the
> messages in the group every day, then you can actually read them when
> you have the time.

Thanks for the thought, but I don't think it's a good idea. I already
spend more time on the net than I really have. :-)

> I'm perpetually a thousand or more messages behind in one or more of the
> groups I read and ALD has been much, much farther behind than that in
> AGD.

Well, believe it or not, I can top that. I don't often have thousands
of old messages to read (sometimes I do), but I always have *hundreds*
of messages waiting that I *really* intend to answer one day. I would
probably have thousands of them, if they weren't continually expiring
(and some of the other groups have *very* long expiry times...). In
email, my collection of "messages that I'm going to answer one day"
goes back a decade - or would, if I didn't continually "expire" emails
by blowing up my computer every few years or so.

So, you see: my name is Jaakko and I'm an addict...

Xocyll

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Jan 14, 2004, 12:03:06 AM1/14/04
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Jaakko Raipala <rai...@pcu.helsinki.fi> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>Xocyll <Xoc...@kingston.net> wrote:


>
>> Jaakko Raipala <rai...@pcu.helsinki.fi> looked up from reading the
>>>I'd reply to Orion's post directly, but it has already vanished from
>>>my news server. (Apparently the people at the university have set the
>>>expiry time on a.g.d to about 2 days! Bah. I don't think they realize
>>>just how important Diablo is for my studies!)
>>
>> Just a thought, but if you aren't limited to reading news only at school
>> on their computers, why not just set your mail reader to grab all the
>> messages in the group every day, then you can actually read them when
>> you have the time.
>
>Thanks for the thought, but I don't think it's a good idea. I already
>spend more time on the net than I really have. :-)

Well you don't ever _have_ to read them.
Better to download em and have them, than miss posts you wanted to read.

>> I'm perpetually a thousand or more messages behind in one or more of the
>> groups I read and ALD has been much, much farther behind than that in
>> AGD.
>
>Well, believe it or not, I can top that. I don't often have thousands
>of old messages to read (sometimes I do), but I always have *hundreds*
>of messages waiting that I *really* intend to answer one day. I would
>probably have thousands of them, if they weren't continually expiring
>(and some of the other groups have *very* long expiry times...). In
>email, my collection of "messages that I'm going to answer one day"
>goes back a decade - or would, if I didn't continually "expire" emails
>by blowing up my computer every few years or so.

*Cough* I have no expiry dates at all on a few of the groups, this was
one of them.
Until windows decided to spas out and corrupt the drive the data files
were on, I had well over 100k messages in this group and at least 80k in
another.
It was nice to be able to do a search and find an old post with the info
you vaguely remembered but didn't want to ask about again.


Only Microsoft could manage to put out an OS that would decide that your
registry settings were not correct and then change them to impossible
values.
Swap file had been on drive X:, then I condensed several partitions into
one so there would be enough room for a very large game.
Moved swap to C:, removed 3 partitions, created one big one from the
free space, formatted the new partition, installed software on it,
installed more software. Reboot.

Windows then threw a hissy fit and insisted that none of the other
partitions on that Harddrive existed except the primary (and that it was
corrupted).
It also decide that the swap file shouldn't be on C: any more and put it
back on X:, the same X: drive it was saying didn't exist.

Took something like 17 repeats of partitioning and formatting before
windows would admit that there really was a drive there.

Not exactly blowing up the computer, but quite a lot of data was lost,
mostly mp3s and savegames, but also all the newsgroup and email data.
At least I backed up my comic strip archives first. :)

>So, you see: my name is Jaakko and I'm an addict...

You're in good company in this group.

LineNoise

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Jan 14, 2004, 3:15:57 AM1/14/04
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"Bother!", said Pooh, as he read Xocyll's latest post to alt.games.diablo.

>*Cough* I have no expiry dates at all on a few of the groups, this was
>one of them.
>Until windows decided to spas out and corrupt the drive the data files
>were on, I had well over 100k messages in this group and at least 80k in
>another.
>It was nice to be able to do a search and find an old post with the info
>you vaguely remembered but didn't want to ask about again.

You know how they can fit an entire encyclopedia on one cd? My Agent
directory doesn't fit on a cd. That's news+email, but that's still an
incredibly huge amount of text. I have multiple 100k+ groups.

LineNoise
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