The roguelike games I listed all have freeware releases and the source code
is usually readily availiable.
Oh, and just so your not left in the dark, to learn more about Angband visit
http://thangorodrim.angband.org
Levi Kendall wrote:
>
> Diablo is not an RPG. I've been reading through the posts and some people
> agree with this, so just what IS Diablo (as far as game type). Well, I'd
> say Diablo is a "Rogue-like". Most of the people on this newsgroup probably
> have no experience in this area (games like: Rogue, Angband, Adom, Nethack).
You are absolutely right! I remember playing a game very similar to
those (Zamok, Russian for "castle"). It was my first gaming experience
ever! (the other game on that computer was ASCII Tetris, which worked
remarkably well).
I bet the guys at Blizzard just said: we'll write a roguelike with
GRAPHICS! And it worked quite well indeed.
> Oh, and just so your not left in the dark, to learn more about Angband visit
> http://thangorodrim.angband.org
Unfortunately, now the original ASCII roguelikes are more of interest to
beginning programmers (dungeon creation, line-of-sight, etc) than to
gamers. Pity! Roguelikes are a good bunch!
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I'll agree here. I used to play for hours on end on games like rogue,
nethack, and larn (oh - never did get that amulet of Yendor! - errgh!)
I think Roper had this genre in mind when he first created Diablo.
Hopefully he'll add even more of the rogue-ish features to Diablo II - in
fact he already has I suppose. =-)
Statsman
Of course we're aware of these wonderful games? :) You're right about how
good the Diablo games matches these games. Especially when Blizzard
introduced the "Hardcore" characters (where a character who dies, really is
lost forever), I immediatily began thinking about "Rogue" games.
I'm still playing Nethack now and then. The last time I played it was
actually yesterday, but I was killed by a nasty Gargoyle. Argh... I had such
a good start with Gauntlets of Power (25 str) and a Dwarven Mithril armour.
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>Diablo is not an RPG. I've been reading through the posts and some
>people agree with this, so just what IS Diablo (as far as game type).
>Well, I'd say Diablo is a "Rogue-like". Most of the people on this
That sounds right to me.
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>These games usually have no graphics mind you, just ascii; which explains
>why no one here knows what they are
...am I the only one who thinks this is a wee bit offensive? Kinda jumping
to conclusions there aren't ya? What, you think we aren't "sophisticated"
or "savvy" enough to play a game where there are no graphics?
Hummmm, maybe I'm just being too touchy today......
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You telling me you don't think that "Realmz' is rather Rogue-like?
Granted, I've only dabbled with angand and the 'z' version (including
the pretty graphics version) and just barely started Realmz, but they
definitely seemed related to me...
Your thoughts?
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No. I too was offended. *shrug* Unfortunately, some posters make
some unfortunate assumptions about the audience here.
Bah. When I ran my multi-line BBS 'back in the day' (ie well over a
decade ago) we got by just fine with ASCII graphics! :-)
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Before you buy.
Where could I get a copy (or d/l, I have no clue what it is.. or how to get it
sooo.. don't blame me.) of Rogue?
It has to be pretty old (in gamer years) so is there a place I can try out this
wonder game?
-Jon "You talk too much" H.
>Am I the only one that hopes Diablo2 will start you off with a little
>dog instead of 100 gold? (of course, I want the ability to name him,
>and use a Wand of Polymorph to turn him into an ancient dragon). My
>wife got me Diablo for my birthday three weeks ago and it's been the
>most fun I've had playing computer games since Hack and Moria on my old
>Amiga ten years ago.
Naw, the 100 gold is fine... It's the *band standard. ;) The little
dog can go chase a stick off a cliff for all I care. (Not a Nethack
fan...can ya tell? Too easy to meet an unavoidable death...)
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>"§tarchildĄ" <fham...@StUpIdSpAmMeRmindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Levi Kendall wrote in message <7vmu1j$t06$1...@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>>
>> >These games usually have no graphics mind you, just ascii; which explains
>> >why no one here knows what they are
>>
>>
>> ...am I the only one who thinks this is a wee bit offensive? Kinda jumping
>> to conclusions there aren't ya? What, you think we aren't "sophisticated"
>> or "savvy" enough to play a game where there are no graphics?
>>
>> Hummmm, maybe I'm just being too touchy today......
>
>No. I too was offended. *shrug* Unfortunately, some posters make
>some unfortunate assumptions about the audience here.
>
>Bah. When I ran my multi-line BBS 'back in the day' (ie well over a
>decade ago) we got by just fine with ASCII graphics! :-)
I miss dial-up BBS's. I can't seem to find any telnet BBS's that
aren't lagged to hell.... :( I miss playing Barren Realms and LORD and
even Exitilus (buggy as it was, it was good when the sysop was strict
about locking cheaters out with NO 'second chances'.).
Yep, I ran a single line, but helped setupand supported a couple of
multis. Not to mention being heavily involved with Fidonet and GLInet
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RSHanft wrote:
>
> Hm.
>
> Where could I get a copy (or d/l, I have no clue what it is.. or how to get it
> sooo.. don't blame me.) of Rogue?
Most of such games are available for free from the Internet.
Go to the site mentioned in the original poster's message, or go to
Yahoo and type in "Rogue" or "Rogue like". You'll get a dozen matches
for sure.
Yea, I knew it was going to be offensive to the "Experienced Gamers Group"
when I wrote it. Sorry about that. I just figured that there were going to
be a lot of newbie gamers in here (which was an assumpion I was willing to
make).
>Who said it's my site? It isn't, but it's pretty good one anyway
>
The way you wrote your post, saying you read the group, but your
"haven't seen ascii" remark isn't exactly showing that, furthermore,
references to rogue were made several times in the past.
And yes, I occasionally play angband-alike games in Linux, it's nowhere
like Diablo though.
>Once upon a newsgroup, "Levi Kendall" <gf...@earthlink.net> claimed:
>
>>Who said it's my site? It isn't, but it's pretty good one anyway
>>
>The way you wrote your post, saying you read the group, but your
>"haven't seen ascii" remark isn't exactly showing that, furthermore,
>references to rogue were made several times in the past.
>
>And yes, I occasionally play angband-alike games in Linux, it's nowhere
>like Diablo though.
Nope....The roguelikes are better.
- 1. Getting as much gold as possible
- 2. Murder as much Barrels as possible
- 3. Kill as much monsters as possible
- 4. Mary Gillian
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Levi Kendall <gf...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Kurt Pattyn wrote:
> Its true that Diablo isn't an RPG. Because an RPG is some sort alternative
> world where your character lives.
> In RPG the character has a great freedom to do things and explorer the given
> world. But in Diablo there are
> only 4 important things to do, those 4 are the only reason to play diablo
>
> - 1. Getting as much gold as possible
> - 2. Murder as much Barrels as possible
> - 3. Kill as much monsters as possible
> - 4. Mary Gillian
You missed reasons number 5, 6, and 7:
5. Kill Bob.
6. BKK
7. Make BBQ.
Skee
Yea, *almost* never read this newsgroup. Diablo is just plain getting OLD
and I hardly ever play anymore. I'm more interested in what is going to be
happening with Diablo II (which I am HOPEING comes out soon).
>
>
>RSHanft wrote:
>>
>> Hm.
>>
>> Where could I get a copy (or d/l, I have no clue what it is.. or how to get it
>> sooo.. don't blame me.) of Rogue?
>
>Most of such games are available for free from the Internet.
>
>Go to the site mentioned in the original poster's message, or go to
>Yahoo and type in "Rogue" or "Rogue like". You'll get a dozen matches
>for sure.
>
>
>Nikita.
If he wants to check out Angband
http://www.phial.com/angband/links.html#C1
should get people started, phial doesn't appear to be updated anymore,
but the links should get you going. Or pop into the newsgroup I'm
sure someone there can point you in the direction of some current
places.
Mike
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:> Levi Kendall wrote in message <7vmu1j$t06$1...@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
:>
:> >These games usually have no graphics mind you, just ascii; which explains
:> >why no one here knows what they are
:>
:>
:> ...am I the only one who thinks this is a wee bit offensive? Kinda jumping
:> to conclusions there aren't ya? What, you think we aren't "sophisticated"
:> or "savvy" enough to play a game where there are no graphics?
:>
:> Hummmm, maybe I'm just being too touchy today......
: No. I too was offended. *shrug* Unfortunately, some posters make
: some unfortunate assumptions about the audience here.
It was, indeed, an offensive, careless, assumption.
: Bah. When I ran my multi-line BBS 'back in the day' (ie well over a
: decade ago) we got by just fine with ASCII graphics! :-)
You had ASCII graphics? You lucky, lucky, b*st*rd! We had to have
the village shaman come to our hut and tattoo each scene on the backs
of our hands. After we'd chiselled down our next move, he'd rip the
skin off and we'd have to wait for it to regrow before we got the
next frame!
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On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Time Goddess wrote:
> Forget the dog, give me a wombat or give me death!
Wombat? WOMBAT!?!? Who you calling a wombat?
Trust me dude, that's a BIG compliment. ;)
>>Why,
when *I* was young, we didn't *have* any fancy "user interface"- we were
either born with telepathy or we were screwed!<<
-Jonny
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Levi Kendall wrote in message <7vp821$53p$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>| >These games usually have no graphics mind you, just ascii; which
explains
>| >why no one here knows what they are
>|
>| ...am I the only one who thinks this is a wee bit offensive? Kinda
>jumping
>| to conclusions there aren't ya? What, you think we aren't
"sophisticated"
>| or "savvy" enough to play a game where there are no graphics?
>|
>| Hummmm, maybe I'm just being too touchy today......
>
MMMMMMMMMMMMMM BBQ
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Skee::Daddle wrote in message ...
>
>
>On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Kurt Pattyn wrote:
>
>> - 4. Mary Gillian
>7. Make BBQ.
>
>Skee
>
No! You are a wombat! You are a wombat! You are a wombat!
BTW, what is a wombat?
On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, §tarchild¥ wrote:
> Doh!! We gotta marry her? Damn, I was hopin it was just for one
> night.......
>
Gillian is related to Bob through Bob's sister's brother-in-law who is the
father of Bob's grandfather's sister's cousin's niece's goat. So, by law,
if you have one night with Gillian, you *are* married to her (shotgun
style or regular, your choice).
Skee
That's a rack o ribs on me Skee.
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Skee::Daddle wrote in message ...
On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, §tarchild¥ wrote:
> Its true that Diablo isn't an RPG. Because an RPG is some sort alternative
> world where your character lives.
> In RPG the character has a great freedom to do things and explorer the given
> world. But in Diablo there are
> only 4 important things to do, those 4 are the only reason to play diablo
Indeed, a good list. But tell me - would you define Baldur's Gate an RPG? What
about the Might and Magic series? There are only *3* things to do in these
games:
1. Wander around aimlessly (here's the freedom you were talking about. For some
reason I equate all that wandering around as extreme boredom, but maybe I just
have a short attention span).
2. Click your way past all the pop up story dialogs as it's not all that
important anyway - the idea is to ...
3. Murder as many creatures as possible until you get to the endgame, where you
get to murder the ulimate personification of evil (hmmm, looks like Mad'Doug and
Celleste may start getting leading roles in these things soon).
Come to think of it, I can't really name one computer game that doesn't involve
the above to a large degree (no, I've never played the "Fallout" games).
Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine - people are always saying "Diablo isn't an RPG,
X or Y is an RPG ... blah blah". I say Diablo *is* an RPG because:
1. You play a role
2. The graphics, sound and gameplay immerse you into the game world
3. You can play online with other people and *interact* with them
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Blah. The typo trolls got into the previous subject line, but you get the idea :-)
> You had ASCII graphics? You lucky, lucky, b*st*rd! We had to have
> the village shaman come to our hut and tattoo each scene on the backs
> of our hands. After we'd chiselled down our next move, he'd rip the
> skin off and we'd have to wait for it to regrow before we got the
> next frame!
Ouch! Could this be the start of another one of those "back in my day, lad, we had
to ..." threads?
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Its an acronym-
WO- Woe is me, a statement of forlornity.
MB- Megabytes- Memory
AT- location (where's it at?"
It used to be WIMILMMDYKWIA
for:
"Woe is me, I've lost my mind, do you know where it's at?"
which was catchy as Wimil Mmday, Kwia, but soon supplanted by the chic "WOMBAT"
Dalai Lama
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On 4 Nov 1999, Dalai Lama wrote:
> >BTW, what is a wombat?
>
> Its an acronym-
>
> WO- Woe is me, a statement of forlornity.
> MB- Megabytes- Memory
> AT- location (where's it at?"
>
> It used to be WIMILMMDYKWIA
> for:
> "Woe is me, I've lost my mind, do you know where it's at?"
> which was catchy as Wimil Mmday, Kwia, but soon supplanted by the chic "WOMBAT"
LOL I thought is was some sort of PC word contraction for "WOMen in
comBAT."
Skee
On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, §tarchild¥ wrote:
> Doh!! We gotta marry her? Damn, I was hopin it was just for one
> night.......
>
Gillian is related to Bob through Bob's sister's brother-in-law who is
the
father of Bob's grandfather's sister's cousin's niece's goat. So, by
law,
if you have one night with Gillian, you *are* married to her (shotgun
style or regular, your choice).
WOOHOO! SHOTGUN WEDDING. Someone start passing out ammo and some
one else book a band that thinks jugs are an instrument, Skee fire up
the BBQ. We's havin' ourselves a wedding.
>BTW, what is a wombat?
>
Surprised some of the 'down unders' didn't pop in with this actual
definition:
wom·bat n. Any of several stocky, burrowing, Australian marsupials
of the family Vombatidae, somewhat resembling a small bear and feeding
mainly on grass, leaves, and roots
sounds cute
<exaggeration>And they can stop a truck dead in it's
tracks.</exaggeration>
This is one animal you don't want to hit with your car, they're
made like a brick s*!t house.
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I wouldn't mind having the ability to buy a few dogs for Diablo 2 characters.
Might be kind of fun to set your trusty pack loose on the fallen ones. Maybe
you could even play as the dog, and level up (very minor improvements). It
would be interesting to see how many demons you could kill as the Alpha Wolf
with nothing more than speed, sharp teeth and your pack at your back.
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>>BTW, what is a wombat?
wom·bat (wom'bat')
n.
Any of several stocky, burrowing, Australian marsupials of the
family Vombatidae, somewhat resembling a small bear and feeding
mainly on grass, leaves, and roots.
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>Hey!!!
>
>That's Cellestes job!
Sorry, I forgot that Celleste is the Official AGD On-line
dictionary :)
>
>BeerGuy <mj...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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That's Cellestes job!
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> On 04 Nov 1999 05:55:52 GMT, daia...@aol.com (Dalai Lama)
> wrote:
>
> >>BTW, what is a wombat?
>
> wom·bat (wom'bat')
> n.
> Any of several stocky, burrowing, Australian marsupials of the
> family Vombatidae, somewhat resembling a small bear and feeding
> mainly on grass, leaves, and roots.
>
>
> BeerGuy
> mj...@netscape.net
> http://home.rochester.rr.com/thecontinuum/index.html
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