OT: THE ART OF NEGOTIATION
Mickey
Mickey
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The Prime Minister of Israel sits down with Arafat at the beginning of
negotiations regarding the resolution of the conflict. The Prime Minister
requests that he be allowed to begin with a story. Arafat replies, "Of
course."
The Prime Minister begins his story: "Years before the Israelites came to
the Promised Land and settled here, Moses led them for 40 years through the
desert. The Israelites began complaining that they were thirsty and, lo and
behold, a miracle occurred and a stream appeared before them. They drank
their fill and then decided to take advantage of the stream to do some
bathing -- including Moses. When Moses came out of the water, he found that
all his clothing was missing.
"Who took my clothes?" Moses asked those around him.
"It was the Palestinians," replied the Israelites--"
"Wait a minute," objected Arafat immediately, "there were no Palestinians
during the time of Moses!"
"All right," replies the Prime Minister, "Now that we've got that settled,
let's begin our negotiations
Bill
AM:
> This really made me laugh, so I thought I'd share it with you.
>
> Mickey
[snip]
> "Who took my clothes?" Moses asked those around him.
>
> "It was the Palestinians," replied the Israelites--"
>
> "Wait a minute," objected Arafat immediately, "there were no Palestinians
> during the time of Moses!"
>
> "All right," replies the Prime Minister, "Now that we've got that settled,
> let's begin our negotiations
lol
That was probably the only matter they agreed to.
I wish I could believe a few people could put an end to a millennium of
violence, but somehow I doubt it.
It only takes a few to start a war, it takes everyone to prevent one.
wildBill
USEast HC
Virtual Den
"Mickey" <mic...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Unfortunatly, no real negociations are possible with Israel. Israel is
responsible for all this "shit" and with the inconditional support from the
USA. We can thank the UN (weak organisation) for the pressure put on the USA
that finally put some pressure on Israel.
VD
Mickey
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You are completely clueless. Israel is as responsible for this as you are
for the Sept 11th bombings. A nation has an inherent right to protect
itself, and Arafat, the PLO and the arab world as a whole have made clear
that their intentions to destroy Israel. Not that they ever could, as they
are a bunch of bungling idiots, who with 200 times the population of Israel
and 1 million times the financial resources, have only magaed to get their
incomptent asses kicked every time. They want land to which they have no
claim, not which they will ever get.
Mickey
Zamboni
> You are completely clueless. Israel is as responsible for this as you are
> for the Sept 11th bombings. A nation has an inherent right to protect
> itself, and Arafat, the PLO and the arab world as a whole have made clear
> that their intentions to destroy Israel. Not that they ever could, as they
> are a bunch of bungling idiots, who with 200 times the population of
Israel
> and 1 million times the financial resources, have only magaed to get their
> incomptent asses kicked every time. They want land to which they have no
> claim, not which they will ever get.
>
They've been offered the West Bank a few times, but keep refusing. Kind of
hard to negotiate with someone who stomps away every time you give them what
they ask for.
Dave Ryan
Oh shit I forgot the can opener. This could be ugly.
-dave
Wait, this isn't isn't repeatedly.thoroughly.flame.mickey What's
going on lately?
Bill
>> Unfortunatly, no real negociations are possible with Israel. Israel is
>> responsible for all this "shit" and with the inconditional support from
> the
>> USA. We can thank the UN (weak organisation) for the pressure put on the
> USA
>> that finally put some pressure on Israel.
>
> You are completely clueless. Israel is as responsible for this as you are
> for the Sept 11th bombings. A nation has an inherent right to protect
> itself, and Arafat, the PLO and the arab world as a whole have made clear
> that their intentions to destroy Israel. Not that they ever could, as they
> are a bunch of bungling idiots, who with 200 times the population of Israel
> and 1 million times the financial resources, have only magaed to get their
> incomptent asses kicked every time.
ummm... well not that I have a side in this but as far as fact is concerned,
Israel mainly gets its support, especially military from us... the US.
Their F16 fighter bombers are not exactly an Israeli invention.
regardless, I'd rather discuss here how bad Baal is and not Bush.
Ever see Baal do that thing with the fire and stuff? You know what I mean,
that thing. The swirly thing. Whats that called again?
O and btw my new java Cowacide is back up to 80.
:-)
wildBill
USEast HC
Mickey
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Nothing that hasn't gone on here for 5 years.... only the antagonists
change.
Mickey
Mickey
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Especially when it was never theirs to begin with.... at the risk of
starting something that will take a while to end, allow me to educate:
A. There has NEVER been a country called palestine (note the small 'p'), nor
has there ever been a time (prior to the idiocy of the British) when arabs
controled that land. That land, and the land that is now called Jordan are
both part of what has been the country of Israel since WELL before the birth
of Christ. The romans conquered Judea and help it ( as both the roman
empire, and the holy roman empire) until the 1600, when they were over run
by the Ottamans (Turks, not to be confused with the arabs they dispise). The
Ottoamans were finally defeated as part of WWI, and the league of nations
devided their land up, giving what was Israel to the British as a
protectorate.
B. In 1947, jewish leader appraoched their arab counterparts and asked for
help in removing the British. They were rebuffed, and so set out to do it
themselves. A year later, they were successful, albeit only to a point, as
the Brits saw fit to partition what had been, for over 5000 years, the
NATION of Israel. They were at least smart enough to realize that 3 entities
now occupied that area. To the christian arabs, they gave Lebanon, to the
jews, the gave Israel, and to the arbas (read palestinians), they gave the
largest and most fertile land, Jordan. Those arabs immediately ceded
control of Jordan to the Hashemite kings, and proclaimed they had no
homeland and attacked Israel before they could even hold elections. They
were thrashed.
C. To call what is goin on in the disputed areas genocide displays not only
a unique brand of stupidity, but is quite indicative of anti-jewish
sentiment. Firstly, abdout 50 arabs gunmen were killed in Janin. Secondly,
there are 2 million arabs in Israel, and 400 million in the world, in which
case should Israel kill all the arabs within it's border (an idea NOT
without merit, at this point), it would still not come remotely close to
genocide. HOWEVER (yup, even fit one in here), the arab suuport for the
total destruction of the state of Israel, in combination Arafat's, bin
Laden's, and Hussein's call for arabs to kill jews whenever and wherever
they can, does quallify.
D: The world has, once again, turned anti-jewish. No, it isn't a popular
thing to say, but it is, sadly, the truth. Just have a look:
1. The court in Belguim indicted Ariel Sharon for complicity in a murder
that allegely took place during the 1967 6 day war. He wasn't accused of
murder, but of failing to stop one. Yassir Arafat, otoh, has never been
indicted for anything.
2. The E.U. has passed sanctions against Israel (not that any gov't therein
will actually do it) for their recent attempts to root out terrorists. They
have not yet found ANY reason to impose sanctions on the PLO.
3. The head of the Noble committee stated that he now regrets giving the
Peace Prize to Shimom Peres. They seem fine with the choice of giving one to
Arafat.
4. In France, where anti-semitism (or jew hating, more specifically) is a
national sport (See the nationalization of banks and the near
nationalization of the wine industry for details), they are burning
synygogues.
5. Even His Holiness has seen fit to stick his long proboscas in and
denounce Israel. One would think he might have taken this opportunity to
make ammends, in some small way, for the enormous part the Vatican played in
the Holocaust. Failing that, he could have just kept his mouth shut. Then
again, the church has never condemed the killing of jews (see Crusades, and
the Holocaus for details).
Educationally yours,
Mickey
Daniel Zinsli
> You are completely clueless.
Yay, lets feed the trolls.
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Daniel Zinsli
Bergen, Norway
Mickey
news:B8F6FC93.322D1%mets...@bellatlantic.net...
>
> >> Unfortunatly, no real negociations are possible with Israel. Israel is
> >> responsible for all this "shit" and with the inconditional support from
> > the
> >> USA. We can thank the UN (weak organisation) for the pressure put on
the
> > USA
> >> that finally put some pressure on Israel.
> >
> > You are completely clueless. Israel is as responsible for this as you
are
> > for the Sept 11th bombings. A nation has an inherent right to protect
> > itself, and Arafat, the PLO and the arab world as a whole have made
clear
> > that their intentions to destroy Israel. Not that they ever could, as
they
> > are a bunch of bungling idiots, who with 200 times the population of
Israel
> > and 1 million times the financial resources, have only magaed to get
their
> > incomptent asses kicked every time.
>
> ummm... well not that I have a side in this but as far as fact is
concerned,
> Israel mainly gets its support, especially military from us... the US.
> Their F16 fighter bombers are not exactly an Israeli invention.
Yes, Israel gets 3 billion a year from the US in aid.... about 25% of what
the US gives to the PLO, Egypt and Jordan. Moreover, the US used Israel as a
means of testing it's technology against Soviet tech for 35 years during the
cold war. The US always new that Soviet missles couldn't shoot down American
planes, as the Syrians spent a generation trying.
Mickey
Virtual Den
No Arab countries can attack Israel now. Most of Arab countries are in good
terms with USA like Egypt, South Arabia, Pakistan and even Syria are talking
peace with Israel. Ok Arab countries declared the war in the past and lost
but was it justified? The creation of Israel (so that Britain can continue
to have a view over the region) has cause the displacement and killing of
many Palestinians. Lets forget about the past as Israel is here to stay and
lets see now.
The problem is that Israel wants the land point! In 1993 there was the Oslo
accord and for the first time Palestinian recognized Israel as a state. The
funny part is that while Israel was giving the autonomy of many places to
the Palestinian a little slower than it was supposed to be, they were at the
same time continuing the colonization of new Palestinian territories.
Colonization means that Israeli go in an area with the army and buldozers to
clean all the Palestinian houses or olives culture (water is scarce so they
take the better lands) and Palestinians have no choice to move in refugee
camps which Israel hate so much while they created them. Frustrated kids
throwed rocks at the army in frustration (it was not yet the antifada) and
were getting shot. With all the propaganda; "The Palestinian did not want
the deal!" Incredible as we can still heard about this right now that it was
the Palestinian fault!
Now we are in 2002 and most of Arab countries (I think but one) are ready to
recognize Israel in exchange for a Palestinian state and the retreat from
occupied territories. It would be simple to create it right now. Israel is
scared for its security after the creation of the state? Does the security
of the Israel civilians have ever been so bad and giving hope to the
Palestinian population to live a more normal life would aggravate it? Well
if all the Arabs countries are ready to recognize Israel, would it be more
secure? Do you think that a Palestinian state could defeat Israel which has
the most powerful army in the area and one comparable to the Brtitain army?
Israel is scared for its security (terrorist) but will not even allow any UN
forces to go in the region! Bullshit!
Here a deal! Create the Palestinian state with UN army in the region. If
there are new terrorist attacks, now Israel would be justified to reply. It
will not happen because Israel wants to grab slowly the land. I do not know
about USA but there are a long time that we do not believe no more the
propaganda of Israel in the western countries.
VD
Virtual Den
The joke is "We gave them the moon". Well it was a quarter moon! Now explain
to me the colonization of new territories while talking peace after the OSLO
accord. Stop listening to the propaganda and do some search on the Internet!
VD
Virtual Den
> "Zamboni" <zam...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:aarvvj$1no$1...@nntp1-cm.news.eni.net...
> >
> > "Mickey" <mic...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:aarvdj$d905d$1...@ID-134767.news.dfncis.de...
nor
> has there ever been a time (prior to the idiocy of the British) when arabs
> controled that land. That land, and the land that is now called Jordan are
> both part of what has been the country of Israel since WELL before the
birth
> of Christ. The romans conquered Judea and help it ( as both the roman
> empire, and the holy roman empire) until the 1600, when they were over run
> by the Ottamans (Turks, not to be confused with the arabs they dispise).
The
> Ottoamans were finally defeated as part of WWI, and the league of nations
Forget the old stories that happened a thousand years ago. Thinking as you
do USA and Canada should give all the lands to the native Indians.
> devided their land up, giving what was Israel to the British as a
> protectorate.
You said what was Israel??? It was not Israel it was the palestine with a
small "p".
> B. In 1947, jewish leader appraoched their arab counterparts and asked for
> help in removing the British.
Huh! You must be kidding?
> They were rebuffed, and so set out to do it
> themselves. A year later, they were successful, albeit only to a point, as
> the Brits saw fit to partition what had been, for over 5000 years, the
> NATION of Israel. They were at least smart enough to realize that 3
entities
> now occupied that area. To the christian arabs, they gave Lebanon, to the
> jews, the gave Israel, and to the arbas (read palestinians), they gave the
> largest and most fertile land, Jordan. Those arabs immediately ceded
> control of Jordan to the Hashemite kings, and proclaimed they had no
> homeland and attacked Israel before they could even hold elections. They
> were thrashed.
There were never a nation of Israel and the Brits separate the territories
with the approval of UN. Israel was created to have an ally in the territory
that were under their control. In fact both Jews and Arabs were living
together and it is us the Western countries that created all this "shit".
> Snip
Anyway, enough of this bullshit. Every time someone denounce Israel, it is
always the same story! You are antisemite! Well i am an atheist so I do not
care about any religions. The racist are the Jews who call other people
antisemite when they do not like what they heard. I want to be clear that
not all the Jews are racist. There are a lot of Jews who actually are for
the real peace and will denounce Israel.
VD
Virtual Den
A flame? It was a reply to a not very funny joke.
VD
John Sessoms
>
>
> Unfortunatly, no real negociations are possible with Israel. Israel is
> responsible for all this "shit"
Yeah, it's all them Israeli suicide bombers that's to blame.
Asshole.
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All opinions expressed are uniquely my own. Ain't nobody else to
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Virtual Den
"John Sessoms" <no....@no.where.invalid> wrote in message
news:3CD1A68C...@no.where.invalid...
> Virtual Den wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > Unfortunatly, no real negociations are possible with Israel. Israel is
> > responsible for all this "shit"
>
> Yeah, it's all them Israeli suicide bombers that's to blame.
>
> Asshole.
I do not say that suicide bombing is a nice thing to do but it is the only
way they found to defend themselves. How about buying the Palestinians
tanks, copters and planes so that they can do a clean killing of civilians
like the Israel army does for so many years? Israel is the oppressor and the
killing of innocent civilians is as bad whether it is a suicidal bombing or
an attack from an army. There was a protestation in Italy in favor of the
Palestinian, some days later an Italian journalist was murdered but an
Israel soldier. They have many good snipers and they kill who ever they
want. You do not play with this army believe me!
VD
flame_thrower
: You are completely clueless. Israel is as responsible for this as you are
:
:
Mickey
Maybe not funny to you, but funny to me, and in any case, the truth.
Mickey
Mickey
>
> "Mickey" <mic...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:aas1e9$d10hv$1...@ID-134767.news.dfncis.de...
> > "Zamboni" <zam...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:aarvvj$1no$1...@nntp1-cm.news.eni.net...
> > >
> > > "Mickey" <mic...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:aarvdj$d905d$1...@ID-134767.news.dfncis.de...
> > A. There has NEVER been a country called palestine (note the small 'p'),
> nor
> > has there ever been a time (prior to the idiocy of the British) when
arabs
> > controled that land. That land, and the land that is now called Jordan
are
> > both part of what has been the country of Israel since WELL before the
> birth
> > of Christ. The romans conquered Judea and help it ( as both the roman
> > empire, and the holy roman empire) until the 1600, when they were over
run
> > by the Ottamans (Turks, not to be confused with the arabs they dispise).
> The
> > Ottoamans were finally defeated as part of WWI, and the league of
nations
>
> Forget the old stories that happened a thousand years ago. Thinking as you
> do USA and Canada should give all the lands to the native Indians.
ALL? You call a piece of land 1/2 the New jewsey ALL the land? And btw, the
American's and canadians have given the native americans a lot more land
than what is now Israel. Next ignorant point please.
>
> > devided their land up, giving what was Israel to the British as a
> > protectorate.
>
> You said what was Israel??? It was not Israel it was the palestine with a
> small "p".
Only in the eyes of the British. Palestine never existed prior to 1921 and
the British takeover.
>
>
> > B. In 1947, jewish leader appraoched their arab counterparts and asked
for
> > help in removing the British.
>
> Huh! You must be kidding?
No, I am not kidding in the least. Prior to that day, we had no problems
with arabs there. Learn your history, or stop making idiot replies. Either
works.
>
> > They were rebuffed, and so set out to do it
> > themselves. A year later, they were successful, albeit only to a point,
as
> > the Brits saw fit to partition what had been, for over 5000 years, the
> > NATION of Israel. They were at least smart enough to realize that 3
> entities
> > now occupied that area. To the christian arabs, they gave Lebanon, to
the
> > jews, the gave Israel, and to the arbas (read palestinians), they gave
the
> > largest and most fertile land, Jordan. Those arabs immediately ceded
> > control of Jordan to the Hashemite kings, and proclaimed they had no
> > homeland and attacked Israel before they could even hold elections. They
> > were thrashed.
>
> There were never a nation of Israel and the Brits separate the territories
What the fuck are you talking about? Israel existed as a nation for over
2000 years. Are you now saying there was never a Tibet, because the Chinese
have occupied it? Talk sense or STFU.
> with the approval of UN. Israel was created to have an ally in the
territory
> that were under their control. In fact both Jews and Arabs were living
> together and it is us the Western countries that created all this "shit".
Youa re a funcking moron, and the more you type, the more evident it
becomes.
>
> > Snip
>
> Anyway, enough of this bullshit. Every time someone denounce Israel, it is
> always the same story! You are antisemite! Well i am an atheist so I do
not
> care about any religions. The racist are the Jews who call other people
> antisemite when they do not like what they heard. I want to be clear that
> not all the Jews are racist. There are a lot of Jews who actually are for
> the real peace and will denounce Israel.
Thank you for playing todays game. The nice thing about making a post like
this is that once it serves to help you identify all the complete fools (and
in this case, bigots) who have found there way here since the last such
post.
*plonk*
Mickey
Mickey
news:3CD1A68C...@no.where.invalid...
> >
>
> >
> > Unfortunatly, no real negociations are possible with Israel. Israel is
> > responsible for all this "shit"
>
> Yeah, it's all them Israeli suicide bombers that's to blame.
>
> Asshole.
Yes, and now you know it.... once in a while, it's a good thing to beat the
bushes for idiots. I knew it was time when I looked at my killfile and
noticed no newcomers. This to me is always a sign that there hasn't been
anything sharp enough to bring out the asshole in assholes. This one is SO
pro-arab that he is eitehr an arab, or a frenchman.
Mickey
short
"Virtual Den" <noS...@noSpam.com> wrote in message
Suicide bombings are the only way they have to defend themselves? For one,
blowing up your own ass all over 300 people while they are attempting to buy
dinner is NOT self defense. I'm sure that life in palestine might be hard,
and the conditions difficult to deal with etc, but there is no excuse.
If you feel that the suicide bombings are justified, do you also believe
that the attacks on the US were also justified? If you look close enough,
you might find that some the motives aren't too far apart. I "might" be
able to see your point if the palestinians ONLY targeted the military
checkpoints and installation, but it seems to me they try and avoid them
most of the time, and go straight for the defenseless civilians eating
dinner, going to the markets, etc.
And I'm sure taping a bomb to yourself couldn't be the most logical way to
go about it. What good do those people that just blew themselves to a smear
think they accomplished? Surely they can't think "Hey, if I blow myself up
along with 30 Isrealis, then they'll let us have what we're trying to take.
More likely is something along the lines of "Hey, if I blow myself up along
with 30 Isrealis, then we'll be 30 Isreali's closer to what we REALLY want.
I'm not saying that I agree with every tactic that Israel has ever used to
deal with the palestinians, but considering the long term goals of
"whatshisname" and his followers, I think they have been over generous, and
(publicly at least) way too forgiving. If I lived in a country where I was
under constant threat of they guy standing in line behind me to
spontaneously explode, I would be signing up to become one of those "good
snipers" myself.
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Blade
Fuck you.
Unless of course you mean France french.
Blade ;-)
Mickey
news:ud3got2...@corp.supernews.com...
Yes, of course I do. The french (as in France) have been, are and always
will be the most anti-jewish people in europe. Mind you, this comes from the
child of a holocaust survivor. The frnech nationalize the banking industry
soley for the purpose of getting their hands on the Rothschild bank, and
actually considered doing the same to the wine industry, as it eats them
alive that the most famous maker of their most famous product is a jew.
Mickey
Blade
Alright....I'll let it go...THIS time...but I'm keeping my hockey stick in
arms reach!
Blade
Virtual Den
Idiot reply lol, there were already so much tension between the Jews and
Arabs because of the huge immigration of Jews in the area. The state of
Israel was about to be created and the Arab did not like the idea at all. Ok
lets say they asked but lol!
> > > They were rebuffed, and so set out to do it
> > > themselves. A year later, they were successful, albeit only to a
point,
> as
> > > the Brits saw fit to partition what had been, for over 5000 years, the
> > > NATION of Israel. They were at least smart enough to realize that 3
> > entities
> > > now occupied that area. To the christian arabs, they gave Lebanon, to
> the
> > > jews, the gave Israel, and to the arbas (read palestinians), they gave
> the
> > > largest and most fertile land, Jordan. Those arabs immediately ceded
> > > control of Jordan to the Hashemite kings, and proclaimed they had no
> > > homeland and attacked Israel before they could even hold elections.
They
> > > were thrashed.
> >
> > There were never a nation of Israel and the Brits separate the
territories
>
> What the fuck are you talking about? Israel existed as a nation for over
> 2000 years. Are you now saying there was never a Tibet, because the
Chinese
> have occupied it? Talk sense or STFU.
Ok my mistake, I meant there was "no Israel nation at this time" and I do
not talk about a thousand years ago! Now what about 4 thousand years ago? If
you should separate all the frontier because 1 thousand year ago they
existed, all the countries would have some big problems.
I will not continue to argue with you it is pointless anyway! Insulting,
arrogant and I can understand that you love Israel but obviously you are a
very sick man!
VD
Virtual Den
I know I am plonk! He already knows I am French speaking and I am not
pro-arab. I am just for a little bit of justice and do not listen to all the
propaganda. Obviously this guy has a lot of problems in his head!
VD
Jyrriah
NEWSGROUP!!??!?!?
C'mon, people. We came here to talk games, not world politics.
Get of the soap box and start killing demons and undead creatures.
ME
Blade
news:eUjA8.190$L4.5...@news1.iquest.net...
Well...soon maybe...but not right now. I'm currently fed up with LoD and
still havent decided if I'm giving it up totaly or will get back into it a
bit later.
--
Blade
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Mickey
> > > Unless of course you mean France french.
> >
> > Yes, of course I do. The french (as in France) have been, are and always
> > will be the most anti-jewish people in europe. Mind you, this comes from
> the
> > child of a holocaust survivor. The frnech nationalize the banking
industry
> > soley for the purpose of getting their hands on the Rothschild bank, and
> > actually considered doing the same to the wine industry, as it eats them
> > alive that the most famous maker of their most famous product is a jew.
>
> Alright....I'll let it go...THIS time...but I'm keeping my hockey stick in
> arms reach!
Nah, you know me better than that... the only group I hate has a rule is
bigots. Other than that, I takes em as I gets em and I calls em as I sees
em. That having been said, I'd still bet $50 and a cuban cigar that the
little moron is either an arab or a frenchman, as his hatred shows like a
waving flag.
Mickey
short
bastards on the way to Baal.
Mickey
I posted a joke, which has been done here since day 1. The fact that one jew
hating anti-social bigot decided to make a deal of it may not be on topic,
but it sure is nice to know the assholes from those worth coresponding with.
In this case, I found a new entry for my recently neglected killfile.
Mickey
Mickey
> "Jyrriah" <jyr...@qmix.net> wrote in message
> news:eUjA8.190$L4.5...@news1.iquest.net...
> > Am I the only one who thinks that this topic is in the WRONG
> > NEWSGROUP!!??!?!?
> >
> > C'mon, people. We came here to talk games, not world politics.
> >
> > Get of the soap box and start killing demons and undead creatures.
>
> Well...soon maybe...but not right now. I'm currently fed up with LoD and
> still havent decided if I'm giving it up totaly or will get back into it a
> bit later.
That's it? One lvl 89, and an 87 and some 4 day old chars and you're calling
it quits? Bah, no balls for the long haul...
Mickey - And he says *I'm* old? pshaw
Purple
audacity to state the following:
> The joke is "We gave them the moon". Well it was a quarter moon! Now
> explain to me the colonization of new territories while talking peace
> after the OSLO accord. Stop listening to the propaganda and do some
> search on the Internet!
You *are* an idiot.
--
Purple
"Cogito ergo coito."
Virtual Den
"short" <sho...@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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Although I do not support the suicide bombing, you actually understand my
points. Some Palestinians decided to become these suicide bombers which are
the same as Israel snipper killers for the same reasons you elaborate, the
safety of the civilian women and children. You would be ready to become one
of them so you justify it?
VD
Blade
> "Blade" <blade...@isys.ca> wrote in message
> news:ud3jgsd...@corp.supernews.com...
> > "Jyrriah" <jyr...@qmix.net> wrote in message
> > news:eUjA8.190$L4.5...@news1.iquest.net...
> > > Am I the only one who thinks that this topic is in the WRONG
> > > NEWSGROUP!!??!?!?
> > >
> > > C'mon, people. We came here to talk games, not world politics.
> > >
> > > Get of the soap box and start killing demons and undead creatures.
> >
> > Well...soon maybe...but not right now. I'm currently fed up with LoD and
> > still havent decided if I'm giving it up totaly or will get back into it
a
> > bit later.
>
> That's it? One lvl 89, and an 87 and some 4 day old chars and you're
calling
> it quits? Bah, no balls for the long haul...
4 days old by your standards...but some of us do have a life :)
> Mickey - And he says *I'm* old? pshaw
You are ... old cranky fucking geezer...
Blade
Purple
audacity to state the following:
>
> my points. Some Palestinians decided to become these suicide bombers
> which are the same as Israel snipper killers for the same reasons you
> elaborate, the safety of the civilian women and children. You would be
> ready to become one of them so you justify it?
Maybe you should stop listening to Palestinian propaganda.
Mickey
Yes, I do, whereas you fuck around all day in the store, and used to play 10
times as much as you worked.... remember, I used to play on east :)
>
> > Mickey - And he says *I'm* old? pshaw
>
> You are ... old cranky fucking geezer...
Yeah, but I still look better than you :)
Mickey
Virtual Den
From my killfile, I am French Canadian and I have nothing to do with the
political view of French from France as we are North american and beside the
language, we do not have a lot in common. He decided in his sick mind to
turn it in a Jew racist thing but in fact it is an Israel thing. It would be
the same for me if the people involved were Catholic or Protestant. Btw
saying that all French from France are racist can just show that he is in
fact the racist. For my part, it is my last post on the subject! This guy
has a huge problem in his head!
VD
Mufasa
Not that I have any intentions of touching this discussion with a 1000 foot
war pike(cruel of quickness only please :) ) but in his last post, which you
didn't see I'm sure since you killed him, he admitted to being French. So
you gonna share that cigar?
Blade
Hah! You exagerate! ;-)
> > > Mickey - And he says *I'm* old? pshaw
> >
> > You are ... old cranky fucking geezer...
>
> Yeah, but I still look better than you :)
Says who? :)
Blade
Mickey
Boomer :)
Mickey - MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Mickey
news:cqkA8.101870$sI3.23...@news02.optonline.net...
Sure thing.... if there is one thing everyone here knows by know is that I
am generous to a fault. Now I am sure someone will pipe up and say that I
knew this beforehand, but they will be as wrong as he is. Actually, I would
have leaned more towards him being an arab, as he is truly quoting the PLO
party line.
Mickey
Tekonus
"Virtual Den" <noS...@noSpam.com> wrote in message
How many times are you going to say he "has problems in his head"... I've
read this entire thread so far and I've seen you say it at least 4 times.
> VD
>
>
>
>
Blade
Hah...in your dreams maybe...but let's not go to that scary place ok?
Blade
Mickey
>
> Hah...in your dreams maybe...but let's not go to that scary place ok?
Or in your nightmares :o)
Mickey
Mickey
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>
> >
>
> How many times are you going to say he "has problems in his head"... I've
> read this entire thread so far and I've seen you say it at least 4 times.
the last refuge of a bigot?
Mickey
Blade
Good point ;-)
Blade
short
"Virtual Den" <noS...@noSpam.com> wrote in message
palestine/Israel conflict by any means, but I certainly don't recall any
snipers targeting women and children just for the fun of it. I do recall
them RETALIATING, but I think thats a little different, at least to my way
of thinking.
And no, I don't understand your points at all, being that they make no sense
and are groundless. Suicide bombings in a marketplace aren't really in my
definition of war, but if you list it under Terrorism, I believe it fits.
To quote Mickey (I hope you don't mind) "the arab suuport for the total
destruction of the state of Israel, in combination Arafat's, bin Laden's,
and Hussein's call for arabs to kill jews whenever and wherever they can",
has more to do with it than just a simple "give us our land, that wasn't
ours to have in the first place".
short
tcells
Mickey wrote in message ...
>This really made me laugh, so I thought I'd share it with you.
>
>Mickey
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>----------------------
>
oh boy are you in trouble!
A couple of doors down from us in the press gallery is the office of Jewish
News. I sent this on to a journo there - a real gentleman, and the laughing
fit it triggered just about made him choke!
dmo
<snip>
> Educationally yours,
>
> Mickey
I would diffidently suggest that this 'educational' piece contains
sufficient errors to warrant research from other independent sources.
dmo
tcells
short wrote in message <3cd1bf9c$1...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
>
snip
>>
>>
>I tried my best to stay out of this, but couldn't take it anymore.
>Suicide bombings are the only way they have to defend themselves
I'd suggest that you all see a documentary which was done in a similar vein
to the BBC seven up series, if you get the chance. Unfortunately I can't
remember it's name.
It follows the lives of both jewish and Palestinian children. In the first
program the children are very much against the whole mess, some are quite
passionate about how they will or their generation will stop it. As their
lives develop these ideals are changed and eaten into by events hostile to
them, in some cases their families, or their countrymen as well as more
radical elements and peer pressure.
It is truely sad, but it poignantly shows that there is now no right or
wrong side (if there ever really was) and provides no answers to a realistic
way of ending it.
tcells
Jyrriah wrote in message ...
You need understand that threads like this are a time honoured custom of
agd. They are good for blowing out cobwebs, and just ditching the yap about
D for a while. You can always choose to ignore the thread if you find it
unpleasant or not something which you want to spend your time reading
short
"tcells" <tce...@Xcapmon.com> wrote in message
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I live where I do, thats for sure.
There is also an article in TIME? magazine, about 2 young girls, one
happened to be a suicide bomber. Makes you wonder how different your life
could be if you just happened to be born somewhere else.
I definitely wasn't trying to say which side was right or wrong, but that I
think there would have to be a better way to "defend yourself" than taping
explosives to your chest.
To help people better understand my rant............................
I am originally from Oklahoma City, and was there when the Murrah building
was bombed. My best friend and I were members of the Red Cross and got
paged to go down and help out. They only let us volunteers (at least those
of us in high school) in the area on the first day, but that was more than
enough for me. And knowing several people that worked in that building, I
have a very low tolerance for bombings of civilian buildings of any kind.
Especially if there are children involved. I have a son that lives in
Oklahoma City with my Ex, and I have never seen him.......due to getting
screwed by the court system but that is a story that is just way to hard to
tell. Anyway, any acts of violence concerning little kids REALLY PISSES ME
OFF. I don't care who/how/why its done, there is no justification for it.
Period.
So guys and gals, those are just my personal reasons for not liking
bombs.........now back to regularly scheduled programming
Anyone want to help me kill Andariel tonight on US East HC?
short
tcells
short wrote in message <3cd1f...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
>
>"tcells" <tce...@Xcapmon.com> wrote in message
>news:NTmA8.29$iG1....@vicpull1.telstra.net...
>>
>> short wrote in message <3cd1bf9c$1...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
>> >
>>
>> snip
>>
snip
>
>To help people better understand my rant............................
I wasn't replying directly on what you had to say as such. It just seemed
like a good spot to slip it in
>I am originally from Oklahoma City, and was there when the Murrah building
>was bombed. My best friend and I were members of the Red Cross and got
>paged to go down and help out. They only let us volunteers (at least those
>of us in high school) in the area on the first day,
surprises the hell out of me that they'd even let school aged children near
such an event.
but that was more than
>enough for me. And knowing several people that worked in that building, I
>have a very low tolerance for bombings of civilian buildings of any kind.
>Especially if there are children involved. I have a son that lives in
>Oklahoma City with my Ex, and I have never seen him.......due to getting
>screwed by the court system but that is a story that is just way to hard to
>tell. Anyway, any acts of violence concerning little kids REALLY PISSES ME
>OFF. I don't care who/how/why its done, there is no justification for it.
>Period.
yes I totally agree with that have have a definite lack of tolerance for
anyone who finds humour in such things. Sad about your kid, having had a
similar experience all that I can say is that after you spend a lot of money
and persevere longer than you ever thought you could, things might change.
>
>So guys and gals, those are just my personal reasons for not liking
>bombs.........now back to regularly scheduled programming
>
>Anyone want to help me kill Andariel tonight on US East HC?
>
heh
short
"tcells" <tce...@Xcapmon.com> wrote in message
>
> short wrote in message <3cd1f...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> >
> >"tcells" <tce...@Xcapmon.com> wrote in message
> >news:NTmA8.29$iG1....@vicpull1.telstra.net...
> >>
> >> short wrote in message <3cd1bf9c$1...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
> >> >
> >>
> >> snip
> >>
>
> snip
>
>
> >
> >To help people better understand my rant............................
>
> I wasn't replying directly on what you had to say as such. It just seemed
> like a good spot to slip it in
>
explaining myself bugs me =)
> >I am originally from Oklahoma City, and was there when the Murrah
building
> >was bombed. My best friend and I were members of the Red Cross and got
> >paged to go down and help out. They only let us volunteers (at least
those
> >of us in high school) in the area on the first day,
>
> surprises the hell out of me that they'd even let school aged children
near
> such an event.
>
Well........we were both almost 17..........and we kinda snuck in. Thats
why we couldn't go back, they realized we were a tad bit young. We and
several others were there for just under 19 hours.
I've never been in a war, and after that I thought I would never have the
desire......but I would gladly sign up tomorrow for our little "War on
Terror" if they'd let me.
> but that was more than
> >enough for me. And knowing several people that worked in that building,
I
> >have a very low tolerance for bombings of civilian buildings of any kind.
> >Especially if there are children involved. I have a son that lives in
> >Oklahoma City with my Ex, and I have never seen him.......due to getting
> >screwed by the court system but that is a story that is just way to hard
to
> >tell. Anyway, any acts of violence concerning little kids REALLY PISSES
ME
> >OFF. I don't care who/how/why its done, there is no justification for
it.
> >Period.
>
> yes I totally agree with that have have a definite lack of tolerance for
> anyone who finds humour in such things. Sad about your kid, having had a
> similar experience all that I can say is that after you spend a lot of
money
> and persevere longer than you ever thought you could, things might change.
>
> >
I'm hangin in there......but it sucks big time.
> >So guys and gals, those are just my personal reasons for not liking
> >bombs.........now back to regularly scheduled programming
> >
> >Anyone want to help me kill Andariel tonight on US East HC?
> >
>
> heh
>
>
Purple
audacity to state the following:
> racist can just show that he is in fact the racist.
1. Much like saying that all Israelites are racist against Arabs, eh?
2. The French, last I checked, were a nationality, not a race.
Piker
"tcells" <tce...@Xcapmon.com> wrote in message
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>
agreement is not likely to ever occur. Some of the same thoughts have been
demonstrated quite poignantly in this thread. For example, as long as there
are people who continue to address "Arabs", "Jews", and even "Frenchmen" as
if they were some sort collective consciousness acting as one and not
individuals with varying degrees of education, personal tragedy, and reason,
there will always be a self-righteous "right" and "wrong" in the eyes of the
observer. There has been so much collateral damage in all of this, that, as
tragically pointed out in the documentary, "right" and "wrong" does not even
matter to the people that perpetuate this. There is just pure hatred and
anger on both sides. If we were not such a fruitful nation we could easily
be in the same mess. Fortunately, we have the resources to educate even the
poorest of our society, and the wealth to placate our population.
-Piker
Piker
"tcells" <tce...@Xcapmon.com> wrote in message
Cool. Based on that can I start a thread about whether adg or agd2 is
better? ; )
-Piker
tcells
Piker wrote in message ...
sure, I think we had one not too long ago though. How about the viability of
steam cars vs electric cars?
;)
Piker
"tcells" <tce...@Xcapmon.com> wrote in message
I know; I started it. Caused a big mess... =)
>How about the viability of steam cars vs electric cars?
Didn't they make an engine that runs on potatos, too?
-Piker
Mika Vastamaa
> This really made me laugh, so I thought I'd share it with you.
>
> Mickey
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> ----------------------
>
> negotiations regarding the resolution of the conflict. The Prime Minister
> requests that he be allowed to begin with a story. Arafat replies, "Of
> course."
>
> The Prime Minister begins his story: "Years before the Israelites came to
> the Promised Land and settled here, Moses led them for 40 years through
the
> desert. The Israelites began complaining that they were thirsty and, lo
and
> behold, a miracle occurred and a stream appeared before them. They drank
> their fill and then decided to take advantage of the stream to do some
> bathing -- including Moses. When Moses came out of the water, he found
that
> all his clothing was missing.
>
> "Who took my clothes?" Moses asked those around him.
>
> "It was the Palestinians," replied the Israelites--"
>
> "Wait a minute," objected Arafat immediately, "there were no Palestinians
> during the time of Moses!"
>
> "All right," replies the Prime Minister, "Now that we've got that settled,
> let's begin our negotiations
Living in relatively peaceful country I can handle most anything with humor,
but I know some of you have strong feelings to this ugly business. My
solution as an outsider who only knows what he learns from news and history,
is that we leave this issue alone. I have sympathy for both parties and....
thats about it.
Peace out,
- Mika
tcells
Piker wrote in message ...
>
>>
>> sure, I think we had one not too long ago though.
>
>I know; I started it. Caused a big mess... =)
nah you simply posted the first post in a thread ;)
>
>>How about the viability of steam cars vs electric cars?
>
>Didn't they make an engine that runs on potatos, too?
>
oh all sorts of vegetable derivatives ranging from gasses to alkyholes hic
eo
> > Get of the soap box and start killing demons and undead creatures.
>
jew
> hating anti-social bigot decided to make a deal of it may not be on topic,
> but it sure is nice to know the assholes from those worth coresponding
with.
> In this case, I found a new entry for my recently neglected killfile.
>
> Mickey
C'mon Mickey, you're not as stupid as that. You were fishing for flames and
got exactly what you wanted.
Now let's wrap this up and move on.
Mickey
news:JkrA8.9903$ph2.2...@news4.ulv.nextra.no...
Actually, I was posting a joke, and nothing more. The fact that an idiot of
two popped out of the wood work was just a bonus, albeit one that could have
been predicted :)
Mickey
Mickey
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>
> > You need understand that threads like this are a time honoured custom of
> > agd. They are good for blowing out cobwebs, and just ditching the yap
> about
> > D for a while. You can always choose to ignore the thread if you find
it
> > unpleasant or not something which you want to spend your time reading
> >
>
> Cool. Based on that can I start a thread about whether adg or agd2 is
> better? ; )
You did, didn't you?
Mickey
Mickey
news:Xns920314B...@198.99.146.10...
More to the point....
1. Israelis never had a problem with arabs until arabs had a problem with
us.
2. The french were selling weapons to the nazis as they were marching into
Paris (see Vichy gov't for detail)
3. They have a long and storied history of anti-judiasm, which has now once
again come out into the open with the burning of jewish temples in France.
Mickey
Mickey
Oddly enough, that was the only reason I posted it... I thought it was
funny. The fact that there is some truth buried in there only serves to make
it funnier.
Mickey
Mickey
news:3cd1f...@news1.vip.uk.com...
Then do the research and report it here. I await with bated breath.
Mickey
Darren
in that refugee camp. Wasn't some thing like over 150 dead women and
children. And arn't israel stopping the UN from investigating.
awfully sus if u ask me...........................
Darren
"short" <sho...@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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Josh W. Spencer
> Am I the only one who thinks that this topic is in the WRONG
> NEWSGROUP!!??!?!?
>
> C'mon, people. We came here to talk games, not world politics.
>
> Get of the soap box and start killing demons and undead creatures.
You have a point there...but I am sure there are those in this newsgroup on
both sides of the issue who believe that the other side are demons and
undead creatures anyway. :( :(
Mickey
news:aatmdg$5p1$1...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au...
> i dont' agree with suicidal bombing, but i don't agree with what Israel
did
> in that refugee camp. Wasn't some thing like over 150 dead women and
> children. And arn't israel stopping the UN from investigating.
> awfully sus if u ask me...........................
A. 150 women? ROFL... now that is funny. Have you been listening to Al
Jazeera? The NY Times, along with several other respected entities came and
found no evidence of anything anywhere like this.
B. Israel should have left the UN years ago, as should the US. It is an
anti-american, anti-jewish organization, controlled by facists and arab oil.
Mickey
dmo
<snip>
> A. 150 women? ROFL... now that is funny. Have you been listening to Al
> Jazeera? The NY Times, along with several other respected entities came
and
> found no evidence of anything anywhere like this.
Amnesty International, however, has visited the camp.
From http://www.amnesty.org.uk/action/crisis/israel.shtml:
Jenin – the heavy price of Israeli incursions
In response to growing international concern over reports of human rights
violations by the IDF in Jenin, an Amnesty International delegation, which
included a human rights lawyer and a professor of forensic medicine, visited
the area last week on a fact-finding mission. They interviewed eye-witnesses
and met government representatives, including members of the IDF.
Until last week, the IDF were conducting operations largely in secret, with
media, emergency medical services, the International Committee of the Red
Cross and UN agencies denied access to the refugee camp. Despite extremely
difficult conditions, the delegation managed to visit Rumaneh village, Jenin
city, Jenin City Hospital and Jenin Refugee Camp.
The evidence compiled indicates that serious breaches of international human
rights and humanitarian law were committed, including war crimes.
The delegation received credible evidence of:
Failure to give civilians warning or time to evacuate Jenin refugee camp
before Apache helicopters launched their first attacks.
Failure by the IDF to protect the people of the refugee camp, who are
"protected people" under the Geneva Conventions.
Allegations of extrajudicial executions
Failure, for 13 days, to allow humanitarian assistance to the people in the
camp who were trapped in the rubble of demolished houses or running out of
food and water.
Denial of medical assistance to the wounded in the refugee camp and
deliberate targeting of ambulances.
Excessive use of lethal force and using civilians as a "human shield".
Ill-treatment, including beatings and degrading treatment, of Palestinian
detainees.
Extensive damage to property with no apparent military necessity.
Commenting on his preliminary findings following the autopsies he carried
out in Jenin Hospital, Amnesty International delegate Professor Derrick
Pounder said:
"What was striking is what was absent. There were very few bodies in the
hospital. There were also none who were seriously injured, only the 'walking
wounded'. Thus we have to ask: where are the bodies and where are the
seriously injured?"
Mickey
Please define "civilian" as it is used here. While doing so, please keep in
mind that Israel is not fighting an army whichis kind enough to wear
uniforms that segregate combatants from non-combatants. I await.....
Mickey
dmo
> Please define "civilian" as it is used here. While doing so, please keep
in
> mind that Israel is not fighting an army whichis kind enough to wear
> uniforms that segregate combatants from non-combatants. I await.....
The definition of the word "civilian" does not vary.
And I am perfectly aware that the Palestinian combatants use guerrilla
tactics.
dmo
radiodude
> > responsible for all this "shit"
>
> Yeah, it's all them Israeli suicide bombers that's to blame.
>
I was told that where, in the bible, there is a phrase about spreading the
word of god, in the Koran the phrase adds "by the sword". Can anyone confirm
that?
---------------
rd
radiodude
Zeig Heil!
bastard...
---------------
rd
Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
radiodude
That's not normal guerrilla tactics. It's the acts of a cowardly, inhumane
group that doesn't care who they kill to acheive their objective. Any
government, religion, or other group that allows young children to fight,
carry weapons, kill people, and blow themselves up (witness the 16 yr old
girl that blew herself up recently) should be immediately driven out of
power, and it's principles brought to justice (read:executed. They are NOT
human beings. They are not even animals)
Zamboni
"Virtual Den" <noS...@noSpam.com> wrote in message
>
> "Zamboni" <zam...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:aarvvj$1no$1...@nntp1-cm.news.eni.net...
> >
> > >
> > They've been offered the West Bank a few times, but keep refusing. Kind
of
> > hard to negotiate with someone who stomps away every time you give them
> what
> > they ask for.
>
> The joke is "We gave them the moon". Well it was a quarter moon! Now
explain
> to me the colonization of new territories while talking peace after the
OSLO
> accord. Stop listening to the propaganda and do some search on the
Internet!
>
Search the Internet? Now there's a useful source of information. I've been
watching this idiotic situation since it started (and married into a Arabic
family to boot).
The settlement tactic sucks, I agree, but it can be undone. Israel had
settlements in Sinai, and they were all pulled out when Egypt agreed to play
nice. The same thing will happen if they hand over the West Bank, assuming
the PA ever agrees to take it.
Oslo is dead, get over it.
radiodude
> be in the same mess. Fortunately, we have the resources to educate even
the
> poorest of our society, and the wealth to placate our population.
>
> -Piker
Actually, they do also. It is law in many Arab countries (the most
'orthodox' ones) that no one except the royal families get an education. The
vast majority cannot read. They can only do simple addition and subtraction.
Multiplication and division are unknown concepts. They only know what their
government/religion tells them. Which is why a government based on a
religion is a bad idea.
Mickey
Then how can anyone claim that a dead body belongs to a civilian? Or do they
all belong to civilians, making anyone the IDF kills to defend itself a war
crime?
Mickey
Mickey
news:aau931$p46$1...@plonk.apk.net...
The Quran has many phrases like that, but they need to be understood in
context. Remember the times it was written in. The Quran is, like the Bible,
something that can be "interpretted". In spite of the fact that the Bible
preaches peace, and the new testament an homage to the life of Christ
(a.k.a. The Prince of Peace) didn't stop the Crusades not the Inquesition.
Finding a reason to kill people is never hard. Finding a reason NOT to is
the real trick.
Mickey
radiodude
> >
> >Didn't they make an engine that runs on potatos, too?
> >
>
>
> oh all sorts of vegetable derivatives ranging from gasses to alkyholes hic
>
Any one remember the Chrysler turbine-powered car back in the 60's? It was
supposed to run on about anything. They specifically mentioned peanut
butter...
---------------
rd
Willy
<mets...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
> Ever see Baal do that thing with the fire and stuff? You know what I mean,
> that thing. The swirly thing. Whats that called again?
nobody answered my question.
would you all rather talk about Genocide? Homocide? or my pretty little
Cowacide? <-- name of my javazon
o well, I tried
;-)
wildBill
USEast HC
radiodude
the
> > word of god, in the Koran the phrase adds "by the sword". Can anyone
> confirm
> > that?
>
> The Quran has many phrases like that, but they need to be understood in
> context. Remember the times it was written in. The Quran is, like the
Bible,
> something that can be "interpretted". In spite of the fact that the Bible
> preaches peace, and the new testament an homage to the life of Christ
> (a.k.a. The Prince of Peace) didn't stop the Crusades not the Inquesition.
> Finding a reason to kill people is never hard. Finding a reason NOT to is
> the real trick.
>
> Mickey
>
>
Very true. Yes, I believe the bible has been poorly and incorrectly
re-interpreted many times. And thanks for the spelling correction.
Piker
hairs? On another note, by the timing of your post, I am wondering if you
are suffering the same inconsistancy with GigaNews that have been ever since
Comcast made that seamless <sarcasm> transition?
-Piker
Piker
> "Mickey" <mic...@comcast.net> wrote
> <snip>
> > A. 150 women? ROFL... now that is funny. Have you been listening to Al
> > Jazeera? The NY Times, along with several other respected entities came
> and
> > found no evidence of anything anywhere like this.
> <snip>
>
> Amnesty International, however, has visited the camp.
>
> From http://www.amnesty.org.uk/action/crisis/israel.shtml:
>
Amnesty International? You'd be better off getting your information from
the funny papers.
-Piker
dmo
> Amnesty International? You'd be better off getting your information from
> the funny papers.
>
> -Piker
And upon what do you base that comment?
For what it's worth, there are other independent reports available. I will
happily forward the links to these to anyone interested.
dmo
Piker
> "Piker" <right...@home.com> wrote
> > Amnesty International? You'd be better off getting your information
from
> > the funny papers.
> >
> > -Piker
>
> And upon what do you base that comment?
Take the most recent diatribe against U.S. self-defense: an Amnesty
International report, released last month, on the detention of illegal
immigrants picked up after 9/11. Throughout the report, Amnesty puts
"terrorist" in scare quotes, to signal the organization's ironic detachment
from the term. If you can't bring yourself to use the word "terrorist"
non-ironically, there is indeed much about recent government actions that
will look arbitrary or discriminatory.
> For what it's worth, there are other independent reports available. I will
> happily forward the links to these to anyone interested.
>
> dmo
Independent does not mean inpartial.
-Piker
Wailwulf
> Amnesty International, however, has visited the camp.
>
> From http://www.amnesty.org.uk/action/crisis/israel.shtml:
<snip>
>
> Failure to give civilians warning or time to evacuate Jenin refugee camp
> before Apache helicopters launched their first attacks.
"Attention all citizens. One week from today at 10 in the morning, we
will be sending Apache Attack helicopters down Main Street to the corner of
8th Ave in a surprise attack."
> Failure by the IDF to protect the people of the refugee camp, who are
> "protected people" under the Geneva Conventions.
"All right, here is the plan. 9th and 10th brigade will attack Jennin.
6th brigade along with elements of 14th and 2nd brigade will defend Jennin
from 9th and 10th. Any questions?"
<SNIP>
> Excessive use of lethal force and using civilians as a "human shield".
And what are the priests that are being held in the Church of the
Nativity? If not "human shields", then what?
> Commenting on his preliminary findings following the autopsies he carried
> out in Jenin Hospital, Amnesty International delegate Professor Derrick
> Pounder said:
>
> "What was striking is what was absent. There were very few bodies in the
> hospital. There were also none who were seriously injured, only the
'walking
> wounded'. Thus we have to ask: where are the bodies and where are the
> seriously injured?"
>
So its a War Crime not to kill and seriously injure now?
-Wailwulf
Virtual Den
> 1. The court in Belguim indicted Ariel Sharon for complicity in a murder
> that allegely took place during the 1967 6 day war. He wasn't accused of
> murder, but of failing to stop one. Yassir Arafat, otoh, has never been
> indicted for anything.
Right: Former Lebanese militia leader, Elie Hobeika, announces at a news
conference July 5, 2001 that he is ready to submit evidence to a Belgian
inquiry on the role played by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in the
massacre of hundreds of civilians at Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee
camps during Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon. A blast on Thursday killed
Hobeika, a former Lebanese minister and leader of a pro-Israeli militia
involved in the massacre of the 1982 massacre of Palestinian refugees in
Lebanon, security sources said. REUTERS/Charif Karim
> Educationally yours,
Thank you. Here is a link for more education with also some articles written
by Jews that could help a bit to reduce his anger and racism. For sure the
Zionist Mickey will see them as traitors!
VD
John Sessoms
>
> "John Sessoms" <no....@no.where.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3CD1A68C...@no.where.invalid...
> > Virtual Den wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > responsible for all this "shit"
> >
> > Yeah, it's all them Israeli suicide bombers that's to blame.
> >
>
> I do not say that suicide bombing is a nice thing to do but it is the only
> way they found to defend themselves.
Yeah. Just like Bin Ladin was defending himself against the WTC.
--
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All opinions expressed are uniquely my own. Ain't nobody else to
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Mickey
Mickey
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>
>
> the funny papers.
They never met a war that wasn't rife with war crimes, nor do they know of
any country not currently invovled in crimes against humanity. Fortunately,
the PLO isn't a country, and as such doesn't come under their scrutiny....
well, how FUCKING convenient.
Mickey
Mickey
Sure, and while you're at it, post links to the articles by the N.Y. and
London Times, who were looking in the same place, intereviewed RESIDENTS of
Janin, and concluded nothing more happened there than a battle between IDF
forces, and terrorist. After all, if you're going to do it, do it without
bias.
Mickey
Mickey
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Funny, in the crotch, we were always taught to wound rather than kill, as it
only takes one person to bury a dead man (if they are even so disposed),
while it takes many to care for a wounded one. If they hadn't killed them,
they would have subsequently been accused of torturing them. And when Israel
does provide proof (as in the documents taken from Arafat's HQ showing him
PAYING TERRORISTS), they are accused of falsifying them. The are still
accused, even after the CIA validated that there was no way on God's green
little ball they were fakes.
Mickey
Mickey
they aren't educated because if they were, they might one day realize that
they problems are not caused by Israel or the US or the "west" as a whole,
but rather by their corrupt leaders, who sell hundreds of billions of
dollars worth of oil and starve the populace. If the arab nation donated 50%
of the money to helping "palestinians" as they do to funding terrorism,
there wouldn't be problems in Israel... which is exactly why they do not.
Mickey
Mickey
I'd rather split hares, if I can find my way back to the Secret Bunny Level.
And yes, I am, and I am fuming mad about it and giving COmcast sheer hell
twice a day.
Mickey
Mickey
Not really a correction, as Koran was the accepted spelling until a few
years ago, when someone decided all the "k" sounds in arabic should be
spelled with a "Q". Don't ask me who came up wit this brilliant idea, as it
surely wasn't me :)
Mickey
Virtual Den
> > So its a War Crime not to kill and seriously injure now?
>
> Funny, in the crotch, we were always taught to wound rather than kill, as
it
> only takes one person to bury a dead man (if they are even so disposed),
> while it takes many to care for a wounded one. If they hadn't killed them,
> they would have subsequently been accused of torturing them. And when
Israel
> does provide proof (as in the documents taken from Arafat's HQ showing him
> PAYING TERRORISTS), they are accused of falsifying them.
Yes Arafat would be dumb enough to keep compromising documents while his HQ
was swarmed by Israeli soldiers since some days.
> The are still
> accused, even after the CIA validated that there was no way on God's green
> little ball they were fakes.
There are no better friend to USA than Israel. Here are some contibutions to
help the political view of Americans.
http://www.wrmea.com/html/aipac.htm
VD