The Meph Rumors arent true....
Fito
leveling. Being a NYC principal, he now has the summer off to do as he
pleases ( I always tell him to get a real job. lol ). He decides to start
magic finding so I lend him my war travs, skullders, charms, etc. In under
two weeks of farming Meph, he has found:
Buriza-do Kyanon
Occulus
3 Bartucs
Skullders
Arreats
ViperSkin
Numerous other mid level uniques and charms.
Hmmmph! This is a guy who never checked chests, bypassed the council, and
thinks jewels arent worth picking up. Some people have all the luck.
Fito
feides
I am convinced that Bliz adjusts the drop rate of items based entirely on
the amount of users online. high traffic times the rate is low, when there
are less people on (early morning) the rates go up.
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Wow u read my mind ! Really some of my best drops have been in the wee hours
of the morning/night. Then again I expect for someone else to chime in on
how the best time for them is always in the middle of the day or afternoon.
xrongor
checking chests, killing the council, etc.. could have been spent killing
meph with much better results in terms of magic found?
his not checking chests, etc.. is the REASON he found so much good stuff.
ya think?
randy
Stephen van Ham
<nos...@nospam.org> oozed up out of the petri dish and said:
>Wow u read my mind ! Really some of my best drops have been in the wee hours
>of the morning/night. Then again I expect for someone else to chime in on
>how the best time for them is always in the middle of the day or afternoon.
Yes, I suspect they will, and did you know that you get better drops
from bosses if you dance around in a pink tutu?
Also remember that one person's middle of the day can be someone
else's morning. :-)
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Csákvári Bálint
meph... I think it's quite a nice one from a chest...
Oh, and yesterday evening after my growing bowazon finished NM Act 2, I
decided to do some Meph runs...
On about the 12th run a gold Russet Armor dropped... A very low end one
(161% enhanced defense), but anyway, my first one ever (it was offline
single player) :-)
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xrongor
never been questioned. the question involves where is your time best spent.
i mean the guy in real life who searches garbage cans will probably
eventually find a rolex watch or 10,000$ in cash, if he searches long and
hard enough. that doesnt mean its a good place to look.
randy
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Csákvári Bálint
You are right, chests are not the best place to look for good items, but you
can try.
There are several chests very near to Meph, so you won't loose too much time
if you open some of them sometimes - not always of course. And sometimes you
could be lucky - as I was.
If I know it right, MF applied to chests as well.
Regards,
Balint
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xrongor
isnt very often if im mf'ing. i just see many posts where people say theyve
done all these meph runs, cleared everything, every chest, and havent found
very much stuff. i think the reason is the extra monsters and the chests.
if your goal is more magic, i think you are wasting your time.
but ya know whats so funny... people have disected the game to the point
where we know so much about how so much works.. yet chests are still so much
of a mystery.. its fairly certain mf works on them, the other sites say as
much anyway, and i can see the difference when i put on the mf gear. but
nobody has any numbers about any of the chests in terms of what chests can
drop.
Csákvári Bálint
This is why I use a sorc for Hell Meph MF runs :-)
Just teleport through everything to Meph, kill him, and pick up stuff if
it's worth it.
Sometimes I open some chests too.
It's an intersting question what chests can drop...
It would be good to find out, but how if nobody has a clue? :-)
Cheers,
Balint
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Sjoerd
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> Yes I do, don't worry.
> You are right, chests are not the best place to look for good items, but
you
> can try.
> There are several chests very near to Meph, so you won't loose too much
time
> if you open some of them sometimes - not always of course. And sometimes
you
> could be lucky - as I was.
> If I know it right, MF applied to chests as well.
Yes, MF is applied to chests. The problem is that chests have a very high
chance (over 75%) of not dropping anything, and when something does drop,
it's normally from a very low treasure class. So MF will help get rares,
sets and uniques from chests, but they will be crap. Ofcourse, there's
usually about 3 chests very close to mephy which can quickly be opened, but
people who consistently open every single chest/barrel on Durance lvl 2+3
could spend their time a lot better.
Sjoerd
Romendacil
"xrongor" <nomor...@eatme.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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> well, my basic theory is i look in chests that are convenient, which
really
> isnt very often if im mf'ing. i just see many posts where people say
theyve
> done all these meph runs, cleared everything, every chest, and havent
found
> very much stuff. i think the reason is the extra monsters and the chests.
> if your goal is more magic, i think you are wasting your time.
>
> but ya know whats so funny... people have disected the game to the point
> where we know so much about how so much works.. yet chests are still so
much
> of a mystery.. its fairly certain mf works on them, the other sites say
as
> much anyway, and i can see the difference when i put on the mf gear. but
> nobody has any numbers about any of the chests in terms of what chests can
> drop.
>
> randy
>
Chest drops are based on the "level" of that particular level you are in.
The maximum ilvl of an item is the same as the level of the level.. Now we
just need to figure out what the levels are for different levels. As in what
is the level of hell durance 3, or hell keep 3 or hell cows.
I have my own little theory about that, but it needs more testing before I
can publicise my theory..
Regards Romendacil
Michael Vondung
<tro...@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote:
>Chest drops are based on the "level" of that particular level you are in.
>The maximum ilvl of an item is the same as the level of the level.. Now we
>just need to figure out what the levels are for different levels. As in what
>is the level of hell durance 3, or hell keep 3 or hell cows.
I should do some testing with my assassin. Join full games, run
through the keep loaded with MF gear, mindblast everything in sight,
and open all tombs without killing monsters. Actually, I'm going to do
that tonight.
-M.
Mike Graham
My best "meph" drops have been from the chest behind him (Herald) and
the armor stand next to him (Skullders) *Shrug*
Mike Graham
Ingo Jankowski
> Yes, MF is applied to chests. The problem is that chests have a very high
> chance (over 75%) of not dropping anything, and when something does drop,
> it's normally from a very low treasure class. So MF will help get rares,
> sets and uniques from chests, but they will be crap. Ofcourse, there's
> usually about 3 chests very close to mephy which can quickly be opened, but
> people who consistently open every single chest/barrel on Durance lvl 2+3
> could spend their time a lot better.
Depends what you're looking for. As an amazon, rare gloves can be godly
no matter what quality of glove the attributes are on. Or Rings! I think
I found more unique rings from chests and the councillors down there,
than from Meph.
xrongor
this, the chest directly behind meph drops (if nothing else) drops MORE
stuff than regular chests on the same level. possibly drops better also,
but i have no statistical info to back it up and the "more" also indirectly
translates into "better" so its hard to isolate the two. other chests that
are "always there" also seem to drop better than your run of the mill
randomly placed chests. then there are gold chests, bodies, baskets, hidden
stashes, hanging corpses, etc......
i dont see a "unified" chest theory that doesnt involve that info. <g>
and it still should all be right there in the game. chests open in single
player so the code is there.. just need someone to hack it!
randy
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xrongor
"best"? sure you like skulders, and some pally loves that herald, but what
about the tclass of the other items you have dropped. balista is very low
tclass and is great item. my point is that what you like and want doesnt
necessarily mean "better drop". do you see what im saying? its just dumb
luck that the russet armor turned gold instead of something else in the same
tclass that you didnt really want so much. and it still doesnt mean chests
are a good place to look...
i would bet if you had kept track you would find that more "better" items
have actually dropped from meph. but thats just my theory...
randy
Mike Graham
Chests and racks that are on your way to the kill are good places to
look, they take up a few seconds of your time and can drop well .. is
that a hard concept to follow or something?
BTW .. "sure you like Skullders" .. can I see a show of hands here ..
who would walk away from a Skully drop, raising your nose in the air "I
don't like that" ?? Pretty much everyone on BNet likes Skullders ..
its not just me.
Mike Graham
short
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I HATE Skullders!. Oh wait, thats cuz I haven't found one yet ;)
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Stephen van Ham
oozed up out of the petri dish and said:
>I HATE Skullders!. Oh wait, thats cuz I haven't found one yet ;)
Move over short, there's only so much room by this stash, and I don't
like having your elbow sticking in my ribs.
short
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> On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:49:24 -0400, "short" <sho...@zoominternet.net>
> oozed up out of the petri dish and said:
>
> >I HATE Skullders!. Oh wait, thats cuz I haven't found one yet ;)
>
> Move over short, there's only so much room by this stash, and I don't
> like having your elbow sticking in my ribs.
>
>
>
Actually, you can have the skullders, as soon as I get a Gaze and Shaftstop
Stephen van Ham
oozed up out of the petri dish and said:
>> Move over short, there's only so much room by this stash, and I don't
>> like having your elbow sticking in my ribs.
>AAAHH No way, ME FIRST!
>Actually, you can have the skullders, as soon as I get a Gaze and Shaftstop
>;)
Would you settle for another Titan's Revenge? (Meph dropped one
yesterday)
short
> On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:13:06 -0400, "short" <sho...@zoominternet.net>
> oozed up out of the petri dish and said:
>
> >> Move over short, there's only so much room by this stash, and I don't
> >> like having your elbow sticking in my ribs.
>
> >AAAHH No way, ME FIRST!
>
> >Actually, you can have the skullders, as soon as I get a Gaze and
Shaftstop
> >;)
>
> Would you settle for another Titan's Revenge? (Meph dropped one
> yesterday)
>
Sjoerd
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> well, based on my informal testing, and i think everyone will agree with
> this, the chest directly behind meph drops (if nothing else) drops MORE
> stuff than regular chests on the same level. possibly drops better also,
> but i have no statistical info to back it up and the "more" also
indirectly
> translates into "better" so its hard to isolate the two. other chests
that
> are "always there" also seem to drop better than your run of the mill
> randomly placed chests. then there are gold chests, bodies, baskets,
hidden
> stashes, hanging corpses, etc......
>
> i dont see a "unified" chest theory that doesnt involve that info. <g>
>
> and it still should all be right there in the game. chests open in single
> player so the code is there.. just need someone to hack it!
I'll reply to this message with the content of lvlmaze.txt (which can be
extracted from D2_patch.mpq). It's the only info I've found which seems
relevant.
I think it refers to the golden chests, including a lvl (a bit high maybe?).
Also, it includes 2 chests labelled Act3 Mephisto. Maybe this means there
are really two 'big' chests down there. Not sure about any of this though.
I'd be interested in other peoples thoughts about this.
Sjoerd
Sjoerd
Name Level Rooms SizeX SizeY Merge Beta
Act 1 - Cave 1 8 1 24 24 500 1
Act 1 - Cave 2 9 4 24 24 500 1
Act 1 - Cave 3 10 6 24 24 500 1
Act 1 - Cave 4 11 4 24 24 500 1
Act 1 - Cave 5 12 4 24 24 500 1
Act 1 - Cave 1 Treasure #REF! 1 24 24 0 1
Act 1 - Cave 2 Treasure 13 1 24 24 0 1
Act 1 - Cave 3 Treasure 14 1 24 24 0 1
Act 1 - Cave 4 Treasure 15 1 24 24 0 1
Act 1 - Cave 5 Treasure 16 1 24 24 0 1
Act 1 - Crypt 1 A 18 12 8 8 500 1
Act 1 - Crypt 2 A 19 12 8 8 500 1
Act 1 - Crypt 3 A 21 6 8 8 500 1
Act 1 - Crypt 3 B 22 6 8 8 500 1
Act 1 - Crypt 3 C 23 6 8 8 500 1
Act 1 - Crypt 3 D 24 6 8 8 500 1
Act 1 - Crypt 3 E 25 6 8 8 500 1
Act 1 - Barracks 28 10 10 14 500 1
Act 1 - Jail 1 29 12 12 12 500 1
Act 1 - Jail 2 30 14 12 12 500 1
Act 1 - Jail 3 31 16 12 12 500 1
Act 1 - Catacombs 1 34 12 12 12 500 1
Act 1 - Catacombs 2 35 14 12 12 500 1
Act 1 - Catacombs 3 36 16 12 12 500 1
Act 1 - Catacombs 4 37 18 12 12 500 1
Act 2 - Sewer 1 47 6 12 12 500 0
Act 2 - Sewer 2 48 12 12 12 500 0
Act 2 - Sewer 3 49 14 12 12 500 0
Act 2 - Corrupt Harem 1 51 4 16 16 1000 0
Act 2 - Basement 1 52 4 16 16 1000 0
Act 2 - Basement 2 53 4 16 16 1000 0
Act 2 - Basement 3 54 4 16 16 1000 0
Act 2 - Tomb 1 A 55 4 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Tomb 2 A 56 6 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Tomb 2 B 57 6 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Tomb 3 A 58 12 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Tomb 1 Treasure 59 4 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Tomb 2 Treasure 60 6 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Tomb 3 Treasure 61 6 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Lair 1 A 62 18 10 10 500 0
Act 2 - Lair 1 B 63 14 10 10 500 0
Act 2 - Lair 1 Treasure 64 10 10 10 500 0
Act 2 - Sewer 4 65 10 12 12 500 0
Act 2 - Tomb Tal 1 66 6 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Tomb Tal 2 67 6 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Tomb Tal 3 68 6 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Tomb Tal 4 69 6 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Tomb Tal 5 70 6 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Tomb Tal 6 71 6 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Tomb Tal 7 72 6 16 16 500 0
Act 2 - Arcane 74 61 12 12 1000 0
Act 3 - Spider 1 84 4 16 16 500 0
Act 3 - Spider 2 85 4 16 16 500 0
Act 3 - Dungeon 1 A 86 4 14 14 500 0
Act 3 - Dungeon 1 B 87 4 14 14 500 0
Act 3 - Dungeon 2 A 88 4 14 14 500 0
Act 3 - Dungeon 2 B 89 4 14 14 500 0
Act 3 - Dungeon 1 Treasure 90 4 14 14 500 0
Act 3 - Dungeon 2 Treasure 91 4 14 14 500 0
Act 3 - Sewer 1 92 32 12 12 800 0
Act 3 - Sewer 2 93 6 12 12 800 0
Act 3 - Mephisto 1 100 10 12 12 500 0
Act 3 - Mephisto 2 101 12 12 12 500 0
Act 4 - Lava 1 107 6 24 24 500 0
Expansion
Act 5 - Ice Caves 1 113 10 16 16 500 0
Act 5 - Ice Caves 2 115 10 16 16 500 0
Act 5 - Ice Caves 3 118 15 16 16 500 0
Act 5 - Ice Caves 1A 114 1 64 64 500 0
Act 5 - Ice Caves 2A 116 1 32 32 500 0
Act 5 - Ice Caves 3A 119 1 32 32 500 0
Act 5 - Temple 1 122 4 40 40 500 0
Act 5 - Temple 2 123 4 40 40 500 0
Act 5 - Hell 1 125 3 24 24 500 0
Act 5 - Hell 2 126 3 24 24 500 0
Act 5 - Hell 3 127 3 24 24 500 0
Act 5 - Baal 1 128 9 16 16 500 0
Act 5 - Baal 1 129 9 16 16 500 0
Act 5 - Baal 1 130 9 16 16 500 0
Act 5 - Baal 1 132 9 16 16 500 0
Sorry for the bad formatting, but i dont feel like making it all kinda fit.
Sjoerd
Sjoerd
"Stephen van Ham" <sva...@paradise.net.nz> schreef in bericht
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> On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:49:24 -0400, "short" <sho...@zoominternet.net>
> oozed up out of the petri dish and said:
>
> >I HATE Skullders!. Oh wait, thats cuz I haven't found one yet ;)
I just don't like the name. Reminds me of Scully and the time the X-files
were fun to watch.
Sjoerd
xrongor
have a small chance of dropping anything, or at least have high treasure
classes, if thats how it works, and i suspect it is. catapults in hell
"can" drop anything, but rarely drop high level.
the first thing i notice is that the header shows 7 elements (from "name" to
"beta") yet the list seems to have 8 elements per entry. are you sure thats
the right header?
as a guess, the chest right behind mephisto appears to be the best of the
bunch, that may be "mephisto 2" and then there are the other "always there"
chests and they may be of type "mephisto 1". type mephisto 2 had higher
numbers so thats why i ordered it that way. this is totally a guess. i
have no clue what im talking about <g>
randy
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xrongor (nomor...@eatme.com) says...
> "Sjoerd" <sjoerdREM...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > As promised:
> >
> > Name Level Rooms SizeX SizeY Merge Beta
> > Act 1 - Cave 1 8 1 24 24 500 1
>
> "beta") yet the list seems to have 8 elements per entry. are you sure thats
> the right header?
If you look at in the form below, you'll see that it works (Note: you
will need fixed width fonts to see this):
Name Level Rooms SizeX SizeY Merge Beta
Act 1 - Cave 1 8 1 24 24 500 1
Presumably Act 1 - Cave 1 gives the stats for the chest in the Hole (or
whatever the Den turns into once you've completed the Den of Evil
quest).
Though interestingly enough, the chest in the sublevel off the Frozen
Highlands is "better" (using the same theory as xrongor) than the ones
in the subsequent areas off the Drifter Cavern, etc, despite them being
further on.
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The closest I came to perfection was when I wrote my Resume.
xrongor
> > > Act 1 - Cave 1 8 1 24 24 500 1
> >
> > the first thing i notice is that the header shows 7 elements (from
"name" to
> > "beta") yet the list seems to have 8 elements per entry. are you sure
thats
> > the right header?
>
> If you look at in the form below, you'll see that it works (Note: you
> will need fixed width fonts to see this):
> Name Level Rooms SizeX SizeY Merge Beta
> Act 1 - Cave 1 8 1 24 24 500 1
stupid me.. i counted the 1 as in "cave 1" as a different element.. my bad..
Donald Shepherd
nomor...@eatme.com says...
I did too, until I counted backwards from the righthand side. :)
Ingo Jankowski
> as a guess, the chest right behind mephisto appears to be the best of the
> bunch, that may be "mephisto 2" and then there are the other "always there"
> chests and they may be of type "mephisto 1". type mephisto 2 had higher
> numbers so thats why i ordered it that way. this is totally a guess. i
> have no clue what im talking about <g>
The chest behind Mephisto was better once than it is now. It used to
drop really good, but I gave up on it - when doing MF runs including
Meph, I open *all* the chests that I find. Of all the "always there"
chests I believe the two on the left and right of Meph drop best now,
followed by the ones near Wyand and Maffer.
tcells
Donald Shepherd wrote in message ...
when mf *did* effect chests the best in the game were the special one in
blood moor, the special one in Kurast and the one in the halls of pain, and
meph's chest.
deve8uk
just doing the boss vs killing everything and checking chests.
I personaly find that I can fit in 7 runs with just the boss agains the boss
and everything else. This in my mind makes for a better potential of getting
stuff. It just equates in my mind to the boss has more chance of dropping
stuff, and if i do loads very fast this has gota be better than doing
everyting slowly
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