Duplicate Items
Mark
Hey, I posted this a few days ago and didn't get any takers. Can someone
please help me out?
Thanks-
Mark
Mark <m...@stargate.net> wrote in message
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> High All-
>
> I've had some seemingly strange things happen to me while I've been
playing
> over the last few weeks, and I'd thought that I'd ask the collective to
> share their wisdom.
>
> Apparently there is some kind of bug where you can duplicate items. I have
> no interest in knowing how to do this, but can it be done accidentally?
>
> Playing my sorcerer recently, I generally go to Adria and fill everything
up
> with blues, then leave about half of them outside the TP for future use.
> While on a recent adventure I was finding a lot of staves, and instead of
> piling them up I'd sell them each trip up. And when I did I stocked up on
> more blues. So I built up a pretty big pile of 'em (maybe 40-50). Well,
when
> I went to drop some more into this pile I got a 'Duplicate item detected.
> Duplicate item destroyed.' message. And sure enough each time I'd drop a
> potion, another one was destroyed. Can anyone explain this?
>
> Another incident while adventuring on another day. I found 2 Obsidian
Rings
> (+39% All) on the same level. And on the very next dungeon level I found 2
> of the exact same unique Club weapon (forget what it was exactly as I sold
> each immediately). In each case I left the dungeon and ID'ed the item,
then
> found the second when I returned to the level. Is this just the funny
> coincidence of random numbers, or is there something else?
>
> My character is currently wearing one of the Obsidian Rings, and is
carrying
> the other in the pack (It's worth a lot of $). I have no experience with
> these scanner things, but if I take this character into a public game will
I
> be accused of being a cheater?
>
> Thanks-
>
> Mark
> GrooTheCleaver - Warrior 33
> BongoFury - Sorcerer 33
>
>
The Ace Man
potions. There is a bug in the game the will duplicate items. But if you
just buy or find items, then it's the game's fault.
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"Mark" <m...@stargate.net> wrote in message
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Paladijn
>Hi-
>
>Hey, I posted this a few days ago and didn't get any takers. Can someone
>please help me out?
my newsserver didn't catch it.. then again, it doesn't catch alot of posts
lately :(
>> I've had some seemingly strange things happen to me while I've been playing
>> over the last few weeks, and I'd thought that I'd ask the collective to
>> share their wisdom.
>>
>> Apparently there is some kind of bug where you can duplicate items. I have
>> no interest in knowing how to do this, but can it be done accidentally?
Yes, all to often.. usually when picking up gold and refilling your belt
in a laggy situation.
<snipz>
>> I went to drop some more into this pile I got a 'Duplicate item detected.
>> Duplicate item destroyed.' message. And sure enough each time I'd drop a
>> potion, another one was destroyed. Can anyone explain this?
Manapotions have a short ID# range, which may lead to game-caused dupes,
same applies to other potions, IIRC scrolls and gold piles.
>>
>> Another incident while adventuring on another day. I found 2 Obsidian
>Rings
>> (+39% All) on the same level. And on the very next dungeon level I found 2
>> of the exact same unique Club weapon (forget what it was exactly as I sold
>> each immediately). In each case I left the dungeon and ID'ed the item,
>then
>> found the second when I returned to the level. Is this just the funny
>> coincidence of random numbers, or is there something else?
gamebug again :( IIRC they aren't seen as dupe since they have varying
ID#'s, but alike stats.
>>
>> My character is currently wearing one of the Obsidian Rings, and is
>carrying
>> the other in the pack (It's worth a lot of $). I have no experience with
>> these scanner things, but if I take this character into a public game will
>I
>> be accused of being a cheater?
For the mana potions, probably ;)
Then again, such people should learn to look what the dupe/hack is.. if
you walk around with some hacked rags I tend to blame the scanner ;)
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moe SAINT EverGreen
Paladijn <paladijn_N...@unforgettable.com> wrote:
> Then again, such people should learn to look what the dupe/hack is..
if
> you walk around with some hacked rags I tend to blame the scanner ;)
> --
> Regards,
> paladijn
Did you know the megadrop hack (I tested it recently)
creates items that look like hacks about 50% of the time?
(This is because it always results in items marked as lying on floor
rather than dropped by monsters/chests,
but it doesn't make sure that the item level is even.)
This means that, especially in the lower levels,
it often creates hacked rags..
which the other players in the same game,
can mistakenly pick up and wear.
p.s. and yep, duping items can happen accidentally,
especially in the heat of battle..
click click killing monsters picking up items using potions..
Ugh! I didn't mean to pick that up!
"duplicate item detected"..
what?
"Hey you cheater! *!*@# this is a legit game, get out!!"
No, really it was an accident..
"Get out! ok, fine, i don't play with cheaters"
[strict-legit just left game]
but, but..
Adria and the Healer commonly dupe potions,
and occasionally gold.
Now you know where Wirt learned it.
And there is a new bug in Diablo v1.07
that shows bogus duplicate item detected message
even when there aren't any other players in the game.
Often the bogus messages don't show to other players
if there are in others in the game.
And oh, that sure gets players riled..
"Hey, whose duping"
What do you mean?
"it said duplicate item destroyed"
It didn't say that on my screen.
"that cause u probably duped something, cheater"
[strict-legit just left game]
but but..
pps. recently updated diablosaver/sight's internal dupelist.
seeya,
moe.
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Before you buy.
Mickey
My problem is that I have so many good items, and tend to play in public
games a lot. This causes people to dupe my inv items, and before long,
they arrive on someones commong dupe list :(....
BTW.... How about them Bucs :)
Mickey - Right down the road from ya in Sarasota :)
Paladijn
>In article <bxakONwPV=J7W9GyYQS...@4ax.com>,
> Paladijn <paladijn_N...@unforgettable.com> wrote:
>> Then again, such people should learn to look what the dupe/hack is..
>if
>> you walk around with some hacked rags I tend to blame the scanner ;)
>> --
>> Regards,
>> paladijn
>
>Did you know the megadrop hack (I tested it recently)
>creates items that look like hacks about 50% of the time?
Yep, at least, it was reported somewhere over a year ago ;)
>This means that, especially in the lower levels,
>it often creates hacked rags..
>
>which the other players in the same game,
>can mistakenly pick up and wear.
highly unlikely if you're using the megadrops hack to find top-of-the-line
stuff... I never use rags f.i.
>
>p.s. and yep, duping items can happen accidentally,
>especially in the heat of battle..
>
>click click killing monsters picking up items using potions..
>Ugh! I didn't mean to pick that up!
Actually I tend to make jokes as "evul cheater" if this occurs... You'll
notice soon enough wether or not this person is cheating. A long time ago
(still in 1.07) I dropped some spare equip at adria, including a windforce
I had just found... someone using DSight spotted it duped on me (was still
in equip on his comp apparently...) which is why I added the "Blame the
viewer" line, the probable cause is an error in his memory not showing my
equip right ;)
>And there is a new bug in Diablo v1.07
>that shows bogus duplicate item detected message
>even when there aren't any other players in the game.
That's new to me ;)
Anyway, if someone would want to dupe items, why not do it prior to
entering LEGIT-ONLY marked games? It's kinda silly doing so, which is why
I tend to joke around about it... especially with people I know.
>pps. recently updated diablosaver/sight's internal dupelist.
>
hmpf, noticed you marked my list as "less reliable" together with another
list that doesn't keep count of the amount of times the item was spotted,
I added the counter to make it "appear" more reliable, so if you could add
a line regarding that on your page, it would be appreciated.
moe SAINT EverGreen
> >pps. recently updated diablosaver/sight's internal dupelist.
> >
> hmpf, noticed you marked my list as "less reliable" together with
another
> list that doesn't keep count of the amount of times the item was
spotted,
> I added the counter to make it "appear" more reliable, so if you
could add
> a line regarding that on your page, it would be appreciated.
Heh, well..
But if it only "appears" more reliable, then is it really more reliable?
Actually, in my latest list, I added actual names of people who used
the items, and I compiled the list very recently,
mostly using a recent list of logs,
and I plan on updating it again in a week or two.
As for your list,
I have received numerous complaints from people using it,
both from people that thought it was wrong,
and also from others asking me to replace mine with it.
(I referred them to you, so I didn't keep notes.)
As much as we have gotten along ok,
I really don't know you (nor you me, really),
so I certainly can't vouch for your list over anyone else's.
Perhaps you should add a line to your website link,
about the accuracy of your list.
But, in any case, people have been taking to using either list
as a reason to badger other people,
and I think people making their own list
might not use us as some divine authority.
I'm only being honest when I say I don't trust your list:
I don't trust it, because I make my own..
so I know exactly where my info came from, and I can trust that.
Other people have to make their own decisions about it.
Heh.. just like you're only being honest when you
say, on your own page,
that diablosaver's fixhacks does more harm than good..
That's your opinion, and I wouldn't try to get you to change it.
I have had several people telling me any dupe list
does more harm than good, too.
And the ? pack dupes ? warning may do more harm than good, too.
I've recently been thinking about encrypting parts of it,
and parts of the log, too, to prevent duping,
(and changing the pack dupes warning.)
Of course.. there are much easier ways to dupe, import/export, etc,
and even item stealing trainers, and other duping hacks,
like the new pseudo autokill in town hack, which causes all
your equip items to get duped and dropped next to wherever you stand.
have fun,
moe SAINT EverGreen
> I added the counter to make it "appear" more reliable, so if you
could add
> a line regarding that on your page, it would be appreciated.
Have you updated your list recently?
If so, I will update my webpage with the new date.
And I can also put your list before the new guy's list,
on my link page, if you like.
Do you want me to link directly to the file,
or to your website instead?
Post the link you prefer here, and I will change it to that.
Do you know of legit guild's that require your list?
I could say, in the download description,
something like.. used by many legit guilds.. or some such..
or tracking dupes since 1998 (or whatever date)..
I mean, I think people should use MY list, of course.. heh..
but I think you've been doing this longer than the newer guy.
Seeya,
Paladijn
>
>> >pps. recently updated diablosaver/sight's internal dupelist.
>> >
>> hmpf, noticed you marked my list as "less reliable" together with another
>> list that doesn't keep count of the amount of times the item was spotted,
>> I added the counter to make it "appear" more reliable, so if you could add
>> a line regarding that on your page, it would be appreciated.
>
>Heh, well..
>
>But if it only "appears" more reliable, then is it really more reliable?
There were several items I marked as duped of which I didn't have the logs
anymore, hence "appear". Btw, I can't recall this for sure, but wasn't it
possible to make a comment line by not starting it by a number?
In that case you could refer to the file for more info and add some
disclaimers there.
>
>Actually, in my latest list, I added actual names of people who used
>the items,
I noticed and couldn't really see the use of it ;) Are you going to add
all those 100+names of the ppl that had an obs of zod? :)
>and I compiled the list very recently, mostly using a recent list of logs,
>and I plan on updating it again in a week or two.
That was my initial idea as well, but I rarely played publics after a
month or so after the release.
>
>As for your list,
>I have received numerous complaints from people using it,
>both from people that thought it was wrong,
>and also from others asking me to replace mine with it.
>(I referred them to you, so I didn't keep notes.)
I haven't received any mail regarding it :(
If you receive them again, please forward them as well.
As for replacing yours, my list is based upon your list with my own
additions to it... of course, if you're to lazy to click a seperate link
to a *small* zip-file... ;)
>
>As much as we have gotten along ok,
>I really don't know you (nor you me, really),
Depends on how much you cloak of your own reality, no? :)
>so I certainly can't vouch for your list over anyone else's.
I consider keeping count a bit more reliable, hence the remark, maybe I'll
make a seperate page with some more info on the programs and extended
list. If I do, I'll send you the link.
>
>Perhaps you should add a line to your website link,
>about the accuracy of your list.
>
>But, in any case, people have been taking to using either list
>as a reason to badger other people,
>and I think people making their own list
>might not use us as some divine authority.
Which will always be a problem :( Perhaps you could make a page with some
guidelines for using DSight and the list(s).
>
>I'm only being honest when I say I don't trust your list:
>I don't trust it, because I make my own..
And mine consists of yours with some added ;p
IIRC there were only 6-7 items not on your new list.
>so I know exactly where my info came from, and I can trust that.
>Other people have to make their own decisions about it.
Yep, aso note that I made my extended list back then since I thought your
list was way to small (seeing the new size it was ;p).
>
>Heh.. just like you're only being honest when you say, on your own page,
>that diablosaver's fixhacks does more harm than good..
>
>That's your opinion, and I wouldn't try to get you to change it.
You're free to try, that's what opinions are for ;)
f.i. You asked us if we wanted the hack removed over a year ago and
removed it from DSight afterwards.
>
>I have had several people telling me any dupe list
>does more harm than good, too.
>And the ? pack dupes ? warning may do more harm than good, too.
>
If used in the wrong way, yes...
Many people don't look what appears as hack/dupe but immidiatly call that
person a cheater, which is why I added the idea of a "guideline page"
above.
>I've recently been thinking about encrypting parts of it,
>and parts of the log, too, to prevent duping,
>(and changing the pack dupes warning.)
>
>Of course.. there are much easier ways to dupe, import/export, etc,
>and even item stealing trainers, and other duping hacks,
Ineed, so there shouldn't be a need for that.
>like the new pseudo autokill in town hack, which causes all
>your equip items to get duped and dropped next to wherever you stand.
>
Ouch, too bad my naked mage doesn't carry equip ;p
Paladijn
>
>> I added the counter to make it "appear" more reliable, so if you
>could add
>> a line regarding that on your page, it would be appreciated.
>
>Have you updated your list recently?
>If so, I will update my webpage with the new date.
I will this afternoon (once I finish AGD/some promo stuff at uni and some
programming on hades ;).
>
>And I can also put your list before the new guy's list,
>on my link page, if you like.
>
>Do you want me to link directly to the file,
>or to your website instead?
I think I'll make a seperate page with some guidelines for using DSight
and the list (as pointed out in my other reply). Let me know if you're
planning to add a guidelines page as well so we can combine the ideas.
>
>Post the link you prefer here, and I will change it to that.
>
>Do you know of legit guild's that require your list?
I know of at least one guild that uses it, but many legit guilds have a
ban on DSight and other scanners to prevent problems with accusations
(remember you mailed me about a guy? ;) However, many of those guilds (at
least 3 I know of ;) use a list with hacked items and common dupes with
just the stats listed, or just let their "security team" use scanners
(including trainers after which they compare itm files they have on their
HD... kinda hypocrite IMO :)
>
>I could say, in the download description,
>something like.. used by many legit guilds.. or some such..
>or tracking dupes since 1998 (or whatever date)..
Just remove the
- Don't simply trust these other diablodupes.ini files.
- Anyone could accidentally list legit items as dupes.
lines ;) and replace them with a reference email/website
"if problems occur with *THESE* lists contact
mailto:yadda@yadda&subject=extended dupelist" etc.
That way the people can go for "full" reliability with your list or have
some extra duped items added by the other lists.
Though the lists should be mostly the same in the first place, with some
rarer "common" dupes added to extended lists, at least... that's what I
had in mind when I made my own list.
>
>I mean, I think people should use MY list, of course.. heh..
of course ;p btw, DSight still has the fix from 1.07.14 listed in it's
description...
>but I think you've been doing this longer than the newer guy.
>
I'll mail you when I've added the page, IMO that would be the best
solution... do you want to receive an email every time the page is
updated?
moe SAINT EverGreen
> I think I'll make a seperate page with some guidelines for using DSight
> and the list (as pointed out in my other reply). Let me know if you're
> planning to add a guidelines page as well so we can combine the ideas.
Thats a good idea, I'm not sure when I'll get around to it.
I want to make a program that automates the process first.
My personal guideline is 10+ users of identical items,
never items that must always also be hacks (like no godly full plates)
not counting multiple identical dupes in somebody's inventory
with a level code of 18/58/D8 and up, except for adria's apoc/aa staffs.
I may take it down to 5+ items,
as finding 10+ can be hard work at first,
and make the original log used to compile the list
available for download (with all non-dupes removed, of course).
For instance, this last time around I combined two logs,
one over a two day period recently,
with one over a couple of weeks from back before I put names in the log,
because I couldn't get even 3+ on some items that I had 10+ on before.
However, I plan on doing some more logging so I don't have to use that
older list at all.
i think the dupe list itself actually encourages cheaters
to seek out new powerful items not yet on the list.
> Just remove the
> - Don't simply trust these other diablodupes.ini files.
> - Anyone could accidentally list legit items as dupes.
> lines ;) and replace them with a reference email/website
> "if problems occur with *THESE* lists contact
> mailto:yadda@yadda&subject=extended dupelist" etc.
I will think about how I might reword it to be nice for us both.
> of course ;p btw, DSight still has the fix from 1.07.14 listed in it's
> description...
yes.. I have that fix listed because I still occasionally get people
using the old one complaining about the bug.
A lot of people have old versions of my scanner/saver on their web pages.
> I'll mail you when I've added the page, IMO that would be the best
> solution... do you want to receive an email every time the page is
> updated?
Not necessary, but you may if you like, and I will update my date.
Please do mail me when you have added the page, though.
seeya,
moe.
Pedro Faria / Jarulf
<moe...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Seeya,
>moe.
Hi Moe,
I noted that your data file explaining the item data structure and
even more the player structure lacks entries and explanations for some
parts (many parts for character data). Would you be interested in
information about it? I still have a few unknown ones for the
character though.
--
Pedro Faria
Jarulf's Guide to Diablo and Hellfire
http://pf.chemeng.lth.se/diablo/
Dalai Lama
>especially in the heat of battle..
>
>click click killing monsters picking up items using potions..
>Ugh! I didn't mean to pick that up!
Not sure exactly what happened, but during the scramble of battle, my monk went
to grab a potion on the ground and somehow opened my inventory (probably trying
to down potion number 8, since #7 and number * are usually reserved for full
mana) and hit "i" key instead. Anyhow, my inventory opened and an unidentfied
full plate (AC ~70 something) turned into a full mana. *Sob*.
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