BLIZZARD FUCK YOU
CPP
FUCKING GAY EXPANSION SET!@ BITCH> FUCK YOU BLIZZARD! AGAIN, FUCK YOU
GOOKS!
Douglas Reay
>IF BLIZZARD DOESN"T FIX THIS SHIT THEN I"M SURE NO ONE WILL GONNA BUY YOUR
>FUCKING GAY EXPANSION SET!@ BITCH> FUCK YOU BLIZZARD! AGAIN, FUCK YOU GOOKS!
Oh my. Sexism ("bitch"), sexualism ("gay") and racism ("gooks") all in
just two lines.
I _am_ impressed.
Douglas
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no...@none.none says...
> IF BLIZZARD DOESN"T FIX THIS SHIT THEN I"M SURE NO ONE WILL GONNA BUY YOUR
> FUCKING GAY EXPANSION SET!@ BITCH> FUCK YOU BLIZZARD! AGAIN, FUCK YOU
> GOOKS!
Actually, Blizzard just ensured that everyone will buy the expansion.
Not just that, they will buy it on the first day it comes out. It's just
like a hostage situation, and they have your old characters until you
buy LoD
>
>
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> IF BLIZZARD DOESN"T FIX THIS SHIT THEN I"M SURE NO ONE WILL GONNA BUY YOUR
> FUCKING GAY EXPANSION SET!@ BITCH> FUCK YOU BLIZZARD! AGAIN, FUCK YOU
> GOOKS!
My, so many foul words...
BTW, how is a game gay?
And, no - they won't change it back.
What is there to fix?
They've intentionally made CD2 a close copy of the expansion.
They're not about to change it back.
Especially not with your "winning" arguments.
Johan
Dark Tyger
Here, have a ritalin. Sounds like someone needs a nap.
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CPP <no...@none.none> wrote in message
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> FUCKING GAY EXPANSION SET!@ BITCH> FUCK YOU BLIZZARD! AGAIN, FUCK YOU
> GOOKS!
>
>
grow up, cpp
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"Fuck you Blizzard"?!?!
You GAYs dont have to buy shit from them,
its not like its microsoft or something,
trust me , games like diablo should Cost More...
Look at us , we all fucking warship that game,
Best fucking game ever
SO WHAT IF THEY TRICK YOU TO BUY EXTRA'S????
Oh...,
I know that ExPansion Set, and he is not gay, he just acts like it to atract
the Girls.....
Ta Ta
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Rast
doug...@chiark.greenend.org.uk says...
> CPP <no...@none.none> wrote:
> >IF BLIZZARD DOESN"T FIX THIS SHIT THEN I"M SURE NO ONE WILL GONNA BUY YOUR
> >FUCKING GAY EXPANSION SET!@ BITCH> FUCK YOU BLIZZARD! AGAIN, FUCK YOU GOOKS!
>
> Oh my. Sexism ("bitch"), sexualism ("gay") and racism ("gooks") all in
> just two lines.
"Bitch" as an insult isn't sexism. If you said "All women are
bitches", that would be sexism.
What the hell is "sexualism"? As made-up words go, it's even
stupider than "homophobic".
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Blade
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> FUCKING GAY EXPANSION SET!@ BITCH> FUCK YOU BLIZZARD! AGAIN, FUCK YOU
> GOOKS!
I take offense to that....cause I'm the feminist leader of the lesbian
korean association.
Blade
Blade
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Almost as stupid as "stupider".
Blade
Time Goddess
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> I take offense to that....cause I'm the feminist leader of the lesbian
> korean association.
>
Freaksaus
We should be glad, another idiot gone from bnet :-)
Freek
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Rast
says...
> > What the hell is "sexualism"? As made-up words go, it's even
> > stupider than "homophobic".
>
> Almost as stupid as "stupider".
What is that supposed to mean? "Stupider" is indeed a real word,
with a linguistic history and everything (dictionary.com: [Latin
stupidus, from stupre, to be stunned.])
Unlike the made-up words "sexualism" (did you invent that word just
now? I've never heard it before) and "homophobic".
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Gah....guess she will now!
Blade
Mr_Whoopass
context with which you used it, regardless of what Dictionary.com says. Both
Oxford and Merriam-Webster would suggest the contrary. The correct way to
use "stupid" to convey the meaning you are looking for would require you to
use the adverb "more" in conjunction with "stupid". Please feel free to
consult any English teacher nationwide.
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Rast
mr_wh...@hotmail.com says...
> Unfortunately, "stupider" is not grammatically correct English in the
> context with which you used it, regardless of what Dictionary.com says.
You are correct. However, my original point was that the original
poster was just racist, not sexist or "sexualist".
As long as we're going to turn this into a grammar-nitpicking
thread, you don't use something "with" a context -- you use
something "in" a context. So you should have written:
Unfortunately, "stupider" is not grammatically correct English in
the context *IN* which you used it, regardless of what
Dictionary.com says.
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Blade
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> Unfortunately, "stupider" is not grammatically correct English in the
> context with which you used it, regardless of what Dictionary.com says.
Both
> Oxford and Merriam-Webster would suggest the contrary. The correct way to
> use "stupid" to convey the meaning you are looking for would require you
to
> use the adverb "more" in conjunction with "stupid". Please feel free to
> consult any English teacher nationwide.
Hahaha...thanks....you beat me to it :)
Blade
Darrel Hoffman
The term "homophobic" is a complete misnomer anyhow. If you take it apart,
"homo" just means "same", and "phobic" means "fear of", so "homphobic"
literally means "fear of the same", whereas the term is usually used to
describe staight people's attitudes towards gay people. Techincally
translated, the only people who can officially be called "homophobic" are
gay people afraid of other gay people, (or straight people who afraid of
other straight people, or basically any group which is afraid of other
members of the same group...) Oh well. There are definitely stupider
things in the English language than that...
Ever heard of "Autophobia"? Supposedly it means "fear of cars", but
literally translated it means "fear of self"... Boy, that would really
suck...
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>In article <hzr*Tp...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
>doug...@chiark.greenend.org.uk says...
>> CPP <no...@none.none> wrote:
>> >IF BLIZZARD DOESN"T FIX THIS SHIT THEN I"M SURE NO ONE WILL GONNA BUY YOUR
>> >FUCKING GAY EXPANSION SET!@ BITCH> FUCK YOU BLIZZARD! AGAIN, FUCK YOU GOOKS!
>>
>> Oh my. Sexism ("bitch"), sexualism ("gay") and racism ("gooks") all in
>> just two lines.
>
>"Bitch" as an insult isn't sexism. If you said "All women are
>bitches", that would be sexism.
bitch (bch)
n.
1 A female canine animal, especially a dog.
2 Offensive.
a A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing.
b A lewd woman.
>What the hell is "sexualism"? As made-up words go, it's even
>stupider than "homophobic".
Homophobic made up? Hmmm:
ho搶o搆ho搓i戢 (hm-fb-)
n.
1 Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2 Behavior based on such a feeling.
Last I checked, official dictionaries didn't list "made up" words.
Sexualism wasn't there, but it's obvious what he meant. Really, you
must have been desperate to flame on such silly semantics.
Dark Tyger
>In article <BCbY6.107200$%i7.78...@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>,
>mr_wh...@hotmail.com says...
>
>> Unfortunately, "stupider" is not grammatically correct English in the
>> context with which you used it, regardless of what Dictionary.com says.
>
>You are correct. However, my original point was that the original
>poster was just racist, not sexist or "sexualist".
Sorry, the use of the term "gay" in it's derogatory sense IS, in fact,
homophobic. The origins of the slang use come from homosexuals being
viewed in the same sense in which the word is used.
Tell me, would you be so defensive if the word they chose to mean
"stupid" was "nigger" instead? Wonder how many people would stand up
in defense of "That is so nigger" rather than "that is so gay"...
Now, tell me, where's the difference?
Greatness
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this newsgroup
CPP <no...@none.none> wrote in message
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> IF BLIZZARD DOESN"T FIX THIS SHIT THEN I"M SURE NO ONE WILL GONNA BUY YOUR
> FUCKING GAY EXPANSION SET!@ BITCH> FUCK YOU BLIZZARD! AGAIN, FUCK YOU
> GOOKS!
>
>
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Yay! :)
Now if we only could get the summer-break horde to go play outside...
Johan
Johanlb
> In article <BCbY6.107200$%i7.78...@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>,
> mr_wh...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > Unfortunately, "stupider" is not grammatically correct English in the
> > context with which you used it, regardless of what Dictionary.com says.
>
> You are correct. However, my original point was that the original
> poster was just racist, not sexist or "sexualist".
>
I just like to point out that the original poster is none of the above.
He's just a simple "morron"(in his own words)
Stupid in other words :)
Johan
tcells
Blade wrote in message ...
hey Blade :)
just piggy backing, is TG putting some nasty binaries in her posts as per
usual (j/k) but my nntp server slam dunks every one of her posts before I
can see it :(
>
tcells
Darrel Hoffman wrote in message <9grm5v$alp2e$1...@ID-75023.news.dfncis.de>...
>"Rast" <ras...@NOSPAMcs.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.159b0610a...@news.compuserve.com...
>> In article <tj27n0h...@corp.supernews.com>, bl...@isys.ca
>> says...
snip
>
>Ever heard of "Autophobia"? Supposedly it means "fear of cars", but
>literally translated it means "fear of self"... Boy, that would really
>suck...
when I was growing up, a young kid in the town I lived was allergic to all
forms of water (rain, bath, drinking etc)
Blade
news:IiiY6.6$YD....@vic.nntp.telstra.net...
Heh....none that I can see....maybe you have her killfiled...she is using
common email.
Blade
Xocyll
>In article <tj27n0h...@corp.supernews.com>, bl...@isys.ca
>says...
>> > What the hell is "sexualism"? As made-up words go, it's even
>> > stupider than "homophobic".
>>
>> Almost as stupid as "stupider".
>
>What is that supposed to mean? "Stupider" is indeed a real word,
>with a linguistic history and everything (dictionary.com: [Latin
>stupidus, from stupre, to be stunned.])
Please remember that not all dictionaries agree.
Dictionary.com is based on
"The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth
Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved."
and thus is listing "American English" which is not the same as the
"English" spoken in the rest of the world.
Stupider is not in the Chambers dictionary i have on a shelf behind me
for instance.
Now if someone would look in the OED and see if it's in there we'll
know for sure if it's a real _English_ word, or just American slang.
Xocyll
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>>Ever heard of "Autophobia"? Supposedly it means "fear of cars", but
>>literally translated it means "fear of self"... Boy, that would really
>>suck...
>
>when I was growing up, a young kid in the town I lived was allergic to all
>forms of water (rain, bath, drinking etc)
My uncle alwasy joked he used to be allergic to soap and water
together. Water alone was fine, as was soap alone. But combine the
two... ;-)
Time Goddess
news:IiiY6.6$YD....@vic.nntp.telstra.net...
> usual (j/k) but my nntp server slam dunks every one of her posts before I
> can see it :(
>
anyone else with CIS.DFN.DE having problems?
Time Goddess
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> So if you know all about games why not make one yourself?
>
> Cursing don't help, please don't use it, there are young people who read
> this newsgroup
>
tcells
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>"tcells" <tce...@Xcapmon.com> wrote in message
>news:IiiY6.6$YD....@vic.nntp.telstra.net...
>>
>> Blade wrote in message ...
>> >"Time Goddess" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
>> >news:9gr8vh$aaedq$1...@ID-64699.news.dfncis.de...
>> >> "Blade" <bl...@isys.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:tj27g73...@corp.supernews.com...
>> >> > I take offense to that....cause I'm the feminist leader of the
>lesbian
>> >> > korean association.
>> >> >
>> >> Does your wife know this?
>> >
>> >Gah....guess she will now!
>> >Blade
>> >
>>
>> hey Blade :)
>>
>> just piggy backing, is TG putting some nasty binaries in her posts as per
>> usual (j/k) but my nntp server slam dunks every one of her posts before I
>> can see it :(
>
>Heh....none that I can see....maybe you have her killfiled...she is using
>common email.
no I'd never kill file TG, been missing her witty and pointed posts. She
post appears on my list (which it wouldn't if kill filed) but I always
deleted off the sever msg when I go to read them - maybe she visited Aus and
didn't pay her telstra bill ..
>Blade
>
>
tcells
tcells wrote in message ...
>
snip
>>
>>Heh....none that I can see....maybe you have her killfiled...she is using
>>common email.
>
>no I'd never kill file TG, been missing her witty and pointed posts. She
>post appears on my list (which it wouldn't if kill filed) but I always
>deleted off the sever msg when I go to read them - maybe she visited Aus
and
>didn't pay her telstra bill ..
damn what was I on when I wrote that, and where can I get more?
Her post headers appear, but the post is never present on the server.
>
>>Blade
>>
>>
>
>
Gabe Morris
word, where as nigger is still pretty offensive
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Darrel Hoffman
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> gay ppl are in the minority and the word gay has evolved to be a
unoffensive
> word, where as nigger is still pretty offensive
Actually, I frequently hear black people using the word themselves, just
like many gay people now use words like "fag" and "queer" which would be
offensive if anyone else said them... However, you're basically right that
the term "gay" is now acceptable no matter who says it, unlike the other
examples...
Dark Tyger
>gay ppl are in the minority and the word gay has evolved to be a unoffensive
>word, where as nigger is still pretty offensive
It only "evolved" to be unoffensive by the redneck jackoffs who use it
in that sense. Or are you so self-centered as to think you're opinion
on the matter is all that matters?
And since when did the minority's opinion not count? Go ask that
minority what they think of it....
Brian Trosko
>>gay ppl are in the minority and the word gay has evolved to be a unoffensive
>>word, where as nigger is still pretty offensive
> And since when did the minority's opinion not count? Go ask that
> minority what they think of it....
You mean like the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force?
Judging by the number of homosexual activist groups with the word "Gay" in
their name, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that that particular minority
isn't anywhere near as bothered by the word "Gay" as you seem to be.
Gabe Morris
of that orientation
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Dorian
<gabbler123@lesspam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>haha yeah itd be a real downer if gay pride marches were offensive to those
>of that orientation
This is not about the word gay being offensive.
It is about using gay as a slur, implying that gay is negative Ie:
BLIZZARD THIS PATCH IS GAY.
In that sentance, Gay is used as a derogatory statement, and as such
is an offensive use of the word.
SilverRaven
<bond...@home.com> pleaded:
I read it as the patch has style and taste in decorating. ;-)
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Dark Tyger
Who said anything about the use of the word "gay" to describe
homosexuals in itself being offensive? The use of the same word as a
synonym for "stupid", however, is quite offensive and is, quite
frankly, no different than if one used the word "nigger" in the same
sense.
Dorian
<dark...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Who said anything about the use of the word "gay" to describe
>homosexuals in itself being offensive? The use of the same word as a
>synonym for "stupid", however, is quite offensive and is, quite
>frankly, no different than if one used the word "nigger" in the same
>sense.
The type of people who use gay as an insult, do not see this though.
You are preaching to a bigot, and no rationality will open their
bigoted eyes.
Gabe Morris
political correctness which is just a load of utter BS
that and youre soo wrapped in whether the word gay is offensive or not where
in other posts your entire posts have been offensive... so its alright to
make personal comments but hell ya not allowed to say a word which might be
slightly offensive
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Dark Tyger
>offensive to who, youre missing the most obvious thing, its all a matter of
>political correctness which is just a load of utter BS
So, I guess the black people out there who take offense when they're
called "niggers" are just getting worked up over matters of political
correctness, and it's all a load of BS, too, huh?
My god, how is it possible for anyone to be so closed-minded and still
claim sentience?
Douglas Reay
>
> Dorian <bond...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> Gabe Morris <gabbler123@lesspam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> haha yeah itd be a real downer if gay pride marches were
>>> offensive to those of that orientation
>>
>> This is not about the word gay being offensive.
>>
>> It is about using gay as a slur, implying that gay is negative Ie:
>> BLIZZARD THIS PATCH IS GAY.
>>
>> In that sentance, Gay is used as a derogatory statement, and as such
>> is an offensive use of the word.
>
> matter of political correctness which is just a load of utter BS
> that and youre soo wrapped in whether the word gay is offensive
> or not where in other posts your entire posts have been offensive...
> so its alright to make personal comments but hell ya not allowed
> to say a word which might be slightly offensive
Hiya Gabe,
I hope you've got time to settle back and spend a little time reading
this reply, because I've got some thoughts for you and it might take
me a little time to get them down.
I'd normally say this was off topic for alt.games.diablo, but I've
notice that on battlenet, along with "gook", "gay" seems to be one
of the words most commonly used as an insult. I don't know about
current American teen culture (I'm a happily married aging Brit),
but that surprised me, and perhaps it would bear a little discussion.
I suspect the word is being used as a synonym for "effeminate male",
and that the actual insult is to do with implied weakness or perhaps
lack of potency, than anything to do with sexuality (threatening or
otherwise). Let's face it, given the popularity of Madonna, and
girl-girl lesbian pornography, just 'kinkiness' is not the problem.
It isn't the highly christian who're the predominant users of "gay"
in this context; it is males from 'macho' or isolated social circles.
Ok, that's surprising, but let's for now leave the question of why
shaven-haired leather-clad harley-riding gay bikers are thought to
be in any way 'effeminate' or 'un-macho', and touch on that
increasingly common Neo-Right-Wing idea that "PC is BS".
DOES USING "GAY" AS A SLUR ACTUALLY CAUSE ANY RL HARM?
======================================================
I'd say yes. But Gabe, if you disagree, I'd be interested in hearing
your arguments. You wrote:
>
> ya not allowed to say a word which might be slightly offensive
Well, ok, yet that is basically what the "Political Correctness"
movement was aiming for... making it socially unacceptable to use
putdowns based on negative stereotypes of race, gender, sexuality,
religion, disability, etc.
Now, granted that changing your habits when it comes to language
usage can be a danged nuisance, granted that it adds constraints
to your freedom to authentically express yourself, and granted
that PC can be taken _way_ too far by some people ("Herstory"?)...
I'd still argue that historically the number of deaths caused
by intolerance based on people's intrinsic characteristics
far outweighs the number of deaths caused by intolerance of
intolerant language.
Case in point: can you put rough numbers on the number of German
citizens killed under Hitler's authority on the following grounds:
a) religion (eg jewish)
b) race (eg gypsy)
c) sexuality (eg homosexuality)
d) disability (eg morons and lower)
Now, can you tell me roughly the number of people who have been
stoned to death in all history, for continued use of the word "gay"
as an insult? :-)
[Ok, let me make it clear here that I'm not trying to call everyone
who uses "gay" as an insult a Nazi and a supporter of euthanasia.]
I'd say at this point you have roughly four options:
1. Give in, admit we're right, and forswear using the G word.
2. Argue that intolerance isn't so bad. (That gay men deserve to die?)
3. Argue that using "gay" as a casual insult on usenet and in games
doesn't help promote real life physical assaults and murder of gay
men.
4. Argue that while intolerance is bad, PC is worse.
Douglas
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Gabe Morris
gay is widely used and has evolved past the state of meaning happy where as
nigger is just a haarsh word which would better be compared to faggot or
arse bandit, gay really is a political correctness type word, everyone uses
it and anyone who doesnt is really just trying to be different, finally what
i meant was how is it possible for someone to moan that one word might be
slightly offensive to some ppl and then suddenly slag everyone off in other
posts
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Gabe Morris
use gay as an insult but im pretty sure (could be mistaken) that somewhere
down the line someone said gay is offensive to homosexuals, anyway that is
what i was tryin to say, that the word gay is clearly not offensive to
anyone of that orientation and if it is they wanna wake up a lil, sorry to
everyone if theres been a misunderstanding
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Gabe Morris
although they are parodyizing (sp?) that whole culture all theyve done is
made the young uns think that its cool
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Dark Tyger
>the word gay and the word nigger are 2 completely different types of word,
>gay is widely used and has evolved past the state of meaning happy where as
>nigger is just a haarsh word which would better be compared to faggot or
>arse bandit, gay really is a political correctness type word, everyone uses
>it and anyone who doesnt is really just trying to be different, finally what
>i meant was how is it possible for someone to moan that one word might be
>slightly offensive to some ppl and then suddenly slag everyone off in other
>posts
I'll say it again: I'm not complaining about the use of the word in
general. Used "properly", it's not offensive. What I'm complaining
about is use of the word with obvious derogatory intent. In the phrase
"Blizzard are gay", it's obvious "gay" is being used to mean "stupid".
The use of the word in this sense is no less offensive than using
"nigger" in the same sense.
As for "nigger", it is used now days by some in non-offensive ways.
"These are my niggers" is a type of phrase you'll often hear from
black (even some white people) people meaning that "these are my
brothers/friends". Words have many meanings. When I word is used in a
derogatory sense, it is offensive to those who are classified under
that word.
Political correctness isn't bad unless it's carried to extremes. This
isn't carrying it anywhere near extremes. You know damn well that
there's no reasonable denying that the use of the word "gay" to mean
"stupid" evolved out of prejudice against homosexuality. It's used by
the same kids that throw "fag" out in their standard strings of
insults at each other.
Dark Tyger
>hello other brit person everything ya say is correct, it is kinda dumb to
>use gay as an insult but im pretty sure (could be mistaken) that somewhere
>down the line someone said gay is offensive to homosexuals, anyway that is
>what i was tryin to say, that the word gay is clearly not offensive to
>anyone of that orientation and if it is they wanna wake up a lil, sorry to
>everyone if theres been a misunderstanding
No one said that the use of the word, period, was offensive. The use
of the word in the sense we are discussing is.
Rast
dark...@mindspring.com says...
> >offensive to who, youre missing the most obvious thing, its all a matter of
> >political correctness which is just a load of utter BS
>
> So, I guess the black people out there who take offense when they're
> called "niggers" are just getting worked up over matters of political
> correctness, and it's all a load of BS, too, huh?
Bad analogy. The word "nigger" is automatically offensive. Yes, some
black people use it, but most white persons would never say "I have
a nigger friend." The corresponding word for homosexuals is
"faggot."
To put it the way the SAT does, gay:faggot::black:nigger.
--
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tcells
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>While kneeling at the altar of the alt.* hierarchy, Dorian
><bond...@home.com> pleaded:
>
>>On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:42:57 +0100, "Gabe Morris"
>><gabbler123@lesspam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>haha yeah itd be a real downer if gay pride marches were offensive to
those
>>>of that orientation
>>
>>
>>This is not about the word gay being offensive.
>>
>>It is about using gay as a slur, implying that gay is negative Ie:
>>BLIZZARD THIS PATCH IS GAY.
>>
>>In that sentance, Gay is used as a derogatory statement, and as such
>>is an offensive use of the word.
>
>I read it as the patch has style and taste in decorating. ;-)
classic
Dark Tyger
*Watches Rast miss the point completely*
paul
<doug...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>I suspect the word is being used as a synonym for "effeminate male",
>and that the actual insult is to do with implied weakness or perhaps
>lack of potency, than anything to do with sexuality (threatening or
>otherwise). Let's face it, given the popularity of Madonna, and
>girl-girl lesbian pornography, just 'kinkiness' is not the problem.
>It isn't the highly christian who're the predominant users of "gay"
>in this context; it is males from 'macho' or isolated social circles.
>
Here in Australia the expression "gay" has become widely used among
schoolchildren as young as 7 or 8. My son (now 11 and a D2 player) has
been using it with his friends, and on battle net as well, for at
least a couple of years.
It seems to have the meaning of "bad", "poor" or "slack" and isn't
necessarily directed at a person (as in what a gay drop when you get a
cracked dagger). I don't think its really connected with homosexuality
in any way, except perhaps that in the eyes of young kids, gay (as in
homosexual) is an undesirable way to end up. When I asked him if he
knew the meaning of "gay" at 8 or 9, he knew it to mean homosexual (he
didn't know it to mean happy or cheerful though).
Funnily enough he was watching The Flintstones (made around 1965) and
he asked me why they say "we'll have a gay old time" in the theme
song. It didn't occur to this kid that gay used to mean happy or
cheerful, and it was this that led to homosexual groups adopting the
word as a description of their sexuality- in other words they are
happy with it.
Funny how words change around, and at the grassroots level too.
paul x is the spam filter
Dark Tyger
>It seems to have the meaning of "bad", "poor" or "slack" and isn't
>necessarily directed at a person (as in what a gay drop when you get a
>cracked dagger). I don't think its really connected with homosexuality
>in any way, except perhaps that in the eyes of young kids, gay (as in
>homosexual) is an undesirable way to end up.
*sigh* The origin of that particular use of the word does stem from
the negative view of homosexuality and the word's connection with
homosexuals. It's along the same vein of kids scalling each other
"fag!" back and forth in an insult match...
Rast
dark...@mindspring.com says...
> >> So, I guess the black people out there who take offense when they're
> >> called "niggers" are just getting worked up over matters of political
> >> correctness, and it's all a load of BS, too, huh?
> >
> >Bad analogy. The word "nigger" is automatically offensive. Yes, some
> >black people use it, but most white persons would never say "I have
> >a nigger friend." The corresponding word for homosexuals is
> >"faggot."
>
> *Watches Rast miss the point completely*
Oh, I got your point. You've stated it accurately in other posts.
It's your gay:nigger analogy here that's flawed. You don't see gay
people taking offense at being called gay, so don't compare the word
to "nigger", which just about everyone finds offensive.
To comment on the main subject: You might find the use of the word
"gay" as an all purpose insult as offensive as the use of the word
"nigger" to describe a black person, but, in my experience, most
people do not share your opinion. Sad but true.
>
--
.
paul
Is it such a bad thing that kids have a negative view of
homosexuality, if they have a view at all. Unless they've grown up in
a gay household, they probably don't understand it at all, and lack of
knowledge brings fear and distrust. Perfectly natural I'd say.
You really don't expect straight families to extol the virtues of the
gay lifestyle to their kids do you?
And finally, with the homosexual community having adopted a word to
describe something (ie entering language via usage) why cannot
schoolchildren do exactly the same thing, and why does it have to be a
slur if they do?
Achim Siebert
the same happened here in Germany to the german counterpart of "gay".
For me the posting we speak of was offending, since in that context
"gay" was certainly used with a highly bad meaning.
Maybe gays should think of another word - e.g. I'm
merry/jolly/vivacious/gleeful ;-).
To stay at least a bit on topic: I hate this _hetero_ 1.0.8 update
too. The only charactar that is still playable (of my SP chars - I
seldom play on the realms, it's too full and too slow) is my level 47
necro - though I went back from Act1 Hell to Act3 NM with him, and
even there it's sometimes very difficult to get through the bosses.
I probably have to dump my paladin, javazon and barb (even though I
tend to have some points in different spells). Or maybe they only need
to level up some more to continue where they are now.
Merry greetings, Achim.
Achim Siebert
>Is it such a bad thing that kids have a negative view of
>homosexuality, if they have a view at all.
Yes, it is.
Just try to substitute some words in your post:
replace homosexuality with Judaism (or "coloured population")
replace gay with Jewish (or "black")
Maybe "black" would be the better comparison, since "black is black"
and "gay is gay", but a Jew could get a Catholic if he ever feels like
that.
Then you should realize how unreasonably dangerous your sentences are.
>Unless they've grown up in
>a gay household, they probably don't understand it at all, and lack of
>knowledge brings fear and distrust. Perfectly natural I'd say.
>
>You really don't expect straight families to extol the virtues of the
>gay lifestyle to their kids do you?
And don't ever tell your children "Black people don't eat little
children" when they happen to think that?
>And finally, with the homosexual community having adopted a word to
>describe something (ie entering language via usage) why cannot
>schoolchildren do exactly the same thing, and why does it have to be a
>slur if they do?
This is ridiculous - they must have a reason to pick _that_ particular
word - probably because their parents or cultural environment used it
with negative annotation, too.
Anyhow - I'll stop this discussion here, since I know that it's no use
when people are prejudiced anyway.
Achim, 2QT2BSTR8.
Dark Tyger
>Is it such a bad thing that kids have a negative view of
>homosexuality, if they have a view at all. Unless they've grown up in
>a gay household, they probably don't understand it at all, and lack of
>knowledge brings fear and distrust. Perfectly natural I'd say.
No, almost the only kids who have such a negative view of
homosexuality are the ones who have been *taught* by either their
families or their peers (whose families taught them) to hate/fear it.
Remarkably, kids who aren't taught prejudice don't hate like that.
What you're saying here is that it's OK for kids to hate something
their not used to seeing... So, a kid that was raised in an all white
community sees a black or asian for the first time, it's perfectly
okay for them to hate that person because it's new to them, they
"don't understand it at all", and "lack of knowledge brings fear and
distrust"?
>You really don't expect straight families to extol the virtues of the
>gay lifestyle to their kids do you?
No, but ideally, I'd like to see them NOT extol the virtues of hating
someone for their sexual orientation or any other "difference".
>And finally, with the homosexual community having adopted a word to
>describe something (ie entering language via usage) why cannot
>schoolchildren do exactly the same thing, and why does it have to be a
>slur if they do?
When schoolchildren adopts a word commonly used to describe a segment
of the population as a slur, it's a slur to that entire segment of the
population.
SetU2
wrote:
>>
>Here in Australia the expression "gay" has become widely used among
>schoolchildren as young as 7 or 8. My son (now 11 and a D2 player) has
>been using it with his friends, and on battle net as well, for at
>least a couple of years.
>
>It seems to have the meaning of "bad", "poor" or "slack" and isn't
>necessarily directed at a person (as in what a gay drop when you get a
>cracked dagger). I don't think its really connected with homosexuality
>in any way, except perhaps that in the eyes of young kids, gay (as in
>homosexual) is an undesirable way to end up. When I asked him if he
>knew the meaning of "gay" at 8 or 9, he knew it to mean homosexual (he
>didn't know it to mean happy or cheerful though).
>
I saw the earlier posts drawing an analogy to the use of the word
nigger and the posts exploiting the weakness of this analogy. This
post though reminds me how in the early to mid-60's this same
transformation was happening with the word nigger. Many at the time
used the expression "That's niggardly" to belittle or demean something
and that it wasn't directed at a person. It was only after years that
this became socially unacceptable and I believe you'll see the same
happen to the term "That's gay."
Gabe Morris
cos most males who arent dont wanna be called gay
and ask yourself this is homosexuality a state of mind, in that is it
something which only becomes apparent when ppl are rich enough to think
about it, so does homosexuality exist in third world countries and the
animal kingdom ???
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>does homosexuality exist in third world countries and the
>animal kingdom ???
Yes and yes.
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> look its quite obvious its exactly the same as callin a guy a girl, it
works
> cos most males who arent dont wanna be called gay
>
> and ask yourself this is homosexuality a state of mind, in that is it
> something which only becomes apparent when ppl are rich enough to think
> about it, so does homosexuality exist in third world countries and the
> animal kingdom ???
>
might have been a wall), killing it, after said freshly-neutered male dog
mounted his other male dog...
Time Goddess
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<snip>
>Many at the time
> used the expression "That's niggardly" to belittle or demean something
> and that it wasn't directed at a person. It was only after years that
> this became socially unacceptable and I believe you'll see the same
> happen to the term "That's gay."
>
the same lingual family (Germanic as opposed to Romantic) as "nigger", much
less have a similar connotation ("niggardly" means stingy, parsimonious).
Overzealous PC'ers, I guess. It's sad that we allow things like that to
happen.
Darrel Hoffman
from
> the same lingual family (Germanic as opposed to Romantic) as "nigger",
much
> less have a similar connotation ("niggardly" means stingy, parsimonious).
> Overzealous PC'ers, I guess. It's sad that we allow things like that to
> happen.
I know someone who almost failed a sociology class taught by an
ultra-radical feminist, because he used the word "history" in a final paper,
when it was in reference to a woman. (According to the teacher, one has to
use the word "herstory" in this case...) My friend would have gotten a low
B in the class otherwise, (no males in her class ever got A's. She was so
predjudiced against men that she wouldn't even sleep with them...) but she
failed him flat out for that simple blunder. He contested it with the Dean
and got himself the passing grade, but it just goes to show you that a high
level degree doesn't guarantee any kind of common sense... ("History"
actually stems from the word "hystoria", meaning "story". The "his" has no
more gender connoitation than it does in "whistle"...) As for "nigger", it
stems from the word "negro", which literally just means "black", which is an
acceptable term in most places today. Pretty soon, they're going to start
calling Arnold Schwartzenegger a racist, because his last name translates to
"blackblack"...
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animals haveno free will right? but if its genetic it should die out???
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Time Goddess
> well if it exists in the animal kingdom it must be genetic seeing as most
> animals haveno free will right? but if its genetic it should die out???
>
just have less intelligence than humans. This allows them to have (and/or
not ignore) far better instinct, so yes, they do tend to be more guided by
genetics and than us (AFAIK). So assuming that something in the animal's
environment hasn't screwed up its hormones, then I would assume it's a
genetic mutation; in this situation, the idea that homosexuality is a choice
is probably not applicable. Emphasis on "mutation", since that animal
probably could not have gotten that trait elsewhere. It's possible, since
not all mutations are going to be beneficial to the continuing
non-extinction of one's race.
Dark Tyger
SilverRaven
<dark...@mindspring.com> pleaded:
>"Time Goddess" <no...@none.com> wrote:
>
>>"Gabe Morris" <gabbler123@lesspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:9hesm0$dm6$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com...
>>> well if it exists in the animal kingdom it must be genetic seeing as most
>>> animals haveno free will right? but if its genetic it should die out???
>>>
>> You've obviously never had a cat. Animals certainly have free will, they
>>just have less intelligence than humans. This allows them to have (and/or
>>not ignore) far better instinct, so yes, they do tend to be more guided by
>>genetics and than us (AFAIK). So assuming that something in the animal's
>>environment hasn't screwed up its hormones, then I would assume it's a
>>genetic mutation; in this situation, the idea that homosexuality is a choice
>>is probably not applicable. Emphasis on "mutation", since that animal
>>probably could not have gotten that trait elsewhere. It's possible, since
>>not all mutations are going to be beneficial to the continuing
>>non-extinction of one's race.
>
>Perhaps it's also a population control "check"...
You'd think the straight guys would like more gay guys. Leaves more
chicks for them ;-)
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Dark Tyger
>>Perhaps it's also a population control "check"...
>
>You'd think the straight guys would like more gay guys. Leaves more
>chicks for them ;-)
I've no problem with them. ;-p "some of my best friends...."
Catherine de Vries
"Time Goddess" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
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> "Gabe Morris" <gabbler123@lesspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9hesm0$dm6$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com...
> > well if it exists in the animal kingdom it must be genetic seeing as
most
> > animals haveno free will right? but if its genetic it should die out???
> >
> You've obviously never had a cat. Animals certainly have free will,
they
> just have less intelligence than humans.
Just to move completely off-off-topic:
I'd be inclined to alter this statement to "Animals (at least cats)
certainly have free will, and are far more intelligent (read 'sly',
'cunning', 'other adjectives') than humans give them credit for."
Anyway, we're only here because the mice are using us for experiments,
right??
The Ace Man
> SilverRaven <NOSP...@silverraven.com> wrote:
>
> >>Perhaps it's also a population control "check"...
> >
> >You'd think the straight guys would like more gay guys. Leaves more
> >chicks for them ;-)
I have a good friend who is a lesbian. I was helping her move with a couple
of her friends. Please note: Imagine being a man in a room with 3 females
and they all have one thing in common. We all like women!
Ace
Orchid
> paul...@xoptushome.com.au (paul) wrote:
>
> >It seems to have the meaning of "bad", "poor" or "slack" and isn't
> >necessarily directed at a person (as in what a gay drop when you get a
> >cracked dagger). I don't think its really connected with homosexuality
> >in any way, except perhaps that in the eyes of young kids, gay (as in
> >homosexual) is an undesirable way to end up.
>
> *sigh* The origin of that particular use of the word does stem from
> the negative view of homosexuality and the word's connection with
> homosexuals. It's along the same vein of kids scalling each other
> "fag!" back and forth in an insult match...
C'mon Dark Tyger, it's okay to use a word as a synonym for stupid/lame
without insulting the people it refers to. I can see the value of Gabe
Morris's argument.
For instance, you might say:
I was visiting Charsi to get my equipment repaired and accidentally sold
my sword instead of repairing it! What an awfully Gabe thing to do! Doh!
;-)
Orchid
Dorian
>
>C'mon Dark Tyger, it's okay to use a word as a synonym for stupid/lame
>without insulting the people it refers to. I can see the value of Gabe
>Morris's argument.
It is not ok to use word that describes a group of people in a
negative way.
Your "example" holds no muster.
Blizzard is gay is equivalent to.
WHY IS BLIZZARD BEING SO MEXICAN WITH THIS PATCH.
THAT PATCH WAS SO AFRICAN AMERICAN THAT IM GONNA QUIT.
DAMN BLIZZARD WHYD YOU HAVE TO LATINO US LIKE THAT.
See where its going
None of those are appropriate, so why is the first in your mind?
Time Goddess
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> Just to move completely off-off-topic:
>
> I'd be inclined to alter this statement to "Animals (at least cats)
> certainly have free will, and are far more intelligent (read 'sly',
> 'cunning', 'other adjectives') than humans give them credit for."
>
> Anyway, we're only here because the mice are using us for experiments,
> right??
>
re-appeared.
Rast
bond...@nospam.home.nospam.com says...
> It is not ok to use word that describes a group of people in a
> negative way.
>
> Your "example" holds no muster.
>
>
> Blizzard is gay is equivalent to.
>
> WHY IS BLIZZARD BEING SO MEXICAN WITH THIS PATCH.
>
> THAT PATCH WAS SO AFRICAN AMERICAN THAT IM GONNA QUIT.
>
> DAMN BLIZZARD WHYD YOU HAVE TO LATINO US LIKE THAT.
I don't think most members of those ethnic groups would appreciate
the comparison between race and sexual orientation, or would agree
that discriminating against someone's behavior is equivalent to
discriminating against his skin color.
--
.
Dorian
>
>I don't think most members of those ethnic groups would appreciate
>the comparison between race and sexual orientation, or would agree
>that discriminating against someone's behavior is equivalent to
>discriminating against his skin color.
Takes a small minded bigot to say that.
Insulting someone based on their orientation is just as illegal as on
their race.
Pyrephox
>Insulting someone based on their orientation is just as illegal as on
>their race.
Depending on where you live, it actually isn't. Many states here in the USA
have vehemently resisted extending anti-discrimination laws to cover
homosexuals, transexuals, and transgendered individuals. Perhaps you meant that
discriminating against someone on their orientation is just as wrong as
discriminating based on race? That I agree with wholeheartedly.
Pyrephox
--
"Patriotism is largely pride, and very largely combativeness. Patriotism
generally has a chip on its shoulder."
- Charlotte Perkins Gilman
paul
Siebert) wrote:
>Hi Paul,
>
>>Is it such a bad thing that kids have a negative view of
>>homosexuality, if they have a view at all.
>
>Yes, it is.
>
>Just try to substitute some words in your post:
>replace homosexuality with Judaism (or "coloured population")
>replace gay with Jewish (or "black")
>Maybe "black" would be the better comparison, since "black is black"
>and "gay is gay", but a Jew could get a Catholic if he ever feels like
>that.
>
>Then you should realize how unreasonably dangerous your sentences are.
>
You've taken my point quite wrongly. I think it's human nature to have
a slightly negative view or distrust of things you don't understand.
This may or may not be the origin of the use of the term "gay" by
children to describe something poor or slack. Homosexuality isn't
really an issue with prepubescent kids anyway. The term is being used
to describe inanimate objects, actions, decisions, anything. Nothing
at all to do with either of the previous incarnations of the word.
I think its also human nature, especially in kids, to be cautious, if
you like, about something they know little about, and which is
different from the way they've been brought up. Your average 8 year
old, if he or she has even thought about it, does not want to grow up
to be "gay". Perfectly normal and natural. No slur on those who are.
They just don't understand it.
Now I'm pretty sure that any racial problems are pretty quickly dealt
with these days. It is unacceptable for kids even of primary school
age to vilify on the basis of race or religion.
My original points were more of the origins of the use of "gay" by
kids. That you can't and shouldn't stop grassroots evolution of
language. And that it really isn't offensive anyway (eye of the
beholder applies, I suppose). You cannot copyright words. This
particular word once had a certain meaning, then it took on a whole
new meaning, now it has taken on another new meaning again.
Finally, I don't think you understand children all that well. They do
tend to follow trends in the use of words and other things, but they
are quite capable of thinking up word usages all on their own. A child
has a much more creative and imaginative mind than an adult.
Anyway sorry if you took my opinions the wrong way.
paul
it
>stems from the word "negro", which literally just means "black", which is an
>acceptable term in most places today. Pretty soon, they're going to start
>calling Arnold Schwartzenegger a racist, because his last name translates to
>"blackblack"...
>
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>--
>
>
currently the subject of some argument. There are those who want to
change it.
It seems that some 200 or more years ago, the white British settlers
called it Blacks Town for reasons to do with its inhabitants skin
colour (odd since the entire continent at that time was inhabited by
black skinned people).
If they change it, it will surely be a triumph of political
correctness over sense.
paul
>When schoolchildren adopts a word commonly used to describe a segment
>of the population as a slur, it's a slur to that entire segment of the
>population.
>
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>
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>
kids here. It aint a slur at all. I'm kinda sad for you if the words
of small children give you problems.
Gabe Morris
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Dorian
wrote:
>
>So if it offends you, what do you do about it. We're talking little
>kids here. It aint a slur at all. I'm kinda sad for you if the words
>of small children give you problems.
>
>
>paul x is the spam filter
It IS a slur, and the more disturbing fact is that the little children
have been taught that it is ok.
What does that say about our society. *spits*
Gabe Morris
average as most here show they are) waste their time with games, if it wasnt
for blizzard we could have invented soo much more by now, but what the hell
its fun
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Rast
bond...@nospam.home.nospam.com says...
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:46:59 -0400, Rast <ras...@NOSPAMcs.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >I don't think most members of those ethnic groups would appreciate
> >the comparison between race and sexual orientation, or would agree
> >that discriminating against someone's behavior is equivalent to
> >discriminating against his skin color.
>
>
> Takes a small minded bigot to say that.
It must be fun to have a mindset that considers tossing insults the
same as argument. You call me a small minded bigot, so end of story,
no need to address what I wrote.
> Insulting someone based on their orientation is just as illegal as on
> their race.
Uhh.. insults weren't illegal last time I checked.
--
.
Pyrephox
>wow why do ya think it is soo many intellectuals (by that i mean above
>average as most here show they are) waste their time with games, if it wasnt
>for blizzard we could have invented soo much more by now, but what the hell
>its fun
I wouldn't call it wasting time. In my case, at least, I'd call it saving the
world from the Diablo 2 slash fanfiction that's been stuck in my head and that
I would otherwise be writing, if it were not for the fact that I'm playing this
game waaay too much.
Dark Tyger
Fine.
WHY IS BLIZZARD BEING SO JEWISH WITH THIS PATCH
THAT PATCH WAS SO AMMISH THAT IM GONNA QUIT
DAMN BLIZZARD WHYD YOU HAVE TO MUSLIM US LIKE THAT
Better? Although, your remark, I doubt, would hold true to any except
the most narrow-minded.
Dark Tyger
>>From: Dorian bond...@nospam.home.nospam.com
>
>>Insulting someone based on their orientation is just as illegal as on
>>their race.
>
>Depending on where you live, it actually isn't. Many states here in the USA
>have vehemently resisted extending anti-discrimination laws to cover
>homosexuals, transexuals, and transgendered individuals.
Only the moral majority...who, in fact, aren't really the majority,
but quite the contrary. It's just that the rest of us are too lazy to
go out and rally, protest, and vote...
Dark Tyger
>In article <HQs8Ozs63aHTTf...@4ax.com>,
>bond...@nospam.home.nospam.com says...
>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:46:59 -0400, Rast <ras...@NOSPAMcs.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I don't think most members of those ethnic groups would appreciate
>> >the comparison between race and sexual orientation, or would agree
>> >that discriminating against someone's behavior is equivalent to
>> >discriminating against his skin color.
>>
>>
>> Takes a small minded bigot to say that.
>
>It must be fun to have a mindset that considers tossing insults the
>same as argument. You call me a small minded bigot, so end of story,
>no need to address what I wrote.
No, he didn't address what you wrote because he feels it's futile to
argue with a bigot. So do I, but I'm a masochist, I guess.
Dark Tyger
So, what you're saying is, the word "nigger" when used by
schoolchildren wouldn't be a slur, either? Even if they know full well
the context it's taken in and the implications behind it?
Darrel Hoffman
> currently the subject of some argument. There are those who want to
> change it.
>
> It seems that some 200 or more years ago, the white British settlers
> called it Blacks Town for reasons to do with its inhabitants skin
> colour (odd since the entire continent at that time was inhabited by
> black skinned people).
>
> If they change it, it will surely be a triumph of political
> correctness over sense.
The difference there is that the word actually WAS named because of the race
of the people there at the time, while the word "history" has nothing
whatsoever to do with the word "his"... A closer analogy to the Blacktown
controversy would be the problems they've had lately with some of the
American sports teams, such as the Braves, the Indians, the Reds, the
Redskins... I can't think of any more, I never liked sports anyways. But
there is a move to change these names as they are considered offensive to
Native Americans. (Or is it Indigenous People now? My father's an
archaeologist who works directly with these people on a regular basis. You
know what word they use most often themselves? Indians.) I also recall
that during the cold war era, the Reds were forced to change their name
temporarily to the Redlegs, to avoid any implied connection to communism...
Crazy.
Blade
> look its quite obvious its exactly the same as callin a guy a girl, it
works
> cos most males who arent dont wanna be called gay
>
> and ask yourself this is homosexuality a state of mind, in that is it
> something which only becomes apparent when ppl are rich enough to think
> about it, so does homosexuality exist in third world countries and the
> animal kingdom ???
OMG....i've tought of your posts being semi-intelligent....up until this
one.
Blade
Rast
dark...@mindspring.com says...
> Rast <ras...@NOSPAMcs.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <HQs8Ozs63aHTTf...@4ax.com>,
> >bond...@nospam.home.nospam.com says...
> >> On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:46:59 -0400, Rast <ras...@NOSPAMcs.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I don't think most members of those ethnic groups would appreciate
> >> >the comparison between race and sexual orientation, or would agree
> >> >that discriminating against someone's behavior is equivalent to
> >> >discriminating against his skin color.
> >>
> >>
> >> Takes a small minded bigot to say that.
> >
> >It must be fun to have a mindset that considers tossing insults the
> >same as argument. You call me a small minded bigot, so end of story,
> >no need to address what I wrote.
>
> No, he didn't address what you wrote because he feels it's futile to
> argue with a bigot. So do I, but I'm a masochist, I guess.
It's easy to call me a bigot, harder to find any genuine bigotry in
what I wrote.
By the way, you aren't arguing either -- you're just name-calling.
You called me a bigot too, but didn't attempt to substantiate that,
or address what I wrote.
Looks like you're down to "argument by assertion". So let me make a
few assertions of my own:
1. Not everyone shares your values
2. Disagreeing with you doesn't automatically make someone else a
bigot.
--
.
Dark Tyger
>> No, he didn't address what you wrote because he feels it's futile to
>> argue with a bigot. So do I, but I'm a masochist, I guess.
>
>It's easy to call me a bigot, harder to find any genuine bigotry in
>what I wrote.
>
>By the way, you aren't arguing either -- you're just name-calling.
>You called me a bigot too, but didn't attempt to substantiate that,
>or address what I wrote.
Okay, here: You're arguing that sexuality is somehow "less wrong" to
discriminate against than race. That an entire race would take
exception to discrimination against gays being compared to
discrimination against them. Discrimination is discrimination. Period.
Better? Or are you going to continue trying to save face by
circumventing the point and attempting to discredit me.
Dorian
>
>Uhh.. insults weren't illegal last time I checked.
>
You havent chacked lately, they constitute hate crimes now, federally.
paul
>So, what you're saying is, the word "nigger" when used by
>schoolchildren wouldn't be a slur, either? Even if they know full well
>the context it's taken in and the implications behind it?
>
>--
>Dark Tyger, the slightly eccentric, railgun-toting kitty kat
>Change "mindspring.com" to "knology.net" to email
>=^..^=
>
>The night is my companion...solitude my guide.
>
perhaps because very few Afro-Americans live here. Some commercially
available products 30 or more years ago used the word (eg Nigger Boy
Steel Wool) but it was always more an Americanism. Native black
Australians were never called Niggers. The term "abo" (for aborigine)
was and still is in use here and may well be somewhat offensive
(Australian Aborigines sometimes call white folks "gubbers"). In
Australia we have/had the word "wog" which has a similar connotation
to "nigger", albeit a different ethnic group (generally Eurpoean or
Middle Eastern immigrants). It is also used to describe an illness,
such as the flu. It can also mean spit, or the act of spitting. I
don't really regard, nor I beleive do many people, the latter two uses
of the term to be a slur on European immigrants, who were the subject
of the former usage of the word (which could be a slur and which
offended many). A funny thing, we call the English "poms" or "pommies"
and they aren't bothered by it at all. Absolutely no suggestion of a
slur when that term is used.
It all depends on usage. That has been my point, even if I didn't
express it very well.
If some kid or bunch of kids is going around putting down gay people,
then that is unacceptable, and possibly unlawful as well. However, if
the same word has a different usage, that is quite different. Words in
the English language do have multiple usages.
paul
>The difference there is that the word actually WAS named because of the race
>of the people there at the time, while the word "history" has nothing
>whatsoever to do with the word "his"...
>
practices of the past. Can't believe anyone could be offended by
"history". Obviously they haven't discovered Diablo 2, and have
nothing better to pass their time.
Brian Trosko
>>Uhh.. insults weren't illegal last time I checked.
> You havent chacked lately, they constitute hate crimes now, federally.
Not unless they're associated with violent crime, they don't. Beat up a
black guy while yelling "Die, Nigger!" and it's a hate crime. Just
calling a black guy a nigger isn't.
Dorian
>
>
>Not unless they're associated with violent crime, they don't. Beat up a
>black guy while yelling "Die, Nigger!" and it's a hate crime. Just
>calling a black guy a nigger isn't.
Youd be surprised.
There are alot of federal crimes that are associated with just
speaking, and if the speech used is racially (among other
discriminations) it is indeed a felony, with "hate crime" attached to
it.