Shiotachi!!
Doug Hanson
I just found Shiotachi and had a couple of questions the group might be
able to help me with....
1) I found Shiotachi with my sorcerer. Na-Krull dropped it while playing
single-player (which is all I play) on hell difficulty. I hadn't seen
Na-Krull drop any uniques before this so I'm wondering...
usually Na-Krull drops a warstaff, a long war bow, a great sword, and a
book of apoc (one goody for the monk, the rogue, the warrior, and the
sorcerer, respectively). Since Na-Krull drops uniques, does anyone if he
will only drop uniques of a particular type? (That is, he might drop the
Grandfather and Shiotachi since they are both greatswords but not, say,
Doombringer, which is a bastard sword). What other uniques has anyone
picked up from Na-Krull, and on what difficulty level?
If Na-Krull drops more of these I may have to visit him more often...even
though I hate zooming through the hive to have to open the crypt up.
(For those people who might think it matters: I got Shiotachi with a 36
level sorcerer, hell difficulty, single-player on May 5, 1998 @
approximately 11:40 a.m.)
2) My sorcerer already has Dreamflange (which is an incredible (to me)
story about that one -- I found Dreamflange on a weapon rack in the Warlord
of Blood's room on NORMAL hell) so I'm going to transfer Shiotachi (via the
cornerstone) to my bard (37th level). My bard is currently using a KSOH,
6-15 and a KSOV, 4-12. Since Shiotachi has fast attack I'm thinking of
replacing the KSOH with it. Does anyone know the exact effects of
"penetrates target's armor?" Shiotachi has definite "coolness" points over
a non-unique sword (even a KSOH) but any thoughts on effectiveness? Not as
good as?, just as good as?, better than a KSOH?
Thanks for your time,
Doug Hanson
PabloBob
Sorry, I cant answer your questions, but could you give me the stats on the
Shiotachi?
Thanx,
PabloBob
Doug Hanson wrote in message <6ind60$p...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
Doug Hanson
Shirotachi is a unique greatsword (damage 10-20, strength required: 75)
with the following bonuses:
* requires only one hand to use (greatswords normally require 2)
* bonus electrical damage of 6 points
* penetrates armor
* fastest attack
Shirotachi has no penalties.
Shirotachi is only found in the Hellfire add-on.
Later,
Doug Hanson
PabloBob <Pabl...@the18thhole.com> wrote in article
<6insav$7e2$1...@supernews.com>...
Doug Hanson
Previously I reported finding Shirotachi on Na-Krull (in hell difficulty),
which I thought was pretty nifty. I used the cornerstone to transfer the
sword to my bard and all was well. Very well.
I went back to kill Na-Krull a 2nd time (also on hell difficulty -- my
sorcerer needs both the experience and the apoc spell books) and once
again, found Shirotachi (the staff and bow were different however).
Weird, I thought to myself.
I went a third time (just as before), and even though I was still had
Shirotachi #2 in my possession (though not equipped) I found Shirotachi #3
on Na-Krull (though again, the staff and bow were different from before).
This is getting too weird.
Any thoughts? Is this some perculiar easter egg? Very freak chance?
BTW, I've sold Shirotachi #3 (only got 9k for it) and I'll probably make a
warrior just so he can use Shirotachi #2. :)
Later,
Doug Hanson
Toan Tran
what is this Hirotachi stuffs? is it a place, thing, or person?
Doug Hanson wrote in message <6io34o$p...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
DaIai Lama
>Previously I reported finding Shirotachi on Na-Krull (in hell difficulty),
>which I thought was pretty nifty. I used the cornerstone to transfer the
>sword to my bard and all was well. Very well.
>
>I went back to kill Na-Krull a 2nd time (also on hell difficulty -- my
>sorcerer needs both the experience and the apoc spell books) and once
>again, found Shirotachi (the staff and bow were different however).
>
>Weird, I thought to myself.
>
>I went a third time (just as before), and even though I was still had
>Shirotachi #2 in my possession (though not equipped) I found Shirotachi #3
>on Na-Krull (though again, the staff and bow were different from before).
>
>This is getting too weird.
>
>Any thoughts? Is this some perculiar easter egg? Very freak chance?
Actually according to some of the tidbits I have heard on dungeon seeding in
Hellfire, this makes sense. You were already carrying one of the best swords
(the KSOH) and when you started a new game, just as Wirt and Gris must match or
beat (at least according to their hierachry) the items you are carrying, so
must the item drops. (Though obviously, this doesn't mean every drop, but it
boosts the overall quality of the drops) In other words, with the sword you
are carrying, Na Krull has no choice but to offer you the Shirotachi since what
you carry is better than anything else he has, and he has to offer you a great
sword. I'd wager that if you dumped the KSOH and went with a lesser sword,
you'll see Na Krull change his offering as well. This isn't gospel, but your
experiences jibe with what I have experienced and heard.
Dalai Lama
paul
On 5 May 1998 16:02:08 GMT, "Doug Hanson"
<Doug.or.Sha...@NOSPAM.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Shirotachi does not increase your chance to hit like a Kings Sword
does. My Bard got Shirotachi from NaKrul, I think in Nightmare
difficulty, and used it with a Kings mace to increase chance to hit,
damage, and attack speed. It works well in conjunction with Stone
Curse where necessary.
Paul
Tobias Licht
> >
> >2) My sorcerer already has Dreamflange (which is an incredible (to me)
> >story about that one -- I found Dreamflange on a weapon rack in the Warlord
> >of Blood's room on NORMAL hell)
I don't think that uniques are much easier to find in higher difficulty
levels (I found all my uniques, including Dreamflange and Demonspike Coat)
in Normal mode)
> >
> Shirotachi does not increase your chance to hit like a Kings Sword
> does. My Bard got Shirotachi from NaKrul, I think in Nightmare
> difficulty, and used it with a Kings mace to increase chance to hit,
> damage, and attack speed. It works well in conjunction with Stone
> Curse where necessary.
> Paul
Question about that:
Do you hit multiple monsters with that combination ?????
I thought you could only hit more than one with 2 swords.
--
"Obviousness is always the enemy of correctness."
Bertrand Russel(1872-1970)
Tobias Licht ** D== **
eMail ud...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
Pedro Faria / Jarulf
On Wed, 06 May 1998 09:25:16 GMT, pau...@a2.com.au (paul) wrote:
>On 5 May 1998 16:02:08 GMT, "Doug Hanson"
><Doug.or.Sha...@NOSPAM.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>I just found Shiotachi and had a couple of questions the group might be
>>able to help me with....
>>
>>1) I found Shiotachi with my sorcerer. Na-Krull dropped it while playing
>>single-player (which is all I play) on hell difficulty. I hadn't seen
>>Na-Krull drop any uniques before this so I'm wondering...
>>
>>usually Na-Krull drops a warstaff, a long war bow, a great sword, and a
>>book of apoc (one goody for the monk, the rogue, the warrior, and the
>>sorcerer, respectively). Since Na-Krull drops uniques, does anyone if he
>>will only drop uniques of a particular type? (That is, he might drop the
>>Grandfather and Shiotachi since they are both greatswords but not, say,
>>Doombringer, which is a bastard sword). What other uniques has anyone
>>picked up from Na-Krull, and on what difficulty level?
>>
>>If Na-Krull drops more of these I may have to visit him more often...even
>>though I hate zooming through the hive to have to open the crypt up.
>>
>>(For those people who might think it matters: I got Shiotachi with a 36
>>level sorcerer, hell difficulty, single-player on May 5, 1998 @
>>approximately 11:40 a.m.)
>>
>>2) My sorcerer already has Dreamflange (which is an incredible (to me)
>>story about that one -- I found Dreamflange on a weapon rack in the Warlord
>>of Blood's room on NORMAL hell) so I'm going to transfer Shiotachi (via the
>>cornerstone) to my bard (37th level). My bard is currently using a KSOH,
>>6-15 and a KSOV, 4-12. Since Shiotachi has fast attack I'm thinking of
>>replacing the KSOH with it. Does anyone know the exact effects of
>>"penetrates target's armor?" Shiotachi has definite "coolness" points over
>>a non-unique sword (even a KSOH) but any thoughts on effectiveness? Not as
>>good as?, just as good as?, better than a KSOH?
>>
>>Thanks for your time,
>>
>>Doug Hanson
>>
>Shirotachi does not increase your chance to hit like a Kings Sword
>does.
This is not correct. It has the "penetrates armour" as one of its
attributes. Penetrates armour mean that the AC of the monster you hit
at is reduced (the three normal suffixes reduces the AC by 25, 50 and
75%). If I am not misstaken (I have all my papers at home) the
shitorachi reduces the AC by 50%. Depending on the AC of the monster
it does have more or less the same effect as increasing the tohit with
anything from 1 up to some 150% (I don't remember exactly what AC
hell/hell and hell/crypt monsters have). Also note that a barbarian
using a "penetrate armour" item will reduce the AC by a further 12.5%.
So it is in fact better than a +tohit weapon in my opinion.
> My Bard got Shirotachi from NaKrul, I think in Nightmare
>difficulty, and used it with a Kings mace to increase chance to hit,
>damage,
You could not possibly have missed with those two weapons :)
> and attack speed.
> It works well in conjunction with Stone
>Curse where necessary.
---
Pedro Faria
paul
On Wed, 06 May 1998 12:57:41 GMT, pedro...@chemeng.lth.*se (Pedro
Faria / Jarulf) wrote:
Thanks for that, I always wondered exactly how "penetrates armour"
works.
To the person who posted, it only seems to kill one at a time, but
I've been playing hell/hell with this character and they take some
killing, believe me. And you cannot get hit, even once, or you are in
big trouble. The Bard hasn't got a lot of hit points. This is where
stone curse is essential.
Paul
kg...@eaze.net
On 5 May 1998 22:16:56 GMT, "Doug Hanson"
<Doug.or.Sha...@NOSPAM.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Previously I reported finding Shirotachi on Na-Krull (in hell difficulty),
>which I thought was pretty nifty. I used the cornerstone to transfer the
>sword to my bard and all was well. Very well.
>
>I went back to kill Na-Krull a 2nd time (also on hell difficulty -- my
>sorcerer needs both the experience and the apoc spell books) and once
>again, found Shirotachi (the staff and bow were different however).
>
>Weird, I thought to myself.
>
>I went a third time (just as before), and even though I was still had
>Shirotachi #2 in my possession (though not equipped) I found Shirotachi #3
>on Na-Krull (though again, the staff and bow were different from before).
>
>This is getting too weird.
>
>Any thoughts? Is this some perculiar easter egg? Very freak chance?
>
>BTW, I've sold Shirotachi #3 (only got 9k for it) and I'll probably make a
>warrior just so he can use Shirotachi #2. :)
>
>Later,
>
>Doug Hanson
>
>
>
Are you doing the Aerosmith thing?Everytime i have done the Aerosmith
thing,he has given me Shirotachi. I am really not all that thrilled
with it,i use a Kings Sword (no haste) and Wizardspike and i find this
combo to be sufficient.Shirotachi really didnt make that big of a
difference.I like the added boost to my magic(especially since i use
mana for HPs)
Doug Hanson
No, I've got the cowquest off so I don't get the Aerosmith thing. My
sorcerer is the one who found my Shirotachis, but my bard is the one who
uses one of 'em. My bard used to use a king's sword of haste combined with
a king's sword of vampires with was very effective when combined with a
mana shield.
I replaced the king's sword of haste with Shirotachi. My "to-hit"
percentage was already high, and with one king's sword, a high dexterity,
and Shirotachi's armor penetration, my bard virtually always hits anything.
:)
Playing strictly by the numbers, the king's sword of haste (a 6-15, btw) is
probably better than Shirotachi, nevertheless I fell it is significantly
cooler to use a unique item whenever possible.
Now if I could only find (or convince Gris to sell me) a 6-15 king's sword
of vampires (mine is a broadsword, i.e., 4-12)...
Later,
Doug Hanson
kg...@eaze.net wrote in article <35520585...@news.eaze.net>...
DaIai Lama
>Now if I could only find (or convince Gris to sell me) a 6-15 king's sword
>of vampires (mine is a broadsword, i.e., 4-12)...
Keep after Griswold, you never know when those are going to show up. I go tmy
ksov when I fired up Diablo for a very quick run, just before heading out to
the airport one day and lo and behold, Gris had a prize ksov for sale. It
is still the only one I've ever seen Gris offer.
Dalai Lama