Maphack v4.3
Jimmy F.
Get it here: http://www.btinternet.com/~mousepad/
TalonClaw
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Amalasan
would fit just right.
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ddmad1
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TalonClaw
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dave...@spamcop.net
> we can hope that it contains a trojan that steals account passwords. That
> would fit just right.
Almost makes me want to write a few "game hacks" myself... wonder if Bliz
would cooperate?
Dave "Actually, pretty amused at that account harvesting website" Hinz
Cybermoose
FFS! it aint even a nasty hack and helps more than anything.
Cybermoose
> would fit just right.
Yeah, cause heaven forbid trying to speed things up a little. Cause I love
doing the missions for the 200000 time and having to run around instead of
getting straight there.
sfddsfds
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:05:55 -0500, "Jimmy F." <ji...@NOSPAM.com>
wrote:
Mickey
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Then play another game. If you can't play this one without cheating, do
something else.
Mickey
>
>
Relisys
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Stormcrow
little variety exists in the game.
Stormcrow
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FlashFlood
If you have such a big beef with the issue, you should quit. It's a
pretty much victimless crime. His point is valid, the repetition of
missions is *very* monotonous. Maphack is a godsend.
dave...@spamcop.net
Brought to you by the same guy who writes the PK Toolkit, and the Grabit
hack.
It's just another cheat. FFS, play it all you want SP, but stay off
realms with them.
Hugs & Kisses,
Dave Hinz
Cybermoose
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Let me think no, I dont use it against other people and I only play on-line
with friends. And I dont support the other hacks.
Ian Allen
it isn't written by the same person who coded pk toolkit and grabit, and
even if it was, what does that have to do with *maphack* ?
i really don't think it is your place to tell others what they can and
cannot do
Mickey
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> Why should *he* have to quit his game simply because he wants to cheat?
> If you have such a big beef with the issue, you should quit. It's a
> pretty much victimless crime. His point is valid, the repetition of
> missions is *very* monotonous. Maphack is a godsend.
Victimless? I guess so, if you ONLY play with friends who use it as well. If
the game is so monotonous, maybe it's time to find something else to waste
your time on. More to the point, those who use this hack would use otehr
less inoffensive hacks, if they were available. I played D1 for years with
hackers and cheaters in every corner. If the game was supposed to be played
with the entire map exposed and all the dangerous monsters pinpointed for
you, it would have come that way. Cheating is cheating, no matter how
politely you try to put it. It's lame, and anyone that uses it is just as
lame.
Mickey
Mickey
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> Why? It's a peice of shit hack for losers that feel the need to spoil
what
> little variety exists in the game.
Amen... the real fun in doing baal runs in 8 player games is trying to
avaoid the kamakazies. With maphack, you know where they all are. No
challenge. Hacks are for those who can't hack it, and all their bleating to
the contrary does not change this one iota.
Mickey
Hans Mule Man
How the hell does it make you a victim? I am neither in support or
against the use of this program. Dont you like to get through underground
passage quicker? Some games do have fog choices, but since D2 doesnt people
now have that choice so they choose.
--
Three Santa Clauses standing on a corner, which one is a blonde?
Hans Mule Man
Hans Mule Man
wins.
Mickey
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> Ok Mickey,
> How the hell does it make you a victim? I am neither in support or
> against the use of this program. Dont you like to get through underground
> passage quicker? Some games do have fog choices, but since D2 doesnt
people
> now have that choice so they choose.
How? Lets see:
1. I get PK'd by someone who has better stuff than I because he makes runs
in 1/2 the time
2. I get PK'd by someone who has better stuff because he has more mf becuase
he find more stuff
3. I get out raced to the unique monsters, and miss out on a drop.
I could go on, but if you haven't gotten the ideqa by now, you won't, and if
you have, then it's moot.
Mickey
paul
You also get PK'd by players who can detect your location earlier than
they would normally. It makes getting through the game in hell
difficulty much easier, knowing the location of all monsters,
including bosses, and having the level layout. It degrades the value
of high end items, as they become more available due to 2 minute Meph
runs. Ultimately, it ensures the game a short shelf life, as players
lose interest due to ease with which the game can be beaten.
paul x is the spam filter
Steve Kratz
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:05:55 -0500, "Jimmy F." <ji...@NOSPAM.com>
wrote:
>The new maphack V4.3 that works with 1.9c is out!
Steve Kratz
firing GA's from completely offscreen whether I know mobs are there or
not. Am I cheating too?
Steve Kratz
Period.
Ingo Jankowski
> Ok Mickey,
> How the hell does it make you a victim? I am neither in support or
> against the use of this program. Dont you like to get through underground
> passage quicker? Some games do have fog choices, but since D2 doesnt people
> now have that choice so they choose.
You'd certainly say that printing money doesn't hurt anyone either, right?
Why bother playing the game at all when you can get all the good stuff
on open for zero effort? Isn't the great appeal of cheating the fact
that you get an advantage that the honest people do *not* get? If
everyone would get the same advantage there wouldn't be a point in
cheating, right? Again, see what's happening on open.
And *please* don't argue that everybody could use the hack if he wanted
to, to "level" the fields. That would just be getting everything backwards.
So, dear cheaters, just live with the fact that people will be mad at
you, flaming you or avoiding you at every opportunity; it's in the very
nature of things. If you can't live with it, why not just quit cheating.
Ingo Jankowski
> Let me think no, I dont use it against other people and I only play on-line
> with friends. And I dont support the other hacks.
You seem to think there are "good cheats" and "bad cheats", and that
you'd be a "good cheater". Which is just ridiculous.
~CReePinGxDeaTh~
blizzards proprietary code to make it functional this is of course Blizzard
even cares. Lets test out there new stance against realm hacks and sites
that provide the hacks.
I'd personally like to see Blizzard start making the map and all artifacts
( monsters, chest, skull pile's yada-yada) be like item drops are even
better the way gambling is handled . Let the server handle all the area
generation , I know this isn't feasible with bandwidth already at a premium
most of the time, but it would really show that they are concerned with
hacks.
Good Day
Nick Zitzmann
"Hans Mule Man" <fla...@veriomail.com> wrote:
> Ok Mickey,
> How the hell does it make you a victim?
I've got characters that have been killed several times by map hackers.
All they do is use Teleport repeatedly to jump directly to the goal, and
let everyone else do all the fighting. Then, when I request assistance,
no one comes and my character gets clobbered.
Map hackers aren't team players at all.
> I am neither in support or
> against the use of this program. Dont you like to get through underground
> passage quicker?
No. I want to get through the Underground Passage in the normal amount
of time it takes me to find the exit.
> Some games do have fog choices, but since D2 doesnt people
> now have that choice so they choose.
Except for the people who can't use map hack. Like Mac users, for
example.
Nick Zitzmann
ICQ: 22305512
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Mickey
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> As far as avoiding things, I must say the best way to avoid them is by
> firing GA's from completely offscreen whether I know mobs are there or
> not. Am I cheating too?
Are you using a tool made by a 3rd party, or a tool provided by the game
makers as part of your char?
Mickey
Mickey
> If you don't like the way others play, play in passworded games.
> Period.
I see.... so in order to avoid cheater, I have to play alone? One word for
you.... pissoff. If you or any of your cheating cohorts joins a game I am
in, you better be able to play better than you can argue. If not, your ear
and a portion of your gold will be the price, maphack or no maphack.
Mickey - welcome to my killfile
Polarhound
Might as well sum it up now:
Person #1: Maphack is great.
Person #2: No, Maphack sucks.
Person #1: No, you suck.
Person #2: No, you suck more.
I think that about covers it...
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RU4GUS
SFDDwhatever -
Whether you are for or against something, making a false statement
about Viri is NEVER acceptable. It is just plain rude.
Others -
The MapHack creater is NOT the same person that worte Grab It. Please
get informed before you post.
MapHack does NOT use Blizzard code as someone else posted. It reads
Blizzard code and interprets it but does so through his own code.
I personally do not care is people want to use or do not want to use
MapHack. But get a grip on yourselves. Don't try to sound
authoritative when in fact you are more clueless. At least preferace
your spatterings with AFAIK or something.
RU
Taran'li Maren
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He said he only played with friends. thats just the same as playing tcp/ip.
Why should you care if he cheats?
Taran'li Maren
Taran'li Maren
> You also get PK'd by players who can detect your location earlier than
> they would normally. It makes getting through the game in hell
> difficulty much easier, knowing the location of all monsters,
> including bosses, and having the level layout. It degrades the value
> of high end items, as they become more available due to 2 minute Meph
> runs. Ultimately, it ensures the game a short shelf life, as players
> lose interest due to ease with which the game can be beaten.
You ALSO get pk'd by people who are just 30 levels higher than you and not
running map-hack. Pk'ers are pk'ers, no matter what hacks they run. Don't
lump map-hack and pk'ing together, because they're NOT the same thing.
Taran'li Maren
Sooprbrain
>From: "Taran'li Maren" an...@unknown.com
>You ALSO get pk'd by people who are just 30 levels higher than you and not
>running map-hack. Pk'ers are pk'ers, no matter what hacks they run. Don't
>lump map-hack and pk'ing together, because they're NOT the same thing.
>
there really is nothing good about a map hacker that plays with people he does
not know. He is getting an edge that normal players dont have and dont want.
If you are using Map Hack on the closed realms then you are taking an unfair
advantage of people that want to play the game as it was designed to be played.
Use any hacks you want, just dont inflict them on other people that dont want
to use them. Make your rooms private and dont cheat with other people.
Steve Sprague
"Nick Zitzmann" <nick...@eskimo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <uiiJ7.4368$Le.1...@sea-read.news.verio.net>,
> "Hans Mule Man" <fla...@veriomail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok Mickey,
> > How the hell does it make you a victim?
>
> I've got characters that have been killed several times by map hackers.
> All they do is use Teleport repeatedly to jump directly to the goal, and
> let everyone else do all the fighting. Then, when I request assistance,
> no one comes and my character gets clobbered.
>
> Map hackers aren't team players at all.
No, the players themselves arent team players...it has nothing to do with the
maphack.
>
> > I am neither in support or
> > against the use of this program. Dont you like to get through underground
> > passage quicker?
>
> No. I want to get through the Underground Passage in the normal amount
> of time it takes me to find the exit.
Some of us have lives and do not have hour upon hour to devote to this game,
although some of us play it a lot more than they should :-))
Steve
Steve Sprague
"Mickey" <mickeybTI...@home.com> wrote in message
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> "Steve Kratz" <steveD...@home.com> wrote in message
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> > If you don't like the way others play, play in passworded games.
> > Period.
>
> I see.... so in order to avoid cheater, I have to play alone? One word for
> you.... pissoff.
First off, Hi Mickey! Stalker here ;-)
You and I have been down this road on this issue so many times LOL. Anyway,
why is the option of playing alone perfectly ok and encouraged for the
"cheater", but not for the person wanting to avoid those same cheats? Sounds
like a bit of a double standard to me. Some of us use maphack to make the most
of our time ALONE in a game or with others that dont care one way or the other.
IMO, maphack really doesnt give you that much of an advantage aside from the
full map layout. The monsters really arent visible until you are close to
them, so the issue of finding a boss is moot. Additionally, what about a game
where there are one or more players signifigantly higher in level than you?
Wont they do a lot more of the killing? Wont they most likely find the boss
before you? Wont they also know where the good drops are? Either way, its the
same.
If you or any of your cheating cohorts joins a game I am
> in, you better be able to play better than you can argue. If not, your ear
> and a portion of your gold will be the price, maphack or no maphack.
By the time you go to town to go hostile and then come back, the person will
have left the game or gone to town themselves. Some would wager that PK is
worse than any cheating ;-)
Steve
Jake Maul
closed B.net realms is the only way D2 can be played. I'll make it quick: Maphack
may suck hind tit for closed realms, but nobody has any ground to stand on
claiming Maphack is a bad thing altogether.
FlashFlood
Mickey wrote:
> "FlashFlood" <rya...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
> news:3BF59D42...@videotron.ca...
>
>>Why should *he* have to quit his game simply because he wants to cheat?
>>If you have such a big beef with the issue, you should quit. It's a
>>pretty much victimless crime. His point is valid, the repetition of
>>missions is *very* monotonous. Maphack is a godsend.
>>
>
> Victimless? I guess so, if you ONLY play with friends who use it as well.
how am i victimizing anybody else? Maphack is just that, a hack to get
the map. It doesn't max my lvl character, suit me up with a GPoW,
ArchAngel's staff of apocalypse 99 charges and 2 rings and an amulet of
the zodiac...
I still have to play the game with the character that I created.
> If
> the game is so monotonous, maybe it's time to find something else to waste
> your time on.
Talk about wasting your time, you won't even use maphack to save your time..
> More to the point, those who use this hack would use otehr
> less inoffensive hacks, if they were available.
Define 'inoffensive' I'd define it as 'not actively affecting anything
in the game.' At which point, I fail to see why using 'inoffensive'
hacks is a bad thing. Hell, more power to the people who dont want to
waste their time.
> I played D1 for years with
> hackers and cheaters in every corner.
Those were the good old days...
>
> If the game was supposed to be played
> with the entire map exposed and all the dangerous monsters pinpointed for
> you, it would have come that way.
The game should've come with a way to reward those who've played the
game for years, like having the option to have the entire map from the
outset.
> Cheating is cheating, no matter how
> politely you try to put it. It's lame, and anyone that uses it is just as
> lame.
>
> Mickey
I disagree. Cheating is cheating, whatever - but it's not lame to me. I
think it's pretty cool. I dare you to try and refute my opinion.
FlashFlood
Ingo Jankowski wrote:
So what are you saying? That *all* cheats are "bad" (at which point it
loses meaning because you cannot have 'bad' without 'good') or that
there are no shades of grey in between black and white?
Yes, I know it's confusing..
well, have fun!
-FF
Andrew Burow
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>
> "Mickey" <mickeybTI...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:UelJ7.29$Y9.1...@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com...
> > "Steve Kratz" <steveD...@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:uugbvt4htmfb3vovt...@4ax.com...
> > > If you don't like the way others play, play in passworded games.
> > > Period.
> >
> > I see.... so in order to avoid cheater, I have to play alone? One word
for
> > you.... pissoff.
>
> First off, Hi Mickey! Stalker here ;-)
>
> You and I have been down this road on this issue so many times LOL.
Anyway,
> why is the option of playing alone perfectly ok and encouraged for the
> "cheater", but not for the person wanting to avoid those same cheats?
Sounds
> like a bit of a double standard to me.
environment to play in. Also, Maphack is technically ILLEGAL. Therefore the
cry "go play open!". You are impinging on the purpose for which the realms
were created. Reminds me of Sparta. You can steal, if you don't get caught.
It seems that the fact that you can get away with cheating and Blizzard
doesn't close you down is enough to justify it in the eyes of some people.
> Some of us use maphack to make the most
> of our time ALONE in a game or with others that dont care one way or the
other.
> IMO, maphack really doesnt give you that much of an advantage aside from
the
> full map layout. The monsters really arent visible until you are close to
> them, so the issue of finding a boss is moot. Additionally, what about a
game
> where there are one or more players signifigantly higher in level than
you?
> Wont they do a lot more of the killing? Wont they most likely find the
boss
> before you? Wont they also know where the good drops are? Either way,
its the
> same.
>
> If you or any of your cheating cohorts joins a game I am
> > in, you better be able to play better than you can argue. If not, your
ear
> > and a portion of your gold will be the price, maphack or no maphack.
>
> By the time you go to town to go hostile and then come back, the person
will
> have left the game or gone to town themselves. Some would wager that PK
is
> worse than any cheating ;-)
>
Agreed.
Mark
then they would be better off in thier own passworded game, and indeed thats
what we do. Groups are for EXP and means we stay near you.
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Mickey
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I see, so if cars get stolen by professional theives, you might as well your
keys in the ignition.... odd logic, or the lack thereof.
Mickey
>
> Taran'li Maren
Mickey
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>
> news:UelJ7.29$Y9.1...@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com...
> > "Steve Kratz" <steveD...@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:uugbvt4htmfb3vovt...@4ax.com...
> > > If you don't like the way others play, play in passworded games.
> > > Period.
> >
> > I see.... so in order to avoid cheater, I have to play alone? One word
for
> > you.... pissoff.
>
> First off, Hi Mickey! Stalker here ;-)
>
> You and I have been down this road on this issue so many times LOL.
Anyway,
> why is the option of playing alone perfectly ok and encouraged for the
> "cheater", but not for the person wanting to avoid those same cheats?
Sounds
For the same reason you wouldn't invite a cheater to your poker game.
> like a bit of a double standard to me. Some of us use maphack to make the
most
> of our time ALONE in a game or with others that dont care one way or the
other.
> IMO, maphack really doesnt give you that much of an advantage aside from
the
> full map layout. The monsters really arent visible until you are close to
> them, so the issue of finding a boss is moot. Additionally, what about a
game
> where there are one or more players signifigantly higher in level than
you?
> Wont they do a lot more of the killing? Wont they most likely find the
boss
> before you? Wont they also know where the good drops are? Either way,
its the
> same.
Ah, but I can prevent that by setting a limit on the levels of players I
allow in my games. Any anyway, exactly who is significant;y higher than my
lvl 99? As to them not being visable until you are close, this is just pure
bullshit. Going through level 2 of the worldkeep with a zon is about 100000
times easier with maphack, as you can see one monster sitting alone, and you
KNOW that one is a frenzied ice spawn.
>
> If you or any of your cheating cohorts joins a game I am
> > in, you better be able to play better than you can argue. If not, your
ear
> > and a portion of your gold will be the price, maphack or no maphack.
>
> By the time you go to town to go hostile and then come back, the person
will
> have left the game or gone to town themselves. Some would wager that PK
is
> worse than any cheating ;-)
If they leave, that is also fine. And for those that think PKing is worse
than cheating, don't cheat in my games, and I won't PK them. You do, and I
will, end of story.
Mickey
Mickey
>
>
> Mickey wrote:
>
> > "FlashFlood" <rya...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3BF59D42...@videotron.ca...
> >
> >>Why should *he* have to quit his game simply because he wants to cheat?
> >>If you have such a big beef with the issue, you should quit. It's a
> >>pretty much victimless crime. His point is valid, the repetition of
> >>missions is *very* monotonous. Maphack is a godsend.
> >>
> >
> > Victimless? I guess so, if you ONLY play with friends who use it as
well.
>
>
> how am i victimizing anybody else? Maphack is just that, a hack to get
> the map. It doesn't max my lvl character, suit me up with a GPoW,
> ArchAngel's staff of apocalypse 99 charges and 2 rings and an amulet of
> the zodiac...
>
> I still have to play the game with the character that I created.
Complete bullshit. I have already detailed some of the advantages that it
gives you. I will not repeat them again, go read.
>
> > If
> > the game is so monotonous, maybe it's time to find something else to
waste
> > your time on.
>
>
> Talk about wasting your time, you won't even use maphack to save your
time..
I don't NEED to. See, I can play, and win, and find all the items I need,
and do it WITHOUT cheating. The fact that you can't doesn't reflect on the
game, but rather on you. You are too lame to play legit. Instead of trying
to justify your cheating, just admit you are lame, and leave it at that.
>
> > More to the point, those who use this hack would use otehr
> > less inoffensive hacks, if they were available.
>
>
> Define 'inoffensive' I'd define it as 'not actively affecting anything
> in the game.' At which point, I fail to see why using 'inoffensive'
> hacks is a bad thing. Hell, more power to the people who dont want to
> waste their time.
Not affecting anything? If someone has maphack and runs to all the unique
monsters and gets their drops, this affects nothing? You are either a fool
or a liar.
>
> > I played D1 for years with
> > hackers and cheaters in every corner.
>
>
> Those were the good old days...
Asshoile
> >
>
> > If the game was supposed to be played
> > with the entire map exposed and all the dangerous monsters pinpointed
for
> > you, it would have come that way.
>
>
> The game should've come with a way to reward those who've played the
> game for years, like having the option to have the entire map from the
> outset.
>
> > Cheating is cheating, no matter how
> > politely you try to put it. It's lame, and anyone that uses it is just
as
> > lame.
> >
> > Mickey
>
>
> I disagree. Cheating is cheating, whatever - but it's not lame to me. I
> think it's pretty cool. I dare you to try and refute my opinion.
And you are killfiled as well.... I have no time for morons too lame to
learn how to play a simple game.
Mickey
Dirk Dreidoppel
> in 1/2 the time
> 2. I get PK'd by someone who has better stuff because he has more mf
becuase
> he find more stuff
> 3. I get out raced to the unique monsters, and miss out on a drop.
1. and 2.: There will ALWAYS be PKers out there with better equipment,
maphack or not. They have simply played much longer or have gotten stuff
from such a lame website that sells equipment for real money.
3.: Ever heard of passworded games or player limitations ? FYI, you can as
well miss a drop without being out-raced, because that other player simply
clicked faster.
Steve Humiston
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> Ok Mickey,
> How the hell does it make you a victim? I am neither in support or
> against the use of this program. Dont you like to get through underground
people
> now have that choice so they choose.
You need firm examples to illustrate a simple concept? Ok, here's one. How
about PKs who use the map hack to locate their victims so they know
precisely when to go hostile? The map hack makes WP jumping much easier.
Ingo Jankowski
> Some of us have lives and do not have hour upon hour to devote to this game,
Well, that's about the lamest comment on that I've ever read. If you
don't have the time to play fair, then don't play at all. Or cheat where
it doesn't affect others, on open for example. Or go to Ebay and give
someone money to play for you and sell you the account afterwards.
Maphack, duping and all the other hacks aren't about playing more
efficiently, but about the "joy" of getting an unfair advantage over
others. It's really amusing to see how many people go miles to
rationalize this into something "normal" or "not-so-bad". I don't know
why; maybe to soothe a bad consciousness. Which would constitute a
doubled self-betrayal: First they miss what the game is all about, and
then they lie to themselves about it. :)
If someone uses maphack on the realms, there isn't really much I can do
about it; I don't like it, I'm against it, period. What drives me nuts
is people who don't want to be called cheater for it.
OT side note to Orchid (if you read this): As an English teacher, would
you write "is people" or "are people" in the above sentence?
Ingo Jankowski
> Anyway, why is the option of playing alone perfectly ok and
> encouraged for the "cheater", but not for the person wanting to
> avoid those same cheats?
> Sounds like a bit of a double standard to me.
Excuse me? Ever heard about rules? This is a game, and it has rules.
People that comply with them are fine to play, people that don't bother
about the rules of the game are kindly asked to bugger off. That's the
*standard*, for pretty much every game I know of.
A double standard is, when some weird minds come up with the notion that
breaking the rules is ok and the ones observing them should go away.
cheating == ok
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THAT is a double standard if I ever saw one. Claiming
that the rejection of cheats/cheaters would be a double standard is
another one ;)
Ingo Jankowski
> He said he only played with friends. thats just the same as playing tcp/ip.
> Why should you care if he cheats?
Good Point. Must have shot the wrong guy then. I apologize.
My general notion is: If you contain it such that it doesn't affect
others (by not trading illegitly found loot, not playing with others
that don't know it for instance) then go ahead and be happy.
Just don't use it to speed up item finding and ruin trading for the rest
or play wit others that had to invest a lot more effort into their
characters to get to the same level.
Mickey
news:9t5lkn$fmnj$1...@ID-27425.news.dfncis.de...
> > 1. I get PK'd by someone who has better stuff than I because he makes
runs
> > in 1/2 the time
> > 2. I get PK'd by someone who has better stuff because he has more mf
> becuase
> > he find more stuff
> > 3. I get out raced to the unique monsters, and miss out on a drop.
>
> 1. and 2.: There will ALWAYS be PKers out there with better equipment,
> maphack or not. They have simply played much longer or have gotten stuff
> from such a lame website that sells equipment for real money.
I see, so why not just have an area on the char creation to select PK and
start em off with it right?
>
> 3.: Ever heard of passworded games or player limitations ? FYI, you can as
> well miss a drop without being out-raced, because that other player simply
> clicked faster.
A; Yes, but why should I HAVE to play PW game to play without cheaters?
Isn't that what realm play is all about?
B: If they beat me to it fair and square, all is fine by me, as THAT IS THE
GAME.
Mickey
>
>
Mickey
news:3BF66DA9...@ingo-jankowski.de...
> Steve Sprague wrote:
>
> > Some of us have lives and do not have hour upon hour to devote to this
game,
>
>
> Well, that's about the lamest comment on that I've ever read. If you
> don't have the time to play fair, then don't play at all. Or cheat where
> it doesn't affect others, on open for example. Or go to Ebay and give
> someone money to play for you and sell you the account afterwards.
>
> Maphack, duping and all the other hacks aren't about playing more
> efficiently, but about the "joy" of getting an unfair advantage over
> others. It's really amusing to see how many people go miles to
> rationalize this into something "normal" or "not-so-bad". I don't know
> why; maybe to soothe a bad consciousness. Which would constitute a
> doubled self-betrayal: First they miss what the game is all about, and
> then they lie to themselves about it. :)
>
> If someone uses maphack on the realms, there isn't really much I can do
> about it; I don't like it, I'm against it, period. What drives me nuts
> is people who don't want to be called cheater for it.
Not surprising, as wife beaters often find a way to blame their wives for
some action that thereby percipitated the beating. People who cheat always
find some sort of lame justification for their actions. The want the
benefits of their actions without the shame it bears. More than that, they
want the approval of those that do have the personal integrity to play
legit. If ever there was a textbook example of "lame", this is it.
>
> OT side note to Orchid (if you read this): As an English teacher, would
> you write "is people" or "are people" in the above sentence?
Is, as it refers to you, and not the people.
Mickey - Who, while befret of formal education, has some facility with his
adopted language
>
Mickey
Of course, when someone steals their car, they will cry like babies. It's OK
to break the rules THEY see fit to break. Others can go to hell.
Mickey
>
Mickey
news:3BF6726B...@ingo-jankowski.de...
This goes back to the way we ran the JustUs channel in the D1 days. If you
wanted to hack, play with otehrs who wanted to hack. If you were hacking in
games with legit players, you got a warning, then you got banned.
BTW, Although I have most of the dungeon layouts memorized, I got pitifully
lost today in the durance 2, and while walking around, beat an Ali Baba out
of one monster, and a really nice Tiara (+1 zon skills, 40 mana, 26 life, 6%
leech) out of a blood lord boss. Glad I don't use maphack.
Mickey
>
Ingo Jankowski
> As far as avoiding things, I must say the best way to avoid them is by
> firing GA's from completely offscreen whether I know mobs are there or
> not. Am I cheating too?
That would be using *your* brain. As opposed to using someone else's, or
none at all. ;)
dave...@spamcop.net
>>
>> Brought to you by the same guy who writes the PK Toolkit, and the Grabit
>> hack.
>>
>> It's just another cheat. FFS, play it all you want SP, but stay off
>> realms with them.
> it isn't written by the same person who coded pk toolkit and grabit, and
> even if it was, what does that have to do with *maphack* ?
Funny, the website seems to indicate it was, but perhaps I didn't study
it closely enough.
> i really don't think it is your place to tell others what they can and
> cannot do
When you pollute realms with a cheat, it becomes everyone's business. If
you want to play single-player with it, go ahead, knock yourself out. In
SP, nobody cares that you're pathetically unable to recognize patterns
anyway.
Dave Hinz
Christopher Childs
>
>
> Mickey wrote:
>> If
>> the game is so monotonous, maybe it's time to find something else to
>> waste
>> your time on.
>
>
>
> Talk about wasting your time, you won't even use maphack to save your
> time..
>
Would you use a maphack on battle.net with Starcraft: Brood War if you
were given the opportunity?
--
Christopher Childs
Mickey
news:3BF67EB8...@dubba.net...
The real waste of time is trying to talk to someone who has already
justified to himself his right to cheat others.
Mickey
>
> --
> Christopher Childs
>
Ian Allen
news:3bf67b52$0$65160$272e...@news.execpc.com...
> In alt.games.diablo Ian Allen <kal...@chartermi.net> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Brought to you by the same guy who writes the PK Toolkit, and the
Grabit
> >> hack.
> >>
> >> It's just another cheat. FFS, play it all you want SP, but stay off
> >> realms with them.
>
> > it isn't written by the same person who coded pk toolkit and grabit, and
> > even if it was, what does that have to do with *maphack* ?
>
> Funny, the website seems to indicate it was, but perhaps I didn't study
> it closely enough.
>
funny, it clearly indicates it ISN'T written by the same person, maybe you
should know what you're talking about before posting.
specifically it says
Nuttzy's page - Home of Nuttzy's PK Tool Kit and GrabIt!
> > i really don't think it is your place to tell others what they can and
> > cannot do
>
> When you pollute realms with a cheat, it becomes everyone's business. If
> you want to play single-player with it, go ahead, knock yourself out. In
> SP, nobody cares that you're pathetically unable to recognize patterns
> anyway.
>
no, it doesn't. when i use maphack it negatively [e/a]ffects no one.
the argument seems to be 'well, you could be in a multi-person game and PK
or skip ahead and kill bosses for item drops'.
PK? when someone hostiles if you do not get away it is your fault, don't
blame it on a cheat
as for item drops, everyone I know of will do item runs in single passworded
games
the point being that arguments outside of 'well it is a cheat' are just
based on worst-case scenarios which i rarely if ever see actually occur
Steve Sprague
> "Dirk Dreidoppel" <dirk.dr...@deadspam.com> wrote in message
> news:9t5lkn$fmnj$1...@ID-27425.news.dfncis.de...
> > > 1. I get PK'd by someone who has better stuff than I because he makes
> runs
> > > in 1/2 the time
> > > 2. I get PK'd by someone who has better stuff because he has more mf
> > becuase
> > > he find more stuff
> > > 3. I get out raced to the unique monsters, and miss out on a drop.
> >
> > 1. and 2.: There will ALWAYS be PKers out there with better equipment,
> > maphack or not. They have simply played much longer or have gotten stuff
> > from such a lame website that sells equipment for real money.
>
> I see, so why not just have an area on the char creation to select PK and
> start em off with it right?
>
> >
> > 3.: Ever heard of passworded games or player limitations ? FYI, you can as
> > well miss a drop without being out-raced, because that other player simply
> > clicked faster.
>
> A; Yes, but why should I HAVE to play PW game to play without cheaters?
Because that is what PW games were designed for....playing with others you wish
to play with or not playing with those you dont. Your problem is that you cant
PK anyone, so you dont want to do it. Dont bitch about a problem when the
solution is right in front of you. It annoys people Mickey.
> Isn't that what realm play is all about?
Sure, you can find a group of people and play a PW protected game. No
cheaters, lame ass PKs etc. I promise.
> B: If they beat me to it fair and square, all is fine by me, as THAT IS THE
> GAME.
Psst...what if you dont know that they are running MH?
Steve
>
> Mickey
>
> >
> >
>
>
Steve Sprague
> "Ingo Jankowski" <m...@ingo-jankowski.de> wrote in message
> news:3BF66DA9...@ingo-jankowski.de...
> > Steve Sprague wrote:
> >
> > > Some of us have lives and do not have hour upon hour to devote to this
> game,
> >
> >
> > Well, that's about the lamest comment on that I've ever read. If you
> > don't have the time to play fair, then don't play at all. Or cheat where
> > it doesn't affect others, on open for example. Or go to Ebay and give
> > someone money to play for you and sell you the account afterwards.
> >
> > Maphack, duping and all the other hacks aren't about playing more
> > efficiently, but about the "joy" of getting an unfair advantage over
> > others. It's really amusing to see how many people go miles to
> > rationalize this into something "normal" or "not-so-bad". I don't know
> > why; maybe to soothe a bad consciousness. Which would constitute a
> > doubled self-betrayal: First they miss what the game is all about, and
> > then they lie to themselves about it. :)
> >
> > If someone uses maphack on the realms, there isn't really much I can do
> > about it; I don't like it, I'm against it, period. What drives me nuts
> > is people who don't want to be called cheater for it.
>
> Not surprising, as wife beaters often find a way to blame their wives for
> some action that thereby percipitated the beating. People who cheat always
> find some sort of lame justification for their actions.
Equating cheating in a game with wife beating is pretty bad Mickey, even for
you. This is the same shit, second verse with you. You never understand the
other side of a coin...just your side. Did it ever occur to you that some of
these wife beating cheaters might be playing in private games with others that
dont give a shit? Did it ever occur to you that maybe they dont tell anyone
they are using MH? Did it ever occur to you that somehow, somewere that its
NOT THE HACK THATS THE PROBLEM, but instead the person using it? Remember the
responsible cheaters campaign I started so long ago? I can come in your game,
be mr. nice guy and you would never assume that I was cheating. Im not like
that though and others that have played with me can attest to that. For your
information every character I have is legit. I use MH to do the areas that Ive
done for the millionth time as I want to make better use of my time when I do
play. Now, using it in new areas is wrong IMO and I dont do it. I dont PK or
PKK or any of that, so I dont use it when Im with others as its a party and we
need to be together and finding things as well as the way to go is part of that
fun.
The want the
> benefits of their actions without the shame it bears.
Sounds like you know a lot about the activity it seems.
More than that, they
> want the approval of those that do have the personal integrity to play
> legit. If ever there was a textbook example of "lame", this is it.
Yes. You appear to be about as lame as they come.
>
> >
> > OT side note to Orchid (if you read this): As an English teacher, would
> > you write "is people" or "are people" in the above sentence?
>
> Is, as it refers to you, and not the people.
>
> Mickey - Who, while befret of formal education, has some facility with his
> adopted language
And no ability to distinguish reality from fantasy.
Steve
>
> >
>
>
Mickey
news:tvd1073...@corp.supernews.com...
Another asshole justifying his inability to play a game without cheating.
BRX.
Mickey
Mickey
Fuck you. I don't have to play private games to avaoid cheaters, I play on
realms, where cheating should not be found. If I find an lamer like you in
my game, you will be dead in under 15 seconds. I know this for a fact,
because if you had one iota of talent at the game,. you wouldn't need to
cheat.
>
> > Isn't that what realm play is all about?
>
> Sure, you can find a group of people and play a PW protected game. No
> cheaters, lame ass PKs etc. I promise.
Again, Fuck you, and welcome to my ever growing killfile of lamers.
Mickey
Ian Allen
mickey, am i a wife beater? what a great analogy that was. calling me an
asshole because i use a cheat, another nice example of just what a great guy
you are. hah, you're so cool mickey! gee.. using maphack is like being a
wife beater.. i guess from that logic anyone killing monsters in diabloII is
just like being a serial killer in real life. huzzah mickey, for you have
totally changed my viewpoint! cheating is wrong, anyone that does it should
be yelled at using dumbshit logic and insulted without cause! I SEE THE
LIGHT! now respond with 'you are an idiot added to killfile i am cool' or
some other self-righteous bullshit.
FlashFlood
Mickey wrote:
> "FlashFlood" <rya...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
> news:3BF61A7C...@videotron.ca...
>
>>
>>Mickey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"FlashFlood" <rya...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:3BF59D42...@videotron.ca...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Why should *he* have to quit his game simply because he wants to cheat?
>>>>If you have such a big beef with the issue, you should quit. It's a
>>>>pretty much victimless crime. His point is valid, the repetition of
>>>>missions is *very* monotonous. Maphack is a godsend.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Victimless? I guess so, if you ONLY play with friends who use it as
>>>
> well.
>
>>
>>how am i victimizing anybody else? Maphack is just that, a hack to get
>>the map. It doesn't max my lvl character, suit me up with a GPoW,
>>ArchAngel's staff of apocalypse 99 charges and 2 rings and an amulet of
>>the zodiac...
>>
>>I still have to play the game with the character that I created.
>>
>
> Complete bullshit. I have already detailed some of the advantages that it
> gives you. I will not repeat them again, go read.
at least provide references to these 'advantages,' if youre too lazy to
write back.
>
>
>>>If
>>>the game is so monotonous, maybe it's time to find something else to
>>>
> waste
>
>>>your time on.
>>>
>>
>>Talk about wasting your time, you won't even use maphack to save your
>>
> time..
>
> I don't NEED to. See, I can play, and win, and find all the items I need,
> and do it WITHOUT cheating. The fact that you can't doesn't reflect on the
> game, but rather on you. You are too lame to play legit. Instead of trying
> to justify your cheating, just admit you are lame, and leave it at that.
Who says *we* need to? Saving time is simply the smart thing to do. Life
is a game of time-management, and i fail to see how someone not managing
his time is somehow 'cooler' than someone who doesn't. I will however
admit your constant need to call me and people like me 'lame" to be much
lamer.
>
>
>>>More to the point, those who use this hack would use otehr
>>>less inoffensive hacks, if they were available.
>>>
>>
>>Define 'inoffensive' I'd define it as 'not actively affecting anything
>>in the game.' At which point, I fail to see why using 'inoffensive'
>>hacks is a bad thing. Hell, more power to the people who dont want to
>>waste their time.
>>
>
> Not affecting anything? If someone has maphack and runs to all the unique
> monsters and gets their drops, this affects nothing? You are either a fool
> or a liar.
Again, I still have to fight these unique monsters and get all their
drops the same way as you do. Who says a person without maphack would do
the same? And i fail to understand your unenlightened way of making
blanket statements, when you look at how you obviously have had some
education. If you ask me, youre being quite the foolish one when you
won't even look at things from the other side's point of view. I think
youre a liar and a hypocrite.
>
>
>>>I played D1 for years with
>>>hackers and cheaters in every corner.
>>>
>>
>>Those were the good old days...
>>
>
> Asshoile
lol, a simple joke. Dont have a heartattack.
>
>
>> >
>>
>>>If the game was supposed to be played
>>>with the entire map exposed and all the dangerous monsters pinpointed
>>>
> for
>
>>>you, it would have come that way.
>>>
>>
>>The game should've come with a way to reward those who've played the
>>game for years, like having the option to have the entire map from the
>>outset.
>>
>>
>>>Cheating is cheating, no matter how
>>>politely you try to put it. It's lame, and anyone that uses it is just
>>>
> as
>
>>>lame.
>>>
>>>Mickey
>>>
>>
>>I disagree. Cheating is cheating, whatever - but it's not lame to me. I
>>think it's pretty cool. I dare you to try and refute my opinion.
>>
>
> And you are killfiled as well.... I have no time for morons too lame to
> learn how to play a simple game.
>
> Mickey
Oh woe is me! i am killfiled! I must henceforth assume I "won" this
argument. I know how to play the game, and i do not like the opposite
being said. Since i use the maphack, i must also assume I play the game
better than you do.
And i can't believe youre trying to refute an opinion.. talk about
oppression. Youre not the diablo 2 police, get off your high horse.
Christopher Childs
> "Christopher Childs" <chr...@dubba.net> wrote in message
> news:3BF67EB8...@dubba.net...
>>Would you use a maphack on battle.net with Starcraft: Brood War if you
>>were given the opportunity?
>>
>
> The real waste of time is trying to talk to someone who has already
> justified to himself his right to cheat others.
>
Well, all right then...I guess he would hack there, too :|
Hacking in both games is about equal -- the person who knows more can
get the goodies (d2 == items, bw == in a tournament, the prize) quicker
and easier.
Having said that, I've experimented with the maphack in D2, but I'm not
using it any longer. It's too cheap to provide a legitimate gaming
experience.
--
Christopher Childs
Tekonus
news:20011117010155...@mb-cv.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: Maphack v4.3
> >From: "Taran'li Maren" an...@unknown.com
>
> >You ALSO get pk'd by people who are just 30 levels higher than you and
not
> >running map-hack. Pk'ers are pk'ers, no matter what hacks they run.
Don't
> >lump map-hack and pk'ing together, because they're NOT the same thing.
> >
I agree with this. Just cause I use maphack does that mean I'm a PK? I like
to help ppl (kill act bosses, do ancients quest, etc.) and maphack helps me
do this in half the time. This makes the ppl I'm helping happy, me happy,
and leaves no one angered... Explain the bad in that?
>
>
> there really is nothing good about a map hacker that plays with people he
does
> not know. He is getting an edge that normal players dont have and dont
want.
> If you are using Map Hack on the closed realms then you are taking an
unfair
> advantage of people that want to play the game as it was designed to be
played.
> Use any hacks you want, just dont inflict them on other people that dont
want
> to use them. Make your rooms private and dont cheat with other people.
Wanna know what good maphack does? How about allowing you to see a PK coming
at youi from much farther away on the map then you would normally.
Potentially saving your life, especially if you play HC like me.
Tekonus
Ahhh, you play on realms... Where there should be no cheaters... Hmmmm. Good
logic. You think Bliz designed open bnet so cheaters have a place to call
home? NO! They designed it so ppl who play single player can go duel, play
with friends, or do whatever else they can think of. The hacks are just
there because they are easier to implement. So it seems you have some sort
of double standard. I bet you wouldn't touch an Open Bnet game with a 10
foot pole. But you feel your realm safe-haven should be hack free.
> >
> > > Isn't that what realm play is all about?
> >
> > Sure, you can find a group of people and play a PW protected game. No
> > cheaters, lame ass PKs etc. I promise.
>
> Again, Fuck you, and welcome to my ever growing killfile of lamers.
>
Hmmmm. Seems like someone needs some anger management. Yes, if you want to
avoid ppl you don't like or have something against you should play where
they can't get to you... Seems perfectly reasonable. If you choose to play
where they play, "they" are what you will find.
Mickey
news:_7yJ7.130947$%94.21...@news02.optonline.net...
> "Sooprbrain" <soopr...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20011117010155...@mb-cv.aol.com...
> > >Subject: Re: Maphack v4.3
> > >From: "Taran'li Maren" an...@unknown.com
> >
> > >You ALSO get pk'd by people who are just 30 levels higher than you and
> not
> > >running map-hack. Pk'ers are pk'ers, no matter what hacks they run.
> Don't
> > >lump map-hack and pk'ing together, because they're NOT the same thing.
> > >
>
> I agree with this. Just cause I use maphack does that mean I'm a PK? I
like
> to help ppl (kill act bosses, do ancients quest, etc.) and maphack helps
me
> do this in half the time. This makes the ppl I'm helping happy, me happy,
> and leaves no one angered... Explain the bad in that?
No, it doesn't mean you're a PK, it means you're a cheater. Plain, simple
and direct. YOU ARE A CHEATER. You wanna cheat, go ahead, you do it in my
game and you had better be very good or very fast, or very dead.
Mickey
Mickey
I also DLed it. I always DL hacks, just to see what I am up against. I even
took one trip, in a solo PW game, down to see Baal. Now, anyone who doesn't
think it's an enormous advantage, is so lame that they not only have to
hack, but can't play with even when they do.
Mickey
>
> --
> Christopher Childs
>
Tekonus
"Steve Humiston" <sigu...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hEtJ7.39367$XJ4.22...@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com...
> "Hans Mule Man" <fla...@veriomail.com> wrote in message
> news:uiiJ7.4368$Le.1...@sea-read.news.verio.net...
> You need firm examples to illustrate a simple concept? Ok, here's one.
How
> about PKs who use the map hack to locate their victims so they know
> precisely when to go hostile? The map hack makes WP jumping much easier.
Yes, but it also works vice-versa. Helping you see PKs in advance, leaving
you more time to retreat.
Tekonus
> "Tekonus" <mad...@NO-SPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
> news:_7yJ7.130947$%94.21...@news02.optonline.net...
> > "Sooprbrain" <soopr...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20011117010155...@mb-cv.aol.com...
> > > >Subject: Re: Maphack v4.3
> > > >From: "Taran'li Maren" an...@unknown.com
> > >
>
> No, it doesn't mean you're a PK, it means you're a cheater. Plain, simple
> and direct. YOU ARE A CHEATER. You wanna cheat, go ahead, you do it in my
> game and you had better be very good or very fast, or very dead.
Ok, "I'm a cheater!!!" Happy? Now that I've admitted my flaw. I wanna here
an "I'm a PK" or maybe even "I'm an asshole" from you.
>
> Mickey
>
> >
<snip>
Tekonus
Aha, so you've used it. One Baal run eh? You pick up gold on this run? You
get any items? You DID get experience. In the way you have described it,
anything you recieved in that "test" therefor makes you a cheater also.
Cause its kinda hard to NOT get exp even while just testing it in one run.
That exp is tainted... you are baaaaaad. You cheater.
There, how do you like it?
> Mickey
>
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Childs
> >
>
>
Mickey
Not only don't I PK, but those here who aren't newbies like yourself know
that quite to the contrary, I hunt PKs. I had a website in D1 with over 6000
PK ears, and took out one entire clan. However, I do not play with cheaters,
and I make that clear in every game. You cheat, you die. As to being an
asshole, well, maybe I am, but I;m an asshole who can play a simple game
without having to cheat at it. So now, where does that leave you? A cheater
AND an asshole? Sounds about right.
Mickey
Mickey
*PLONK*
Mickey
Gary Scoggins
SINGLE thing that bugs you
involves the plural entity "people" is irrelevant.
"Mickey" <mickeybTI...@home.com> wrote in message
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RU4GUS
And I say this from the bottom of my heart,
SHUT UP!
Both sides of the issue just shut up. You whine more then my 5 year
old son. If people learned to clip their posts that would be one
thing but there are huge posts just to say...you are an idiot...no you
are an idiot.
SHUT UP and talk about something else please. Just give it a rest.
Thank You for your time.
RU
Sooprbrain
>From: "Tekonus" madmatt@NO-SPAM
>That exp is tainted... you are baaaaaad. You cheater.
>
>There, how do you like it?
You just dont get it do you? You are CHEATING to give yourself an advantage in
the game. It is so simple to comprehend, yet you keep saying it is not
cheating. You can rationlize it all you want, but what you are doing is
circumnavigating parts of the game to make it easier.
I dont CARE that you do it..I honestly dont. I just dont want to play the game
with you. I dont want you..a cheater..to get the advantage of playing in a
game with me, to gain experience..to be ahead of the people playing the game
without the benefit of hacking. Go ahead and cheapen the game because you are
lazy, or tired of having to work for things. Just do it by yourself...keep it
off games that other people are playing.
Sooprbrain
>From: "Tekonus"
>Wanna know what good maphack does? How about allowing you to see a PK coming
>at youi from much farther away on the map then you would normally.
>Potentially saving your life, especially if you play HC like me.
Well you do know that PK's are part of the game... Maphacks are not.
Sooprbrain
>From: nos...@here.com
>SHUT UP and talk about something else please. Just give it a rest.
>
>Thank You for your time.
Look at the header. If you dont want to read about something..then dont open
the thread.
FlashFlood
cheat-infested Diablo 1 game doesn't make you special
Ingo Jankowski
> "is" refers to the SINGLE thing that bugs you........ the fact that the
> SINGLE thing that bugs you
> involves the plural entity "people" is irrelevant.
Thanks, to both Mickey and Gary.
Ingo Jankowski
>>Not surprising, as wife beaters often find a way to blame their wives for
>>some action that thereby percipitated the beating. People who cheat always
>>find some sort of lame justification for their actions.
>
> Equating cheating in a game with wife beating is pretty bad Mickey,
You know, that's not what Mickey did. The only one drawing the equation
here is you, and pulling by its hair it is. Mickey's observation is a
little bit different, but that may have escaped you.
[snippety-do-dah]
> NOT THE HACK THATS THE PROBLEM, but instead the person using it?
Of course. Use Maphack for your solo-only chars, fine. Use Maphack with
people that agree and don't trade stuff with people that don't, fine.
Use it to waste a few bytes on your HD or use it to teach someone how to
write programs (or not), fine. But that's not what Maphack is for, and
more than that, that's not how it is generally used.
Not the guns are the problem, the people using them are? Just that,
without the guns, there would be a lot less of these problems? Opening a
can of worms here I know. Loop back to that nice neverending thread on
gun control about a year ago. Anyway,
as long as you play with yourself or with people that agree to you you
can make up your own set of rules for the game just fine; no one wants
to prescribe you what to do. BUT as soon as you play with others on the
realms that adhere to the given set of rules, you're expected to do just
as well. Is that so hard to understand?
>> The want the
>
>>benefits of their actions without the shame it bears.
>>
> Sounds like you know a lot about the activity it seems.
Oh, showing some of the true colours here, it seems?
>> More than that, they
>
>>want the approval of those that do have the personal integrity to play
>>legit. If ever there was a textbook example of "lame", this is it.
Actually very well put.
> Yes. You appear to be about as lame as they come.
Ah, I understand. Very telling, this, for the ones able to read.
Ingo Jankowski
> Of course, when someone steals their car, they will cry like babies. It's OK
> to break the rules THEY see fit to break. Others can go to hell.
That's another point. Although maybe it doesn't apply so much for the
maphack. In the case of duping for example, the duper's advantage was
the greater the fewer people actually duped or used dupes. If used for
item finding, this applies to Maphack too: Maphackers get stuff
relatively cheap and are able to trade it away for the higher legit
prices. I do believe that the general adoption of the hack significantly
"helped" to bring prices for high level equipment down so quickly, up to
the point where trading stuff is a greater hassle than finding what you
need by yourself.
Mickey
news:3bf6d057...@enews.newsguy.com...
This is a public forum. If people speaking their minds bothers you, don't
let the dorr hit your ass on the way out. You may also kill the thread, or
killfile the participants. What you cannot do is impose your will on me.
Mickey
Mickey
Nor do I want to read any of his posts. I come here to discuss the game with
people who know how to play it. Those who need to cheat pefroce do not know
who to play the game, and therefor have nothing to say which I need to read.
Mickey
Ingo Jankowski
> Who says *we* need to? Saving time is simply the smart thing to do.
Playing D2 isn't exactly about saving time. More the opposite of it. You
*spend* time playing. Sheesh.
> Life is a game of time-management, and i fail to see how someone not managing
> his time is somehow 'cooler' than someone who doesn't.
Another lame (because ridiculous) attempt to rectify cheating. Of course
adhering to a set of rules of a game isn't cool. The cool guys are those
who are beyond rules. Rules don't matter for them, but they are very
concerned that the others do, since that makes him cooler than them.
Hint: It destroys your entire coolness if you are so concerned about
uncool (legit) people calling you cheater. Really cool people aren't
affected by that. But this way, you're neither legit nor cool. Hence: lame.
> Oh woe is me! i am killfiled! I must henceforth assume I "won" this
> argument.
This was ironic, right? Not really sure, so I have to ask.
> I know how to play the game, and i do not like the opposite
> being said. Since i use the maphack, i must also assume I play the game
> better than you do.
Interesting logic. Not the one being taught at school though.
Ingo Jankowski
> mickey, am i a wife beater? what a great analogy that was. calling me an
> asshole because i use a cheat, another nice example of just what a great guy
> you are. hah, you're so cool mickey! gee.. using maphack is like being a
> wife beater.. i guess from that logic anyone killing monsters in diabloII is
> just like being a serial killer in real life. huzzah mickey, for you have
> totally changed my viewpoint! cheating is wrong, anyone that does it should
> be yelled at using dumbshit logic and insulted without cause! I SEE THE
> LIGHT! now respond with 'you are an idiot added to killfile i am cool' or
> some other self-righteous bullshit.
I know I'm wasting my and other's time but:
Ian, learn to read. Next, try to understand what people have written.
In one of the two above, you failed miserably, which led you to write
some utter nonsense.
I'll try again: If you, by cheating, manage to find more items/hour than
if you don't cheat, you are getting an unfair advantage on *everybody
else*. If, on the other hand, you did *not* get any advantage, then
where would be the point of cheating? You and your friends are
constantly contradicting yourselves.
If you have trouble understanding the above paragraph, I'll gladly
explain in-depth, but I may charge for the service.
FlashFlood
Ingo Jankowski wrote:
> FlashFlood wrote:
>
>> Who says *we* need to? Saving time is simply the smart thing to do.
>
> Playing D2 isn't exactly about saving time. More the opposite of it. You
> *spend* time playing. Sheesh.
A matter of perspective then.. I see walking through long maps that i've
walked hundreds of thousands of times before as a waste. In order to cut
the waste of time and effort, enter maphack.. the clouds open forth and
a ray of light shines upon me, i am saved.
>
>> Life is a game of time-management, and i fail to see how someone not
>> managing his time is somehow 'cooler' than someone who doesn't.
>
>
>
> Another lame (because ridiculous) attempt to rectify cheating. Of course
> adhering to a set of rules of a game isn't cool. The cool guys are those
> who are beyond rules.
what are you babbling about? Try not to put words in other peoples'
mouths...
> Rules don't matter for them, but they are very
> concerned that the others do, since that makes him cooler than them.
The juvenile terms that get thrown around in here.. 'lame' & 'cool' i
think you've spent too much time playing a 13 year olds' game. It helps
if you play it in small doses.. But you know you'd probably get nowhere
with your insistence on playing in a notably less efficient way.
>
> Hint: It destroys your entire coolness if you are so concerned about
> uncool (legit) people calling you cheater. Really cool people aren't
> affected by that. But this way, you're neither legit nor cool. Hence: lame.
>
>> Oh woe is me! i am killfiled! I must henceforth assume I "won" this
>> argument.
>
>
> This was ironic, right? Not really sure, so I have to ask.
Well, read it a few more times, it'll come to you.. When it gets to
around the 25th reread, ummm yeah you should probably play less D2.
Compootor games melt your brain! woooooooOOoooo...
>
>> I know how to play the game, and i do not like the opposite being
>> said. Since i use the maphack, i must also assume I play the game
>> better than you do.
>
>
>
> Interesting logic. Not the one being taught at school though.
lol i'll admit i'm just trying to annoy now. But yes, you can see the
perverted logic.
I still dont see what the big beef is.. I'm assuming mickey and his
cronies were just so angry that people ruined Diablo 1 by cheating, that
now they've become completely inflexible and hyper sensitive towards
'cheating.'
Maphack is a godsend. If you ask me it helps speed the tempo of an
otherwise slow game.
Mickey
Ingo, why bother. You would have better luck talking to bin Laden. He too
can justify his actions. Sadly, that justification fails to pass muster with
anyone with 11 functioning brain cells.
On a funny note:
I was in my usual hangout (the Co-op channel), when a PD necro whispered me
and asked if I would help him with Andariel in hell mode. Having tried, and
I might add failed, to master the PD necro, and knowing what a pain ANdy can
be for them, I asked him if he had maphack. He said no, I said yes, and off
we went. I opened a portal to the cats lvl 2 for him and off we went in
search for the stairs. On the way there, I ran into one of the many groups
of uniques that frequent those levels. I offed them, and on the floor lay a
large charm, which upon identification turned out to be 175 poison damage,
6-14 fire damage. I considered this to have been worth the entire affair,
but it seems Blizzard did not. On level 3, I once again ran into a unique
group. Pasted them as well, and a small charm hit the tarmac. IDing this one
was even more rewarding, as it was a 7%MF, 50 poison damage charms. As to
whether there is or is not a God I will leave for others, but justice there
most certainly is :)
Mickey
>
Mickey
ROFL.... Too funny....
Mickey
>
Nick Zitzmann
"Tekonus" <mad...@NO-SPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Ahhh, you play on realms... Where there should be no cheaters... Hmmmm. Good
> logic. You think Bliz designed open bnet so cheaters have a place to call
> home? NO! They designed it so ppl who play single player can go duel, play
> with friends, or do whatever else they can think of. The hacks are just
> there because they are easier to implement. So it seems you have some sort
> of double standard. I bet you wouldn't touch an Open Bnet game with a 10
> foot pole. But you feel your realm safe-haven should be hack free.
<sigh> The whole point of the closed realms was to play devoid of hacks
of any sort. Online hacks will cause me to quit playing a given game
online. I used to play Diablo online, but I was so sick and tired of
getting PK'd by hacked characters that I gave up and played offline only
from that point onward. Now, because of realm hacks like the map hack, I
only play in team games when I need to gain lots of experience fast, and
play single player all the rest of the time. I really like playing in
groups, but the hackers are preventing me from doing this. And don't
even reply saying that "map hack hurts no one," _BECAUSE_IT_DOES_.
Nick Zitzmann
ICQ: 22305512
"Democracy is a very delicate tool, and if you try to impose democracy without the basic civil society that supports it, you get yourself into a serious problem." - Edward Walker, former US Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs (2000-2001)
Ian Allen
i play diablo2 to kill monsters. if i am better, doesn't that make my party
better?
i understand your point about having an advantage, but I think it hurts no
one.
oh, and your point really had nothing to do with the post i had made.
Tekonus
> This is a public forum. If people speaking their minds bothers you, don't
> let the dorr hit your ass on the way out. You may also kill the thread, or
> killfile the participants. What you cannot do is impose your will on me.
>
> Mickey
My god... I think thats one thing Mickey and me agree on! Go Mickey!
Ian Allen
"Nick Zitzmann" <nick...@eskimo.com> wrote in message
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... no it doesn't.
Steve Sprague
> Steve Sprague wrote:
>
> >>Not surprising, as wife beaters often find a way to blame their wives for
> >>some action that thereby percipitated the beating. People who cheat always
> >>find some sort of lame justification for their actions.
> >
> > Equating cheating in a game with wife beating is pretty bad Mickey,
>
>
> You know, that's not what Mickey did.
Hmm, well he made the comparison. You may not know how seriously Mickey takes
his issues of cheating, but I do.
The only one drawing the equation
> here is you, and pulling by its hair it is. Mickey's observation is a
> little bit different, but that may have escaped you.
>
> [snippety-do-dah]
>
> > NOT THE HACK THATS THE PROBLEM, but instead the person using it?
>
>
> Of course. Use Maphack for your solo-only chars, fine. Use Maphack with
> people that agree and don't trade stuff with people that don't, fine.
> Use it to waste a few bytes on your HD or use it to teach someone how to
> write programs (or not), fine. But that's not what Maphack is for, and
> more than that, that's not how it is generally used.
>
> Not the guns are the problem, the people using them are? Just that,
> without the guns, there would be a lot less of these problems? Opening a
> can of worms here I know. Loop back to that nice neverending thread on
> gun control about a year ago. Anyway,
>
> as long as you play with yourself or with people that agree to you you
> can make up your own set of rules for the game just fine; no one wants
> to prescribe you what to do. BUT as soon as you play with others on the
> realms that adhere to the given set of rules, you're expected to do just
> as well. Is that so hard to understand?
I understand it just fine, and I agree with you 100%, and thats the point that
brain donor Mickey is missing.
>
> >> The want the
> >
> >>benefits of their actions without the shame it bears.
> >>
> > Sounds like you know a lot about the activity it seems.
>
>
> Oh, showing some of the true colours here, it seems?
Excuse me? Im not the one equating "cheating" with wife beating or name
calling or whatever. He has done this before.
Steve
Rachel & Paul
why is it that when either side of an argument loses the balance of power
they always resort to name calling...
think school yard...
while id do not advocate the use of hacks in any form, i do not care if
someone in my game chooses to use one, because there is precious little i
can do about it. wait... I CAN LEAVE.
i however will not stoop to name calling or pking...that is for ppl who cant
express anger without some form of retribution..be it physical or emotional.
basically...maphack is here and there isnt anything you can do about it
calm down...get over it...and keep playing.
or not. the choice is yours.
Paul
"Mickey" <mickeybTI...@home.com> wrote in message
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Steve Sprague
> Fuck you. I don't have to play private games to avaoid cheaters, I play on
> realms, where cheating should not be found.
Well shit, I lock my doors so I shouldnt be burglarized, but it happens. You
are naive if you think Bnet was going to be "cheat" free. You arent trying to
avoid cheaters...if you were, you would play password protected games and be
done with it. As it stands now, you just want to bitch and moan. I dont get
PK'd. Why you ask? Because Im smart enough to play password protected games.
Try it sometime.
If I find an lamer like you in
> my game, you will be dead in under 15 seconds. I know this for a fact,
> because if you had one iota of talent at the game,. you wouldn't need to
> cheat.
I wouldnt be dead, assface. I would be in town har har har. Did your mom take
you to the new Harry Potter movie yet? I hear it Rulez.
>
> >
> > > Isn't that what realm play is all about?
> >
> > Sure, you can find a group of people and play a PW protected game. No
> > cheaters, lame ass PKs etc. I promise.
>
> Again, Fuck you, and welcome to my ever growing killfile of lamers.
Translation: Waaaa, I dont agree with you and cant stand discussing it like an
adult. This is why your lame ass left agd a long time ago. Youre too fucking
obtuse to understand that you arent the only one on Bnet.
Steve