PK in D2 is Good for the game & here's why
SilverRaven
they ask:
>I think PK'ing will be good in Diablo 2. The reason is that, since
>cheating isn't a possibility, strength will be gained by game play &
>luck & skill. Especially when considering HardCore mode, it might only
>be possible to move up the ladder by killing(or atleast trying to) the
>people above you. Since you need to be the same level to go hostile, I
>don't see the problem here. I think it's a good concept.
Bzzzzz wrong. You can attack anyone level 9 or higher. People have
already been attacked by pk's 4 levels above them.
>Now, for those who feel like they can create a PUBLIC game without being
>attacked, come on! Create PRIVATE games that are password protected.
Bite me. I shouldn't HAVE to only play private games.
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Diablo is a world, and in a world you can found good people
and bad people, and without cheat that's ok if someone kill
you it's because he has better armor, weapons, skills, not
because cheating. Of course some of us get angry when get
killed, but let's remember that it's a game.
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SilverRaven
<mpoloxN...@hotmail.com.invalid> as they ask:
>I think the option of PK is good, let's remember that
>Diablo is a world, and in a world you can found good people
>and bad people, and without cheat that's ok if someone kill
>you it's because he has better armor, weapons, skills, not
>because cheating. Of course some of us get angry when get
>killed, but let's remember that it's a game.
Pay attention. I'll speak slowly for you so that you'll understand.
I don't pay money for a game so
that some anti-social twit can ruin my
free time.
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SilverRaven
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Mickey
>
> I think the option of PK is good, let's remember that
> Diablo is a world, and in a world you can found good people
> and bad people, and without cheat that's ok if someone kill
> you it's because he has better armor, weapons, skills, not
> because cheating. Of course some of us get angry when get
> killed, but let's remember that it's a game.
No Sweitzer, Diablo is a GAME, GAME, GAME. See, that the point, it's a
GAME. Games are supposed to be FUN, FUN, FUN for all who play them. Not
for the one moron who decides to screw it up for 7 other people, but for
ALL ALL ALL t he people who pay for it.
Mickey
Mickey
>
> Taking out her tarot cards, SilverRaven turns to MarKopolo
> <mpoloxN...@hotmail.com.invalid> as they ask:
>
> >Diablo is a world, and in a world you can found good people
> >and bad people, and without cheat that's ok if someone kill
> >you it's because he has better armor, weapons, skills, not
> >because cheating. Of course some of us get angry when get
> >killed, but let's remember that it's a game.
>
>
> I don't pay money for a game so
> that some anti-social twit can ruin my
> free time.
And neither will a host of us. I simply do not know what Blizzard is
thinking, but someone should collect all these posts and send them to
Blizzard.
Mickey
Mickey
>
> I think PK'ing will be good in Diablo 2. The reason is that, since
> cheating isn't a possibility, strength will be gained by game play &
> luck & skill. Especially when considering HardCore mode, it might only
> be possible to move up the ladder by killing(or atleast trying to) the
> people above you. Since you need to be the same level to go hostile, I
> don't see the problem here. I think it's a good concept.
>
> attacked, come on! Create PRIVATE games that are password protected.
Thank you for the update Einstein... No one would have known to do that
without your useless post. Of course, like all idiots, you miss the
point. I want to meet NEW, that's **NEW** people. Now, Fermi, how to I
do that in password protected games. COme on, it's a simple question for
a simple man.
Mickey
MarKopolo
SilverRaven <silve...@SPAMBAIThome.com> wrote:
> Taking out her tarot cards, SilverRaven turns to
> MarKopolo
> <mpoloxN...@hotmail.com.invalid> as they ask:
> >I think the option of PK is good, let's remember that
> >Diablo is a world, and in a world you can found good
> people
> >and bad people, and without cheat that's ok if
> someone kill
> >you it's because he has better armor, weapons,
> skills, not
> >because cheating. Of course some of us get angry when
> get
> >killed, but let's remember that it's a game.
> Pay attention. I'll speak slowly for you so that
> you'll understand.
> I don't pay money for a
> game so
> that some anti-social twit can ruin
> my
> free time.
> SilverRaven
> Reality is for those that can't handle Usenet.
> -
> Vote for Hotel Andy please, one vote a day. TY!
> http://www.thesitefights.com/warzone/othrvote.htm
> -
> You're a chat addict - If you postpone your graduation
> so you
> can keep your free .edu account.
hoouupps take it easy, i'm not a PK, what i say is that PK
is an "option" for the game , blizzard's designers really
think on puting that "option". If no one make any cheat is
good, of course you can be PKed (that's not funny ) but have
you ever PKed a friend ? just to have fun. what i mean is,
that there are people that like to play against other
players an PK should be an option, like when you play doom,
sometimes you play friendly and others times you play agains
other players. because there's a challenge not only killing
monsters, somethimes it becomes boring so you try to have
fun in another way (of course you have to PK with people you
know and not PK people that are playing in "friendly"
mode).
All people want a realistic game, move doors, look into a
hole, take a bone from the floor, enter in a room, hit a
cow, but for some werid reason some people dont want to get
hurt playing..
And about pay money for an antosocial person ... well that's
happening in Diablo, because they cheat, but in D2 it will
be less, and remenber you can leave a game any time you
want, or create paswworded games.
Ghashûl
<mpoloxN...@hotmail.com.invalid> used a sledgehammer upon their
keyboard, and this is what came out:
>And about pay money for an antosocial person ... well that's
>happening in Diablo, because they cheat, but in D2 it will
>be less, and remenber you can leave a game any time you
>want, or create paswworded games.
But I _don't_ want to leave the game with 7 new friends because ONE
jerk comes along.
I'd rather have him not come..
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Vote for a no-pk option in Diablo2: http://www.ghashul.dk/
"Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul"
"They didn't have any aspirin, so I got you some cigarettes."
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MarKopolo II
point of view is wrong , very very wrong, I'm a totally
stupid person, i don't know what did i think while posting
my opinion.... you are right, specially since i coulden't
write any post with my old username "MarKopolo". does any
one know why??
Mandor
us to either allow PK'ing or not.
Let those of us who wish to do so, enjoy the game without PK'ing.
As a PK'er, you can always enjoy your game. We would like the same
opportunity, as non-PK's, to enjoy our game as we like.
IMHO, of course.
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Mandor
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Some should think before they speak...
Others shouldn't do either.
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O > Q
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"Keith" <keith@.com> wrote in message news:3947B02A.E595A2FA@.com...
> I think PK'ing will be good in Diablo 2. The reason is that, since
> cheating isn't a possibility, strength will be gained by game play &
> luck & skill. Especially when considering HardCore mode, it might only
> be possible to move up the ladder by killing(or atleast trying to) the
> people above you. Since you need to be the same level to go hostile, I
> don't see the problem here. I think it's a good concept.
>
> Now, for those who feel like they can create a PUBLIC game without being
> attacked, come on! Create PRIVATE games that are password protected.
>
> Keith - Killfile Participant :)
>
Keith
Battle.net... DUH!!!! You are a SIMPLETON, I agree 100%
Couldn't you have figured this out? That's why I have to post the details of
a Private game, for people like yourself who can't figure it out on thier
own... *smack*
Mickey wrote:
> Keith wrote:
> >
> > I think PK'ing will be good in Diablo 2. The reason is that, since
> > cheating isn't a possibility, strength will be gained by game play &
> > luck & skill. Especially when considering HardCore mode, it might only
> > be possible to move up the ladder by killing(or atleast trying to) the
> > people above you. Since you need to be the same level to go hostile, I
> > don't see the problem here. I think it's a good concept.
> >
> > Now, for those who feel like they can create a PUBLIC game without being
> > attacked, come on! Create PRIVATE games that are password protected.
>
Psyker
"Ghashûl" <gha...@ghashul.dk> schreef in bericht
news:3hofksgbu0cdrtnch...@ghashul.dk...
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:28:27 -0700, MarKopolo
> <mpoloxN...@hotmail.com.invalid> used a sledgehammer upon their
> keyboard, and this is what came out:
>
>
> >And about pay money for an antosocial person ... well that's
> >happening in Diablo, because they cheat, but in D2 it will
> >be less, and remenber you can leave a game any time you
> >want, or create paswworded games.
>
> But I _don't_ want to leave the game with 7 new friends because ONE
> jerk comes along.
> I'd rather have him not come..
So when you play with 7 friends i assume you are in a party?
and that would make the stats 7 players versus 1 pk that is also legit
i honestly don't see how you could lose from him ..... well ok perhaps when
you start fist-fighting.
- Asha-
Keith
games or off of Battle.net. I don't see the problem.... If I want to open
myself up to the possibility of PK's, not unlike Diablo, I play in Public games
with no password and allow strangers to come in. Ok, so if they go hostile
don't play with them and/or don't tell them where you are. According to
everything I've read, it's very hard to find someone in a game (not the stress
test mind you).
I just don't understand what the point is... What am I missing? (People who
reply by using insults need not reply, as that kind of reply is of no use to
me).
Keith - Killfile Participant :)
Mandor wrote:
> I think Blizzard ought to give us a switch when starting a game, that allows
> us to either allow PK'ing or not.
>
> Let those of us who wish to do so, enjoy the game without PK'ing.
>
> As a PK'er, you can always enjoy your game. We would like the same
> opportunity, as non-PK's, to enjoy our game as we like.
>
> IMHO, of course.
> --
>
> Mandor
>
> --------
> Some should think before they speak...
> Others shouldn't do either.
>
> \\ | //
> | O O |
> O > Q
> \ ~ /
> V
>
> "Keith" <keith@.com> wrote in message news:3947B02A.E595A2FA@.com...
> > I think PK'ing will be good in Diablo 2. The reason is that, since
> > cheating isn't a possibility, strength will be gained by game play &
> > luck & skill. Especially when considering HardCore mode, it might only
> > be possible to move up the ladder by killing(or atleast trying to) the
> > people above you. Since you need to be the same level to go hostile, I
> > don't see the problem here. I think it's a good concept.
> >
> > Now, for those who feel like they can create a PUBLIC game without being
> > attacked, come on! Create PRIVATE games that are password protected.
> >
Mickey
>
> You're a PHuCKIN MORON!!!! You want to meet new people? Use the Chat area of
> Battle.net... DUH!!!! You are a SIMPLETON, I agree 100%
>
> Couldn't you have figured this out? That's why I have to post the details of
> a Private game, for people like yourself who can't figure it out on thier
> own... *smack*
Ah, well thank you for making your intellectual capacity known to us
all. So, I should hang out in a chat room with 20 people instead of
starting a public game and being able to draw from all the players in my
realm. Well, Thank you for your moronic input. Obvously, you are a PK
who's scared they'll take your replacement for genitalia away.
Mickey
>
> Mickey wrote:
>
> > Keith wrote:
> > >
> > > I think PK'ing will be good in Diablo 2. The reason is that, since
> > > cheating isn't a possibility, strength will be gained by game play &
> > > luck & skill. Especially when considering HardCore mode, it might only
> > > be possible to move up the ladder by killing(or atleast trying to) the
> > > people above you. Since you need to be the same level to go hostile, I
> > > don't see the problem here. I think it's a good concept.
> > >
> > > Now, for those who feel like they can create a PUBLIC game without being
> > > attacked, come on! Create PRIVATE games that are password protected.
> >
Ghashûl
sledgehammer upon their keyboard, and this is what came out:
>Battle.net... DUH!!!! You are a SIMPLETON, I agree 100%
>
>Couldn't you have figured this out? That's why I have to post the details of
>a Private game, for people like yourself who can't figure it out on thier
>own... *smack*
>
No you're the f#cking moron (see, it's correctly spelled and without
using almost all caps. I even filtered out the bad words for those who
have children reading)
We KNOW how to play private games, we do not WANT to HAVE to play
private games.
We want to MEET people in a GAME. Not on a chat which might as well be
IRC.
AND we want to do this WITHOUT a lamer like you coming and trying to
kill us.
--
Regards Ghashûl (The Wraith formerly known as Xyborg)
Vote for a no-pk option in Diablo2: http://www.ghashul.dk/
"Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul"
"Homer: But every time I learn something new, it pushes out
something old! Remember that time I took a home
wine-making course and forgot how to drive?
Marge: That's because you were drunk!
Homer: And how!"
-Homer Simpson
Mickey
>
> You can enjoy the game by playing with people you trust in password protected
> games or off of Battle.net. I don't see the problem.... If I want to open
And that's the problem, you don't see. I don't WANT to play in password
protected games, I want to be able to start a game, wait for friendly
people to show up, and play with them. WTF is so hard to understand
about this. Is your intelligence so limited that you can't see this. Do
you really think that if 7 players meet up randomly in a game and decide
to play a nice friendly co-op, that one moron such as yourself should
have the right to dictate to ALL those other 7 what kind of game to
play.
> myself up to the possibility of PK's, not unlike Diablo, I play in Public games
> with no password and allow strangers to come in. Ok, so if they go hostile
> don't play with them and/or don't tell them where you are. According to
> everything I've read, it's very hard to find someone in a game (not the stress
> test mind you).
>
> I just don't understand what the point is... What am I missing? (People who
> reply by using insults need not reply, as that kind of reply is of no use to
> me).
You are missing the fact that the objective of the game is not PKing. If
that's what you want to do, play mortal cobmat, Doom DeathMatch, or any
of a hundred other games. This is so simple, my 7 year old understands
it. Maybe I should have her explain it to you.
Mickey
>
> Keith - Killfile Participant :)
>
> Mandor wrote:
>
> > I think Blizzard ought to give us a switch when starting a game, that allows
> > us to either allow PK'ing or not.
> >
> > Let those of us who wish to do so, enjoy the game without PK'ing.
> >
> > As a PK'er, you can always enjoy your game. We would like the same
> > opportunity, as non-PK's, to enjoy our game as we like.
> >
> > IMHO, of course.
> > --
> >
> > Mandor
> >
> > --------
> > Some should think before they speak...
> > Others shouldn't do either.
> >
> > \\ | //
> > | O O |
> > O > Q
> > \ ~ /
> > V
> >
> > "Keith" <keith@.com> wrote in message news:3947B02A.E595A2FA@.com...
> > > I think PK'ing will be good in Diablo 2. The reason is that, since
> > > cheating isn't a possibility, strength will be gained by game play &
> > > luck & skill. Especially when considering HardCore mode, it might only
> > > be possible to move up the ladder by killing(or atleast trying to) the
> > > people above you. Since you need to be the same level to go hostile, I
> > > don't see the problem here. I think it's a good concept.
> > >
> > > Now, for those who feel like they can create a PUBLIC game without being
> > > attacked, come on! Create PRIVATE games that are password protected.
> > >
Blade
news:023a5bf4.5f36a335@usw-
<snip>
> If no one make any cheat is
> good, of course you can be PKed (that's not funny ) but have
> you ever PKed a friend ? just to have fun. what i mean is,
> that there are people that like to play against other
> players an PK should be an option, like when you play doom,
> sometimes you play friendly and others times you play agains
> other players. because there's a challenge not only killing
> monsters, somethimes it becomes boring so you try to have
> fun in another way (of course you have to PK with people you
> know and not PK people that are playing in "friendly"
> mode
There's a difference between pk'ind and duelling. Duelling is concensual
(sp?)
Pk'ing is not. Probably comparable to making love and being rapped...same
concept :)
Blade - You can't rape the willing
Blade
> You're a PHuCKIN MORON!!!! You want to meet new people? Use the Chat area
of
> Battle.net... DUH!!!! You are a SIMPLETON, I agree 100%
>
> Couldn't you have figured this out? That's why I have to post the details
of
> a Private game, for people like yourself who can't figure it out on thier
> own... *smack*
No wonder your a k/f participant...lol
Blade
LineNoise
<ke...@home.net> gave us the following Prophecy:
>You can enjoy the game by playing with people you trust in password protected
>games or off of Battle.net. I don't see the problem.... If I want to open
>myself up to the possibility of PK's, not unlike Diablo, I play in Public games
>with no password and allow strangers to come in. Ok, so if they go hostile
>don't play with them and/or don't tell them where you are. According to
>everything I've read, it's very hard to find someone in a game (not the stress
>test mind you).
The point is, I want to start a game and meet some new people. If I'm in a
game, having fun with my new friends, and some 12 year-old anti-social
@sshole decides to come into my game and start mouthing off and trying to
kill people, then he is ruining my fun and that of my companions. Where do
you and Blizzard get off promoting a system where the amount of fun the PK
is having is more important than that of the 5 people whose game he wreaks.
All we want is a system where we are allowed to have the kind of fun that
we want to have, without someone else enforcing his rules upon us. We
aren't trying to ruin anyone's fun, we just want to be able to play without
the PK's ruining ours.
And I know all about private games, so don't give me that line of bull. I
only play private games in D1, because that's all I can play without the
game being ruined by some random idiot. However, I can't always find
someone online when I want to play, and when I can't, I'm just supposed to
cancel my fun? I want to be able to enter or create a public game, and
have other people to play with, without having to worry about a d!ckless
juvenile trying to ruin my game with his anti-social idiocy. And I don't
want to sit in a chat room that only holds 20 people, waiting for half an
hour listening to more random idiots spouting off about how many newbies
they've slaughtered or how burly their hacked-up character is, waiting for
one decent person to show up. I want to create a game that everyone can
see and have people join it so that we can get right to adventuring.
>I just don't understand what the point is... What am I missing? (People who
>reply by using insults need not reply, as that kind of reply is of no use to
>me).
One more person who needs to follow his own bloody advice. So far I've
seen you flame the sh!t out of Mickey, (or at least try to), simply for
expressing his opinion.
>Keith - Killfile Participant :)
That's really pretentious. Nobody killfiled you, they had problems with
their servers. But if you continue mouthing off and supporting PK's, I'm
sure you will end up in a few. And that really isn't something to be proud
of, unless you're as juvenile as the idiots who PK so they can ruin
someone's fun.
LineNoise
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Rich G.
Keith <ke...@home.net> scratched on the wall:
>games or off of Battle.net. I don't see the problem.... If I want to open
>myself up to the possibility of PK's, not unlike Diablo, I play in Public games
>with no password and allow strangers to come in. Ok, so if they go hostile
>don't play with them and/or don't tell them where you are. According to
>everything I've read, it's very hard to find someone in a game (not the stress
>test mind you).
But what if I want to play in a game with new ppl, ppl I've never met
before? Just start a game and let complete strangers join? That can be
fun. I've met great ppl in some of the MMORPG's out there. Not in the
chat area, but playing with them. That's a blast. In BOTH of these
games I'm immune to the other players unless both of us decide to go
PK, why can't it be like that in D2? Why Does blizzard feel that PK is
needed in a game? If I"m having a good game and kicking butt and a
PK'er comes in 4 levels higher than me I don't have a chance. I HAVE
to leave my game, the game _I_ started to meet decent ppl who want to
have fun. If there are other ppl in the game they have to leave too
lest he turn on them as well. How is it that the JERK has the ability
to do what he wants (attack and probably kill us) while we don't (the
ability to play a game without being molested by other players?) He'd
be a fool to go hostile against us if he were lower than we are so of
course he'll be higher and our chances of survival in the game we're
already playing goes down quite a bit.
I think making PK something that both players don't have to agree on
is just insane. I had thought they would have fixed it in D2. Maybe
they will yet. who knows?
Sure, there are passworded games, but those are for playing with ppl
you know already. That's only half the fun. The other part is meeting
people. That is the only reason I still play EQ is the great ppl I've
met. I would like to think such a thing was possible in D2 as well,
but we'll probably end up hopping from game to game to avoid some
lamer with nothing to do all day but Level up so he can annoy us.
I see your point, but do you see mine?
--
Rich G. http://www.cyberjunkie.com/richg
"You must be the hammer or the anvil." - Goethe
Rich G.
"Messiah" <mes...@microsoft.com> scratched on the wall:
>
>And what is stopping you and you 5 compainions from killing the PKer? 6 on 1
>the PKer should be dispatched of quite easily.
PKers aren't stupid. : ) Anti-social but not rock stupid. I doubt
they'd walk into a camp of a full group. Two maybe, depending on the
level disparity and the equipment.
Rich G.
Mickey <mic...@home.com> scratched on the wall:
>No Sweitzer, Diablo is a GAME, GAME, GAME. See, that the point, it's a
>GAME. Games are supposed to be FUN, FUN, FUN for all who play them. Not
>for the one moron who decides to screw it up for 7 other people, but for
>ALL ALL ALL t he people who pay for it.
I think you have the reverb turned up too high high high. : )
Rich G.
Keith <ke...@home.net> scratched on the wall:
>I see where you are coming from, but I don't see how this can happen with the
>current game? Blizzard says that the game is ready to be released & I'm sure they
>aren't going to change it now... It may be possible for a patch later on, but I
>think people are going to have to realize that, atleast right now, you can't create
>a public game without the possibility that a pk'er might join it.
Oh, it's amazing the patches someone will download if it's at the
front-end of the login process. *grin* Anyone here ever play EQ or AC?
hahaha 30 minute patches before you can "Click here to play" What're
you gonna do complain? Sure, go ahead, meanwhile you're patched LOL.
hehehe
Messiah
LineNoise <brian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sg5gksgi9ejj5u7fg...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:08:32 GMT, the Oracle known as Keith
> <ke...@home.net> gave us the following Prophecy:
>
> >You can enjoy the game by playing with people you trust in password
protected
open
> >myself up to the possibility of PK's, not unlike Diablo, I play in Public
games
> >with no password and allow strangers to come in. Ok, so if they go
hostile
> >don't play with them and/or don't tell them where you are. According to
> >everything I've read, it's very hard to find someone in a game (not the
stress
> >test mind you).
>
a
> game, having fun with my new friends, and some 12 year-old anti-social
> @sshole decides to come into my game and start mouthing off and trying to
> kill people, then he is ruining my fun and that of my companions. Where
do
> you and Blizzard get off promoting a system where the amount of fun the PK
> is having is more important than that of the 5 people whose game he
wreaks.
> All we want is a system where we are allowed to have the kind of fun that
> we want to have, without someone else enforcing his rules upon us. We
> aren't trying to ruin anyone's fun, we just want to be able to play
without
> the PK's ruining ours.
>
>
And what is stopping you and you 5 compainions from killing the PKer? 6 on 1
the PKer should be dispatched of quite easily.
--
Messiah,
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Mickey <mic...@home.com> wrote in message
news:3948080F...@home.com...
> Keith wrote:
> >
> > You're a PHuCKIN MORON!!!! You want to meet new people? Use the Chat
area of
> > Battle.net... DUH!!!! You are a SIMPLETON, I agree 100%
> >
> > Couldn't you have figured this out? That's why I have to post the
details of
> > a Private game, for people like yourself who can't figure it out on
thier
> > own... *smack*
>
> all. So, I should hang out in a chat room with 20 people instead of
> starting a public game and being able to draw from all the players in my
> realm. Well, Thank you for your moronic input. Obvously, you are a PK
> who's scared they'll take your replacement for genitalia away.
>
> Mickey
>
> >
> > Mickey wrote:
> >
> > > Keith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > cheating isn't a possibility, strength will be gained by game play &
> > > > luck & skill. Especially when considering HardCore mode, it might
only
> > > > be possible to move up the ladder by killing(or atleast trying to)
the
> > > > people above you. Since you need to be the same level to go
hostile, I
> > > > don't see the problem here. I think it's a good concept.
> > > >
> > > > Now, for those who feel like they can create a PUBLIC game without
being
> > > > attacked, come on! Create PRIVATE games that are password
protected.
> > >
that
> > > without your useless post. Of course, like all idiots, you miss the
> > > point. I want to meet NEW, that's **NEW** people. Now, Fermi, how to I
> > > do that in password protected games. COme on, it's a simple question
for
> > > a simple man.
> > >
> > > Mickey
I think you have proven yourself to be as intellectual as you described
Keith in your argument 2 posts above, buy resorting to calling people simple
and making other such assumptions on peoples intelligence simply because
they don't share the same opinion as you.
From the tone of your messages it seems that you just can't accept that
Blizzard have choosen to market and model the game towards the highest
number of people it possibly can. It seems as if you believe that Blizzard
owe it to you to release the game as you would like it to be. I'm afraid
that Blizzard dosen't owe you anything, they have just create a game which
will appeal to the largest number of players possible.
Keith
beginning.
Blade wrote:
> "Keith" <ke...@home.net> wrote in message news:394800F0...@home.net...
> > You're a PHuCKIN MORON!!!! You want to meet new people? Use the Chat area
> of
> > Battle.net... DUH!!!! You are a SIMPLETON, I agree 100%
> >
> > Couldn't you have figured this out? That's why I have to post the details
> of
> > a Private game, for people like yourself who can't figure it out on thier
> > own... *smack*
>
Keith
you... Perhaps you should wait till you grow up in intellect and read these yourself?
Mickey wrote:<snip>
> Keith wrote:<snip>
Keith
P.S. I like the name (Keith - Killfile Participant :)) and it has nothing to do with
messages not posting.
LineNoise wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:08:32 GMT, the Oracle known as Keith
> <ke...@home.net> gave us the following Prophecy:
>
> >You can enjoy the game by playing with people you trust in password protected
> >games or off of Battle.net. I don't see the problem.... If I want to open
> >myself up to the possibility of PK's, not unlike Diablo, I play in Public games
> >with no password and allow strangers to come in. Ok, so if they go hostile
> >don't play with them and/or don't tell them where you are. According to
> >everything I've read, it's very hard to find someone in a game (not the stress
> >test mind you).
>
> The point is, I want to start a game and meet some new people. If I'm in a
> game, having fun with my new friends, and some 12 year-old anti-social
> @sshole decides to come into my game and start mouthing off and trying to
> kill people, then he is ruining my fun and that of my companions. Where do
> you and Blizzard get off promoting a system where the amount of fun the PK
> is having is more important than that of the 5 people whose game he wreaks.
> All we want is a system where we are allowed to have the kind of fun that
> we want to have, without someone else enforcing his rules upon us. We
> aren't trying to ruin anyone's fun, we just want to be able to play without
> the PK's ruining ours.
>
> And I know all about private games, so don't give me that line of bull. I
> only play private games in D1, because that's all I can play without the
> game being ruined by some random idiot. However, I can't always find
> someone online when I want to play, and when I can't, I'm just supposed to
> cancel my fun? I want to be able to enter or create a public game, and
> have other people to play with, without having to worry about a d!ckless
> juvenile trying to ruin my game with his anti-social idiocy. And I don't
> want to sit in a chat room that only holds 20 people, waiting for half an
> hour listening to more random idiots spouting off about how many newbies
> they've slaughtered or how burly their hacked-up character is, waiting for
> one decent person to show up. I want to create a game that everyone can
> see and have people join it so that we can get right to adventuring.
>
> >I just don't understand what the point is... What am I missing? (People who
> >reply by using insults need not reply, as that kind of reply is of no use to
> >me).
>
Keith
wasteing your time on this issue. Can't anyone EVER be happy with anything anymore....
*sigh*
P.S. I know how to spell it, but you got the idea.
"Ghashûl" wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:02:50 GMT, Keith <ke...@home.net> used a
> sledgehammer upon their keyboard, and this is what came out:
>
> >You're a PHuCKIN MORON!!!! You want to meet new people? Use the Chat area of
> >Battle.net... DUH!!!! You are a SIMPLETON, I agree 100%
> >
> >Couldn't you have figured this out? That's why I have to post the details of
> >a Private game, for people like yourself who can't figure it out on thier
> >own... *smack*
> >
>
Keith
If you do, you are negligent. Once someone goes hostile, you have the option
to stay in the game or leave the game right? So, how do you get pk'ed??
If you are standing in the middle of traffic and know that if you wait there
long enough you will get run over.... if you get run over, who's fault is it?
Keith
current game? Blizzard says that the game is ready to be released & I'm sure they
aren't going to change it now... It may be possible for a patch later on, but I
think people are going to have to realize that, atleast right now, you can't create
a public game without the possibility that a pk'er might join it.
Personally, I've always been pk'ed & have never been on the killing side (in Diablo
1), but, if I am playing HardCore mode and I want to move up, then killing off
someone above me will be an option I will explore. So I guess I will be a pk, but a
purposefull one...
Keith - Killfile Participant :)
"Rich G." wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:08:32 GMT, the domesticated primate called
> Keith <ke...@home.net> scratched on the wall:
>
> >games or off of Battle.net. I don't see the problem.... If I want to open
> >myself up to the possibility of PK's, not unlike Diablo, I play in Public games
> >with no password and allow strangers to come in. Ok, so if they go hostile
> >don't play with them and/or don't tell them where you are. According to
> >everything I've read, it's very hard to find someone in a game (not the stress
> >test mind you).
>
SilverRaven
<ke...@home.net> as they ask:
>There is no reason why anyone should be pk'ed in a game as far as I can tell.
>If you do, you are negligent. Once someone goes hostile, you have the option
>to stay in the game or leave the game right? So, how do you get pk'ed??
>
>If you are standing in the middle of traffic and know that if you wait there
>long enough you will get run over.... if you get run over, who's fault is it?
How about someone decides they want your house and all the stuff in
it? Just leave it all right? Yea that works to keep you alive but
doesn't change the fact that it's frigging WRONG!
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Keith
neighboors that they were going to come in your house and take your stuff. Now, at
this point, I have the option of pulling out my weapon and defending myself.. or I
can sit there and do nothing and be killed, or I can run for my life. Seems these
are the same options in D2?
Keith - Killfile Participant ;)
LineNoise
<ke...@home.net> gave us the following Prophecy:
>Well, under the current terms, they would first declare to you and all your
>neighboors that they were going to come in your house and take your stuff. Now, at
>this point, I have the option of pulling out my weapon and defending myself.. or I
>can sit there and do nothing and be killed, or I can run for my life. Seems these
>are the same options in D2?
Not the best analogy, but yeah those are your options. What we want is
another option. We want be able to tell the PK: "I don't want you robbing
my house, go away." The equivalent of calling the cops and letting them
deal with it. I don't want to have to defend myself all the time, I want
to be able to play a public game and meet new people without worrying about
getting stabbed in the back or being chased away.
LineNoise
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Keith
manufacturing already. Only hope for this option is a patch later... or waiting until
Diablo 3 (if there is one). I like the idea, just don't think it will happen so I deal
with the game the way it is...
LineNoise
<mes...@microsoft.com> gave us the following Prophecy:
>> The point is, I want to start a game and meet some new people. If I'm in
>a
>> game, having fun with my new friends, and some 12 year-old anti-social
>> @sshole decides to come into my game and start mouthing off and trying to
>> kill people, then he is ruining my fun and that of my companions. Where
>do
>> you and Blizzard get off promoting a system where the amount of fun the PK
>> is having is more important than that of the 5 people whose game he
>wreaks.
>> All we want is a system where we are allowed to have the kind of fun that
>> we want to have, without someone else enforcing his rules upon us. We
>> aren't trying to ruin anyone's fun, we just want to be able to play
>without
>> the PK's ruining ours.
>>
>>
>
>And what is stopping you and you 5 compainions from killing the PKer? 6 on 1
>the PKer should be dispatched of quite easily.
I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't anyone concieve of this
one simple fact!! I want to play a co-op game and fight against the
monsters. I have no desire to have to drop everything every five minutes
and scramble to fight off yet another moronic anti-social juvenile. 6
people probably could beat up one PK, but what if he catches one of us
alone? Or comes in when I'm just starting and nobody else has joined? Or
my companions are off fighting monsters while I run back to town? I want
to be able to play a game without worrying all the time about what PK is
going to come in next. I don't care one whit what the PK does on his own
time in his own games, but I don't want to have him barging in and
disrupting my fun. If I hadn't already ordered the game, this thread would
have convinced me to wait. It seems that whether or not the juvenile
delinquent trying to PK me is having fun or not is more important than
whether or not I'm enjoying the game. I think that's a pretty f#cked up
philosophy for Blizzard to have. I imagine, (and this thread backs me up),
that there are a lot more paying customers interested in having a good
co-op experience than there are people who just want to kill newbies to get
their jollies. And yet it seems that Blizzard has chosen to sit on the
fence and allow the PK's to kill anyone they want, while making token steps
towards a PK solution. I think that's a pretty chickensh!t way to do
business, and I'm thinking about cancelling my preorder unless Blizzard
does something about it.
LineNoise
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LineNoise
<ke...@home.net> gave us the following Prophecy:
>Go back and re-read the thread... I didn't start with the insults, He did.
Why don't you follow your own advice. I see a post by you about how PK'ing
is a good thing, and just go play private games. Mickey had already stated
more than once that he knew about this option and was unsatisfied with it.
He responded to your post, using sarcasm to illustrate his point, and to
point out how your solution was quite obvious and he had already dismissed
it. You responded to his sarcasm by calling him a phucking moron, a
simpleton, and administering a virtual *smack*. It looks to me like you
were the aggresor in that situation.
LineNoise
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Damson`Rhee`NW - level 32 NW2 Rogue
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At first there was nothing. Then God said 'Let there be light!' Then there
was still nothing. But you could see it.
Keith
Mickeys FIRST reply to my message:
"Thank you for the update Einstein... No one would have
known to do that
without your useless post. Of course, like all idiots, you
miss the
point. I want to meet NEW, that's **NEW** people. Now, Fermi,
how to I
do that in password protected games. COme on, it's a simple question
for
a simple man."
LineNoise
<ke...@home.net> gave us the following Prophecy:
>I understand, but I don't think it will happen... Especially since the game is off to
>manufacturing already. Only hope for this option is a patch later... or waiting until
>Diablo 3 (if there is one). I like the idea, just don't think it will happen so I deal
>with the game the way it is...
Why wouldn't it happen? They can release a patch before they even release
the game, just patch it when the log on to B.net. And the only reason that
it's not going to happen is that too many people have exactly that
attitude, so they don't even try to fix something that they know is wrong.
I was going to buy it, with or without the anti-pk patch, but now I've
decided that I've waited long enough for the damn game, I can afford to
wait a couple more weeks to give Blizzard some incentive to fix it. Now if
I can only figured out how to cancel my pre-order. I'm perfectly willing
to continue playing VK, or NW, if by not purchasing D2 I can help convince
Blizzard to fix something that is broken.
LineNoise
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Messiah
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:26:37 GMT, the Oracle known as Keith
your
> >neighboors that they were going to come in your house and take your
stuff. Now, at
> >this point, I have the option of pulling out my weapon and defending
myself.. or I
> >can sit there and do nothing and be killed, or I can run for my life.
Seems these
> >are the same options in D2?
>
> Not the best analogy, but yeah those are your options. What we want is
> another option. We want be able to tell the PK: "I don't want you robbing
> my house, go away." The equivalent of calling the cops and letting them
Sounds an awful lot like the role the anti-PK guilds will play.
Messiah
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:12:40 GMT, the Oracle known as Keith
did.
>
> Why don't you follow your own advice. I see a post by you about how
PK'ing
> is a good thing, and just go play private games. Mickey had already
stated
> more than once that he knew about this option and was unsatisfied with it.
> He responded to your post, using sarcasm to illustrate his point, and to
> point out how your solution was quite obvious and he had already dismissed
> it. You responded to his sarcasm by calling him a phucking moron, a
> simpleton, and administering a virtual *smack*. It looks to me like you
> were the aggresor in that situation.
>
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> was still nothing. But you could see it.
Keith's right, Mickey did through the first insult:
>Mickey wrote:
>
>Thank you for the update Einstein... No one would have known to do that
>without your useless post. Of course, like all idiots, you miss the
>point. I want to meet NEW, that's **NEW** people. Now, Fermi, how to I
>do that in password protected games. COme on, it's a simple question for
>a simple man.
>
>Mickey
Where's the sarcasm? All I can see is insults.
Messiah
Rich G. <psyb...@email.com> wrote in message
news:hv9gksoeadu3iv869...@4ax.com...
I welcome PKers that are willing to Roleplay bad characters. Characters
which will enter a game with a purpose, be it to take gold or a particular
item, then leave once they get that item without killing anyone if they get
what they want. There is quite a difference to a PK who is considered "bad"
or annoying, and a PKer who roleplays a "bad" character.
Warren J. Dew
And what is stopping you and you 5 compainions from killing the PKer?
6 on 1 the PKer should be dispatched of quite easily.
Given the higher limit on the number of players in Diablo II, expect the PKers
to join games in gangs rather than solo.
Warren Dew
Stephen van Ham
announced to the masses:
>I welcome PKers that are willing to Roleplay bad characters. Characters
>which will enter a game with a purpose, be it to take gold or a particular
>item, then leave once they get that item without killing anyone if they get
>what they want. There is quite a difference to a PK who is considered "bad"
>or annoying, and a PKer who roleplays a "bad" character.
Although I agree there is a difference in some situations, in this
case, there is not. Whether a player joins the game and decides
he/she wants to kill me for whatever reason, be it because of some
social inadequacy, a bad day at the office, or because he/she is "role
playing" an assassin, the fact remains that he/she can ruin the game
experience for a large number of other players. By not including an
***OPTION*** to essentially "squelch" such actions in public games,
Blizzard is putting the wants of the minority (PK'ers) over the wants
of the majority (co-op, non PK'ing players).
--
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Something Kinky
<5clHOdnUT6Znbf...@4ax.com>:
>Taking out her tarot cards, SilverRaven turns to MarKopolo
><mpoloxN...@hotmail.com.invalid> as they ask:
>
>>I think the option of PK is good, let's remember that
>>Diablo is a world, and in a world you can found good people
>>and bad people, and without cheat that's ok if someone kill
>>you it's because he has better armor, weapons, skills, not
>>because cheating. Of course some of us get angry when get
>>killed, but let's remember that it's a game.
>
>Pay attention. I'll speak slowly for you so that you'll understand.
>
>I don't pay money for a game so
>that some anti-social twit can ruin my
>free time.
/me starts wildly applauding SilverRaven's wisdom...
Now if Methos hadn't spent $70 on the collector's edition until it was
patched, I would be a perfectly happy lady...
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Something Kinky
<023a5bf4...@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com>:
>hoouupps take it easy, i'm not a PK, what i say is that PK
>is an "option" for the game , blizzard's designers really
>think on puting that "option". If no one make any cheat is
>good, of course you can be PKed (that's not funny ) but have
>you ever PKed a friend ? just to have fun. what i mean is,
>that there are people that like to play against other
>players an PK should be an option, like when you play doom,
>sometimes you play friendly and others times you play agains
>other players. because there's a challenge not only killing
>monsters, somethimes it becomes boring so you try to have
>fun in another way (of course you have to PK with people you
>know and not PK people that are playing in "friendly"
>mode).
>All people want a realistic game, move doors, look into a
>hole, take a bone from the floor, enter in a room, hit a
>cow, but for some werid reason some people dont want to get
>hurt playing..
>And about pay money for an antosocial person ... well that's
>happening in Diablo, because they cheat, but in D2 it will
>be less, and remenber you can leave a game any time you
>want, or create paswworded games.
I have no problems getting accidentally killed, it is when some little
cheating m----------r runs up and continually kills me just for ears that
pisses me off... If I accidentally killed someone in Diablo, and I was
able, I would immediatly resurrect them (when safe), and allow them to
gather up all of their stuff... I do not touch other player's equipment,
save on explicitly given/recieved permission from said player... PK'ing
is, IMHO, wrong, and idiotic... Those of us playing semi-hardcore won't
care if our teammates frag us on an oops spell, just so long as they
rectify their mistakes...
Something Kinky
<8i96sh$tr0$1...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>:
>I think you have proven yourself to be as intellectual as you described
>Keith in your argument 2 posts above, buy resorting to calling people
simple
>and making other such assumptions on peoples intelligence simply because
>they don't share the same opinion as you.
>
>From the tone of your messages it seems that you just can't accept that
>Blizzard have choosen to market and model the game towards the highest
>number of people it possibly can. It seems as if you believe that Blizzard
>owe it to you to release the game as you would like it to be. I'm afraid
>that Blizzard dosen't owe you anything, they have just create a game which
>will appeal to the largest number of players possible.
Ok... Let's look at this rationally... How many people enjoy working hard
for something, just to have it taken away in a couple seconds by someone
who enjoys making other peoples' lives hell??? No-one that I know of...
Also, to bring up another point for you, what happens for those people who
either are playing hardcore mode, or simply DON'T KNOW anyone on
battle.net, and are just trying to get their first multiplayer
experience??? They a.) aren't going to know about private games, b.)
probably won't find out about pk's until after they hit level 9, c.) won't
appreciate losing everything they've worked so hard to get, and d.) won't
enjoy the game nearly as much as they could, without having someone rush
into a game simply to kill them, disrupt their free time, and run off with
equipment and/or other items, all for the worthless right to call
themselves 3|33+ pk'ers... Blizzard has NOT targeted the game for the
majority, they have targeted it for the MINORITY, with just enough
"safeguards" in place to pacify SOME of the MAJORITY...
Gornul
> Which part of this did you miss?
>
> Mickeys FIRST reply to my message:
>
> without your useless post. Of course, like all idiots, you miss the
> point. I want to meet NEW, that's **NEW** people. Now, Fermi, how to I
> do that in password protected games. COme on, it's a simple question for
> a simple man."
Ditch the HTML, dude. You're lucky that made it across a non-binary group
at all.
Gornul
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Something Kinky
<zbU15.82990$uw6.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>:
>"Keith" <ke...@home.net> wrote in message
news:394800F0...@home.net...
>> You're a PHuCKIN MORON!!!! You want to meet new people? Use the Chat
area
>of
>> Battle.net... DUH!!!! You are a SIMPLETON, I agree 100%
>>
>> Couldn't you have figured this out? That's why I have to post the
details
>of
>> a Private game, for people like yourself who can't figure it out on
thier
>> own... *smack*
>
>No wonder your a k/f participant...lol
>Blade
>
>
Just out of curiosity, how does one set up killfiles???
LineNoise
<mes...@microsoft.com> gave us the following Prophecy:
>> Not the best analogy, but yeah those are your options. What we want is
>> another option. We want be able to tell the PK: "I don't want you robbing
>> my house, go away." The equivalent of calling the cops and letting them
>> deal with it....
>
>Sounds an awful lot like the role the anti-PK guilds will play.
Nope. Anit-PK guilds are mostly about revenge and killing PK's. I don't
want to kill the PK's, I just want a game where I don't have to deal with
them trying to attack me. This is why I hate analogies, they are almost
always flawed, and in trying to stick to the framework of the analogy, you
are unable to properly articulate the point you are trying to make.
LineNoise
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Something Kinky
<8i9789$5um$1...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>:
>
>LineNoise <brian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:sg5gksgi9ejj5u7fg...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:08:32 GMT, the Oracle known as Keith
>> <ke...@home.net> gave us the following Prophecy:
>>
>> >You can enjoy the game by playing with people you trust in password
>protected
>> >games or off of Battle.net. I don't see the problem.... If I want to
>open
>> >myself up to the possibility of PK's, not unlike Diablo, I play in
Public
>games
>> >with no password and allow strangers to come in. Ok, so if they go
>hostile
>> >don't play with them and/or don't tell them where you are. According
to
>> >everything I've read, it's very hard to find someone in a game (not the
>stress
>> >test mind you).
>>
>> The point is, I want to start a game and meet some new people. If I'm
in
>a
>> game, having fun with my new friends, and some 12 year-old anti-social
>> @sshole decides to come into my game and start mouthing off and trying
to
>> kill people, then he is ruining my fun and that of my companions. Where
>do
>> you and Blizzard get off promoting a system where the amount of fun the
PK
>> is having is more important than that of the 5 people whose game he
>wreaks.
>> All we want is a system where we are allowed to have the kind of fun
that
>> we want to have, without someone else enforcing his rules upon us. We
>> aren't trying to ruin anyone's fun, we just want to be able to play
>without
>> the PK's ruining ours.
>>
>>
>
>And what is stopping you and you 5 compainions from killing the PKer? 6 on
1
>the PKer should be dispatched of quite easily.
>
>--
>Messiah,
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>---
>
>"People can make up statistics to prove anything,
>42.9% of people know that."
>
> - Homer J Simpson
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>--
>
>
>
>
Most of the time when I see a pk'er taking on legit characters, it doesn't
matter WHAT the odds are... The PK'er is usually so hacked up he/she can
walk right through the game without having to take a single potion...
Where's your common sense??? In the toilet being flushed with the rest of
the refuse???
Ok, I know the reference to walking through the game is exaggerated, but it
shows my point. Those of us who are playing a public game with the idea
that it be legit want to meet new people, not some teenager who can't get a
date to save his life, and just wants to take his frustrations out on the
first person he sees on battle.net... We want to interact with the other
players, and strive for a common goal... some of us just want to find gem
shrines, others just want to find set items, who cares? we can support
each other's goals in the game... However, there is no way we can help out
a pk except by becoming cannon fodder...
If Blizzard keeps everything in realms, with no open characters allowed on
battle.net, then we have a CHANCE of getting what we want, but those of us
without high-speed connections are sol...
Messiah
Something Kinky <asy...@somewhere.us.com> wrote in message
news:8F53D89F7met...@24.1.240.74...
I was not aware that anyone had come accross a hacked character in the
Diablo2 ST.
--
Messiah,
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Something Kinky
<8i9mvb$qb2$1...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>:
>> Most of the time when I see a pk'er taking on legit characters, it
doesn't
>> matter WHAT the odds are... The PK'er is usually so hacked up he/she
can
>> walk right through the game without having to take a single potion...
>> Where's your common sense??? In the toilet being flushed with the rest
of
>> the refuse???
>>
>
>I was not aware that anyone had come accross a hacked character in the
>Diablo2 ST.
>
It is only a matter of time once the game comes out... Until then, the
PK'ers are dealing with it by souping their character's stats up with gems,
set items, and other uniques...
And please, do some snipping in the future...
Messiah
> >Diablo2 ST.
> >
>
>
> It is only a matter of time once the game comes out... Until then, the
> PK'ers are dealing with it by souping their character's stats up with
gems,
> set items, and other uniques...
>
>
Souping up characters through means of gems/uniques is a perfectly valid way
of playing the game, and it's not as if only Pkers have access to these
items.
If hacks are released then the PKers themselves are not so much the issue,
the fact that they are using hacks is.
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Paladijn
<8F53D5353met...@24.1.240.74>:
>User-Agent: Xnews/2.11.08
select post form user, press K
(also in the menu article, at the bottom)
btw, update your version, it's really old :)
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Paladijn
<HhT15.36590$xe3.2...@nlnews00.chello.com>:
>but I _don't_ want to leave the game with 7 new friends because ONE
>> jerk comes along.
>> I'd rather have him not come..
>
>So when you play with 7 friends i assume you are in a party?
>and that would make the stats 7 players versus 1 pk that is also legit
>i honestly don't see how you could lose from him ..... well ok perhaps
>when you start fist-fighting.
It's not the need to fight others, you play a game of co-op where you don't
fight others. If someone forces the fight upon you (and keeps on hanging
out in the game disrupting it) your fun will be spoiled.
Ghashûl
sledgehammer upon their keyboard, and this is what came out:
>Tough. There are alot of wants, but this isn't a reality. Wait till Diablo 3 and stop
>wasteing your time on this issue. Can't anyone EVER be happy with anything anymore....
>*sigh*
>
I can easily be happy with something. PK's I'm not happy about, cause
they suck and ruin your game.
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Vote for a no-pk option in Diablo2: http://www.ghashul.dk/
"Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul"
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-Homer Simpson
Ghashûl
used a sledgehammer upon their keyboard, and this is what came out:
>the PKer should be dispatched of quite easily.
That is NOT the FRIGGING point!!!
He disrupts the game, no matter WHO dies!!!
--
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"Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul"
"Marge, don't discourage the boy! Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals! Except the weasel."
-Homer Simpson
LineNoise
<mes...@microsoft.com> gave us the following Prophecy:
>Souping up characters through means of gems/uniques is a perfectly valid way
>of playing the game, and it's not as if only Pkers have access to these
>items.
Yes, but if somebody has 20 hours a day to play the stress test and has
half a dozen perfect gems, a bunch of uniques and rares, set items, and is
two levels higher than me, and i only have a couple hours a day, and have
no where near the kind of equipment he has, the the fact that he got it
legitimately makes no difference. He's still so much stronger than me that
it isn't a challenge for him, and yet he still comes after me and tries to
kill me. Why? Becuase he gets off on ruining my fun. He's not in it for
a fair fight or a challenge, he just wants to make me suffer so that he can
soothe his shriveled ego and feel better about himself. What makes him so
important that Blizzard decides to let him do anything he wants to, while I
am forced to do something I don't want to do, simply to avoid this
undesireable element?
LineNoise
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LineNoise
<SPAMx...@yahoo.com> gave us the following Prophecy:
>"Keith" <ke...@home.net> wrote in message news:39483DD6...@home.net...
>> Which part of this did you miss?
>>
>> Mickeys FIRST reply to my message:
>>
>> "Thank you for the update Einstein... No one would have known to do that
>> without your useless post. Of course, like all idiots, you miss the
>> point. I want to meet NEW, that's **NEW** people. Now, Fermi, how to I
>> do that in password protected games. COme on, it's a simple question for
>> a simple man."
>
>Ditch the HTML, dude. You're lucky that made it across a non-binary group
>at all.
>
>Gornul
It didn't. I never saw it.
LineNoise
--
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Damson`Rhee`NW - level 32 NW2 Rogue
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information. She said they were behind the couch. She was right.
-- Stephen Wright
daia...@aol.kom
>There is no reason why anyone should be pk'ed in a game as far as I can tell.
>If you do, you are negligent. Once someone goes hostile, you have the option
>to stay in the game or leave the game right? So, how do you get pk'ed??
Have you battled Andariel yet? It's a rather nice bit of lag when
she starts talking, and trying to stay a few HP ahead of her attacks
can take every iota of your concentration the first few times. I
wouldn't have a clue about who had turned hostile (that skull is not
a big flashing neon orange Las Vegas sign, and I've missed it even
when I was told it was there) much less check party status and se if
they were coming after me.
>If you are standing in the middle of traffic and know that if you wait there
>long enough you will get run over.... if you get run over, who's fault is it?
Try the analogy the other way around, if you set only allow people to
stand in the middle of the highway, and force them to either dodge
traffic or find another highway to stand in, whose fault is it?
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daia...@aol.kom
>Tough. There are alot of wants, but this isn't a reality.
Why not? It will become one with open characters if Blizzard won't
make it one with the closed characters.
> Wait till Diablo 3
We already waited for this one in patch 1.04, 1.05, 1.07 and now
Diablo 2.
>and stop
>wasteing your time on this issue. Can't anyone EVER be happy with anything anymore....
>*sigh*
How about if we alternate versions? The PK's got to be happy last
version, so the anti-PK's get there way on this one. Blizzard can
make Diablo 3 pro-PK again. I daresay, you would see a numbers drop
if Blizzard went from no-PK to allowing PK. I know people who never
once played Diablo because of all the PK's yet they are looking
forward to trying out Diablo 2. These are the kind of people who
don't buy a game on day one no matter what. They have been burned
too many times before (as have I. I used to buy a game every week,
till I relaized they were usually all junk, or had at least oine major
annoying drawback- it doesn't take much to take a game from the area
of something fun, to something irritating. Try sprinkling some dead
cockroaches on your favorite salad and you'll see what I mean..
As soon as these friends here that PK'ing is still extant in Diablo 2,
they will move on and look for another game.
daia...@aol.kom
>And what is stopping you and you 5 compainions from killing the PKer? 6 on 1
>the PKer should be dispatched of quite easily.
Let's put it one step further. The game creator should have a gavel
just like a channel does. Besides being PK'd there are lots of
other ways somone could annoy, harass or antogonize players already in
the game.
daia...@aol.kom
>You can enjoy the game by playing with people you trust in password protected
>games or off of Battle.net. I don't see the problem....
What are the chances that some of the top players (at least judging by
the ladders) will randomly drop into one of your games if you don't
know them and it is password protected? I have had a couple such
games in the closed beta and it was fun playing alongside them, and
also chatting about the game and comparing item finds. No real
chance at all of that happening if I had ben playing passworded game,
not to mention that of joining other passworded games with people I
don't know.
> If I want to open
>myself up to the possibility of PK's, not unlike Diablo, I play in Public games
>with no password and allow strangers to come in. Ok, so if they go hostile
>don't play with them and/or don't tell them where you are. According to
>everything I've read, it's very hard to find someone in a game (not the stress
>test mind you).
Some boots of haste (so that you're walking speed isn't much slower
than your running) a few stamina potions and a quick peek at the party
screen (to see if Mr Prey is playing in Catecombs 1 or Dark Woods)
and it won't take you long at all to find the player you are after.
Psyker
"LineNoise" <brian...@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:554hks87mu243qplc...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:59:49 +1000, the Oracle known as "Messiah"
> <mes...@microsoft.com> gave us the following Prophecy:
>
> >Souping up characters through means of gems/uniques is a perfectly valid
way
> >of playing the game, and it's not as if only Pkers have access to these
> >items.
>
> Yes, but if somebody has 20 hours a day to play the stress test and has
> half a dozen perfect gems, a bunch of uniques and rares, set items, and is
> two levels higher than me, and i only have a couple hours a day, and have
> no where near the kind of equipment he has, the the fact that he got it
> legitimately makes no difference. He's still so much stronger than me
that
> it isn't a challenge for him, and yet he still comes after me and tries to
> kill me. Why? Becuase he gets off on ruining my fun. He's not in it for
> a fair fight or a challenge, he just wants to make me suffer so that he
can
> soothe his shriveled ego and feel better about himself. What makes him so
> important that Blizzard decides to let him do anything he wants to, while
I
> am forced to do something I don't want to do, simply to avoid this
> undesireable element?
>
> LineNoise
Well that doesn't really matter since a lv 9 char can get away from a lv 20
or whatever pk that is afyter him. As long as you keep moving ( running or
even walking ) the pk can target you run after you and try to hit you but
he'll alway's miss.just a weird little thing i tried : A lv 18 pk with haste
boots and a fast attack weapon can't kill a lv 9 player if that player
keep's moving , he just can't get hit you can run after him for an hour or
so.
And my point is you can't die if you keep moving So you'll be able to make
it for the nearest waypoint or friendly/tp.
- Asha-
so if you don't want
SilverRaven
they ask:
>Have you battled Andariel yet?
Can't in the ST Dalai. They only have the first two quests.
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>
> LineNoise <brian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sg5gksgi9ejj5u7fg...@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:08:32 GMT, the Oracle known as Keith
> >
> > >You can enjoy the game by playing with people you trust in password
> protected
> open
> > >myself up to the possibility of PK's, not unlike Diablo, I play in Public
> games
> > >with no password and allow strangers to come in. Ok, so if they go
> hostile
> > >don't play with them and/or don't tell them where you are. According to
> > >everything I've read, it's very hard to find someone in a game (not the
> stress
> > >test mind you).
> >
> a
> > game, having fun with my new friends, and some 12 year-old anti-social
> > @sshole decides to come into my game and start mouthing off and trying to
> > kill people, then he is ruining my fun and that of my companions. Where
> do
> > you and Blizzard get off promoting a system where the amount of fun the PK
> > is having is more important than that of the 5 people whose game he
> wreaks.
> > All we want is a system where we are allowed to have the kind of fun that
> > we want to have, without someone else enforcing his rules upon us. We
> > aren't trying to ruin anyone's fun, we just want to be able to play
> without
> > the PK's ruining ours.
> >
> >
>
> the PKer should be dispatched of quite easily.
OK... s l o w l y.... I DON'T WANT TO. I WANT TO PLAY DIABLO !!! Is this
so damned hard to understand. All I can say to everyone here is, if this
situation annoys you, have the courage of your convictions, and DO NOT
BUY THIS GAME.
Mickey
>
> --
> Messiah,
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
> "People can make up statistics to prove anything,
> 42.9% of people know that."
>
> - Homer J Simpson
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
Mickey
>
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:12:40 GMT, the Oracle known as Keith> >Go back and re-read the thread... I didn't start with the insults, He did.
>
> Why don't you follow your own advice. I see a post by you about how PK'ing
> is a good thing, and just go play private games. Mickey had already stated
> more than once that he knew about this option and was unsatisfied with it.
> He responded to your post, using sarcasm to illustrate his point, and to
> point out how your solution was quite obvious and he had already dismissed
> it. You responded to his sarcasm by calling him a phucking moron, a
> simpleton, and administering a virtual *smack*. It looks to me like you
> were the aggresor in that situation.
More to the point, he has the same attitude that I have found in most
PKs, leading me to believe that his protestations are motivated by self
interest.
Mickey
Mickey
>
> I see where you are coming from, but I don't see how this can happen with the
> current game? Blizzard says that the game is ready to be released & I'm sure they
> aren't going to change it now... It may be possible for a patch later on, but I
> think people are going to have to realize that, atleast right now, you can't create
> a public game without the possibility that a pk'er might join it.
A: The code is already in there.
B: No, they won't, they just won't buy the game.
>
> Personally, I've always been pk'ed & have never been on the killing side (in Diablo
> 1), but, if I am playing HardCore mode and I want to move up, then killing off
> someone above me will be an option I will explore. So I guess I will be a pk, but a
> purposefull one...
And I have always been a PKK. I have more ears that any 3 PK clans
combined. I have killed of entire clans. I have killed the most prolific
PKs on the bnet. SO WHAT? All of this is about as relevant as
chartruesse. The point is that this is NOT what the MAJORITY (read the
word a few more times) of Blizzards customers want. Once people begiun
to hear about how bad it is in D2, they will run away from this game
like the proverbial rats off the sinking ship.
Mickey
>
> Keith - Killfile Participant :)
>
<hey, check it out, a SNIP>
Mickey
> > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:12:40 GMT, the Oracle known as Keith
> > <ke...@home.net> gave us the following Prophecy:
> >
> > >Go back and re-read the thread... I didn't start with the insults, He
> did.
> >
> > Why don't you follow your own advice. I see a post by you about how
> PK'ing
> > is a good thing, and just go play private games. Mickey had already
> stated
> > more than once that he knew about this option and was unsatisfied with it.
> > He responded to your post, using sarcasm to illustrate his point, and to
> > point out how your solution was quite obvious and he had already dismissed
> > it. You responded to his sarcasm by calling him a phucking moron, a
> > simpleton, and administering a virtual *smack*. It looks to me like you
> > were the aggresor in that situation.
> >
> > --
> > ICQ# 68214833
> > Damson`Rhee`VK - level 44 V&K Diablo Rogue (62 million to level)
> > Damson`Rhee`NW - level 32 NW2 Rogue
> > _
> > was still nothing. But you could see it.
>
> Keith's right, Mickey did through the first insult:
Yes, I believe I did. Furthermore, I believe I will anytime I have
explained something in so basic a way as to assure that even the
youngest member of AGD can understand it, and someone chooses to be
intentionally obtuse and obstinate. I try to make a point of not
answering lame replies with an intelligent answer, as the reply itself
indicates that the person in question has no interest in rational
discourse, but just intends to be argumentative and annoying. This point
is so clear, that all but one or two people here have seen it with
crystal clarity. Maybe all do not agree, but all have seen it. So, when
someone comes along and refuses to see it, either his intellectual
capacity is so limited as to prevent him from gleaning what all else
have gleaned, or said person is just trying to get under people's skin.
If I thought the former were the case, I would say nothing. If I suspect
the latter though, I will lob whatever insults it pleases me to as I owe
an intentionally annoying person nothing more than he/she gives.
Mickey
>
> >Mickey wrote:
> >
> >Thank you for the update Einstein... No one would have known to do that
> >without your useless post. Of course, like all idiots, you miss the
> >point. I want to meet NEW, that's **NEW** people. Now, Fermi, how to I
> >do that in password protected games. COme on, it's a simple question for
> >a simple man.
> >
> >Mickey
>
> Where's the sarcasm? All I can see is insults.
Gornul
news:3948F7CF...@home.com...
> > And what is stopping you and you 5 compainions from killing the PKer? 6
on 1
> > the PKer should be dispatched of quite easily.
>
> OK... s l o w l y.... I DON'T WANT TO. I WANT TO PLAY DIABLO !!! Is this
> so damned hard to understand.
I'm beginning to think I should just copy "I shouldn't have to" to my
clipboard, I'm writing it enough. All these people seem oblivious to the
fact that, no matter how many compromises and workarounds to the PK problem
they can come up with, we the co-opers shouldn't have to utilize them to
play the game our way.
> All I can say to everyone here is, if this
> situation annoys you, have the courage of your convictions, and DO NOT
> BUY THIS GAME.
On the off chance that Blizzard actually decides to satisfy their real
customers (I'm not going to say fan anymore, for I am not one right now),
I'll buy the game. Until then, I'll be withholding my hard-earned money.
I'm not going to pay $50 to have my ears removed nonconsensually.
> Mickey
lurker
YEAH!!!
Gornul
news:3949058C...@hotmail.com...
> Another reason to buy the game, another whiner isn't going to buy it!!!
> YEAH!!!
[clutches his chest] Oh, the pain. Your words cut to my very soul. You
have just caused me such tragic grief, such sadness, that my life hardly
seems worth living. How shall I go on?
By being sarcastic, duh.
lurker
Mickey
Gee, that all sounds like SO much fun. I guess we will all go out and
buy the game just so that we can get some exercising running away.
That's a great game...
Mickey - They just don't get it, do they?
Mickey
>
> "Mickey" <mic...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:3948F7CF...@home.com...
>
> > > And what is stopping you and you 5 compainions from killing the PKer? 6
> on 1
> > > the PKer should be dispatched of quite easily.
> >
> > OK... s l o w l y.... I DON'T WANT TO. I WANT TO PLAY DIABLO !!! Is this
> > so damned hard to understand.
>
> I'm beginning to think I should just copy "I shouldn't have to" to my
> clipboard, I'm writing it enough. All these people seem oblivious to the
> fact that, no matter how many compromises and workarounds to the PK problem
> they can come up with, we the co-opers shouldn't have to utilize them to
> play the game our way.
>
> > All I can say to everyone here is, if this
> > situation annoys you, have the courage of your convictions, and DO NOT
> > BUY THIS GAME.
>
> On the off chance that Blizzard actually decides to satisfy their real
> customers (I'm not going to say fan anymore, for I am not one right now),
> I'll buy the game. Until then, I'll be withholding my hard-earned money.
> I'm not going to pay $50 to have my ears removed nonconsensually.
You know what, I LIKE that term. It really puts it into perspective. It
is a rape, plain and simple. What else can you call it when one person
FORCES there will upon another for his own pleasure and to the detriment
of the other? The nature of the rape my be different, but it's a rape as
sure as anything. For example, what would you call it if someone with
the ability to read minds forced you to let them in? I call it a rape,
and I call this a rape. Thanks for putting into one sentence all the
feeling I have had about this.
Mickey
Mickey
>
> Another reason to buy the game, another whiner isn't going to buy it!!!
> YEAH!!!
Boy, I'll bet all you idiot PKs will have just a BLAST hunting each
other. Give a a few reports once in a while....
Mickey - Why does HE make so many fools? Why? Does He test us this way?
Gornul
> lurker wrote:
> >
> > Another reason to buy the game, another whiner isn't going to buy it!!!
> > YEAH!!!
>
>
> Boy, I'll bet all you idiot PKs will have just a BLAST hunting each
> other. Give a a few reports once in a while....
If Blizzard actually cared enough to consider my challenge system idea,
that's what would happen. The PKs would only really be able to hunt each
other. Only with my idea, Blizzard gets a lot more satisfied customers.
> Mickey - Why does HE make so many fools? Why? Does He test us this way?
I'll agree with that theory, it's better than most.
ebu...@uniserve.com
<mpoloxN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>I think the option of PK is good, let's remember that
>Diablo is a world, and in a world you can found good people
>and bad people,
In a reasonable world, it would be possible to hunt killers down and
exterminate them. How about this: if you die in hostile mode, you
lose 10% of all stats and one level from each skill?
Ghashûl
sledgehammer upon their keyboard, and this is what came out:
>cockroaches on your favorite salad and you'll see what I mean..
It reminds me of a commercial I hear once.
Cornflakes with milk. Good in the morning... except if there's shit on
top.
--
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Vote for a no-pk option in Diablo2: http://www.ghashul.dk/
"Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul"
"I'm not normally a praying man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"
-Homer Simpson
Gornul
::snip::
> > I'm not going to pay $50 to have my ears removed nonconsensually.
>
> You know what, I LIKE that term. It really puts it into perspective. It
> is a rape, plain and simple. What else can you call it when one person
> FORCES there will upon another for his own pleasure and to the detriment
> of the other? The nature of the rape my be different, but it's a rape as
> sure as anything. For example, what would you call it if someone with
> the ability to read minds forced you to let them in? I call it a rape,
> and I call this a rape. Thanks for putting into one sentence all the
> feeling I have had about this.
The funny part is, that sentence came into my head and was typed faster than
any other thing I have said during this entire debate. Seems I speak better
when I'm not planning to, eh?
LineNoise
gave us the following Prophecy:
>On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:50:27 -0700, MarKopolo
Please no.
1) Under the current system, if someone declares hostile to you, you are
automatically put into hostile mode as well, to allow you to fight back at
them. Therefore, when you are PK'ed, this policy would punish you for
someone else's actions.
2) I can't speak for everyone, but for me personally, I have no desire to
punish the PK's or to kill them in revenge. I simply want Blizzard to add
an *option* so that I can keep them out of my game. I don't care what they
do on their time, or with other players, but when I am playing a game, for
my own enjoyment, I am not willing to have someone else deciding to change
the rules on me. I want to be able to play the game on my terms, not
someone else's.
LineNoise
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I was in an odd state of mind when I wrote that. Somewhere around Oklahoma
I think...
LineNoise
<SPAMx...@yahoo.com> gave us the following Prophecy:
>"Mickey" <mic...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:3949181F...@home.com...
>
>::snip::
>
>> > I'm not going to pay $50 to have my ears removed nonconsensually.
>>
>> You know what, I LIKE that term. It really puts it into perspective. It
>> is a rape, plain and simple. What else can you call it when one person
>> FORCES there will upon another for his own pleasure and to the detriment
>> of the other? The nature of the rape my be different, but it's a rape as
>> sure as anything. For example, what would you call it if someone with
>> the ability to read minds forced you to let them in? I call it a rape,
>> and I call this a rape. Thanks for putting into one sentence all the
>> feeling I have had about this.
>
>The funny part is, that sentence came into my head and was typed faster than
>any other thing I have said during this entire debate. Seems I speak better
>when I'm not planning to, eh?
>
>Gornul
A lot of people can polish a statement until it shines, but the best
writers and speakers are the ones who speak with conviction and strength.
People like never need to polish their thoughts, and yet they speak with as
much eloquence as those who spend hours composing. Congrats.
LineNoise
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Ahh...I see the f#ck-up fairy has visited us again...
Something Kinky
<8F545029Cpalad...@194.134.193.17>:
>asy...@somewhere.us.com (Something Kinky) wrote in
><8F53D5353met...@24.1.240.74>:
>
>>User-Agent: Xnews/2.11.08
>
>select post form user, press K
>(also in the menu article, at the bottom)
>
>btw, update your version, it's really old :)
>
It works.. :) Methos is the one that handles upgrades, but he's been ooth
for almost a week now... :( Not sure what's going on... He comes online
to play D2, and that's about it... don't even know where he's playing
from...
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Gornul
Aw shucks... :)
> LineNoise
> _
> Ahh...I see the f#ck-up fairy has visited us again...
What an appropriate sig in light of the recent discussions.
LineNoise
<SPAMx...@yahoo.com> gave us the following Prophecy:
>> A lot of people can polish a statement until it shines, but the best
>> writers and speakers are the ones who speak with conviction and strength.
>> People like never need to polish their thoughts, and yet they speak with
>as
>> much eloquence as those who spend hours composing. Congrats.
>
>Aw shucks... :)
You're welcome.
>> LineNoise
>> _
>> Ahh...I see the f#ck-up fairy has visited us again...
>
>What an appropriate sig in light of the recent discussions.
>
>Gornul
Yeah, my sigs aren't quite as scary accurate as SR's, but I come close on
occaision.
LineNoise
--
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Damson`Rhee`NW - level 32 NW2 Rogue
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After things go from bad to worse, the cycle will repeat itself.
daia...@aol.kom
<silve...@SPAMBAIThome.com> wrote:
>Taking out her tarot cards, SilverRaven turns to daia...@aol.kom as
>they ask:
>>Have you battled Andariel yet?
>Can't in the ST Dalai. They only have the first two quests.
That is why I mentioned it. The monsters in the first part aren't
really dangerous enough to require your total attention. Even Blood
Raven can be avoided. It won't be that way by the time we get to ACt
3 and 4, and the PK's will have more of an advantage to work with.
--
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Rakanishu!
daia...@aol.kom
>I like sarcasm, it's good for the sole... 8-)
I think someone filleted your sole away a long time ago.
Mickey
>
> ><mpoloxN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>I think the option of PK is good, let's remember that
> >>Diablo is a world, and in a world you can found good people
> >>and bad people,
> >
> >In a reasonable world, it would be possible to hunt killers down and
> >exterminate them. How about this: if you die in hostile mode, you
> >lose 10% of all stats and one level from each skill?
> >
> >-- ro...@not.this.partistar.ca
>
> Please no.
>
> 1) Under the current system, if someone declares hostile to you, you are
> automatically put into hostile mode as well, to allow you to fight back at
> them. Therefore, when you are PK'ed, this policy would punish you for
> someone else's actions.
>
> 2) I can't speak for everyone, but for me personally, I have no desire to
> punish the PK's or to kill them in revenge. I simply want Blizzard to add
> an *option* so that I can keep them out of my game. I don't care what they
> do on their time, or with other players, but when I am playing a game, for
> my own enjoyment, I am not willing to have someone else deciding to change
> the rules on me. I want to be able to play the game on my terms, not
> someone else's.
Yup, this is what we ALL want, as can be surmised from the current flow
of this debate. And yet, Blizzard ignores us in favor of a group that by
Max Shaeffer's own words is infinitesimally small. Go figure, eh?
Mickey
>
> LineNoise
> --
> ICQ# 68214833
> Damson`Rhee`VK - level 44 V&K Diablo Rogue (62 million to level)
> Damson`Rhee`NW - level 32 NW2 Rogue
> _
Adam Kusnierz
writes
>Try the analogy the other way around, if you set only allow people to
>stand in the middle of the highway, and force them to either dodge
>traffic or find another highway to stand in, whose fault is it?
Cars are to blame, of course! I'm sure ppl have the right to stand in
the middle of a motorway unmolested!
Perhaps its even mentioned in American Constitution ;P
--
Adam Kusnierz
Adam Kusnierz
writes
[..]
>How about if we alternate versions? The PK's got to be happy last
>version, so the anti-PK's get there way on this one. Blizzard can
>make Diablo 3 pro-PK again. I daresay, you would see a numbers drop
>if Blizzard went from no-PK to allowing PK.
Based on what figures? C'mon Dalai you can do better than that. What if
there is no more than 1000 anti-PKers, 1000 PKers and everyone else does
not feel strongly about it?
> I know people who never
>once played Diablo because of all the PK's yet they are looking
>forward to trying out Diablo 2. These are the kind of people who
>don't buy a game on day one no matter what. They have been burned
>too many times before (as have I. I used to buy a game every week,
>till I relaized they were usually all junk, or had at least oine major
>annoying drawback- it doesn't take much to take a game from the area
>of something fun, to something irritating. Try sprinkling some dead
>cockroaches on your favorite salad and you'll see what I mean..
>As soon as these friends here that PK'ing is still extant in Diablo 2,
>they will move on and look for another game.
How about different option - a character that cannot be attacked by
another player (but still takes dmg. from friendly fire and mobs)?
This way you and your non PK friends could go into public game and not
have it spoiled by anyone.
On the other hand I think it would be fair that you'd receive a
deduction of 1/3 xp on everything you do and kill.
If you want 100% xp you need to take 100% risks (including becoming a
poss target for other player characters).
--
Adam Kusnierz
Adam Kusnierz
<brian...@hotmail.com> writes
>On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:34:38 GMT, the Oracle known as ebu...@uniserve.com
>gave us the following Prophecy:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:50:27 -0700, MarKopolo
>><mpoloxN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>I think the option of PK is good, let's remember that
>>>Diablo is a world, and in a world you can found good people
>>>and bad people,
>>
>>In a reasonable world, it would be possible to hunt killers down and
>>exterminate them. How about this: if you die in hostile mode, you
>>lose 10% of all stats and one level from each skill?
>>
>>-- ro...@not.this.partistar.ca
>
>Please no.
>
>1) Under the current system, if someone declares hostile to you, you are
>automatically put into hostile mode as well, to allow you to fight back at
>them. Therefore, when you are PK'ed, this policy would punish you for
>someone else's actions.
You would be punished for _dying_ not for being attacked.
>2) I can't speak for everyone, but for me personally, I have no desire to
>punish the PK's or to kill them in revenge.
It isn't about punishment. If PKing is risky and cheating is difficult
you will not have many PKers but you will have few good ones, and they
would be superior players and they should be feared.
--
Adam Kusnierz
Adam Kusnierz
writes
>On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:50:27 -0700, MarKopolo
><mpoloxN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>I think the option of PK is good, let's remember that
>>Diablo is a world, and in a world you can found good people
>>and bad people,
>
>In a reasonable world, it would be possible to hunt killers down and
>exterminate them. How about this: if you die in hostile mode, you
>lose 10% of all stats and one level from each skill?
C'mon! How about if you are attacked and killed you loose 50% xp (which
will mostly translate into loosing a lvl, perhaps 2). But if you attack
someone and die you loose _all_ your xp!
--
Adam Kusnierz
Adam Kusnierz
writes
>On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:22:17 +1000, "Messiah" <mes...@microsoft.com>
>wrote:
>
>>And what is stopping you and you 5 compainions from killing the PKer? 6 on 1
>>the PKer should be dispatched of quite easily.
>
>just like a channel does. Besides being PK'd there are lots of
>other ways somone could annoy, harass or antogonize players already in
>the game.
100% support on this one!!!!
--
Adam Kusnierz
Guybrush Threepwood
>>>>I think the option of PK is good, let's remember that
>>>>Diablo is a world, and in a world you can found good people
>>>>and bad people,
>>>
>>>In a reasonable world, it would be possible to hunt killers down and
>>>exterminate them. How about this: if you die in hostile mode, you
>>>lose 10% of all stats and one level from each skill?
>>>
>>
>>Please no.
>>
>>1) Under the current system, if someone declares hostile to you, you are
>>automatically put into hostile mode as well, to allow you to fight back at
>>them. Therefore, when you are PK'ed, this policy would punish you for
>>someone else's actions.
>
>You would be punished for _dying_ not for being attacked.
But where is the punishment for the killer? Blizzard (Max) said they wanted it
realistic, but if it was so, then the killer would be severely punished. Why
isn't he?
--
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ebu...@uniserve.com
<ada...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>In article <3949212d...@news.uniserve.com>, ebu...@uniserve.com
>writes
>
>>In a reasonable world, it would be possible to hunt killers down and
>>exterminate them. How about this: if you die in hostile mode, you
>>lose 10% of all stats and one level from each skill?
>
>C'mon! How about if you are attacked and killed you loose 50% xp (which
>will mostly translate into loosing a lvl, perhaps 2). But if you attack
>someone and die you loose _all_ your xp!
There's a million ways to do it. Maybe when you die in hostile, you
should have a certain probability of not resurrecting at all, and that
probability is related to the number of ears you have taken (bad
karma... ;^).
ebu...@uniserve.com
wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:34:38 GMT, the Oracle known as ebu...@uniserve.com
>gave us the following Prophecy:
>
>>In a reasonable world, it would be possible to hunt killers down and
>>exterminate them. How about this: if you die in hostile mode, you
>>lose 10% of all stats and one level from each skill?
>>
>Please no.
>
>1) Under the current system, if someone declares hostile to you, you are
>automatically put into hostile mode as well, to allow you to fight back at
>them. Therefore, when you are PK'ed, this policy would punish you for
>someone else's actions.
How about making it asymmetrical, so the predator risks more than the
prey?
>2) I can't speak for everyone, but for me personally, I have no desire to
>punish the PK's or to kill them in revenge. I simply want Blizzard to add
>an *option* so that I can keep them out of my game.
They have. Passwords.
>I don't care what they
>do on their time, or with other players, but when I am playing a game, for
>my own enjoyment, I am not willing to have someone else deciding to change
>the rules on me. I want to be able to play the game on my terms, not
>someone else's.
RL isn't like that...
daia...@aol.kom
<ada...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>Based on what figures? C'mon Dalai you can do better than that. What if
>there is no more than 1000 anti-PKers, 1000 PKers and everyone else does
>not feel strongly about it?
I'd say by the lack of responses to th ePK issue here, and on various
forums indicates that you are right, and there can't be much more than
a few people who care about it.
>How about different option - a character that cannot be attacked by
>another player (but still takes dmg. from friendly fire and mobs)?
mobs? Friendly fire would basically allow PK'ing.
ald
<ada...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>You would be punished for _dying_ not for being attacked.
>
Hmm. I'm late getting here, but I don't support a punishment for
losing to the lag monster :-) Unless you *do* have a switch or
something similar to accept the challenge from the other person, I
could lose out simply because I was too close to a waystation. How
about having that penalty only for the one originally attacking? :-)
>It isn't about punishment. If PKing is risky and cheating is difficult
>you will not have many PKers but you will have few good ones, and they
>would be superior players and they should be feared.
Does PKing have to be risky for this to work?
I understand the people who say that they want the game on their
terms, I'm one of them. But you have to remember, we're talking about
the closed characters here, right? The people coming after you have to
have played fair, and in order to beat you, they have to be a better
player than you are. Mickey, if you're still reading this thread, are
you *sure* you're not up to this challenge?
I'm not supporting PKing, I believe that part of playing the game by
my rules includes playing in a passworded game, which means that I
*do* have a "non-pk" switch of my own, whether to give the other
person the password or not. If you choose to play public games, then
you may run into PKs, I don't know, it's been years since I played one
and I don't intend to play one in D2. It sounds to me, though, like
anyone who *can* kill you legitimately is someone you could learn
from.
--
ald
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ald
<ada...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>In article <3949212d...@news.uniserve.com>, ebu...@uniserve.com
>writes
>>On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:50:27 -0700, MarKopolo
>><mpoloxN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>I think the option of PK is good, let's remember that
>>>Diablo is a world, and in a world you can found good people
>>>and bad people,
>>
>>In a reasonable world, it would be possible to hunt killers down and
>>exterminate them. How about this: if you die in hostile mode, you
>>lose 10% of all stats and one level from each skill?
>
>C'mon! How about if you are attacked and killed you loose 50% xp (which
>will mostly translate into loosing a lvl, perhaps 2). But if you attack
>someone and die you loose _all_ your xp!
[ald taps Adam on the shoulder]
Um, lose 50% experience? When I could (and probably would) actually be
losing to the lag monster? Um, Adam, check out Jarulf's Guide for the
number of experience points you need at the level I'm at in V&K HF
now. I'll give you a hint, she hit 128 million away from level 48 last
night. Losing half of her experience points because some idiot decides
to attack me and I lag out would effectively kill this character. I
couldn't keep playing her if I needed 500 million points to the next
level, and that's the single loss punishment you're proposing here. No
thanks.