Necromancer +Skills?
Lewis W Beard
What are the various options for getting +skills for a necromancer? I
am designing a necromancer build, and I am hoping to be able to come
up with at least +4 or maybe +6 to my Necromancer skills, more if I
can.
Whats the max you can get? How easy is it to get +4 or more?
What are some items you can get +skills from? Yes, I have looked at
the Arreat summit, and some of the ones I have seen are:
Weapon: +2 Necromancer Skills dagger or Wand, BlackHand Key,
GravenSpine, Ume's Lament
Ring 1: +1 Stone of Jordan (I dont have any though)
Ring 2: +1 Stone of Jordan (I dont have any though)
Amulet: +1 Eye of Eltich (spelling?), +2 Mara's Kaliedoscope, +1
Necomancer Amulet, +2 Necromancer Amulet (level 90 monsters only?)
Armor: +1 ViperMagi armor, +1 Silks of the Victor
Helm: +1 Lore Helm, +1 Tarnhelm, +1 Necromancer Circlet, +2
Necromancer Circlet (level 90 monsters only?)
Shield: +1 Sigon's, +2 Necromancer Homunculus
Boots: none?
Gloves: none?
Belt: none?
So, I can see that +11 is possible ... can a Necromancer get higher
than that in +skills? If so, how?
I also know that Trangouls set gives +3 skills and some +tree stuff,
and 50% resist all, but that seems really hard to build that set, and
honestly, I'd rather have Homunculus and Smoke and Blackhand Key (or
Ume's) and Wormskull or a TarnHelm than to have the set, because the
set really limits your slots. Maybe if it didnt prevent use of the
Humonculus, I'd go for it. Hmm.
Help?
Lewis
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Mickey
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> All,
>
> What are the various options for getting +skills for a necromancer? I
> am designing a necromancer build, and I am hoping to be able to come
> up with at least +4 or maybe +6 to my Necromancer skills, more if I
> can.
>
> Whats the max you can get? How easy is it to get +4 or more?
+20 is about as good as it gets.
>
> What are some items you can get +skills from? Yes, I have looked at
> the Arreat summit, and some of the ones I have seen are:
>
> Weapon: +2 Necromancer Skills dagger or Wand, BlackHand Key,
> GravenSpine, Ume's Lament
Nah, use a white wand... many more plus skills on it.
>
> Ring 1: +1 Stone of Jordan (I dont have any though)
>
> Ring 2: +1 Stone of Jordan (I dont have any though)
>
> Amulet: +1 Eye of Eltich (spelling?), +2 Mara's Kaliedoscope, +1
No, go with a +3 to a skills tab. Usually, this is either summoning or P&B.
> Necomancer Amulet, +2 Necromancer Amulet (level 90 monsters only?)
No, you can find them in act2 hell. They have a lvl 67 REQ on them. You can
also gamble them easily. If you are on west, I have a ton of them.
>
> Armor: +1 ViperMagi armor, +1 Silks of the Victor
Stay away from the silks. EItehr the Viper or the unique mage plate
>
> Helm: +1 Lore Helm, +1 Tarnhelm, +1 Necromancer Circlet, +2
Again, I would go with a +3 to a skills tab helm. The one I used on my necro
is +3 P&B skills, 24 Damage reduced, with 2 sockets added with perfect
skulls in them.
> Necromancer Circlet (level 90 monsters only?)
Again, no.
>
> Shield: +1 Sigon's, +2 Necromancer Homunculus
No. Use either a Rhyme for the mana regen, resists and MF, or use a necro
head with +2 skills and pluesss to other skills in your field of expertise,
or the VISC defender.
>
> Boots: none?
Make a pair of caster boots. They are by FAR the best boots a necro can
make. As they only require a thul rune, perfect amythest and a shitty jewel,
do not be afraid to make LOTS of them. The ones my necro uses are 30% fast
RW, 12% max mana, 15% mana regen, 18 mana, 23%MF.
>
> Gloves: none?
Frosties, if you are going to cast bone spirits, as you will need the mana
boost.
>
> Belt: none?
here many choices abound, my preference was always nightsmoke.
>
> So, I can see that +11 is possible ... can a Necromancer get higher
> than that in +skills? If so, how?
OK, let us add
3 on hat
3 on ammy
2 on shield
2 on wand
1 on armor
2 on rings
that's 13 already, and you can also load up on charms with +2 to a skills
tab. Getting your particular branch to 30-25 is not very hard. As mine was
mostly a P&B necro, his bone spirit and corpse explosion were both lvl 34 or
36, depending on which tab I was using at the time.
>
> I also know that Trangouls set gives +3 skills and some +tree stuff,
> and 50% resist all, but that seems really hard to build that set, and
> honestly, I'd rather have Homunculus and Smoke and Blackhand Key (or
> Ume's) and Wormskull or a TarnHelm than to have the set, because the
> set really limits your slots. Maybe if it didnt prevent use of the
> Humonculus, I'd go for it. Hmm.
Again, there is no wand like the white wand. If the wand you make it from
has nice skills, it simply is 5 orders of magnitude better than any other.
Mickey
Lewis W Beard
Thanks for the advice on +skills. I didnt realize people were cranking
up one skill tab over the others ... but I think it makes sense. With
the equipment example you gave me, I would have +7 all and +13 to one
tab. I think that is enough. My biggest problem will be getting stones
of Jordan ... I've never had one (I dont trade much). Most of the
other gear you mentioned and/or I mentioned, well I have it.
What do you think of this build?
Golem Mastery 20, Poison Nova 20, Bone Spirit 20, Corpse Explosion 20,
and all other Necromancer skills 1 each. That comes to 106, which is
level 95.
Of course, I tend to play no higher than level 80-85 or so with most
characters, so I may limit my base Corpse Explosion to 5 points. If I
collect +13 to Poison and Bone, I think a CE of 18 would be plenty.
Oh, and how easy/hard is it to get max resists in hell? And how
necessary is it?
As for the offer on the spare amulets, I appreciate it, but sadly I am
on useast. :)
Thanks for the advice so far, and for any additional advice you might
have.
Lewis
ShieldWolf
> "Lewis W Beard" <le...@lwb.org> wrote in message
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> > All,
> >
> > What are the various options for getting +skills for a necromancer? I
> > am designing a necromancer build, and I am hoping to be able to come
> > up with at least +4 or maybe +6 to my Necromancer skills, more if I
> > can.
After reading all your hype about Necro's I decided to start one
myself last week. Up to that point I had only gotten one up to level
14 and deserted him since he was going to be a poison dagger guy
before 1.08 changed my mind.
This guy is twinked and I helped him to Act 5 and past the Ancients at
level 20, then got him a Barb merc. I'm pretty much following your
"guide". He's just level 33 so far.
> > What are some items you can get +skills from? Yes, I have looked at
> > the Arreat summit, and some of the ones I have seen are:
> >
> > Weapon: +2 Necromancer Skills dagger or Wand, BlackHand Key,
> > GravenSpine, Ume's Lament
>
> Nah, use a white wand... many more plus skills on it.
I'm using Umes at the moment. I'll have to look for a nice wand to
socket.
> > Ring 1: +1 Stone of Jordan (I dont have any though)
> >
> > Ring 2: +1 Stone of Jordan (I dont have any though)
> >
> > Amulet: +1 Eye of Eltich (spelling?), +2 Mara's Kaliedoscope, +1
>
> No, go with a +3 to a skills tab. Usually, this is either summoning or P&B.
Wearing two stones and a +1 rare Necro ammy with 26% MF.
> > Necomancer Amulet, +2 Necromancer Amulet (level 90 monsters only?)
>
> No, you can find them in act2 hell. They have a lvl 67 REQ on them. You can
> also gamble them easily. If you are on west, I have a ton of them.
I'll have to look you up after another 34 levels. ;)
> > Armor: +1 ViperMagi armor, +1 Silks of the Victor
>
> Stay away from the silks. EItehr the Viper or the unique mage plate
Wearing Spirit Shroud now, but looking for a 35% Viper and an Um. ;)
Hadn't thought about the mage plate (that I don't have any way).
> > Helm: +1 Lore Helm, +1 Tarnhelm, +1 Necromancer Circlet, +2
>
> Again, I would go with a +3 to a skills tab helm. The one I used on my necro
> is +3 P&B skills, 24 Damage reduced, with 2 sockets added with perfect
> skulls in them.
Wearing a 46% Tarn, not socketed.
> > Necromancer Circlet (level 90 monsters only?)
>
> Again, no.
>
> >
> > Shield: +1 Sigon's, +2 Necromancer Homunculus
>
> No. Use either a Rhyme for the mana regen, resists and MF, or use a necro
> head with +2 skills and pluesss to other skills in your field of expertise,
> or the VISC defender.
Using the 1.08 Visc that I gave to Stephen before I started the Necro
and asked for it back. Well, he wasn't using it. ;) Figured I'd
start looking for the Homunculus for the skills and resists, etc. May
make a Rhyme too.
> > Boots: none?
>
> Make a pair of caster boots. They are by FAR the best boots a necro can
> make. As they only require a thul rune, perfect amythest and a shitty jewel,
> do not be afraid to make LOTS of them. The ones my necro uses are 30% fast
> RW, 12% max mana, 15% mana regen, 18 mana, 23%MF.
That's a good idea. I have crap boots. Treads, IIRC.
> > Gloves: none?
>
> Frosties, if you are going to cast bone spirits, as you will need the mana
> boost.
Yes, I'm wearing Frosties.
> > Belt: none?
>
> here many choices abound, my preference was always nightsmoke.
Using Nightsmoke now, but will probably switch to Gloomstrap.
> > So, I can see that +11 is possible ... can a Necromancer get higher
> > than that in +skills? If so, how?
>
> OK, let us add
>
> 3 on hat
> 3 on ammy
> 2 on shield
> 2 on wand
> 1 on armor
> 2 on rings
>
> that's 13 already, and you can also load up on charms with +2 to a skills
> tab. Getting your particular branch to 30-25 is not very hard. As mine was
> mostly a P&B necro, his bone spirit and corpse explosion were both lvl 34 or
> 36, depending on which tab I was using at the time.
Ok, I'm only at +9 all, but that's not bad at level 33. I have no
+skill charms, which are +1 to a tab, not +2, as I'm sure you know.
> > I also know that Trangouls set gives +3 skills and some +tree stuff,
> > and 50% resist all, but that seems really hard to build that set, and
> > honestly, I'd rather have Homunculus and Smoke and Blackhand Key (or
> > Ume's) and Wormskull or a TarnHelm than to have the set, because the
> > set really limits your slots. Maybe if it didnt prevent use of the
> > Humonculus, I'd go for it. Hmm.
I've got the gloves and armor (traded away the head) but I'm not sure
it's worth wearing.
> Again, there is no wand like the white wand. If the wand you make it from
> has nice skills, it simply is 5 orders of magnitude better than any other.
>
> Mickey
I've gotta figure out what all those curses and such do. Right now I
just summon a Fire Golem and apply AD and LR while the golem and Wulf
create corpses for me to explode. In a nasty fight I will do a little
Life Tap to save Wulf's exposed rear. When I remember I spam a few
Bone Spirits to help out a bit. With over 600 mana I can spare a few.
Are the bone skills worth getting? I'm thinking of putting a point in
shield and wall at least, just to play with and maybe as some
protection. Not sure about prison. Which golem works out best for
this type of build? I don't like a lot of minions, but an extra tank
is nice.
Mike Graham
> What do you think of this build?
I'm not Mickey, but I'll throw my 2c in, too.
> Golem Mastery 20, Poison Nova 20, Bone Spirit 20, Corpse Explosion 20,
> and all other Necromancer skills 1 each. That comes to 106, which is
> level 95.
I'm not completely fond of it, myself. Maxing golem mastery is all well
and good, but that doesn't increase the damage done by the golem. Now
you've got some fierce offensive stuff in that list, but if you want the
golem to be a tank and just draw fire while you're casting BS and CE then
it would be a Real Good Idea to add some Summon Resist, especially if
you're planning on going forever with this build (level 95 is awfully
high). I'd be limiting corpse explosion and throwing a few extra in
SResist and a few extra in Amplify Damage.
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Lewis W Beard
> Lewis W Beard wrote:
>
> > What do you think of this build?
>
> I'm not Mickey, but I'll throw my 2c in, too.
>
> > Golem Mastery 20, Poison Nova 20, Bone Spirit 20, Corpse Explosion 20,
> > and all other Necromancer skills 1 each. That comes to 106, which is
> > level 95.
>
> I'm not completely fond of it, myself. Maxing golem mastery is all well
> and good, but that doesn't increase the damage done by the golem.
I have no interest in the golems doing damage. Since I have a thorns
merc and will easily have +5 to all necromancer skills, and points in
every skill, I will have at least 6 revives and a nice beefy golem for
reflecting physical damage with the thorns merc. The ability of the
golem to personally damage is irrelevant for the build, but survival
of the golem is important.
> it would be a Real Good Idea to add some Summon Resist, especially if
> you're planning on going forever with this build (level 95 is awfully
> high). I'd be limiting corpse explosion and throwing a few extra in
> SResist and a few extra in Amplify Damage.
Well, I agree that 95 is high, but 80 is not. That means I could max
mastery, max poison nova, max bone spirit, and put 5 in CE, and 1 in
everything else. Thats 91 points, or level 80.
Now, I have no really good gear, but even I can easily scrape up +5
skills. I have never needed more than 5 in amp damage, or lower
resist, and those are for use with corpse explosion. I can easily get
a couple of +2 or +3 skill tree (poison and bone) items, bringing CR
itself up to 14 or 15. Lower Resist is also for Poison Nova and Bone
Spirit also. Amp damage also affects the thorns damage reflected by my
merc ... it stacks, unlike amp and iron maiden. Also, I dont think I
will need more than 6 in summon resist after skills, and same for most
of the curses and one pointers.
So, yes, the build is highly dependent on items, but I have some of
them, and will acquire others.
However, I do appreciate the advice, and I am open to counter-advice
or other ideas.
Lewis
ald
<mickeybTI...@home.com> wrote:
>Make a pair of caster boots. They are by FAR the best boots a necro can
>make. As they only require a thul rune, perfect amythest and a shitty jewel,
>do not be afraid to make LOTS of them. The ones my necro uses are 30% fast
>RW, 12% max mana, 15% mana regen, 18 mana, 23%MF.
D*mn, I'd missed that. And using the three items that I have a ton of
and no use for, that's even better ;-) That's a plain pair of boots,
right?
>Again, there is no wand like the white wand. If the wand you make it from
>has nice skills, it simply is 5 orders of magnitude better than any other.
>
>Mickey
Ok, I've tried searching the Arreat Summit, but that one I can't find.
Is this another crafted item? How do you make this wand, and what does
it do?
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Mickey
>
> Thanks for the advice on +skills. I didnt realize people were cranking
> up one skill tab over the others ... but I think it makes sense. With
> the equipment example you gave me, I would have +7 all and +13 to one
> tab. I think that is enough. My biggest problem will be getting stones
> of Jordan ... I've never had one (I dont trade much). Most of the
> other gear you mentioned and/or I mentioned, well I have it.
>
> What do you think of this build?
>
> Golem Mastery 20, Poison Nova 20, Bone Spirit 20, Corpse Explosion 20,
> and all other Necromancer skills 1 each. That comes to 106, which is
> level 95.
The golem mast is a bit of overkill. I would put some points into revives
and skell master instead. Also, lower res is a nice skill, depending on who
you have revived. You'd be amazed at how quickly 10 blood lords can take out
mephisto if you have a decent lower res.
>
> Of course, I tend to play no higher than level 80-85 or so with most
> characters, so I may limit my base Corpse Explosion to 5 points. If I
> collect +13 to Poison and Bone, I think a CE of 18 would be plenty.
CE and BS are the 2 skills I pump ruthlessly. For one thing, necros level
best where monsters collect in large groups. The cow level is heaven for a
necro with a potent CE... I have often run it solo, and found cows dead a
screen and a half away.
>
> Oh, and how easy/hard is it to get max resists in hell? And how
> necessary is it?
Not easy, not necessary. Lightning is, the rest are not. I would look for a
nice charm or 3 to boost it. My mecro carried a grand charm that was +36
life, +30% lightning res. That charm was passed along to my sorc, and then
to my zon.
>
> As for the offer on the spare amulets, I appreciate it, but sadly I am
> on useast. :)
>
> Thanks for the advice so far, and for any additional advice you might
> have.
Best advice I can give you is to find a guillaume's face and park it on a
barb merc. That, along with a decent armor and sword will give you the means
to generate those first few corpses you need to start exploding corpses.
As to additional advice, I will point you to
http://members.home.com/mickeyb/Necromancer
Mickey
Mickey
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> "Mickey" <mickeybTI...@home.com> wrote in message
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> > "Lewis W Beard" <le...@lwb.org> wrote in message
> > news:c581d835.01112...@posting.google.com...
> > > All,
> >
skills
> > tab. Getting your particular branch to 30-25 is not very hard. As mine
was
> > mostly a P&B necro, his bone spirit and corpse explosion were both lvl
34 or
> > 36, depending on which tab I was using at the time.
>
> Ok, I'm only at +9 all, but that's not bad at level 33. I have no
> +skill charms, which are +1 to a tab, not +2, as I'm sure you know.
ROFL... yeah, that should have read "+ to skill tabs"... too much time on
bnet :)
>
> > Again, there is no wand like the white wand. If the wand you make it
from
> > has nice skills, it simply is 5 orders of magnitude better than any
other.
> >
> > Mickey
>
> I've gotta figure out what all those curses and such do. Right now I
> just summon a Fire Golem and apply AD and LR while the golem and Wulf
> create corpses for me to explode. In a nasty fight I will do a little
> Life Tap to save Wulf's exposed rear. When I remember I spam a few
> Bone Spirits to help out a bit. With over 600 mana I can spare a few.
Nice mana at that level. My necro ended up with about 1710 mana and 1700
life. The rest of the stats are about useless ot a necro.
>
> Are the bone skills worth getting? I'm thinking of putting a point in
> shield and wall at least, just to play with and maybe as some
> protection. Not sure about prison. Which golem works out best for
> this type of build? I don't like a lot of minions, but an extra tank
> is nice.
Prison is useless as teats on a bull. I have never been a fan of bone walls,
but I have seen some use them.
Mickey
Mickey
> <mickeybTI...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >Make a pair of caster boots. They are by FAR the best boots a necro can
> >make. As they only require a thul rune, perfect amythest and a shitty
jewel,
> >do not be afraid to make LOTS of them. The ones my necro uses are 30%
fast
> >RW, 12% max mana, 15% mana regen, 18 mana, 23%MF.
>
> D*mn, I'd missed that. And using the three items that I have a ton of
> and no use for, that's even better ;-) That's a plain pair of boots,
> right?
Yes, a magical pair... Act1 normal is the place ot buy them, although better
purchased or gambled for a Gheed's.
>
> >Again, there is no wand like the white wand. If the wand you make it from
> >has nice skills, it simply is 5 orders of magnitude better than any
other.
> >
> >Mickey
>
> Ok, I've tried searching the Arreat Summit, but that one I can't find.
> Is this another crafted item? How do you make this wand, and what does
> it do?
A 2 socket wand, and DOL-IO.
From http://www.diabloii.net/items/runes/runewords-weapons.shtml
Hit causes monster to flee 25%
20% Faster Cast Rate
Magic Damage Reduced by 4
+13 to mana
+10 to vitality
+3 to bone and poison skills
+4 to skeleton mastery
+2 to bone spear
+3 to bone armor
and you also get whatever skills were on the wand to start with. This is an
uber item for a necro, and the runes are not all that hard to annex. The
tough part is finally settling on the 2 socket wand you will use.
Mickey
Xocyll
>On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:54:27 GMT, "Mickey"
><mickeybTI...@home.com> wrote:
>
>>Make a pair of caster boots. They are by FAR the best boots a necro can
>>make. As they only require a thul rune, perfect amythest and a shitty jewel,
>>do not be afraid to make LOTS of them. The ones my necro uses are 30% fast
>>RW, 12% max mana, 15% mana regen, 18 mana, 23%MF.
>
>D*mn, I'd missed that. And using the three items that I have a ton of
>and no use for, that's even better ;-) That's a plain pair of boots,
>right?
>
>>Again, there is no wand like the white wand. If the wand you make it from
>>has nice skills, it simply is 5 orders of magnitude better than any other.
>>
>>Mickey
>
>Ok, I've tried searching the Arreat Summit, but that one I can't find.
>Is this another crafted item? How do you make this wand, and what does
>it do?
It's a runeword. Level 35 required. Works on realm and open.
Dol + Io
Wand keeps the inherent +skills stuff and gets:
Hit causes monster to flee 25%
20% faster cast rate
magic damage reduced by 4
+13 mana
+10 vitality
+3 bone and poison skills
+4 skeleton mastery
+2 bone spear
+3 bone armor
So if you were to find a nice 2 socket wand with +2-3 B&P skills and +2-3
bone spear, this one wand could boost the tree by 5-6 and bone spear by
9-11 points.
Truly the absolute best item a Necro will ever hope to get.
Xocyll
Mike Graham
> CE and BS are the 2 skills I pump ruthlessly. For one thing, necros level
> best where monsters collect in large groups. The cow level is heaven for a
> necro with a potent CE... I have often run it solo, and found cows dead a
> screen and a half away.
By BS here you are referring to Bone Spirit, or Bone Spear? I have had
Bone Spear maxed, but I have never really used Bone Spirit. What is the
benefit? I believe that it can't really be targetted, which seems a
drawback.
> Best advice I can give you is to find a guillaume's face and park it on a
> barb merc. That, along with a decent armor and sword will give you the
> means to generate those first few corpses you need to start exploding
> corpses.
Something I have found is that unlike other characters, cold damage can
be a hinderance to a skelemancer or CE necro... no bodies, no fuel for the
machines of war.
Lewis W Beard
> bone spear, this one wand could boost the tree by 5-6 and bone spear by
> 9-11 points.
Can you get a non-magic wand with +skill tabs on it? I thought that
was a magic prefix and so the runeword wouldnt work?
Or am I wrong?
Lewis
Mickey
> Mickey wrote:
>
> > CE and BS are the 2 skills I pump ruthlessly. For one thing, necros
level
> > best where monsters collect in large groups. The cow level is heaven for
a
> > necro with a potent CE... I have often run it solo, and found cows dead
a
> > screen and a half away.
>
> By BS here you are referring to Bone Spirit, or Bone Spear? I have had
> Bone Spear maxed, but I have never really used Bone Spirit. What is the
> benefit? I believe that it can't really be targetted, which seems a
> drawback.
It always hits, does more damage, and will track a monster even if it
wanders off or teleports away.
>
> > Best advice I can give you is to find a guillaume's face and park it on
a
> > barb merc. That, along with a decent armor and sword will give you the
> > means to generate those first few corpses you need to start exploding
> > corpses.
>
> Something I have found is that unlike other characters, cold damage can
> be a hinderance to a skelemancer or CE necro... no bodies, no fuel for the
> machines of war.
Right, which is why I make sure my barb can't do any cold damage.
Mickey
Mike Graham
> It always hits, does more damage, and will track a monster even if it
> wanders off or teleports away.
Just as a little gloat, here, I just bought a Golemancer's Wand from
Malah. +3 to summoning skills and +5 to bone spirit. Hee hee. 8-)
Xocyll
Doh, i think you're right and i got wands and orbs mixed up.
Orbs get built in +skill points for sorcs, but it's heads for necros.
Xocyll
Mickey
news:addg0uo96t8529l7d...@4ax.com...
HOWEVER... You can find a grey (needed for runeword) 2 socket wand with +3
CE, +3 BS, +3 Skel mast, for example
Mickey
Mickey
news:%vKN7.314$z4.5...@news000.worldonline.dk...
> I expect that he is referring to a wand with the runeword WHITE (Made from
> DOL and IO).
>
> I see some of you mentioned crafting items, I thought they were disabled.
> Have I got something wrong here?
Some were, some weren't... sooooo
**ALERT** **ALERT** **ALERT**
For all you casters out there who do not yet know this:
You can still make lesser caster boots. The recipe is:
1 perfect amethyst
1 lame jewel of any type
1 thul rune
1 pair of magical plain old leather boots
The resultant boots with have +man mana, +mana regen, +mana, and 1-3 random
mods. Now, my necro has a pair of greater caster boots, which currently
cannot be made. They are 30% fast RW, 12% mana regen, 18% max mana, 18 mana
and 23%MF. I can't think of what would quallify as better boots for a necro,
sorc, elemental druid or any other caster.
Mickey
ald
<mickeybTI...@home.com> wrote:
>"ald" <10317...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>news:3c187078...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>> D*mn, I'd missed that. And using the three items that I have a ton of
>> and no use for, that's even better ;-) That's a plain pair of boots,
>> right?
>
>Yes, a magical pair... Act1 normal is the place ot buy them, although better
>purchased or gambled for a Gheed's.
>
Woohoo! Something tells me Creepy's going to be doing a *lot* of
crafting this week ;-)
>>
>> >Again, there is no wand like the white wand. If the wand you make it from
>> >has nice skills, it simply is 5 orders of magnitude better than any
>other.
>> >
>> >Mickey
>>
>> Ok, I've tried searching the Arreat Summit, but that one I can't find.
>> Is this another crafted item? How do you make this wand, and what does
>> it do?
>
>A 2 socket wand, and DOL-IO.
>
>From http://www.diabloii.net/items/runes/runewords-weapons.shtml
>
>Hit causes monster to flee 25%
>20% Faster Cast Rate
>Magic Damage Reduced by 4
>+13 to mana
>+10 to vitality
>+3 to bone and poison skills
>+4 to skeleton mastery
>+2 to bone spear
>+3 to bone armor
>
>and you also get whatever skills were on the wand to start with. This is an
>uber item for a necro, and the runes are not all that hard to annex. The
>tough part is finally settling on the 2 socket wand you will use.
>
>Mickey
At level 16 or 17, something tells me he has a while before Creepy
would be able to use that ;-) Nonetheless, he's probably the only
character on my primary account who has room in his stash, and there
are 3 characters (and 5 potential mules waiting to be created) on the
secondary account who have plenty, so I'll be looking out for
2-socketed wands to make this with. Thanks! :-)
Vladesch
>
> What are the various options for getting +skills for a necromancer? I
> am designing a necromancer build, and I am hoping to be able to come
> up with at least +4 or maybe +6 to my Necromancer skills, more if I
> can.
>
> Whats the max you can get? How easy is it to get +4 or more?
>
> What are some items you can get +skills from? Yes, I have looked at
> the Arreat summit, and some of the ones I have seen are:
>
> Weapon: +2 Necromancer Skills dagger or Wand, BlackHand Key,
> GravenSpine, Ume's Lament
There are so many +2 necro wands nowadays its crazy.
>
> Ring 1: +1 Stone of Jordan (I dont have any though)
>
> Ring 2: +1 Stone of Jordan (I dont have any though)
>
I think its possible to craft +1 nec rings, like +1 sorc rings. They require
some rare runes... check arreat summit.
> Amulet: +1 Eye of Eltich (spelling?), +2 Mara's Kaliedoscope, +1
> Necomancer Amulet, +2 Necromancer Amulet (level 90 monsters only?)
My necro uses a +2 ammy with teleport. Love being able to summon all your
minions to a particular spot instantly.
>
> Armor: +1 ViperMagi armor, +1 Silks of the Victor
Maybe id sacrifice the +1 skills for something a little more robust here.
>
> Helm: +1 Lore Helm, +1 Tarnhelm, +1 Necromancer Circlet, +2
> Necromancer Circlet (level 90 monsters only?)
Also peasant crown, and harlequin crest (+2 all skills, all classes) if you
can get one.
>
> Shield: +1 Sigon's, +2 Necromancer Homunculus
There are a lot of 2 necro heads and skulls out there. Just do meph runs for
a while if you dont have one already.
>
> Boots: none?
>
> Gloves: none?
>
> Belt: none?
I dont have +skills on any of these.
>
> So, I can see that +11 is possible ... can a Necromancer get higher
> than that in +skills? If so, how?
Charms.
Mickey
news:3c075215$0$10229$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> "Lewis W Beard" <le...@lwb.org> wrote in message
> news:c581d835.01112...@posting.google.com...
> > All,
> >
> > What are the various options for getting +skills for a necromancer? I
> > am designing a necromancer build, and I am hoping to be able to come
> > up with at least +4 or maybe +6 to my Necromancer skills, more if I
> > can.
> >
> > Whats the max you can get? How easy is it to get +4 or more?
> >
> > What are some items you can get +skills from? Yes, I have looked at
> > the Arreat summit, and some of the ones I have seen are:
> >
> > Weapon: +2 Necromancer Skills dagger or Wand, BlackHand Key,
> > GravenSpine, Ume's Lament
>
> There are so many +2 necro wands nowadays its crazy.
All of which pale in comparison to the white wand.
>
> >
> > Ring 1: +1 Stone of Jordan (I dont have any though)
> >
> > Ring 2: +1 Stone of Jordan (I dont have any though)
> >
>
> I think its possible to craft +1 nec rings, like +1 sorc rings. They
require
> some rare runes... check arreat summit.
They all suck.
>
> > Amulet: +1 Eye of Eltich (spelling?), +2 Mara's Kaliedoscope, +1
> > Necomancer Amulet, +2 Necromancer Amulet (level 90 monsters only?)
>
> My necro uses a +2 ammy with teleport. Love being able to summon all your
> minions to a particular spot instantly.
>
> >
> > Armor: +1 ViperMagi armor, +1 Silks of the Victor
>
> Maybe id sacrifice the +1 skills for something a little more robust here.
More robust than an armor that gives you 35% resist all and fast cast? Like
which, for example?
>
> >
> > Helm: +1 Lore Helm, +1 Tarnhelm, +1 Necromancer Circlet, +2
> > Necromancer Circlet (level 90 monsters only?)
>
> Also peasant crown, and harlequin crest (+2 all skills, all classes) if
you
> can get one.
Not as good as a tab specific hat with some nice mods.
>
> >
> > Shield: +1 Sigon's, +2 Necromancer Homunculus
>
> There are a lot of 2 necro heads and skulls out there. Just do meph runs
for
> a while if you dont have one already.
Also these tend to be less than ideal. A 1,08 Visc is far superior, for it's
+2 skills, extra blocking and faster blocking, and it's 80 life.
>
> >
> > Boots: none?
> >
> > Gloves: none?
> >
> > Belt: none?
>
> I dont have +skills on any of these.
That's because you can't :)
>
> >
> > So, I can see that +11 is possible ... can a Necromancer get higher
> > than that in +skills? If so, how?
>
> Charms.
again, you can easily get the tree of your choice to +10 or 11 without a
single charm
Mickey
Stephen van Ham
wrote:
(Re crafted caster boots)
>>Yes, a magical pair... Act1 normal is the place ot buy them, although better
>>purchased or gambled for a Gheed's.
>Woohoo! Something tells me Creepy's going to be doing a *lot* of
>crafting this week ;-)
And did he?
--
Syellica-AR - level 38 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
ShieldWolf
> On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 04:24:03 GMT, 10317...@compuserve.com (ald)
> wrote:
>
> (Re crafted caster boots)
>
> >>Yes, a magical pair... Act1 normal is the place ot buy them, although better
> >>purchased or gambled for a Gheed's.
>
> >Woohoo! Something tells me Creepy's going to be doing a *lot* of
> >crafting this week ;-)
>
> And did he?
Something tells me, no. I think he has been on realms about as much
as you have lately (unless you are hiding on an account I don't know
about these days).
ald gave me the site to download AR last night. I got it downloaded,
but not installed. It came highly recomended.
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 04:24:03 GMT, 10317...@compuserve.com (ald)
>wrote:
>
>(Re crafted caster boots)
>
>>>Yes, a magical pair... Act1 normal is the place ot buy them, although better
>>>purchased or gambled for a Gheed's.
>
>>Woohoo! Something tells me Creepy's going to be doing a *lot* of
>>crafting this week ;-)
>
>And did he?
No, *some*body got me going on the Ancestral Recall mod, I still
haven't gone back to the Realms (ready to go into the Palace now,
although I'll probably do at *least* one more Camel-hunting run ;-) ).
Stephen van Ham
wrote:
>>>Woohoo! Something tells me Creepy's going to be doing a *lot* of
>>>crafting this week ;-)
>>
>>And did he?
>
>No, *some*body got me going on the Ancestral Recall mod, I still
>haven't gone back to the Realms (ready to go into the Palace now,
>although I'll probably do at *least* one more Camel-hunting run ;-) ).
I see. Tell me who this cad is that's depriving you of some
well-earned battle.net field time, and I shall give him a stern
telling off.
--
Syellica-AR - level 40 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>I see. Tell me who this cad is that's depriving you of some
>well-earned battle.net field time, and I shall give him a stern
>telling off.
>
Lol :-)
>
>--
>Syellica-AR - level 40 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
Nice to see some movement here finally ;-) Sis-AR is still at level
42, but the experience bar is moving a *little* bit now that she's in
Act 3, and the Rogue leveled up from 35 to 36, so there's hope that
she'll actually level before Act 5 ;-) I'm planning on taking out
Diablo in the Swampy Pit, but of course I'll go into Act 4 for Izzy
and Heyfatso, at least in Normal. NM and Hell I'll still have to do at
*least* Izzy, I won't skip two skill points ;-)
Stephen van Ham
wrote:
>>--
>>Syellica-AR - level 40 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
>
>Nice to see some movement here finally ;-)
Yeah, sorry about that, I did an 'ald' and forgot to update the sig.
All fixed now.
--
Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>Yeah, sorry about that, I did an 'ald' and forgot to update the sig.
>All fixed now.
>
>
>
>--
>Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
D*mn, behind again ;-) Killing the Champion Diablo in the Swampy Pit
today took Sis-AR from halfway to level up to level 43, then killing
the Fanatic Diablo (apparently the last, since she said *something*
after killing him, but I didn't catch it, and I didn't see any others
around) got her about halfway to 44. Hmm, level 40 when you finish
Normal, huh? Apparently they didn't count on my slow playing style,
and being stubborn about clearing the Crypt before leaving Act 1 ;-)
tcells
>On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:23:38 +1300, Stephen van Ham
><sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
>>Yeah, sorry about that, I did an 'ald' and forgot to update the sig.
>>All fixed now.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
>
>D*mn, behind again ;-) Killing the Champion Diablo in the Swampy Pit
>today took Sis-AR from halfway to level up to level 43, then killing
>the Fanatic Diablo (apparently the last, since she said *something*
>after killing him, but I didn't catch it, and I didn't see any others
>around) got her about halfway to 44. Hmm, level 40 when you finish
>Normal, huh? Apparently they didn't count on my slow playing style,
>and being stubborn about clearing the Crypt before leaving Act 1 ;-)
>
ShieldWolf
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:23:38 +1300, Stephen van Ham
> <sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
> >Yeah, sorry about that, I did an 'ald' and forgot to update the sig.
> >All fixed now.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
>
> D*mn, behind again ;-) Killing the Champion Diablo in the Swampy Pit
> today took Sis-AR from halfway to level up to level 43, then killing
> the Fanatic Diablo (apparently the last, since she said *something*
> after killing him, but I didn't catch it, and I didn't see any others
> around) got her about halfway to 44. Hmm, level 40 when you finish
> Normal, huh? Apparently they didn't count on my slow playing style,
> and being stubborn about clearing the Crypt before leaving Act 1 ;-)
You two got me distracted from Bnet also. I loaded up AR last
Thursday and haven't been on Bnet since, thus Felina-AR was born.
Felina was level 10 before finding the entrance to the Den of Evil.
Those Nests provide good xp at that level. Still poking things with
an etherial javelin she found Corpsfire for a nice bit of startup
gear. I wondered if he dropped the same set every time so I started a
new game and killed him again. After selling all the gear except the
soj I realized it would make good merc gear too, so I killed him the
third time and hired a lvl 11 cold Sorc. My first Tarn was 50% and
the third was 47%. Not bad.
Wearing two soj's her javelin damage was improved a bit with lightning
and she set out after BloodRaven. The bow droped by BloodRaven
finally let her put away the javs and be a real bowazon. I skipped
the crypt in favor of rescuing Cain. When I came back later I decided
the crypt was just taking too long with the 4-24 bow I was using, so I
sent Felina on her way to Andy. She finished act one at level 21,
exactly half of the level ald got to, but still high for act 1. I
don't know how you did it unless you found a lot better bow than I
did.
Act 2 went well. She found the Ancient Tunnels at level 25 and came
out after clearing it once at level 31, just a hair away from 32.
Another nice place for xp. Duriel went down easily with a level 4
Valk to hold him down. Valks sure do last a lot longer in this mod.
Up to level 23 she was making do with mana pots and the extra mana
from the two sojs and Lynemo. But she finally cubed three rare rings
and got a rare ammy with 4% mana steal, which helped considerably.
Act 3 was a bit tedious. Still using the same bow I attempted the
Diablo's in the Swampy pit, where she met her first (and only, so far)
death. A couple more attempts and it became clear that this bow was
just not going to cut it for him, so I moved on to get him in Act 4.
The rest of the act went well, though slow with the low damage bow and
the high life of the monsters. I was mostly playing in players 2, but
a bit in players 4 and once or twice in players 1 when I wanted to get
past an area quickly. Since players 1 is like normal players 5,
players 2 was quite slow enough.
Somewhere in here she picked up Sigon's gloves and armor which she
used to replace the Twitch she was wearing. The 30% IAS and 10% life
steal helped quite a bit. I also cubed the Treads with a set pair of
boots to get a pair of 107% faster run boots, which made getting
around in Act 3 much easier.
In act 4 she finally replaced her bow with one bought from Jamella.
It was really not much better but had 5% chance for Amplify damage.
Unfortunately I never saw it work. I would see the curse casting
animation, but never the curse effect. :(
Diablo went down after many GA's and it was off to act 5. Here she
bought her current bow, a Short War Bow with 11-42 damage. After
killing Shank and Eldrich (both twice) she hit level 40.
Her current equipment is still pretty much as mentioned. Two sojs,
rare 4% mana leach ammy, Sigons gloves and armor, rare belt to replace
lynemo, crafted fast boots, 50% Tarn and the Short War Bow. Her stash
is filling up with runes and gems. She's still using the Cold Sorc
and he's helping much more than I expected. He's wearing some of the
nice gear I found along the way including Mosers shield and some
exceptional set armor I forgot the name of. I'm going to have to see
if I can get the mod to work on the Mac so I can create a mule for
these gems and runes. The rune drops are nice, having found a Ko in
Act 1.
I guess I needed a break from Bnet and this is working out nicely. I
recently started an Axe Barb (lvl 30 so far) and the Necro (level 44)
to keep me interested, but it wasn't working well. I'm not giving up
on Realms, but in AR I actually have a chance at finding a Windforce.
:)
ald
wrote:
>little purdy baby Diablo champs to play with? this trip does sound fun :)
No, more like Diablos on steroids, they're harder to kill than the
regular one, and the layout of the Disused Reliquary is quite a bit
different from the CS, so getting Guided to work without stepping into
his LBoD was even more of a challenge than usual ;-) The reward for
killing them in Act 3 is that you can skip all of Act 4, if you want,
along with a *huge* amount of experience points (half a level for each
at level 42 1/2 going into the battle). It *was* a lot of fun, if you
ignore the near heart attack I had when the second (Fanatic) one
showed up ;-)
tcells
>On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:36:56 +1100, "tcells" <tce...@Xcapmon.com>
>wrote:
>
>>little purdy baby Diablo champs to play with? this trip does sound fun :)
>
>No, more like Diablos on steroids, they're harder to kill than the
>regular one, and the layout of the Disused Reliquary is quite a bit
>different from the CS, so getting Guided to work without stepping into
>his LBoD was even more of a challenge than usual ;-) The reward for
>killing them in Act 3 is that you can skip all of Act 4, if you want,
>along with a *huge* amount of experience points (half a level for each
>at level 42 1/2 going into the battle). It *was* a lot of fun, if you
>ignore the near heart attack I had when the second (Fanatic) one
>showed up ;-)
>
heh it sounds like the not recommended area of V&K where there were 7 or so
of them on roids.
Does sound fun tho. How about a highly mod specific fanfic from you or SvH?
ald
wrote:
>heh it sounds like the not recommended area of V&K where there were 7 or so
>of them on roids.
>
7?!? More like 70 ;-) Remember, I Warped my way through those areas in
SP (and if you *don't* remember, some of the Spot Reports are on the
website in my sig, down at the bottom of the page) ;-)
>Does sound fun tho. How about a highly mod specific fanfic from you or SvH?
Funny you should mention that, I have a "players 8" specific fanfic in
the works, which may get released soon if I don't get any further
feedback from Stephen (admittedly, he deserves a *lot* of the credit
for it, as he wrote some major parts of it) ;-) I'm better at Spot
Reports, and while there were a couple of battles worthy of one early
on, there haven't been lately. I'll try to write up one when I come to
a battle that merits it again, though ;-)
tcells
>On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:55:05 +1100, "tcells" <tce...@Xcapmon.com>
>wrote:
>
>>heh it sounds like the not recommended area of V&K where there were 7 or
so
>>of them on roids.
>>
>
>7?!? More like 70 ;-) Remember, I Warped my way through those areas in
>SP (and if you *don't* remember, some of the Spot Reports are on the
>website in my sig, down at the bottom of the page) ;-)
heh I think I only saw the initial 7 angry Ds, that was enough - teleporting
through there didn't occur to me even less, appeal ;)
>
>>Does sound fun tho. How about a highly mod specific fanfic from you or
SvH?
>
>Funny you should mention that, I have a "players 8" specific fanfic in
>the works, which may get released soon if I don't get any further
>feedback from Stephen (admittedly, he deserves a *lot* of the credit
>for it, as he wrote some major parts of it) ;-) I'm better at Spot
>Reports, and while there were a couple of battles worthy of one early
>on, there haven't been lately. I'll try to write up one when I come to
>a battle that merits it again, though ;-)
great
Stephen van Ham
wrote:
>
>>Does sound fun tho. How about a highly mod specific fanfic from you or SvH?
>
>Funny you should mention that, I have a "players 8" specific fanfic in
>the works, which may get released soon if I don't get any further
>feedback from Stephen (admittedly, he deserves a *lot* of the credit
>for it, as he wrote some major parts of it) ;-)
You were waiting on me for the GO signal? Oops. You have to green
light. Gogogo. Potal plz. No wait, that's something else. Post
when ready.
>I'm better at Spot Reports, and while there were a couple of battles
>worthy of one early on, there haven't been lately. I'll try to write
>up one when I come to a battle that merits it again, though ;-)
I'd say that the Hell difficulty battle with Moe, Fanatic Diablo, the
Ancients, and Baal could be memorable, if we ever get that far.
--
Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
Fenzien-AR - level 18 Paladin, Ancestral Recall mod
Syellica - level 12 Assassin, Magic Guild realm
*SvH, *SvH2, *SvH3 on various D2 LoD realms.
ald
wrote:
>Something tells me, no. I think he has been on realms about as much
>as you have lately (unless you are hiding on an account I don't know
>about these days).
>
Possibly svh3?
>ald gave me the site to download AR last night. I got it downloaded,
>but not installed. It came highly recomended.
See, *this* one showed up, even if it *is* 6 days late. I sure hope
that rpgnewsgroups.com site allows you to post soon, since the DSL is
*finally* back up at work ;-)
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>You were waiting on me for the GO signal? Oops. You have to green
>light. Gogogo. Potal plz. No wait, that's something else. Post
>when ready.
Ok, I will, as soon as I can *find* it ;-)
>I'd say that the Hell difficulty battle with Moe, Fanatic Diablo, the
>Ancients, and Baal could be memorable, if we ever get that far.
Yeah, the battle with Moe in *Normal* would have been a good
candidate, if I'd thought about writing one up at the time. Suffice it
to say that she probably would have had an easier time if she'd waited
until she'd cleared Act 5, and thus been about 15 levels higher ;-)
The Ancients and Baal should be coming up shortly in Normal, the game
that I started last night is still up and running, with the first
waypoint in Act 4 found (stupid stubborn me, I'll probably end up
killing D again, just to see how much less difficult he is than the
Fanatic Diablo was. Unless she ups her current 5% resistance to
everything except fire (95%), she'll probably have a harder time
getting to him than beating him).
>--
>Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
>Fenzien-AR - level 18 Paladin, Ancestral Recall mod
Hmm, I can see where your playing time has been going here ;-)
>Syellica - level 12 Assassin, Magic Guild realm
And how's this working out?
Stephen van Ham
wrote:
>On 13 Dec 2001 08:05:49 -0800, rfth...@my-deja.com (ShieldWolf)
>wrote:
Okay, I never got this post. I guess my ISP's news server isn't
perfect. Still, it's all I have right now as I can no longer access
news.cis.dfn.de for some reason.
>>Something tells me, no.
No what?
>I think he has been on realms about as much
>>as you have lately (unless you are hiding on an account I don't know
>>about these days).
>Possibly svh3?
Hmmm, I really should check that account one day. Some of the
characters on *SvH2 and *SvH3 are in danger of expiring.
>>ald gave me the site to download AR last night. I got it downloaded,
>>but not installed. It came highly recomended.
>
>See, *this* one showed up, even if it *is* 6 days late. I sure hope
>that rpgnewsgroups.com site allows you to post soon, since the DSL is
>*finally* back up at work ;-)
--
Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
Fenzien-AR - level 21 Paladin, Ancestral Recall mod
Syellica - level 12 Assassin, Magic Guild realm
ald
wrote:
>You two got me distracted from Bnet also. I loaded up AR last
>Thursday and haven't been on Bnet since, thus Felina-AR was born.
>
Hmm, looks like I'll have to reply to this twice ;-)
>Felina was level 10 before finding the entrance to the Den of Evil.
Nice, I only made it to level 3 or so ;-)
>Those Nests provide good xp at that level. Still poking things with
>an etherial javelin she found Corpsfire for a nice bit of startup
>gear. I wondered if he dropped the same set every time so I started a
>new game and killed him again. After selling all the gear except the
>soj I realized it would make good merc gear too, so I killed him the
>third time and hired a lvl 11 cold Sorc. My first Tarn was 50% and
>the third was 47%. Not bad.
>
Yeah, he drops the same all the time, and I dropped the Tarn and the
Twitch (or was that from BloodRaven?) on a Rogue. With the +skills, I
had to get her a cold bow so that she'd chill the monsters all of the
time (she's a cold Rogue, but that Fire Arrow from the + skills wasn't
chilling), but she's firing off an occasional Freezing Arrow (usually
at *just* the right time), and I *think* I've seen Guideds coming from
her, too.
>Wearing two soj's her javelin damage was improved a bit with lightning
>and she set out after BloodRaven. The bow droped by BloodRaven
>finally let her put away the javs and be a real bowazon. I skipped
>the crypt in favor of rescuing Cain. When I came back later I decided
>the crypt was just taking too long with the 4-24 bow I was using, so I
>sent Felina on her way to Andy. She finished act one at level 21,
>exactly half of the level ald got to, but still high for act 1. I
>don't know how you did it unless you found a lot better bow than I
>did.
Nope, just stubborn ;-) Her two bows are both rares in about the 6-17
range, the primary with mana leech and the backup with life leech. The
Crypt *was* tough at first, until the levels started piling up and the
dex bonus really kicked in ;-)
>Act 2 went well. She found the Ancient Tunnels at level 25 and came
>out after clearing it once at level 31, just a hair away from 32.
Nice, at level 42 I wasn't getting any significant experience in there
at all :-(
>Another nice place for xp. Duriel went down easily with a level 4
>Valk to hold him down. Valks sure do last a lot longer in this mod.
Yeah, they scale to the players 10 level (since I'm always playing at
"players 2", except in the first game with Stephen, where I hadn't
read the readme file yet).
>Up to level 23 she was making do with mana pots and the extra mana
>from the two sojs and Lynemo. But she finally cubed three rare rings
>and got a rare ammy with 4% mana steal, which helped considerably.
>
I'll bet! ;-) Sis-AR is still using the Nokozan Relic, which along
with her Hotspur boots is what gives her that 95% Fire Resistance.
*Very* handy so far, she hasn't suffered any deaths since the later
stages of the Crypt (knocks on wooden head).
>Act 3 was a bit tedious. Still using the same bow I attempted the
>Diablo's in the Swampy pit, where she met her first (and only, so far)
>death. A couple more attempts and it became clear that this bow was
>just not going to cut it for him, so I moved on to get him in Act 4.
Two hours worth of Guideds with a lesser bow *did* eventually take
them down, but since I stupidly want to take on Heyfatso for the gems
and the rune, I'll probably go after him in Act 4, too ;-)
>The rest of the act went well, though slow with the low damage bow and
>the high life of the monsters. I was mostly playing in players 2, but
>a bit in players 4 and once or twice in players 1 when I wanted to get
>past an area quickly. Since players 1 is like normal players 5,
>players 2 was quite slow enough.
>
Agreed, as I'm always playing in players 2, as I mentioned above.
>Somewhere in here she picked up Sigon's gloves and armor which she
>used to replace the Twitch she was wearing. The 30% IAS and 10% life
>steal helped quite a bit. I also cubed the Treads with a set pair of
>boots to get a pair of 107% faster run boots, which made getting
>around in Act 3 much easier.
>
Nice! I got pretty lucky in Act 3, other than milling around for an
hour or so trying to find my way out of the Great Marsh. Once I found
the exit I'd missed, the Swampy Pit came up quickly, followed by the
waypoint and (just as I had to leave for work) the entrance to Lower
Kurast. I left the game running while I was gone and found the
waypoint in Lower Kurast pretty quickly once I got home ;-)
>In act 4 she finally replaced her bow with one bought from Jamella.
>It was really not much better but had 5% chance for Amplify damage.
>Unfortunately I never saw it work. I would see the curse casting
>animation, but never the curse effect. :(
>
I've been offered one or two of those, but can't afford to give up the
mana leech on the primary bow. Jamella also offered me a 3-23 bow with
mana leech, but it didn't have the 1-3 cold that the rare one has. I
opted for the slightly lower leech and the higher cold damage (have
one charm that adds cold, so I'm prepared to give up the bow
eventually).
>Diablo went down after many GA's and it was off to act 5. Here she
>bought her current bow, a Short War Bow with 11-42 damage. After
>killing Shank and Eldrich (both twice) she hit level 40.
>
>Her current equipment is still pretty much as mentioned. Two sojs,
>rare 4% mana leach ammy, Sigons gloves and armor, rare belt to replace
>lynemo, crafted fast boots, 50% Tarn and the Short War Bow. Her stash
>is filling up with runes and gems. She's still using the Cold Sorc
>and he's helping much more than I expected. He's wearing some of the
>nice gear I found along the way including Mosers shield and some
>exceptional set armor I forgot the name of. I'm going to have to see
>if I can get the mod to work on the Mac so I can create a mule for
>these gems and runes. The rune drops are nice, having found a Ko in
>Act 1.
>
I found that one, along with two of the ones just below that Pul in
Act 1. My stash is also pretty full of gems and runes, but remember
that you can cube any three like runes now, and any 3 perfect gems
cube into a perfect skull. I'll do that last one more once I replace
the gemmed bow I used to take out Moe with one that has perfect gems
in it (looking for two Rubies and an Emerald, have the Emerald and one
of the Rubies so far).
Don't forget to take out the Crypt when you go back for the Cow level
(which, with the waypoint, you can do to your hearts content. You
don't even need to get the leg, once you've beaten Baal (or Diablo?)
you just hit the waypoint and go down there. You should still get some
decent experience points if you decide to take on Moe, and the special
Andys have to be experienced at least once ;-)
>I guess I needed a break from Bnet and this is working out nicely. I
>recently started an Axe Barb (lvl 30 so far) and the Necro (level 44)
>to keep me interested, but it wasn't working well. I'm not giving up
>on Realms, but in AR I actually have a chance at finding a Windforce.
>:)
Or an Eaglehorn or a Burrito, here ;-) The thing that keeps drawing me
back to SP and mod games is the ability to do things like I did today,
find the City of the Damned waypoint just before I had to leave for
work, but since I didn't want to run into the LEB who was right beside
it (and only dropped a ruby!) again, leave the game running and I'll
come back to it when I'm done reading and posting in here. I do that
just about every night, makes it *much* easier to make progress in my
limited time in the morning than if I was playing on the Realms and
had to start over from the last waypoint. Of course, this would be
*so* much easier to do if Blizzard had left the "Save game" option in
SP, but we're not going to go into *that* rant again ;-)
Stephen van Ham
wrote:
>>--
>>Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
>>Fenzien-AR - level 18 Paladin, Ancestral Recall mod
>
>Hmm, I can see where your playing time has been going here ;-)
He's having a slower time of things than the assassin, since he's more
dependant on equipment. Right now he's getting by with a socketed
flail with a couple of topaz and a sapphire, with a variety of
different shields. He recently picked up a three socket Horadric,
which he'll fill with diamonds until he finds something better. He
mostly Zeals with the flail, although I've popped a few points into
Smite which he uses against LEB's and the like. Oh, and the sig is
out of date... he's actually level 25 now.
>>Syellica - level 12 Assassin, Magic Guild realm
>And how's this working out?
The Magic Guild realm seems to work just fine. I don't seem to have
the itch to play online much at the moment, hence the low level
character. I guess I can't blame battle.net for that. AR is still
good fun for me though, making a very nice chance from 'vanilla' D2,
which got a bit pretty plain for me after months and months of play.
--
Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
Fenzien-AR - level 21 Paladin, Ancestral Recall mod
Syellica - level 12 Assassin, Magic Guild realm
Stephen van Ham
wrote:
>Don't forget to take out the Crypt when you go back for the Cow level
>(which, with the waypoint, you can do to your hearts content. You
>don't even need to get the leg, once you've beaten Baal (or Diablo?)
>you just hit the waypoint and go down there.
I can't get the Cow Level waypoint to work for me. I'm pretty sure I
triggered it the first time around when I hit Black Marsh, but once I
killed Baal, the Cow Level waypoint was greyed out. After that I went
back to the Black Marsh and walked over the waypoint there and still
couldn't get to the Cow Level. When I got there the traditional way
(TP tome + Wirt's shin bone) I cleared the whole Cow Level and
couldn't find a waypoint there to trigger. What am I doing wrong?
--
Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
Mike
> Mickey wrote:
>
> > It always hits, does more damage, and will track a monster even if it
> > wanders off or teleports away.
>
> Just as a little gloat, here, I just bought a Golemancer's Wand from
> Malah. +3 to summoning skills and +5 to bone spirit. Hee hee. 8-)
Hahaha, my 'zon found a Burning Dead Grim Scythe! Is this pretty rare?
+140-180% Enhanced Damage(varies)
Adds 131-232 Fire Damage
+3 To Necromancer Skill Levels
50% Target Defense
+20% Enhanced Defense
+200-250 To Attack Rating(varies)
Fire Resist +45%
Requirements -50%
Attacker Takes Damage of 8
I haven't played Necro yet, but I'm looking forward to it!
Mike
O-
ShieldWolf
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:37:16 GMT, 10317...@compuserve.com (ald)
> wrote:
>
> >>--
> >>Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
> >>Fenzien-AR - level 18 Paladin, Ancestral Recall mod
> >
> >Hmm, I can see where your playing time has been going here ;-)
>
> He's having a slower time of things than the assassin, since he's more
> dependant on equipment. Right now he's getting by with a socketed
> flail with a couple of topaz and a sapphire, with a variety of
> different shields. He recently picked up a three socket Horadric,
> which he'll fill with diamonds until he finds something better. He
> mostly Zeals with the flail, although I've popped a few points into
> Smite which he uses against LEB's and the like. Oh, and the sig is
> out of date... he's actually level 25 now.
I cubed a rare +1 Pally amulet last night. I honestly can't remember
if I saved it or not since my storage space is so valuable, but you
can have it if you want. I don't remember the stats though.
ShieldWolf
I guess I just got impatient and didn't wait a full week for Google to
distribute my posts.
> Yeah, he drops the same all the time, and I dropped the Tarn and the
> Twitch (or was that from BloodRaven?) on a Rogue. With the +skills, I
> had to get her a cold bow so that she'd chill the monsters all of the
> time (she's a cold Rogue, but that Fire Arrow from the + skills wasn't
> chilling), but she's firing off an occasional Freezing Arrow (usually
> at *just* the right time), and I *think* I've seen Guideds coming from
> her, too.
I took the Sorc since it was available and I figured I had the arrow
shooting covered. Besides, I never use the Sorc and thought I'd give
him a chance. I replaced him with a Barb in Act 5 when I saw how many
cold resist monsters there were.
> Nope, just stubborn ;-) Her two bows are both rares in about the 6-17
> range, the primary with mana leech and the backup with life leech. The
> Crypt *was* tough at first, until the levels started piling up and the
> dex bonus really kicked in ;-)
Well, my bow was a bit better than yours, except for my constant need
for mana which kept me using normal attack all the time. :(
> >Act 2 went well. She found the Ancient Tunnels at level 25 and came
> >out after clearing it once at level 31, just a hair away from 32.
>
> Nice, at level 42 I wasn't getting any significant experience in there
> at all :-(
Not much down there to bother with except XP's. I wouldn't have
cleared it if I wasn't leveling so fast.
> >Act 3 was a bit tedious. Still using the same bow I attempted the
> >Diablo's in the Swampy pit, where she met her first (and only, so far)
> >death. A couple more attempts and it became clear that this bow was
> >just not going to cut it for him, so I moved on to get him in Act 4.
>
> Two hours worth of Guideds with a lesser bow *did* eventually take
> them down, but since I stupidly want to take on Heyfatso for the gems
> and the rune, I'll probably go after him in Act 4, too ;-)
I didn't have enough pots to last 10 minutes, much less two hours.
Being 20 levels lower probably affected my success here. BTW, Heph is
a seal boss now, not at the Forge, but you still have to kill him to
get the hammer. The Infector is at the Forge with 10,000 Iron Golems.
Bring lots of arrows. May as well do Diablo since you need to pop at
least one seal any way. ;)
> >Somewhere in here she picked up Sigon's gloves and armor which she
> >used to replace the Twitch she was wearing. The 30% IAS and 10% life
> >steal helped quite a bit. I also cubed the Treads with a set pair of
> >boots to get a pair of 107% faster run boots, which made getting
> >around in Act 3 much easier.
>
> Nice! I got pretty lucky in Act 3, other than milling around for an
> hour or so trying to find my way out of the Great Marsh. Once I found
> the exit I'd missed, the Swampy Pit came up quickly, followed by the
> waypoint and (just as I had to leave for work) the entrance to Lower
> Kurast. I left the game running while I was gone and found the
> waypoint in Lower Kurast pretty quickly once I got home ;-)
I missed the Great Marsh completely and felt no need to go hunting for
it.
> >In act 4 she finally replaced her bow with one bought from Jamella.
> >It was really not much better but had 5% chance for Amplify damage.
> >Unfortunately I never saw it work. I would see the curse casting
> >animation, but never the curse effect. :(
>
> I've been offered one or two of those, but can't afford to give up the
> mana leech on the primary bow. Jamella also offered me a 3-23 bow with
> mana leech, but it didn't have the 1-3 cold that the rare one has. I
> opted for the slightly lower leech and the higher cold damage (have
> one charm that adds cold, so I'm prepared to give up the bow
> eventually).
I believe I mentioned in email that I switched to a lower damage bow
with some poison. Last night I switched back. I needed the extra
physical damage for leach and the poison became insignificant as I
will explain below. ;)
> I found that one, along with two of the ones just below that Pul in
> Act 1. My stash is also pretty full of gems and runes, but remember
> that you can cube any three like runes now, and any 3 perfect gems
> cube into a perfect skull. I'll do that last one more once I replace
> the gemmed bow I used to take out Moe with one that has perfect gems
> in it (looking for two Rubies and an Emerald, have the Emerald and one
> of the Rubies so far).
Yes, I have done that a bit to relieve some space. It was painful,
but I actually cubed three Shaels. Is Moe in the Crypt in Act 1?
> Don't forget to take out the Crypt when you go back for the Cow level
> (which, with the waypoint, you can do to your hearts content. You
> don't even need to get the leg, once you've beaten Baal (or Diablo?)
> you just hit the waypoint and go down there. You should still get some
> decent experience points if you decide to take on Moe, and the special
> Andys have to be experienced at least once ;-)
Will do, althoug it may be a bit too easy in Normal at this point. ;)
> Or an Eaglehorn or a Burrito, here ;-) The thing that keeps drawing me
> back to SP and mod games is the ability to do things like I did today,
> find the City of the Damned waypoint just before I had to leave for
> work, but since I didn't want to run into the LEB who was right beside
> it (and only dropped a ruby!) again, leave the game running and I'll
> come back to it when I'm done reading and posting in here. I do that
> just about every night, makes it *much* easier to make progress in my
> limited time in the morning than if I was playing on the Realms and
> had to start over from the last waypoint. Of course, this would be
> *so* much easier to do if Blizzard had left the "Save game" option in
> SP, but we're not going to go into *that* rant again ;-)
I haven't done that yet, but I haven't had to clear too many things
twice.
Now for my update.
Last night I took the time to print out and look over the cube list.
My first "creation" was the scroll from Mara with a perfect skull (I
had two so far) to give me a +25% resist all Grand Charm. I then
cubed one of those major elemental damage Grand Charms from a charm
and three relativel low level runes. That alone pretty much trippled
my damage output. You *have* to make one of these.
I then did 2-3 Pin runs and got junk, so I continued with my questing.
I made my way to the Ancients Way and found the new Icy Cellar,
filled with Baals Minions. These guys are pretty nasty alone, but
they came in boss packs and the place was filled with them. My Barb
Merc didn't last long, but using FA helped him a bit. This place is
worth some more serious XP. I think she leveled up 5-6 times clearing
this area. Snapchip was a mean nasty LEB who Took may arrows, but was
no real problem since I trapped him across the water and kept that
little used spell "Slow Missiles" going while I GA'd him. He dropped
three rare jewels and a rare ammy and maybe a rune (not sure).
At one point I went back to town for some more arrows and stopped my
Mara for a quick healing. She was kind enough to hand me another
scroll since I had cubed mine instead of reading it. Very nice.
After finding a gem shrine to get my third perfect skull I now have
three +25% resist all Grand Charms, and I still have yet to read the
scroll.
I had forgotten that the new cow level was down there somewhere and I
missed it. I was running out of time, but went ahead and fought the
Ancients before heading to bed. I parked a decoy up my the WW guy and
touched the alter and ran back a bit. GA's took out the first two who
were distracted by my Valk and Barb. I then went to look for the
third and found him happily WW'ing away at my decoy. I really haven't
used decoy much in this mod but they must have many more HP's than in
normal LOD. He went down easily too. The drops were pretty good with
each one dropping 4-5 rares. The 2 Mil XP put the Zon up to level 56
and she is still in Normal. So much for the level 40 estimate. I
haven't cleared many areas and have repeated very few areas.
I guess I really should get on with it and head to NM. Maybe there I
can find a better bow. I'm sure I won't be doing much leveling for a
while in the early acts though. ;)
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:28:12 GMT, 10317...@compuserve.com (ald)
>wrote:
>
>>On 13 Dec 2001 08:05:49 -0800, rfth...@my-deja.com (ShieldWolf)
>>wrote:
>
>Okay, I never got this post. I guess my ISP's news server isn't
>perfect. Still, it's all I have right now as I can no longer access
>news.cis.dfn.de for some reason.
Ok, reposted for your enjoyment then, this one's from RGT through a
*very* lagging Google connection:
Stephen van Ham <sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:<8chg1uc70ikpc1vgl...@4ax.com>...
> On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 04:24:03 GMT, 10317...@compuserve.com (ald)
> wrote:
>
> (Re crafted caster boots)
>
> >>Yes, a magical pair... Act1 normal is the place ot buy them, although better
> >>purchased or gambled for a Gheed's.
>
> >Woohoo! Something tells me Creepy's going to be doing a *lot* of
> >crafting this week ;-)
>
> And did he?
Something tells me, no. I think he has been on realms about as much
as you have lately (unless you are hiding on an account I don't know
about these days).
ald gave me the site to download AR last night. I got it downloaded,
but not installed. It came highly recomended.
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>The Magic Guild realm seems to work just fine. I don't seem to have
>the itch to play online much at the moment, hence the low level
>character. I guess I can't blame battle.net for that. AR is still
>good fun for me though, making a very nice chance from 'vanilla' D2,
>which got a bit pretty plain for me after months and months of play.
>
Ok, let me know when you get back to playing on it, I'll follow in
your wake once again ;-) AR *is* a lot of fun ATM, I *really* should
have known what was going to pop out of the third seal in the CS last
night, considering what was around the Hellforge, but, silly me, I
expected a new Succubus boss instead ;-) Oh, and the regular Diablo
was *much* easier than the Fanatic, he took just a hair over 700
arrows, and dropped her a *much* higher damage rare Edge bow,
conveniently socketed so that she could drop a skull into it and get
her mana (and life) leech :-)
Stephen van Ham
(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
said:
>AR *is* a lot of fun ATM, I *really* should
>have known what was going to pop out of the third seal in the CS last
>night, considering what was around the Hellforge, but, silly me, I
>expected a new Succubus boss instead ;-)
That reminds me... I should go find the Hell forge at some point.
The Hell forge Hammer and Mephie's soul stone are taking up space I
could be using for my runes collection.
>Oh, and the regular Diablo
>was *much* easier than the Fanatic, he took just a hair over 700
>arrows, and dropped her a *much* higher damage rare Edge bow,
>conveniently socketed so that she could drop a skull into it and get
>her mana (and life) leech :-)
So far I've only taken on regular Diablo with the assassin, who of
course was very easy pickings, since doesn't need decent equipment to
get her offense going. In the AR mod, her Lightning Sentry traps are
doing 500+ max damage per shot per trap, and the skill isn't even
maxed yet!
--
Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
Fenzien-AR - level 31 Paladin, Ancestral Recall mod
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>I can't get the Cow Level waypoint to work for me. I'm pretty sure I
>triggered it the first time around when I hit Black Marsh, but once I
>killed Baal, the Cow Level waypoint was greyed out. After that I went
>back to the Black Marsh and walked over the waypoint there and still
>couldn't get to the Cow Level. When I got there the traditional way
>(TP tome + Wirt's shin bone) I cleared the whole Cow Level and
>couldn't find a waypoint there to trigger. What am I doing wrong?
Hmm, I don't know :-( Have you tried hitting the waypoint again now
that you've cubed the entrance open? When I was experimenting to see
if Sis could play in this mod, she was able to hit the waypoint
immediately (but still ended the game when she killed her first cow),
but she *did* open the Cow level in Normal before.
Stephen van Ham
(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
said:
>>I can't get the Cow Level waypoint to work for me. I'm pretty sure I
>>triggered it the first time around when I hit Black Marsh, but once I
>>killed Baal, the Cow Level waypoint was greyed out. After that I went
>>back to the Black Marsh and walked over the waypoint there and still
>>couldn't get to the Cow Level. When I got there the traditional way
>>(TP tome + Wirt's shin bone) I cleared the whole Cow Level and
>>couldn't find a waypoint there to trigger. What am I doing wrong?
>
>Hmm, I don't know :-( Have you tried hitting the waypoint again now
>that you've cubed the entrance open? When I was experimenting to see
>if Sis could play in this mod, she was able to hit the waypoint
>immediately (but still ended the game when she killed her first cow),
>but she *did* open the Cow level in Normal before.
I'll try it now. The game is just an Alt+Tab away so I'll have a
look...
Nope, the Secret Cow Level way point is greyed out, even though I've
stepped on the way point marker in the Black Marsh at least twice.
Okay, I'll try going via Black Marsh...
Nope, that didn't work either. The Secret Cow Level way point is
still greyed out.
--
Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
Fenzien-AR - level 31 Paladin, Ancestral Recall mod
Stephen van Ham
(ShieldWolf) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what
was said:
>I cubed a rare +1 Pally amulet last night. I honestly can't remember
>if I saved it or not since my storage space is so valuable, but you
>can have it if you want. I don't remember the stats though.
Thanks. I'd like to check it out, if you still have it. I have a
+2 skills, 10% faster cast, +5 minimum damage, +45 life, +15 mana,
fire resistance +23% amulet waiting for him when he reaches level 67,
but it'll be a while before he gets that far. He could certainly use
something in the interim.
--
Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin, Ancestral Recall mod
Fenzien-AR - level 31 Paladin, Ancestral Recall mod
ald
wrote:
>I took the Sorc since it was available and I figured I had the arrow
>shooting covered. Besides, I never use the Sorc and thought I'd give
>him a chance. I replaced him with a Barb in Act 5 when I saw how many
>cold resist monsters there were.
>
Ruh roh! ;-( And here I thought I was in the clear on that particular
point, since they replaced the ones that end up being Cold Immune (in
Hell) in the Bloody Foothills with Clay Golems ;-)
>Well, my bow was a bit better than yours, except for my constant need
>for mana which kept me using normal attack all the time. :(
>
Actually, I think I was still using the 5% life leech, +1 to mana
after each kill bow (which became my backup until Diablo's drop) that
I found at the end of that first game with Stephen, at least when I
started in the Crypt. Come to think of it, I *know* that was still the
primary when I was up against Moe, 'cause I was running up to town to
refill my mana, after using *all* of my mana potions, before I gemmed
a bow to use on him.
>Not much down there to bother with except XP's. I wouldn't have
>cleared it if I wasn't leveling so fast.
>
Yeah, I'd looked forward to that area because the readme said that it
dropped Act 5 items, but the only Act 5 types that I found were Super
Healing and Mana potions :-(
>I didn't have enough pots to last 10 minutes, much less two hours.
>Being 20 levels lower probably affected my success here. BTW, Heph is
>a seal boss now, not at the Forge, but you still have to kill him to
>get the hammer. The Infector is at the Forge with 10,000 Iron Golems.
> Bring lots of arrows. May as well do Diablo since you need to pop at
>least one seal any way. ;)
>
*Now* you tell me ;-) Interesting, the Infector dropped a Hellforge
Hammer for me (and Strafe and Guided both at 170% damage took out him
and his golems without having to use *too* many arrows ;-) ) and then
Heyfatso dropped another. I'd have been pretty pissed if I had to go
all the way back to the Hellforge from the CS, since I *think* I shut
down the game for a while (or at least thought about it) after
backtracking from the River WP to find the Hellforge. As noted
elsewhere, Diablo was *much* easier than his Fanatic brother, only
took a little more than 700 arrows (silly me, I put the other 1050
into my stash before the battle, so I had to switch the arrows from my
backup bow in the final moments). He managed to take out Abhaya, my
Rogue, about halfway through the battle, but the Valk (gotta love +3
to all skills from the get-go ;-) ) managed to stay alive long enough
to keep him pinned in the corner, and allow me to leech (much more
than) enough mana to recast her at will.
>I missed the Great Marsh completely and felt no need to go hunting for
>it.
>
I'd have had no problems with skipping it, but on my map it was
between the Spider Forest and the Flayer Jungle ;-)
>I believe I mentioned in email that I switched to a lower damage bow
>with some poison. Last night I switched back. I needed the extra
>physical damage for leach and the poison became insignificant as I
>will explain below. ;)
Heehee, yeah, *and* in the part I just snipped ;-)
>Yes, I have done that a bit to relieve some space. It was painful,
>but I actually cubed three Shaels. Is Moe in the Crypt in Act 1?
Ayup, Jail level 1 (I think) or 2.
>Will do, althoug it may be a bit too easy in Normal at this point. ;)
>
Believe me, he *won't* be easy, not if he hits you ;-) If, on the
other hand, you can Guided him *without* accidentally letting him out
of his room, he may still be worth a fair amount of experience points.
>Now for my update.
>
>Last night I took the time to print out and look over the cube list.
>My first "creation" was the scroll from Mara with a perfect skull (I
>had two so far) to give me a +25% resist all Grand Charm. I then
>cubed one of those major elemental damage Grand Charms from a charm
>and three relativel low level runes. That alone pretty much trippled
>my damage output. You *have* to make one of these.
>
Hmm, sounds like I need to read the cube list again ;-) I'm still
flirting with death as far as resists, as has become my way. The 95%
fire resistance from the Hotspur Boots and the (N-something, not in
game now so I can't easily look it up) Am *has* come in handy, but I
dropped the 5% to all from the Lenymo for another of D's drops, a
4-row belt with 34 to life and 30 poison resistance. Cold and
Lightning are now back at 0%, although I didn't have *too* hard a time
in the River and the CS (despite the fact that there *were* OKs in
both) with 5%. I'll have to check out the elemental damage ones,
though, I have a bunch of low level ones taking up *way* too much room
in my pack ;-)
>I then did 2-3 Pin runs and got junk, so I continued with my questing.
> I made my way to the Ancients Way and found the new Icy Cellar,
>filled with Baals Minions. These guys are pretty nasty alone, but
>they came in boss packs and the place was filled with them. My Barb
>Merc didn't last long, but using FA helped him a bit. This place is
>worth some more serious XP. I think she leveled up 5-6 times clearing
>this area. Snapchip was a mean nasty LEB who Took may arrows, but was
>no real problem since I trapped him across the water and kept that
>little used spell "Slow Missiles" going while I GA'd him. He dropped
>three rare jewels and a rare ammy and maybe a rune (not sure).
>
>At one point I went back to town for some more arrows and stopped my
>Mara for a quick healing. She was kind enough to hand me another
>scroll since I had cubed mine instead of reading it. Very nice.
>After finding a gem shrine to get my third perfect skull I now have
>three +25% resist all Grand Charms, and I still have yet to read the
>scroll.
>
Nice! Maybe it's time to rethink my resistance strategy, although
clearing room in the pack for 3 Grand Charms might prove difficult ;-)
>I had forgotten that the new cow level was down there somewhere and I
>missed it.
I thought that was somewhere down *in* the Icy Cellar? Maybe I'm wrong
;-)
>I was running out of time, but went ahead and fought the
>Ancients before heading to bed. I parked a decoy up my the WW guy and
>touched the alter and ran back a bit. GA's took out the first two who
>were distracted by my Valk and Barb. I then went to look for the
>third and found him happily WW'ing away at my decoy. I really haven't
>used decoy much in this mod but they must have many more HP's than in
>normal LOD. He went down easily too. The drops were pretty good with
>each one dropping 4-5 rares. The 2 Mil XP put the Zon up to level 56
>and she is still in Normal. So much for the level 40 estimate. I
>haven't cleared many areas and have repeated very few areas.
>
Hmm, I thought the Decoy was just an exact replica of you, including
resists and HPs? Mine (which *do* get some use) do seem to last longer
than usual, but I put that down to the +3 skills (which add to the
time *if* she doesn't get hit enough to wipe her out). Maybe you're
right, the Decoy certainly lasted a *lot* longer than I expected
against DeSeis last night, although I don't think the one against the
Grand Vizier lasted all that long ;-)
The only thing I can figure for the level 40 estimate is that they
figured people would play it like on the Realms, using the Staff
shortcut and the killing of D in Act 3 to skip major parts of the game
(and *not* go into the Crypt).
>I guess I really should get on with it and head to NM. Maybe there I
>can find a better bow. I'm sure I won't be doing much leveling for a
>while in the early acts though. ;)
Like that will be anything new? ;-) Try killing D again, he did drop
me a nice rare Edge bow, forget the exact damage but it was *much*
higher than mine (IIRC the minimum was at or better than the max I
had) and had a socket that a Perfect skull fit in nicely to fill the
leeching needs for now ;-)
Stephen van Ham
(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
said:
>*Now* you tell me ;-) Interesting, the Infector dropped a Hellforge
>Hammer for me (and Strafe and Guided both at 170% damage
Ahem. I recall asking you in our last game whether there were any
changes to the amazon skills, to which I'm pretty sure you answered in
the negative. Needless to say, I was pleasantly surprised to find
that even a level 1 Strafe provides a +40% damage bonus. Very nice
indeed. Maybe I'll max it. And keep Vitality at the base level.
That'll keep both you and tcells happy, I'm sure. I've never played a
0 Vit Strafazon before. It's still Cast Valk, Shoot, Shoot, Shoot,
right? :-)
--
Characters in the Ancestral Recall mod:
Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin
Fenzien-AR - level 31 Paladin
Danzaelle-AR - level 10 Bowazon
tcells
Stephen van Ham wrote in message ...
>And thus, on Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:49:16 GMT, 10317...@compuserve.com
>(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
>said:
>
>>*Now* you tell me ;-) Interesting, the Infector dropped a Hellforge
>>Hammer for me (and Strafe and Guided both at 170% damage
>
>Ahem. I recall asking you in our last game whether there were any
>changes to the amazon skills, to which I'm pretty sure you answered in
>the negative. Needless to say, I was pleasantly surprised to find
>that even a level 1 Strafe provides a +40% damage bonus. Very nice
>indeed. Maybe I'll max it. And keep Vitality at the base level.
>That'll keep both you and tcells happy, I'm sure. I've never played a
>0 Vit Strafazon before. It's still Cast Valk, Shoot, Shoot, Shoot,
>right? :-)
>
hehe you'll make yourself happy :) Although with the way you guys are
describing this mod, I think I'd be tempted to put vit up about 60.
RGT
>point, since they replaced the ones that end up being Cold Immune (in
>Hell) in the Bloody Foothills with Clay Golems ;-)
Well, the guys in the cavern areas are still there and the big fuzzy
"Bumbles". They aren't immune and FA can still freeze them, in Normal
at least.
>Yeah, I'd looked forward to that area because the readme said that it
>dropped Act 5 items, but the only Act 5 types that I found were Super
>Healing and Mana potions :-(
I don't recall finding any thing useful there either.
>>I didn't have enough pots to last 10 minutes, much less two hours.
>>Being 20 levels lower probably affected my success here. BTW, Heph is
>>a seal boss now, not at the Forge, but you still have to kill him to
>>get the hammer. The Infector is at the Forge with 10,000 Iron Golems.
>> Bring lots of arrows. May as well do Diablo since you need to pop at
>>least one seal any way. ;)
>>
>*Now* you tell me ;-) Interesting, the Infector dropped a Hellforge
>Hammer for me (and Strafe and Guided both at 170% damage took out him
>and his golems without having to use *too* many arrows ;-) ) and then
>Heyfatso dropped another. I'd have been pretty pissed if I had to go
>all the way back to the Hellforge from the CS, since I *think* I shut
>down the game for a while (or at least thought about it) after
>backtracking from the River WP to find the Hellforge. As noted
>elsewhere, Diablo was *much* easier than his Fanatic brother, only
>took a little more than 700 arrows (silly me, I put the other 1050
>into my stash before the battle, so I had to switch the arrows from my
>backup bow in the final moments). He managed to take out Abhaya, my
>Rogue, about halfway through the battle, but the Valk (gotta love +3
>to all skills from the get-go ;-) ) managed to stay alive long enough
>to keep him pinned in the corner, and allow me to leech (much more
>than) enough mana to recast her at will.
Don't recast at Will, recast at Diablo. Sorry, I work with a guy
named Will and he really makes me appreciate the phrase "Fire at
Will".
The Infector apparently drops the hammer when he's in a good mood, but
he didn't give me one. I had to backtrack after killing Heph, before
facing Diablo. I was surprised that Heph came out of the seal alone
instead of with a crowd of minion Hephs.
>>Yes, I have done that a bit to relieve some space. It was painful,
>>but I actually cubed three Shaels. Is Moe in the Crypt in Act 1?
>
>Ayup, Jail level 1 (I think) or 2.
>
>>Will do, althoug it may be a bit too easy in Normal at this point. ;)
>>
>
>Believe me, he *won't* be easy, not if he hits you ;-) If, on the
>other hand, you can Guided him *without* accidentally letting him out
>of his room, he may still be worth a fair amount of experience points.
Well, I did finish Baal off and went back to do both cow levels.
Nothing really worth keeping and not much XP either. Unfortunately I
dumped several items I was saving on the ground to cube some stuff and
forgot to get it before exiting the game. :( The only significant
loss was a TalRasha Mask I should have been wearing instead of the
Tarn.
I then decided to head on into NM and do the Crypt there instead of
Normal. I managed to get down to the Jail level 1 WP. Now I see what
you were up against. I only got the Zon killed once but it was slow
going with much recasting of Valk and several Barb deaths. Time to
start looking for Moe.
>Hmm, sounds like I need to read the cube list again ;-) I'm still
>flirting with death as far as resists, as has become my way. The 95%
>fire resistance from the Hotspur Boots and the (N-something, not in
>game now so I can't easily look it up) Am *has* come in handy, but I
>dropped the 5% to all from the Lenymo for another of D's drops, a
>4-row belt with 34 to life and 30 poison resistance. Cold and
>Lightning are now back at 0%, although I didn't have *too* hard a time
>in the River and the CS (despite the fact that there *were* OKs in
>both) with 5%. I'll have to check out the elemental damage ones,
>though, I have a bunch of low level ones taking up *way* too much room
>in my pack ;-)
I replaced a few lower level ones with the Grand charms. Now I have
four Grand and one large and one small. I'm not sure what my
resistances are in NM, but they are at least 45% all after I finally
read the fourth scroll. ;)
>I thought that was somewhere down *in* the Icy Cellar? Maybe I'm wrong
>;-)
It's in that area somewhere. I still have trouble remembering the
layout.
>Hmm, I thought the Decoy was just an exact replica of you, including
>resists and HPs? Mine (which *do* get some use) do seem to last longer
>than usual, but I put that down to the +3 skills (which add to the
>time *if* she doesn't get hit enough to wipe her out). Maybe you're
>right, the Decoy certainly lasted a *lot* longer than I expected
>against DeSeis last night, although I don't think the one against the
>Grand Vizier lasted all that long ;-)
I thought it was supposed to be a replica too, but I doubt I could
have lived through those WW"s that long.
>The only thing I can figure for the level 40 estimate is that they
>figured people would play it like on the Realms, using the Staff
>shortcut and the killing of D in Act 3 to skip major parts of the game
>(and *not* go into the Crypt).
Well, I didn't do the crypt and still finished at level 56.
>>I guess I really should get on with it and head to NM. Maybe there I
>>can find a better bow. I'm sure I won't be doing much leveling for a
>>while in the early acts though. ;)
>
>Like that will be anything new? ;-) Try killing D again, he did drop
>me a nice rare Edge bow, forget the exact damage but it was *much*
>higher than mine (IIRC the minimum was at or better than the max I
>had) and had a socket that a Perfect skull fit in nicely to fill the
>leeching needs for now ;-)
I did manage to come across a bow with 16-44 or so damage to help out,
but with only 4% leach it is having trouble keeping up with the mana
still. GA is no problem since it only costs 1 mana, but Strafe has
problems.
Randy
dave...@spamcop.net
> Well, the guys in the cavern areas are still there and the big fuzzy
> "Bumbles". They aren't immune and FA can still freeze them, in Normal
> at least.
AH! *that* is why that guy looks familiar. I'll have to ask my 3 year old
daughter if she recognizes them next time I'm in that area.
Dave "His nose blinks like a blinkin' beacon!" Hinz
Stephen van Ham
<tce...@Xcapmon.com> cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this
is what was said:
>>I've never played a 0 Vit Strafazon before. It's still Cast Valk,
>>Shoot, Shoot, Shoot, right? :-)
>hehe you'll make yourself happy :) Although with the way you guys are
>describing this mod, I think I'd be tempted to put vit up about 60.
Andariel was certainly an interesting lady with a minimal Life ball.
One quick volley of green puffballs and I was running back towards
town screaming like a little girl, chugging the reds and antidote
potions and hoping for the best.
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>I'll try it now. The game is just an Alt+Tab away so I'll have a
>look...
>
>Nope, the Secret Cow Level way point is greyed out, even though I've
>stepped on the way point marker in the Black Marsh at least twice.
>
>Okay, I'll try going via Black Marsh...
>
>Nope, that didn't work either. The Secret Cow Level way point is
>still greyed out.
Hmm, I'm running out of ideas :-( Ok, last couple before I give up and
say I'll see what's up when I get there (which *may* still be a while,
I found the first underground waypoint in Act 5 this morning, but
couldn't for the *life* of me find the one in the Arreat Plateau, and
I'm going to have to go back at some point and rescue the Barbs, since
I didn't even see one on my trip through there): You said you'd cubed
the entrance open, right? Assuming you didn't kill the King, try doing
it again and, with the entrance open, check the waypoints. That
probably won't work, but this other one *may*: Still with the entrance
open, try going to the Black Marsh and coming through there and see if
you can step back to the Cow level. If *that* doesn't work, you may
have to find the stupid waypoint in the level (I promise you it *was*
there in Sis's game), or write to the author of the mod and see if
*he* has any ideas.
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>Ahem. I recall asking you in our last game whether there were any
>changes to the amazon skills, to which I'm pretty sure you answered in
>the negative.
Yes, you did, and yes, I said that, but that *was* my first game and I
got to what, level 12 in it? So I hadn't noticed yet, sue me ;-) Both
Strafe and Guided now add 10% damage per skill level, so when maxed
they're over 200%.
>Needless to say, I was pleasantly surprised to find
>that even a level 1 Strafe provides a +40% damage bonus. Very nice
>indeed. Maybe I'll max it. And keep Vitality at the base level.
>That'll keep both you and tcells happy, I'm sure. I've never played a
>0 Vit Strafazon before. It's still Cast Valk, Shoot, Shoot, Shoot,
>right? :-)
Never played a 0 Vit *anything* before (and probably never will, the
habit of adding one point per level is *way* too strong ;-) ), but
yeah, that sums up the life of a Strafazon pretty well. Oh, you forgot
one thing: Cast Decoy when the Valk is too busy polishing her nails to
bother to come over while the monsters are swarming you ;-)
ald
>Although with the way you guys are
>describing this mod, I think I'd be tempted to put vit up about 60.
>
Yeah, and since Xocyll says you *need* the +25% health charms in NM
and Hell, I'm not sure 0 Vit is the way to go :-(
ald
>The Infector apparently drops the hammer when he's in a good mood, but
>he didn't give me one. I had to backtrack after killing Heph, before
>facing Diablo. I was surprised that Heph came out of the seal alone
>instead of with a crowd of minion Hephs.
>
Yeah, me too, I had the Decoy up and everything, but like I said I was
expecting a boss pack of Succubi ;-)
>Well, I did finish Baal off and went back to do both cow levels.
>Nothing really worth keeping and not much XP either. Unfortunately I
>dumped several items I was saving on the ground to cube some stuff and
>forgot to get it before exiting the game. :( The only significant
>loss was a TalRasha Mask I should have been wearing instead of the
>Tarn.
>
Ouch :-( Were *you* able to use the waypoint to get to the Cow level?
And I guess all of the HB stuff that you need for all of those Cube
recipes doesn't drop until NM or Hell, huh?
>I then decided to head on into NM and do the Crypt there instead of
>Normal. I managed to get down to the Jail level 1 WP. Now I see what
>you were up against. I only got the Zon killed once but it was slow
>going with much recasting of Valk and several Barb deaths. Time to
>start looking for Moe.
Just don't let him out of his room (assuming he's in one like he was
when I found him) and get something with elemental damage (half an
hour into the battle, with all of my mana gone from Guideds and both
deaths already past me, his life bar hadn't even *moved*. I switched
to a Gemmed bow at that point, and while it *did* move slowly, at
least it started moving), and use GA, he likes to move around a *lot*.
>I replaced a few lower level ones with the Grand charms. Now I have
>four Grand and one large and one small. I'm not sure what my
>resistances are in NM, but they are at least 45% all after I finally
>read the fourth scroll. ;)
>
Huh? I thought you were making 25% resist all Grand Charms with it?
>It's in that area somewhere. I still have trouble remembering the
>layout.
Ok, it may be cheating, but the maps are on the site, I use them
liberally ;-)
It's actually in the Drifter Canyon or some such, easy to miss if
you're not using the maps and/or exploring everywhere.
>I thought it was supposed to be a replica too, but I doubt I could
>have lived through those WW"s that long.
Yeah, I don't think I would have survived as long as she did against
De Seis, especially with only 5% resistance to everything except Fire,
but like I said she went down pretty quickly against the Grand Vizier,
so I'm not sure what's going on there ;-)
>Well, I didn't do the crypt and still finished at level 56.
>
My experience bar started moving again as soon as I got underground in
Act 5 this morning, she's now level 44 and moving up again (and the
Rogue is either level 42 or 43, *her* experience bar started moving
again long before mine did) :-)
>I did manage to come across a bow with 16-44 or so damage to help out,
>but with only 4% leach it is having trouble keeping up with the mana
>still. GA is no problem since it only costs 1 mana, but Strafe has
>problems.
>Randy
Hmm, I'm not having too much problems there, and I only have 3% from
the perfect skull. Your bow is a little better than mine, too, I
checked last night/this morning, IIRC it's 12-36. Maybe it's a playing
style thing, since I've always used Strafe primarily I've learned to
switch to the left button (used to be Normal Attack, now Guided) when
there are less than 3 monsters on the screen. Also, what level Strafe
do you have? There was a point relatively early (level 6 or 7?
Somewhere around there) where adding *one* extra point made all the
difference in the world, I was suddenly gaining mana against smaller
packs instead of losing it ;-)
Stephen van Ham
(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
said:
>>Although with the way you guys are
>>describing this mod, I think I'd be tempted to put vit up about 60.
>Yeah, and since Xocyll says you *need* the +25% health charms in NM
>and Hell, I'm not sure 0 Vit is the way to go :-(
Well, today Danzaelle, thanks to her low Vitality design, gained the
dubious distinction of being my first character to be slain... by a
trap. I guess the high offense, low defense plan blew up in her
face... literally.
--
Characters in the Ancestral Recall mod:
Syellica-AR - level 51 Assassin
Fenzien-AR - level 31 Paladin
Danzaelle-AR - level 25 Bowazon
Stephen van Ham
(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
said:
>>Okay, I'll try going via Black Marsh...
>>
>>Nope, that didn't work either. The Secret Cow Level way point is
>>still greyed out.
>
>Hmm, I'm running out of ideas :-( Ok, last couple before I give up and
>say I'll see what's up when I get there (which *may* still be a while,
>I found the first underground waypoint in Act 5 this morning, but
>couldn't for the *life* of me find the one in the Arreat Plateau, and
>I'm going to have to go back at some point and rescue the Barbs, since
>I didn't even see one on my trip through there): You said you'd cubed
>the entrance open, right? Assuming you didn't kill the King, try doing
>it again and, with the entrance open, check the waypoints.
Hmmm, quite possibly I *did* kill the King, since I quite possibly
said to myself, 'self, you can kill the King, since the readme file
says you can kill the King since there's a waypoint, which you
activated in Black Marsh.' Now, it's also quite possible that I
*didn't* listen to myself though. Sometimes it's best to ignore ones
self in order to filter out some of the excess noise and general
insaneness that is sometimes to be found there.
Self, shut up now. Okay.
Stephen van Ham
(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
said:
>>I did manage to come across a bow with 16-44 or so damage to help out,
>>but with only 4% leach it is having trouble keeping up with the mana
>>still. GA is no problem since it only costs 1 mana, but Strafe has
>>problems.
That's a lot better than my bow, but then again, I'm still only in act
2/normal. I started off using the Vidala's Barb that BloodRaven
dropped and then, later on once I needed some mana steal, upgraded to
a long bow with two skulls and a perfect topaz. After that I started
using up my cash gambling on long battle bows, the most recent of
which is 4-23 damage, 21 poison over 4 seconds, and 5% mana steal.
Very useful. I also gambled another LBB that does over 30 max
damage, but that one doesn't have any mana steal, so it's not that
useful for me at the moment since I don't have any mana steal from
other items yet.
>Hmm, I'm not having too much problems there, and I only have 3% from
>the perfect skull. Your bow is a little better than mine, too, I
>checked last night/this morning, IIRC it's 12-36. Maybe it's a playing
>style thing, since I've always used Strafe primarily I've learned to
>switch to the left button (used to be Normal Attack, now Guided) when
>there are less than 3 monsters on the screen. Also, what level Strafe
>do you have?
The level of Critical Strike could have a bearing as well, since its
percentage increase has been ramped up.
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>Well, today Danzaelle, thanks to her low Vitality design, gained the
>dubious distinction of being my first character to be slain... by a
>trap. I guess the high offense, low defense plan blew up in her
>face... literally.
Darn, I wish I'd been in that game, I still think the message I would
see should read "Danzaelle was killed by WTF" ;-)
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>The level of Critical Strike could have a bearing as well, since its
>percentage increase has been ramped up.
Yeah, rather dramatically ;-) At level 6 with items (I usually push it
to level 7 to get 49%) it's at 72%, although it's already at the point
of diminishing returns, since the next level only adds another 2%.
Stephen van Ham
(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
said:
>>Well, today Danzaelle, thanks to her low Vitality design, gained the
>>dubious distinction of being my first character to be slain... by a
>>trap. I guess the high offense, low defense plan blew up in her
>>face... literally.
>
>Darn, I wish I'd been in that game, I still think the message I would
>see should read "Danzaelle was killed by WTF" ;-)
Following a later death where one spark from an LEB killed her as
well, I chickened out and put the next four level ups worth of stat
points in Vitality.
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>Hmmm, quite possibly I *did* kill the King, since I quite possibly
>said to myself, 'self, you can kill the King, since the readme file
>says you can kill the King since there's a waypoint, which you
>activated in Black Marsh.' Now, it's also quite possible that I
>*didn't* listen to myself though. Sometimes it's best to ignore ones
>self in order to filter out some of the excess noise and general
>insaneness that is sometimes to be found there.
>
>Self, shut up now. Okay.
Hmm, I hope I remember to listen to my self when I tell myself *not*
to kill the King until this is resolved ;-) Shouldn't be much longer,
I found both the entrance to the Hall of Anguish (where she is now)
and the exit to the Summit before I finally found the waypoint this
morning, so it's directly off to the Ancients once I see what's in the
Drifter Canyon and the Icy Cellar ;-)
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>Following a later death where one spark from an LEB killed her as
>well, I chickened out and put the next four level ups worth of stat
>points in Vitality.
A wise decision, I'm sure ;-) I, of course, would have 25 points in it
at that stage, but you know how sold I am on that 1 point per level
thing ;-)
tcells
Stephen van Ham wrote in message
>And thus, on Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:50:38 +1100, "tcells"
><tce...@Xcapmon.com> cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this
>is what was said:
>
>>>I've never played a 0 Vit Strafazon before. It's still Cast Valk,
>>>Shoot, Shoot, Shoot, right? :-)
>
>>hehe you'll make yourself happy :) Although with the way you guys are
>>describing this mod, I think I'd be tempted to put vit up about 60.
>
>Andariel was certainly an interesting lady with a minimal Life ball.
>One quick volley of green puffballs and I was running back towards
>town screaming like a little girl, chugging the reds and antidote
>potions and hoping for the best.
funnily, I got killed by the maggot king's poison the other night. Slew him
and ran out of the room. I watched as the points dropped down,
unfortunately they didn't stop at 1! I figured that I must not have run to
where I thought I was so asked another player to stand on my corpse - it was
exactly where I thought it was and outside of the room. So it must have
been death by poison.
Mickey
news:OUwV7.23$mO1....@vicpull1.telstra.net...
>
> Stephen van Ham wrote in message
> <83e72u8rfj591mpc3...@4ax.com>...
> >And thus, on Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:50:38 +1100, "tcells"
> ><tce...@Xcapmon.com> cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this
> >is what was said:
> >
> >>>I've never played a 0 Vit Strafazon before. It's still Cast Valk,
> >>>Shoot, Shoot, Shoot, right? :-)
> >
> >>hehe you'll make yourself happy :) Although with the way you guys are
> >>describing this mod, I think I'd be tempted to put vit up about 60.
> >
> >Andariel was certainly an interesting lady with a minimal Life ball.
> >One quick volley of green puffballs and I was running back towards
> >town screaming like a little girl, chugging the reds and antidote
> >potions and hoping for the best.
>
> funnily, I got killed by the maggot king's poison the other night. Slew
him
> and ran out of the room. I watched as the points dropped down,
> unfortunately they didn't stop at 1! I figured that I must not have run
to
> where I thought I was so asked another player to stand on my corpse - it
was
> exactly where I thought it was and outside of the room. So it must have
> been death by poison.
Yes, poison can know kill you..... unless you run to town, where it will
stop at 1.
Mickey
0tarin
<mickeybTI...@home.com> grabbed a wombat and stuffed it full of
the following hogwash:
>> exactly where I thought it was and outside of the room. So it must have
>> been death by poison.
>
>
>Yes, poison can know kill you..... unless you run to town, where it will
>stop at 1.
That's odd. Last night I took my new sorc out for a spin and finished
the maggot lair, and naturally got poisoned all to hell. I let my
health completely drain and tried keeping the merc alive instead. Yet
I didn't die, and the poison eventually wore off.
--
0tarin
Known Wombat Stuffer,
Chief Paddle Specialist and Administrator
and Unofficial Baron of B!tching ;)
...
"Selfish, adj. Devoid of consideration for the selfishness of others."
FuzzyHorror
0tarin wrote:
>
> Upon the day of Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:27:13 GMT, "Mickey"
> <mickeybTI...@home.com> grabbed a wombat and stuffed it full of
> the following hogwash:
>
> >> exactly where I thought it was and outside of the room. So it must have
> >> been death by poison.
> >
> >
> >Yes, poison can know kill you..... unless you run to town, where it will
> >stop at 1.
>
> That's odd. Last night I took my new sorc out for a spin and finished
> the maggot lair, and naturally got poisoned all to hell. I let my
> health completely drain and tried keeping the merc alive instead. Yet
> I didn't die, and the poison eventually wore off.
indeed, after being poisoned by whatshisface the poisoner in baal's lag
squad (the boss reviver in the 2nd group), my bowazon routinely hangs
back near the entrance with 1 life waiting for the poison to wear off
and Bartoc's group so she can guided-leech back to full.
--
FuzzyHorror
Hey, what is that?
This is a pint.
It comes in PINTS???
Mickey
news:3c276b50....@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> Upon the day of Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:27:13 GMT, "Mickey"
> <mickeybTI...@home.com> grabbed a wombat and stuffed it full of
> the following hogwash:
>
> >> exactly where I thought it was and outside of the room. So it must
have
> >> been death by poison.
> >
> >
> >Yes, poison can know kill you..... unless you run to town, where it will
> >stop at 1.
>
> That's odd. Last night I took my new sorc out for a spin and finished
> the maggot lair, and naturally got poisoned all to hell. I let my
> health completely drain and tried keeping the merc alive instead. Yet
> I didn't die, and the poison eventually wore off.
Ah, but that's because you were in normal mode. The rules for poison change
in hell mode... nasty, eh?
Mickey
RGT
Yes, my daughter will be three in April. I guess I've just been
watching too many videos with her. That's one of her favorites.
Randy
RGT
>And I guess all of the HB stuff that you need for all of those Cube
>recipes doesn't drop until NM or Hell, huh?
No, I had to use the cube, but I haven't checked since then. I had
the same experience as Stephen with the greyed out WP. I *think* I
killed the King, so when I go back I'll check to see if the WP works.
Some of it drops. You can find everything up to the Brain or Quill
and can make Flags, but since you don't have Elixers you can't make
the Herbs. Some recipes use those items, but not many and not very
useful ones.
>Just don't let him out of his room (assuming he's in one like he was
>when I found him) and get something with elemental damage (half an
>hour into the battle, with all of my mana gone from Guideds and both
>deaths already past me, his life bar hadn't even *moved*. I switched
>to a Gemmed bow at that point, and while it *did* move slowly, at
>least it started moving), and use GA, he likes to move around a *lot*.
I've got my huge elemental damage charm and might make another if I
had the ingredients.
>>I replaced a few lower level ones with the Grand charms. Now I have
>>four Grand and one large and one small. I'm not sure what my
>>resistances are in NM, but they are at least 45% all after I finally
>>read the fourth scroll. ;)
>>
>
>Huh? I thought you were making 25% resist all Grand Charms with it?
Right. 75% from charms +10% from scroll I finally read -40% for NM =
45%, unless the changed the NM penalty.
>Ok, it may be cheating, but the maps are on the site, I use them
>liberally ;-)
I have looked at them, but I don't usually refer to them during the
game. ;)
>>I did manage to come across a bow with 16-44 or so damage to help out,
>>but with only 4% leach it is having trouble keeping up with the mana
>>still. GA is no problem since it only costs 1 mana, but Strafe has
>>problems.
>>Randy
>
>Hmm, I'm not having too much problems there, and I only have 3% from
>the perfect skull. Your bow is a little better than mine, too, I
>checked last night/this morning, IIRC it's 12-36. Maybe it's a playing
>style thing, since I've always used Strafe primarily I've learned to
>switch to the left button (used to be Normal Attack, now Guided) when
>there are less than 3 monsters on the screen. Also, what level Strafe
>do you have? There was a point relatively early (level 6 or 7?
>Somewhere around there) where adding *one* extra point made all the
>difference in the world, I was suddenly gaining mana against smaller
>packs instead of losing it ;-)
I've just put one point in Strafe, so it's at level 4 with items. GA
is maxed and MS has 3-4 natural points in it. I use them all at
various times.
Randy
RGT
>2/normal. I started off using the Vidala's Barb that BloodRaven
>dropped and then, later on once I needed some mana steal, upgraded to
>a long bow with two skulls and a perfect topaz. After that I started
>using up my cash gambling on long battle bows, the most recent of
>which is 4-23 damage, 21 poison over 4 seconds, and 5% mana steal.
>Very useful. I also gambled another LBB that does over 30 max
>damage, but that one doesn't have any mana steal, so it's not that
>useful for me at the moment since I don't have any mana steal from
>other items yet.
Well, I got that bow in Act 1 NM. It's pretty wimpy for a level 57
Bowazon. It's the exceptional version of the Long Bow, IIRC.
>>Hmm, I'm not having too much problems there, and I only have 3% from
>>the perfect skull. Your bow is a little better than mine, too, I
>>checked last night/this morning, IIRC it's 12-36. Maybe it's a playing
>>style thing, since I've always used Strafe primarily I've learned to
>>switch to the left button (used to be Normal Attack, now Guided) when
>>there are less than 3 monsters on the screen. Also, what level Strafe
>>do you have?
>
>The level of Critical Strike could have a bearing as well, since its
>percentage increase has been ramped up.
I may still have that with 1 point (plus 3) now. It's pretty high at
that level any way.
Randy
ald
>Well, I got that bow in Act 1 NM. It's pretty wimpy for a level 57
>Bowazon. It's the exceptional version of the Long Bow, IIRC.
>Randy
This was written what, an hour or two before you got the Windforce?
ald
>No, I had to use the cube, but I haven't checked since then. I had
>the same experience as Stephen with the greyed out WP. I *think* I
>killed the King, so when I go back I'll check to see if the WP works.
>
I just did the Cow Level (game's still running ATM), and had the same
problem. I'm currently in the Act 5 Cow level but, as I expected,
going there isn't affecting whether the WP to the Act 1 one is open in
any way :-( I finally *did* kill the King out of frustration, nothing
of any interest (other than a ton of regular gems) dropped except the
Cow King's boots.
Since the original Sis *can* access the WP, one way or another I
should be able to get it for you or Stephen, if you're interested. I
really didn't see a reason to be going back to that one, though (see
comment below).
>Some of it drops. You can find everything up to the Brain or Quill
>and can make Flags, but since you don't have Elixers you can't make
>the Herbs. Some recipes use those items, but not many and not very
>useful ones.
>
You had those dropping in the Act 1 Cow level? I only saw the parts in
the Act 5 one. What does the Flag do? I'm gonna have to try to
remember to save at least one of each part so that I can make a few of
those (have at least 4 quills so far). And you're assuming that the
Elixer is something that will drop in NM or Hell? It *can't* be the
Elixer of life, since there are recipes that call for 4 of them ;-)
>I've got my huge elemental damage charm and might make another if I
>had the ingredients.
>
Heh, I have one now, too, and am just waiting for a Thul (after
*finally* rescuing the barbs after killing Baal today) to make another
one ;-)
>Right. 75% from charms +10% from scroll I finally read -40% for NM =
>45%, unless the changed the NM penalty.
Doh! Of course. I thought you were citing your *Normal* resistances.
>I've just put one point in Strafe, so it's at level 4 with items. GA
>is maxed and MS has 3-4 natural points in it. I use them all at
>various times.
>Randy
Ok, yeah, at level 4 I could see where that might be a problem, though
that should have been solved with the new bow ;-)
Stephen van Ham
(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
said:
>>I've got my huge elemental damage charm and might make another if I
>>had the ingredients.
>Heh, I have one now, too, and am just waiting for a Thul (after
>*finally* rescuing the barbs after killing Baal today) to make another
>one ;-)
My little rogue, errr, bowazon hasn't had much luck finding Ral, Ort,
Tal or Thul runes yet (and couldn't find *any* camels in the Far Oasis
even after a half dozen or more runs), so she doesn't have any of
those skill-, life- or resistance-boosting charms yet. She was,
however, lucky enough to find an Ohm rune, which she cubed to get
herself one of those handy dandy +50% enhanced damage charms. It's
very useful alongside her new 6-30 long battle bow (she was able to
upgrade from the lesser damage with mana stealing bow after she found
a mana steal amulet) and her level 6-8 GA/Strafe. Right now she's
doing 'Szark runs' to see if she can get herself an even better bow or
some more runes.
--
Characters in the Ancestral Recall mod:
Syellica-AR - level 53 Assassin
Danzaelle-AR - level 31 Bowazon
Stephen van Ham
(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
said:
>>Well, I got that bow in Act 1 NM. It's pretty wimpy for a level 57
>>Bowazon. It's the exceptional version of the Long Bow, IIRC.
>
>>Randy
>
>This was written what, an hour or two before you got the Windforce?
>;-)
??????????????????????
--
Characters in the Ancestral Recall mod:
Syellica-AR - level 53 Assassin
Danzaelle-AR - level 31 Bowazon
RGT
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>And thus, on Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:47:39 GMT, 10317...@compuserve.com
>(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
>said:
>
>>>Well, I got that bow in Act 1 NM. It's pretty wimpy for a level 57
>>>Bowazon. It's the exceptional version of the Long Bow, IIRC.
>>
>>>Randy
>>
>>This was written what, an hour or two before you got the Windforce?
>>;-)
About that. ;)
I started a game right after posting and right away upgraded her bow
when Charsi offered up and exceptional bow with +197% ED that put it
around 26-65 damage. I was feeling very good about that and headed
down the Crypt. I managed to get to the first WP before I decided I
needed a break from the hard stuff, so I continued questing.
When I found The Smith he droped a rare Hydra bow. It was another
nice upgrade with around 105 max damage, but I never used it. A quick
check of the Stash and the cube recipies and I found that I had the
ingredients for the rare-to-unique transform. I was quite surprised
to get a hydra bow in Act 1 NM. I had figured on buying a Hydra bow
in Act 5 Hell and upgrading it to rare and then to unique, so this was
considerably early. Now if I could upgrade some of her other gear.
So far it seems to be working well and my Zon has just arrived at the
AS in Act 2 at level 66. I finished the Crypt but I never found Moe.
>??????????????????????
I saw ald on line so I ICQ'd him right after I found it. I figured he
would pass the info along at some point. ;)
Randy
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>My little rogue, errr, bowazon hasn't had much luck finding Ral, Ort,
>Tal or Thul runes yet (and couldn't find *any* camels in the Far Oasis
>even after a half dozen or more runs), so she doesn't have any of
>those skill-, life- or resistance-boosting charms yet. She was,
>however, lucky enough to find an Ohm rune, which she cubed to get
>herself one of those handy dandy +50% enhanced damage charms. It's
>very useful alongside her new 6-30 long battle bow (she was able to
>upgrade from the lesser damage with mana stealing bow after she found
>a mana steal amulet) and her level 6-8 GA/Strafe. Right now she's
>doing 'Szark runs' to see if she can get herself an even better bow or
>some more runes.
Other than the aforementioned second Act 5 Cow level run (which netted
4 Flags, now taking up a lot of space in the cube until I can get 6
elixirs to upgrade them to Herbs), I've pretty much avoided doing
runs. Being level 42 when I left Act 1 (although I ended up Act 5,
before the second Cow level run, at the same level 56 that Randy
finished it at), the idea was definitely to get through to areas where
I was going to get experience points. From Act 2 - Act 4, she only got
two levels, one from the Champion Diablo (and halfway to the next
level from the Fanatic one), and one from the real Diablo. The
experience points started rolling in again once she got to the
underground areas in Act 5, even the Bloody Foothills was netting her
next to nothing :-(
Now she's back to getting no experience again. She started NM last
night, with me falling asleep just after she killed Corpsefire (his
drops sure were disappointing compared to what they were in Normal ;-)
), and took out BloodRaven before I left for work this morning. She
started working on the Crypt, but decided that she *really* wanted to
rescue Cain and stop paying for ID scrolls before going through there
again, so tonight she'll set off on that quest. Probably end up doing
the Crypt before leaving Act 1 again, I'd hate to end up in the
situation Randy did where it didn't seem worth it to do it (as opposed
to Acts 2-4 not being worth it, but hey, you *have* to do those ;-) ).
Stephen van Ham
(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
said:
>Other than the aforementioned second Act 5 Cow level run (which netted
>4 Flags, now taking up a lot of space in the cube until I can get 6
>elixirs to upgrade them to Herbs), I've pretty much avoided doing
>runs.
The Szark runs didn't net much, so now she's doing Stormtree runs
instead (the Lower Kurast waypoint on my map is right next to the
entrance to the Flayer Jungle, so it's a quick trip). So far he's
dropped a bunch of rares and set items which immediately became sell
fodder, but he also dropped a Lum rune which was used to assemble the
now-standard 'Smoke' chainmail armour. In just three more level ups,
the resistances problem she's having will therefore go away.
>Being level 42 when I left Act 1 (although I ended up Act 5,
>before the second Cow level run, at the same level 56 that Randy
>finished it at), the idea was definitely to get through to areas where
>I was going to get experience points. From Act 2 - Act 4, she only got
>two levels, one from the Champion Diablo
I paid him a visit just an hour or so ago. Things were looking
pretty grim with just one Diablo breathing down my neck, but when a
second one appeared out of a side passage, I bailed like a big
chicken.
>Now she's back to getting no experience again. She started NM last
>night, with me falling asleep just after she killed Corpsefire (his
>drops sure were disappointing compared to what they were in Normal ;-)
>),
My assassin hit somewhat of a wall once she entered the underground
areas of act 2/NM, so the bowazon is getting a good run instead.
--
Characters in the Ancestral Recall mod:
Syellica-AR - level 53 Assassin
Danzaelle-AR - level 34 Bowazon
Stephen van Ham
(RGT) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
said:
>When I found The Smith he droped a rare Hydra bow. It was another
>nice upgrade with around 105 max damage, but I never used it. A quick
>check of the Stash and the cube recipies and I found that I had the
>ingredients for the rare-to-unique transform. I was quite surprised
>to get a hydra bow in Act 1 NM.
I guess the drops are designed to allow you to get the items you need
*before* you need them. Congratulations on the find.
>So far it seems to be working well and my Zon has just arrived at the
>AS in Act 2 at level 66. I finished the Crypt but I never found Moe.
He's down at the Tavern trying to get Homer to pay his tab.
--
Characters in the Ancestral Recall mod:
Syellica-AR - level 53 Assassin
Danzaelle-AR - level 34 Bowazon
ShieldWolf
> *before* you need them. Congratulations on the find.
Thank you. Yes, I really didn't need quite the power of a Windforce
for NM, but I wasn't going to keep it in the stash until I hit Act 5
Hell. ;)
As I told you on ICQ I also found a Kuko Shakaku that I've been
hauling around, thinking you or ald may want it. Now I just need to
find a time when one of you is on line when I am.
> >So far it seems to be working well and my Zon has just arrived at the
> >AS in Act 2 at level 66. I finished the Crypt but I never found Moe.
>
> He's down at the Tavern trying to get Homer to pay his tab.
I guess so. I searched all three of the cave levels completely and
never found him. Maybe I'll go back or just wait to try again in
Hell. I did kill Andy and Natalya.
So far Felina-AR has made it to Lower Kurast in NM at level 68. I
managed to kill one of the Diablos in the new Swampy Pit. I was going
to kill another one, but after finding two more I decided that one was
enough. It took several hundred arrows with Windforce to take him
down and I didn't want to bother doing it 3+ more times. The GA trick
still works, but it's harder to find a sweet spot and he doesn't stay
there long. I forget if I was at players 2 or players 4 at the time.
I've been doing more players 4 since I found the bow, but Felina is
still not leveling very much in this area.
ShieldWolf
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:29:11 +1300, Stephen van Ham
> <sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
> >My little rogue, errr, bowazon hasn't had much luck finding Ral, Ort,
> >Tal or Thul runes yet (and couldn't find *any* camels in the Far Oasis
> >even after a half dozen or more runs), so she doesn't have any of
> >those skill-, life- or resistance-boosting charms yet. She was,
> >however, lucky enough to find an Ohm rune, which she cubed to get
> >herself one of those handy dandy +50% enhanced damage charms. It's
> >very useful alongside her new 6-30 long battle bow (she was able to
> >upgrade from the lesser damage with mana stealing bow after she found
> >a mana steal amulet) and her level 6-8 GA/Strafe. Right now she's
> >doing 'Szark runs' to see if she can get herself an even better bow or
> >some more runes.
I found three groups of camels in one run in NM but the best rune I
got off of them was Eld. Gems are easy enough to come by I quit
picking up anything besides Flawless and I may stop getting all of
them. Unfortunately, Ral, Ort and Tal are a bit scarce now. I had
cubed several of them into higher runes before I realized half the
recipies required them. :(
Szark dropped an Ohm for me in NM the one time I killed him. I
haven't used it, but that charm looks inviting and would go a long way
with the Windforce (as if I needed more firepower).
I've upped her Strafe to around 10 and used it quite a bit in the
jungle areas. I also managed to replace her 4% mana steal ammy since
the bow has 6% on it. I'm using a Cats Eye now that I made with the
three rare ammys, one rare jewel and a perfect skull recipie. I've
made a few unique rings and ammy's so far but I haven't managed to
come up with a Mara's or Bul Taco yet.
> Other than the aforementioned second Act 5 Cow level run (which netted
> 4 Flags, now taking up a lot of space in the cube until I can get 6
> elixirs to upgrade them to Herbs), I've pretty much avoided doing
> runs. Being level 42 when I left Act 1 (although I ended up Act 5,
> before the second Cow level run, at the same level 56 that Randy
> finished it at), the idea was definitely to get through to areas where
> I was going to get experience points. From Act 2 - Act 4, she only got
> two levels, one from the Champion Diablo (and halfway to the next
> level from the Fanatic one), and one from the real Diablo. The
> experience points started rolling in again once she got to the
> underground areas in Act 5, even the Bloody Foothills was netting her
> next to nothing :-(
I spent quite some time cubing all that stuff and made 3-4 Flags, then
dumped them for space since I couldn't use them yet and figured I
could come back and get them later. That's the cubing session where I
lost the Tal Rasha's mask and a Peasant Crown, along with a few other
nice items.
> Now she's back to getting no experience again. She started NM last
> night, with me falling asleep just after she killed Corpsefire (his
> drops sure were disappointing compared to what they were in Normal ;-)
> ), and took out BloodRaven before I left for work this morning. She
> started working on the Crypt, but decided that she *really* wanted to
> rescue Cain and stop paying for ID scrolls before going through there
> again, so tonight she'll set off on that quest. Probably end up doing
> the Crypt before leaving Act 1 again, I'd hate to end up in the
> situation Randy did where it didn't seem worth it to do it (as opposed
> to Acts 2-4 not being worth it, but hey, you *have* to do those ;-) ).
I did the same, rescuing Cain and then doing the Crypt. Don't expect
to gain 20 levels in the Crypt this time. ;) You don't *have* to do
Act 4 any more, but there are some things there you may not want to
miss.
I'm saving my elixer of life from NM to cube one of those charms, but
I don't have the ingredients yet. I skipped Radament in NM because
I'm alread carrying the Normal scroll around waiting for five Zods to
make a cube for that recipie. No point in carrying around 2-3 of them
for 30 more levels until the zods come along.
ald
wrote:
>I guess so. I searched all three of the cave levels completely and
>never found him. Maybe I'll go back or just wait to try again in
>Hell. I did kill Andy and Natalya.
There's your problem, he's in Jail Level 1, IIRC ;-)
ald
<sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>In just three more level ups,
>the resistances problem she's having will therefore go away.
Never tried the Smoke Armor, but once you get to Act 5 and rescue
Anya, your resistance problems go away anyway ;-) Word of warning,
though: Do *not* kill Nilithak before you get Malah to give you the
necessary 4 scrolls. She eventually *did* give me the last two (when
starting new games), but it took a *lot* longer than it would have if
I'd waited a little while longer to off Nilithak ;-)
Stephen van Ham
(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
said:
>There's your problem, he's in Jail Level 1, IIRC ;-)
There was no sign of him in Jail level 1 or 3 today. Perhaps he only
appears on certain days of the week?
--
Characters in the Ancestral Recall mod:
Syellica-AR - level 53 Assassin
Danzaelle-AR - level 36 Bowazon
Stephen van Ham
(ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
said:
>>In just three more level ups,
>>the resistances problem she's having will therefore go away.
>
>Never tried the Smoke Armor, but once you get to Act 5 and rescue
>Anya, your resistance problems go away anyway ;-) Word of warning,
>though: Do *not* kill Nilithak before you get Malah to give you the
>necessary 4 scrolls. She eventually *did* give me the last two (when
>starting new games), but it took a *lot* longer than it would have if
>I'd waited a little while longer to off Nilithak ;-)
I noticed Malah keeps doling out scrolls, but I figured that was a bug
caused by the mod tinkering with recipes and tricking the quest system
(you haven't completed the quest but don't have the scroll, so you get
one since the game figures you haven't used it yet) so decided to only
ever take one scroll per difficulty per character.
--
Characters in the Ancestral Recall mod:
Syellica-AR - level 53 Assassin
Danzaelle-AR - level 36 Bowazon
ShieldWolf
> And thus, on Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:51:31 GMT, 10317...@compuserve.com
> (ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
> said:
>
> >There's your problem, he's in Jail Level 1, IIRC ;-)
No, my problem is not paying attention to what I'm typing. I *was*
searching the Jail levels, not the cave levels. That must have been a
D1 flashback. ;)
> There was no sign of him in Jail level 1 or 3 today. Perhaps he only
> appears on certain days of the week?
I did a check of the AR site and found something that said he
"randomly" appears on Jail levels 1-3. I don't know if the "random"
part applies to the appearing or the level he appears on.
ShieldWolf
> And thus, on Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:56:20 GMT, 10317...@compuserve.com
> (ald) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what was
> said:
>
> >>In just three more level ups,
> >>the resistances problem she's having will therefore go away.
> >
> >Never tried the Smoke Armor, but once you get to Act 5 and rescue
> >Anya, your resistance problems go away anyway ;-) Word of warning,
> >though: Do *not* kill Nilithak before you get Malah to give you the
> >necessary 4 scrolls. She eventually *did* give me the last two (when
> >starting new games), but it took a *lot* longer than it would have if
> >I'd waited a little while longer to off Nilithak ;-)
>
> I noticed Malah keeps doling out scrolls, but I figured that was a bug
> caused by the mod tinkering with recipes and tricking the quest system
> (you haven't completed the quest but don't have the scroll, so you get
> one since the game figures you haven't used it yet) so decided to only
> ever take one scroll per difficulty per character.
I also found this reported on the AR site forum. The mod creator
agreed it was a bug but he was too lazy to fix it. Now, do ald and I
take advantage of the bug or toss two of our charms. Getting rid of
the 10% for reading one will be a bit trickier. Of course we could
toss all three charms. I'm inclined to take advantage of the bug for
now and pretend I got my last two scrolls early.
Along the same lines, I spent last night killing Natalya in NM and
gathering set pieces. By the time I had the complete set I was only
one piece away from a second set, so I went for another. I now have
two of the crafted armors with +3 all skills, 16% dual leach and 50%
resist all. The second one had a bit extra resist for 80% fire and
71% poison resist. My Zon and Barb Merc look very stylish wearing
matching armor. Getting the second set left me two pairs of boots
away from having two more complete sets. If one of you need some
parts I will hang on to them a bit, otherwise I will either sell them
or get the boots and make two more to see if the random mods get
better.
The effort wasn't totally wasted on getting the armor. I also found a
Bul Kathos' Wedding Band (3% only) and got 2-3 level ups in the
process. The armor is nice for a Bowazon, but I'm not sure a melee
character would appreciate it. The repair cost is more than 50K per
durability point. :(
Stephen van Ham
(ShieldWolf) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what
was said:
>... I spent last night killing Natalya in NM and
>gathering set pieces. By the time I had the complete set I was only
>one piece away from a second set, so I went for another. I now have
>two of the crafted armors with +3 all skills, 16% dual leach and 50%
>resist all. The second one had a bit extra resist for 80% fire and
>71% poison resist.
Dang, I need to get myself a few pairs of those. Do they have a very
high level requirement?
ShieldWolf
> And thus, on 28 Dec 2001 07:09:19 -0800, rfth...@my-deja.com
> (ShieldWolf) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what
> was said:
>
> >... I spent last night killing Natalya in NM and
> >gathering set pieces. By the time I had the complete set I was only
> >one piece away from a second set, so I went for another. I now have
> >two of the crafted armors with +3 all skills, 16% dual leach and 50%
> >resist all. The second one had a bit extra resist for 80% fire and
> >71% poison resist.
>
> Dang, I need to get myself a few pairs of those. Do they have a very
> high level requirement?
Truth is, I never looked since the Zon was level 70 when I made them.
It is Loricated Mail which is elite, and most elite items have had
their level requirements lowered to lvl 50 (about the time you finish
Normal) so I suspect that is the requirement here. The Windforce has
level 50 required, and I doubt this armor is any higher.
The kicker is the 149 strength required. My Zon currently has +20 to
strength from items, so I had to raise strength to 130 to wear it. It
wasn't that many more points since I had already pumped strength for
the Windforce. But she now is running with 22% mana leach and 29%
life leach, so who needs vitality anyway?
Mickey
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> Stephen van Ham <sva...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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> > And thus, on 28 Dec 2001 07:09:19 -0800, rfth...@my-deja.com
> > (ShieldWolf) cast the dice and consulted the Oracle, and this is what
> > was said:
> >
> > >... I spent last night killing Natalya in NM and
> > >gathering set pieces. By the time I had the complete set I was only
> > >one piece away from a second set, so I went for another. I now have
> > >two of the crafted armors with +3 all skills, 16% dual leach and 50%
> > >resist all. The second one had a bit extra resist for 80% fire and
> > >71% poison resist.
> >
> > Dang, I need to get myself a few pairs of those. Do they have a very
> > high level requirement?
>
> Truth is, I never looked since the Zon was level 70 when I made them.
> It is Loricated Mail which is elite, and most elite items have had
> their level requirements lowered to lvl 50 (about the time you finish
> Normal) so I suspect that is the requirement here. The Windforce has
> level 50 required, and I doubt this armor is any higher.
Huh? Mine has a lvl 73 req on it.
>
> The kicker is the 149 strength required. My Zon currently has +20 to
> strength from items, so I had to raise strength to 130 to wear it. It
> wasn't that many more points since I had already pumped strength for
> the Windforce. But she now is running with 22% mana leach and 29%
> life leach, so who needs vitality anyway?
Thundergod's belt and a mara's ammy go a long way towards that STR.
Mickey
Stephen van Ham
<mickeybTI...@home.com> cast the dice and consulted the Oracle,
and this is what was said:
>> Truth is, I never looked since the Zon was level 70 when I made them.
>> It is Loricated Mail which is elite, and most elite items have had
>> their level requirements lowered to lvl 50 (about the time you finish
>> Normal) so I suspect that is the requirement here. The Windforce has
>> level 50 required, and I doubt this armor is any higher.
>
>Huh? Mine has a lvl 73 req on it.
Yep, mods are fun.
Stephen van Ham
Danzaelle is doing pretty good in the leech department right now,
although nothing as extreme as your setup. The Wilhelm's Pride (I
think that's the name) set belt provides the base leeching, with
secondary mana leeching from her amulet, plus additional life leech
from the Cathan's Seal set ring. Things are certainly safer with 11%
life leech than with no life leech, that's for sure.
She's now even safer thanks to the new knockback bow. After going
through acts 3 and 4 using the long battle bow she gambled in act 2,
in early act 5 a three socket reflex bow dropped, into which she
stuffed a Nef rune for the knockback, an Ith rune for some extra
physical damage, plus a perfect topaz for some lightning damage (she
already had lightning damage from a couple of charms). It's no
Windforce-esque setup, obviously, but it will get her through the rest
of Normal difficulty and early Nightmare. She'll need an upgrade
after that though, or at least some of those nice crafted
uber-elemental grand charms...
ald
wrote:
>I did a check of the AR site and found something that said he
>"randomly" appears on Jail levels 1-3. I don't know if the "random"
>part applies to the appearing or the level he appears on.
From what I'm hearing, it must mean randomly appears, like the Camels.