Re: [JNCOBOY] EVERYONE READ!!!!
Red Dragon
> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>
>> Neo wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, I have seen the new story, but this post I am
>>>>>>>>>>> replying to is older. Besides, [JNCOBOY]
>>>>>>>>>>> EVERYBODY READ!!!!
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah. Besides, it's only about one third of a
>>>>>>>>>> story. I had such trouble getting that bit done,
>>>>>>>>>> though, I just wanted to push it out, crossing both
>>>>>>>>>> the mental border of 'it's done, get on' (except
>>>>>>>>>> for a gazillion revisions and possibly a few
>>>>>>>>>> rewrites) and to see if anyone throws rotten
>>>>>>>>>> tomatoes at me for it being that abysmally
>>>>>>>>>> horrible. Showing that I'm still at it is a
>>>>>>>>>> neglectable (sp?) side effect. Not that anyone
>>>>>>>>>> really cares.
>>>>>>>>> Of course we care! Both Red Dragon and me!
>>>>>>>> You don't see too concerned, though. And where *is* Red
>>>>>>>> Dragon anyway? Still around?
>>>>>>> She posted two days ago.
>>>>>> Yes, saw it after posting. Good thing to have her around.
>>>>> Who else would fire up the BBQ?
>>>> Oh, I always keep a flame thrower or two in storage.
>>> I think the napalm in them is a bit smelly. Red Dragon gets the
>>> navens better cooked and crispy.
>>>
>>> Neo
>> Perhaps, but the flavor depends heavily on what kind of toothpaste
>> I've been using.
>
> Hm... I wonder... Is there toothpaste with authentic Naven BBQ
> flavour?
It'd be like a Summer party! In my mouth! Twice a day!
Wait...
I'd have to use it on special occasions only. I'd get terribly sick of
that in a hurry.
emmel
Special occasion toothpaste... The mind boggles at the possibilities.
We're gonna be rich!
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Neo
I have toothpaste for the special occasion that I want to brush my
teeth!
btw, I will be getting to the Aya story once the pirates are away. I
hope you are enjoying yourself emmel!
Neo
--
Everything that has a beginning has an end.
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>>
>>> I'd have to use it on special occasions only. I'd get terribly sick of
>>> that in a hurry.
>>
>> Special occasion toothpaste... The mind boggles at the possibilities.
>> We're gonna be rich!
>
> I have toothpaste for the special occasion that I want to brush my
> teeth!
Erm... Care for some breath mints?
> btw, I will be getting to the Aya story once the pirates are away. I
> hope you are enjoying yourself emmel!
But... But... That could take *ages*!
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>>>
>>>> I'd have to use it on special occasions only. I'd get terribly sick of
>>>> that in a hurry.
>>> Special occasion toothpaste... The mind boggles at the possibilities.
>>> We're gonna be rich!
>> I have toothpaste for the special occasion that I want to brush my
>> teeth!
>
> Erm... Care for some breath mints?
Then I would have to brush my teeth again!
>> btw, I will be getting to the Aya story once the pirates are away. I
>> hope you are enjoying yourself emmel!
>
> But... But... That could take *ages*!
True, I'll see what I can do this week. Unless you want to post a
proofread version yourself first!
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd have to use it on special occasions only. I'd get terribly sick of
>>>>> that in a hurry.
>>>> Special occasion toothpaste... The mind boggles at the possibilities.
>>>> We're gonna be rich!
>>> I have toothpaste for the special occasion that I want to brush my
>>> teeth!
>>
>> Erm... Care for some breath mints?
>
> Then I would have to brush my teeth again!
Is that a yes?
>>> btw, I will be getting to the Aya story once the pirates are away. I
>>> hope you are enjoying yourself emmel!
>>
>> But... But... That could take *ages*!
>
> True, I'll see what I can do this week. Unless you want to post a
> proofread version yourself first!
Actually, I got silly and posted it on the archive site...
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd have to use it on special occasions only. I'd get terribly sick of
>>>>>> that in a hurry.
>>>>> Special occasion toothpaste... The mind boggles at the possibilities.
>>>>> We're gonna be rich!
>>>> I have toothpaste for the special occasion that I want to brush my
>>>> teeth!
>>> Erm... Care for some breath mints?
>> Then I would have to brush my teeth again!
>
> Is that a yes?
Since all the pirates jumped ship and swam away from the Albian coast, I
fear I have to now. It is not even long! A magazine I subscribed to
split up in two and I had to cancel one subscription and now I have to
choose from several others! (they come with the part I like, a group of
computer users that help each other in their specialized areas).
Stupid thing is that I have the same subscriber number at both now. So
if they really want revenge on me cancelling my subscription they can
cancel my subscription in the part I want to keep too!
My homepage is part of the subscription I want to keep, but I am not
sure who I pay for it any more.
They had ADSL en dailup and the ADSL part wend to XS4All (where I am
now), but I am not sure where the dailup part went to. Maybe it is with
XS4All, maybe with the hobby group, maybe with the subscription I just
cancelled.
I like to keep my e-mail address, lots of people have it. People I
haven't heard from in a while and who I would like to keep in contact with.
Alas. Nothing I can do about it now. Just hoping for the best.
>>>> btw, I will be getting to the Aya story once the pirates are away. I
>>>> hope you are enjoying yourself emmel!
>>> But... But... That could take *ages*!
>> True, I'll see what I can do this week. Unless you want to post a
>> proofread version yourself first!
>
> Actually, I got silly and posted it on the archive site...
I have no idea how well read that archive is!
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd have to use it on special occasions only. I'd get terribly sick of
>>>>>>> that in a hurry.
>>>>>> Special occasion toothpaste... The mind boggles at the possibilities.
>>>>>> We're gonna be rich!
>>>>> I have toothpaste for the special occasion that I want to brush my
>>>>> teeth!
>>>> Erm... Care for some breath mints?
>>> Then I would have to brush my teeth again!
>>
>> Is that a yes?
>
> Since all the pirates jumped ship and swam away from the Albian coast, I
> fear I have to now. It is not even long! A magazine I subscribed to
> split up in two and I had to cancel one subscription and now I have to
> choose from several others! (they come with the part I like, a group of
> computer users that help each other in their specialized areas).
Should I know what you are talking about?
> Stupid thing is that I have the same subscriber number at both now. So
> if they really want revenge on me cancelling my subscription they can
> cancel my subscription in the part I want to keep too!
>
> My homepage is part of the subscription I want to keep, but I am not
> sure who I pay for it any more.
>
> They had ADSL en dailup and the ADSL part wend to XS4All (where I am
> now), but I am not sure where the dailup part went to. Maybe it is with
> XS4All, maybe with the hobby group, maybe with the subscription I just
> cancelled.
>
> I like to keep my e-mail address, lots of people have it. People I
> haven't heard from in a while and who I would like to keep in contact with.
>
> Alas. Nothing I can do about it now. Just hoping for the best.
It sounds as if you replied to the wrong post, maybe?
>>>>> btw, I will be getting to the Aya story once the pirates are away. I
>>>>> hope you are enjoying yourself emmel!
>>>> But... But... That could take *ages*!
>>> True, I'll see what I can do this week. Unless you want to post a
>>> proofread version yourself first!
>>
>> Actually, I got silly and posted it on the archive site...
>
> I have no idea how well read that archive is!
Well, I think one or two people might have glanced at it. The posts,
that is. The whole thing got a few more hits, although it's far from
being well visited. Still, I think one or two people might actually
follow ATC though it. I'll never know for sure, though - same problem as
with lurkers around here.
Neo
Let me say it in simpler words.
You remember my e-mail address?
That might be gone any date from now if I don't take the right steps.
There might not even be any right steps to take!
I expect your sympathy on this!!
emmel
You *do* have my sympathy, but I still think the reply just doesn't fit
the post you replied to.
Neo
It was an excuse to put off proofreading Aya #3. I am not really good at
using excuses, which is why I usually counter any argument to get me to
do something :-)
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>> It sounds as if you replied to the wrong post, maybe?
>>> Let me say it in simpler words.
>>>
>>> You remember my e-mail address?
>>>
>>> That might be gone any date from now if I don't take the right steps.
>>>
>>> There might not even be any right steps to take!
>>>
>>> I expect your sympathy on this!!
>>
>> You *do* have my sympathy, but I still think the reply just doesn't fit
>> the post you replied to.
>
> It was an excuse to put off proofreading Aya #3. I am not really good at
> using excuses, which is why I usually counter any argument to get me to
> do something :-)
Ah. You *did* reply to the wrong post!
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds as if you replied to the wrong post, maybe?
>>>> Let me say it in simpler words.
>>>>
>>>> You remember my e-mail address?
>>>>
>>>> That might be gone any date from now if I don't take the right steps.
>>>>
>>>> There might not even be any right steps to take!
>>>>
>>>> I expect your sympathy on this!!
>>> You *do* have my sympathy, but I still think the reply just doesn't fit
>>> the post you replied to.
>> It was an excuse to put off proofreading Aya #3. I am not really good at
>> using excuses, which is why I usually counter any argument to get me to
>> do something :-)
>
> Ah. You *did* reply to the wrong post!
Everything for the improved well-being of JNCOBOY! (Or is it a girl
actually?)
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> It was an excuse to put off proofreading Aya #3. I am not really good at
>>> using excuses, which is why I usually counter any argument to get me to
>>> do something :-)
>>
>> Ah. You *did* reply to the wrong post!
>
> Everything for the improved well-being of JNCOBOY! (Or is it a girl
> actually?)
I don't have a clue, but I don't think it is.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> It was an excuse to put off proofreading Aya #3. I am not really good at
>>>> using excuses, which is why I usually counter any argument to get me to
>>>> do something :-)
>>> Ah. You *did* reply to the wrong post!
>> Everything for the improved well-being of JNCOBOY! (Or is it a girl
>> actually?)
>
> I don't have a clue, but I don't think it is.
Maybe it is a Co-Boy. Or a Cob-Oi!
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> It was an excuse to put off proofreading Aya #3. I am not really good at
>>>>> using excuses, which is why I usually counter any argument to get me to
>>>>> do something :-)
>>>> Ah. You *did* reply to the wrong post!
>>> Everything for the improved well-being of JNCOBOY! (Or is it a girl
>>> actually?)
>>
>> I don't have a clue, but I don't think it is.
>
> Maybe it is a Co-Boy. Or a Cob-Oi!
Um... whatever you say...
::backs away::
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It was an excuse to put off proofreading Aya #3. I am not really good at
>>>>>> using excuses, which is why I usually counter any argument to get me to
>>>>>> do something :-)
>>>>> Ah. You *did* reply to the wrong post!
>>>> Everything for the improved well-being of JNCOBOY! (Or is it a girl
>>>> actually?)
>>> I don't have a clue, but I don't think it is.
>> Maybe it is a Co-Boy. Or a Cob-Oi!
>
> Um... whatever you say...
> ::backs away::
Maybe it is the illegitimate son of satan and we are just keeping it
alive!
emmel
only hope there was nothing *really* import on it - except for the stuff
that wasn't really important, but sucks to loose anyway. Not to mention
having to set up the OS; I ended up cloning my laptop's with all the
problems that brings...
emmel
Oh, come on. Since when are devil's brains vegetarian? (like naven
ones...)
Red Dragon
> On different notes, I hard disk committed suicide at the weekend. I can
> only hope there was nothing *really* import on it - except for the stuff
> that wasn't really important, but sucks to loose anyway. Not to mention
> having to set up the OS; I ended up cloning my laptop's with all the
> problems that brings...
Oh no! That's always a gigantic pain. What happened to it exactly? And
did you have a spare?
And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was an excuse to put off proofreading Aya #3. I am not really good at
>>>>>>>> using excuses, which is why I usually counter any argument to get me to
>>>>>>>> do something :-)
>>>>>>> Ah. You *did* reply to the wrong post!
>>>>>> Everything for the improved well-being of JNCOBOY! (Or is it a girl
>>>>>> actually?)
>>>>> I don't have a clue, but I don't think it is.
>>>> Maybe it is a Co-Boy. Or a Cob-Oi!
>>> Um... whatever you say...
>>> ::backs away::
>> Maybe it is the illegitimate son of satan and we are just keeping it
>> alive!
>
> Oh, come on. Since when are devil's brains vegetarian? (like naven
> ones...)
It feeds on the fears of the innocent?
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> On different notes, I hard disk committed suicide at the weekend. I can
>> only hope there was nothing *really* import on it - except for the stuff
>> that wasn't really important, but sucks to loose anyway. Not to mention
>> having to set up the OS; I ended up cloning my laptop's with all the
>> problems that brings...
>
> Oh no! That's always a gigantic pain. What happened to it exactly? And
> did you have a spare?
It started with plenty of error messages on bootup, severely slowing it
down. I tried fixing the file system, but to no avail... then it stopped
working at all. With plenty of time I can see parts of the OS partition,
but not even that for the data one. I fortunately still had a (half the
size) old hard disk in, that I use for experimenting (alternate OSs or
whatever else), so I at least got the machine into working condition
again. Didn't work properly until I disconnected the other HD, though...
> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
Problem is, I don't really know what was on it. At least not in detail.
I guess I'll just find myself missing some old data some time in the
future that doesn't seem to exist anymore.
On different notes: 42 unread messages today... Does that mean anything?
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)
story backlogs available at http://ranira.wordpress.com
Neo
I set up a computer yesterday to show a Windows 95 game to my girlfriend
(Starcontrol 3, she liked the puppets though she lacks the grasp of the
English language to avoid a fight with them). It is a very old case I
got for free some someone. 64 MB, really too few to run a modern day
anti-virus solution on it.
Anyways, I had some crashes because of the mobo I think (very cheap
design) and one error message made me run Seatools on it. It said the
harddisk temperature was 53 degrees Celsius and the max temperature was
no less than 62 degrees Celsius! (in the summer I presume). So I opened
up the case, and it was indeed very hot in there. Problem is that there
is no extra rear fan in the case and no space to fit one. And in the
side panels of the case there are no ventilation holes either, so the
case just heats up with prolonged use.
Nothing I can do about that except take the side off or put it in a new
case (which would be a shame because the mobo is crap).
On a related note, since this is JNCOBOY, I used the same Seatools on
another computer I have and it said "This drive is Security Freeze
Locked". That had me a bit worried because the computer came from a
business setup, but it had always worked fine (except that when I got it
the only case fan present wasn't moving, hence the reason for me being
enthusiastic at first about it being so silent). So I fired up google to
find out what that meant.
Well, it turns out Seagate added encryption to their HDs because MS
needed that for it's XBOX (which is totally broken btw in terms of DRM).
Problem was, if you don't use the encryption, malware can set your
encryption to a random passphrase thus making your HD inaccessible at
the next reboot! That is what "This drive is Security Freeze Locked it
for". To prevent malware from doing that.
It is an option in your BIOS though, so you might still be out of luck
if you use the same HD in another machine. Talk about ransomware!
Neo
> On 2008-10-20, Red Dragon <agcl...@lurkerson.net> wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On different notes, I hard disk committed suicide at the weekend. I can
>>> only hope there was nothing *really* import on it - except for the stuff
>>> that wasn't really important, but sucks to loose anyway. Not to mention
>>> having to set up the OS; I ended up cloning my laptop's with all the
>>> problems that brings...
>> Oh no! That's always a gigantic pain. What happened to it exactly? And
>> did you have a spare?
>
> It started with plenty of error messages on bootup, severely slowing it
> down. I tried fixing the file system, but to no avail... then it stopped
> working at all. With plenty of time I can see parts of the OS partition,
> but not even that for the data one. I fortunately still had a (half the
> size) old hard disk in, that I use for experimenting (alternate OSs or
> whatever else), so I at least got the machine into working condition
> again. Didn't work properly until I disconnected the other HD, though...
Maybe the electronics of one of your hard drives is fried. Just
guessing! Are they on the same IDE cable? Is one set as master and the
other one as slave? (you can use jumpers to do this).
>> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
>
> Problem is, I don't really know what was on it. At least not in detail.
> I guess I'll just find myself missing some old data some time in the
> future that doesn't seem to exist anymore.
I heard you can put USB sticks that stopped working in a vacuum bag in
the freezer. Maybe that will work for your HD too. As a last resort I
might add, condensation on the platters might ruin it for good.
Maybe it is best to run a low level tool from the manufacturer first.
You can download an iso for that (probably).
> On different notes: 42 unread messages today... Does that mean anything?
That probably means the pirates from aglami are getting all excited over
something again ;-D
Neo
> On 2008-10-21, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On 2008-10-20, Red Dragon <agcl...@lurkerson.net> wrote:
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> On different notes, I hard disk committed suicide at the weekend. I can
>>>>> only hope there was nothing *really* import on it - except for the stuff
>>>>> that wasn't really important, but sucks to loose anyway. Not to mention
>>>>> having to set up the OS; I ended up cloning my laptop's with all the
>>>>> problems that brings...
>>>> Oh no! That's always a gigantic pain. What happened to it exactly? And
>>>> did you have a spare?
>>> It started with plenty of error messages on bootup, severely slowing it
>>> down. I tried fixing the file system, but to no avail... then it stopped
>>> working at all. With plenty of time I can see parts of the OS partition,
>>> but not even that for the data one. I fortunately still had a (half the
>>> size) old hard disk in, that I use for experimenting (alternate OSs or
>>> whatever else), so I at least got the machine into working condition
>>> again. Didn't work properly until I disconnected the other HD, though...
>> Maybe the electronics of one of your hard drives is fried. Just
>> guessing! Are they on the same IDE cable? Is one set as master and the
>> other one as slave? (you can use jumpers to do this).
>
> electronics, but of course that doesn't help me one bit.
Just write "Kaput" on your drive and keep it for future reference when
you miss something terribly important (like your GPG key).
>>>> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
>>> Problem is, I don't really know what was on it. At least not in detail.
>>> I guess I'll just find myself missing some old data some time in the
>>> future that doesn't seem to exist anymore.
>> I heard you can put USB sticks that stopped working in a vacuum bag in
>> the freezer. Maybe that will work for your HD too. As a last resort I
>> might add, condensation on the platters might ruin it for good.
>
> As I said, it's likely the control electronics. Condensation shouldn't
> be a problem since the platters are packed air tight, but even so I
> don't see myself putting the hard drive into the freezer. I think it's
> gone for good, and even so I don't have the necessary capacities to make
> a backup if it ought to work.
There is the vent hole in harddisks. Next to the sticker that says "Do
Not Cover This Hole"
>> Maybe it is best to run a low level tool from the manufacturer first.
>> You can download an iso for that (probably).
>>
>>> On different notes: 42 unread messages today... Does that mean anything?
>> That probably means the pirates from aglami are getting all excited over
>> something again ;-D
>
> Yeah, sounds likely.
They are easily exited.
Neo
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> On different notes, I hard disk committed suicide at the weekend. I can
>>>> only hope there was nothing *really* import on it - except for the stuff
>>>> that wasn't really important, but sucks to loose anyway. Not to mention
>>>> having to set up the OS; I ended up cloning my laptop's with all the
>>>> problems that brings...
>>> Oh no! That's always a gigantic pain. What happened to it exactly? And
>>> did you have a spare?
>>>
>>> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
>> I set up a computer yesterday to show a Windows 95 game to my girlfriend
>> (Starcontrol 3, she liked the puppets though she lacks the grasp of the
>> English language to avoid a fight with them). It is a very old case I
>> got for free some someone. 64 MB, really too few to run a modern day
>> anti-virus solution on it.
>
Starcontrol 3 doesn't run natively on Linux ;-)
Starcontrol 2 does though! It is a novel /and/ a game!
>> Anyways, I had some crashes because of the mobo I think (very cheap
>> design) and one error message made me run Seatools on it. It said the
>> harddisk temperature was 53 degrees Celsius and the max temperature was
>> no less than 62 degrees Celsius! (in the summer I presume). So I opened
>> up the case, and it was indeed very hot in there. Problem is that there
>> is no extra rear fan in the case and no space to fit one. And in the
>> side panels of the case there are no ventilation holes either, so the
>> case just heats up with prolonged use.
>
> Mine is reasonably well vented and besides, it's not even that hot
> anymore. I used to run it with over thirty degrees Celsius room
> temperature... The only problem is that it sits pretty much above the
> other hard driver, but that shouldn't really be critical. Probably ages
> capacitators or something - that's what killed my old main board (or
> rather the AGP).
That would be your problem. If you stack two HDs on top of each other in
your floppy drive bays, the top one will get very hot. And the lower one
won't be able to get rid of the heat it generates.
Lots of air above and below your HD is best. You have cheap kits to
modify a 5 1/4" bay to a 3 1/2" one.
>> Nothing I can do about that except take the side off or put it in a new
>> case (which would be a shame because the mobo is crap).
>
> Or leave the case open. It helps.
Not if you have cats (which I don't btw).
>> On a related note, since this is JNCOBOY, I used the same Seatools on
>> another computer I have and it said "This drive is Security Freeze
>> Locked". That had me a bit worried because the computer came from a
>> business setup, but it had always worked fine (except that when I got it
>> the only case fan present wasn't moving, hence the reason for me being
>> enthusiastic at first about it being so silent). So I fired up google to
>> find out what that meant.
>>
>> Well, it turns out Seagate added encryption to their HDs because MS
>> needed that for it's XBOX (which is totally broken btw in terms of DRM).
>> Problem was, if you don't use the encryption, malware can set your
>> encryption to a random passphrase thus making your HD inaccessible at
>> the next reboot! That is what "This drive is Security Freeze Locked it
>> for". To prevent malware from doing that.
>
> Interesting way of telling you that.
Yeah, I thought the drive only worked in that computer! Not that it was
a big drive, but still.
>> It is an option in your BIOS though, so you might still be out of luck
>> if you use the same HD in another machine. Talk about ransomware!
>
> Oh yeah. On a sidenote, software encryption works fine for me. Might
> decrease the performance a bit, but not noticeably so.
OTFE works great I hear.
Neo
Navens aren't innocent!
emmel
I meant 'it'.
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)
story backlogs available at http://ranira.wordpress.com
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> On 2008-10-21, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> On different notes, I hard disk committed suicide at the weekend. I can
>>>>> only hope there was nothing *really* import on it - except for the stuff
>>>>> that wasn't really important, but sucks to loose anyway. Not to mention
>>>>> having to set up the OS; I ended up cloning my laptop's with all the
>>>>> problems that brings...
>>>> Oh no! That's always a gigantic pain. What happened to it exactly? And
>>>> did you have a spare?
>>>>
>>>> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
>>> I set up a computer yesterday to show a Windows 95 game to my girlfriend
>>> (Starcontrol 3, she liked the puppets though she lacks the grasp of the
>>> English language to avoid a fight with them). It is a very old case I
>>> got for free some someone. 64 MB, really too few to run a modern day
>>> anti-virus solution on it.
>>
>> Linux & Wine...
>
> Starcontrol 3 doesn't run natively on Linux ;-)
Hence Wine.
> Starcontrol 2 does though! It is a novel /and/ a game!
Someone actually novellised it?!
>>> Anyways, I had some crashes because of the mobo I think (very cheap
>>> design) and one error message made me run Seatools on it. It said the
>>> harddisk temperature was 53 degrees Celsius and the max temperature was
>>> no less than 62 degrees Celsius! (in the summer I presume). So I opened
>>> up the case, and it was indeed very hot in there. Problem is that there
>>> is no extra rear fan in the case and no space to fit one. And in the
>>> side panels of the case there are no ventilation holes either, so the
>>> case just heats up with prolonged use.
>>
>> Mine is reasonably well vented and besides, it's not even that hot
>> anymore. I used to run it with over thirty degrees Celsius room
>> temperature... The only problem is that it sits pretty much above the
>> other hard driver, but that shouldn't really be critical. Probably ages
>> capacitators or something - that's what killed my old main board (or
>> rather the AGP).
>
> That would be your problem. If you stack two HDs on top of each other in
> your floppy drive bays, the top one will get very hot. And the lower one
> won't be able to get rid of the heat it generates.
>
> Lots of air above and below your HD is best. You have cheap kits to
> modify a 5 1/4" bay to a 3 1/2" one.
The drive in question was in a 5¼" bay. And above the other one. Which
had a full empty 5¼" bay above it (with a missing slot at the front).
>>> Nothing I can do about that except take the side off or put it in a new
>>> case (which would be a shame because the mobo is crap).
>>
>> Or leave the case open. It helps.
>
> Not if you have cats (which I don't btw).
So do it.
>>> It is an option in your BIOS though, so you might still be out of luck
>>> if you use the same HD in another machine. Talk about ransomware!
>>
>> Oh yeah. On a sidenote, software encryption works fine for me. Might
>> decrease the performance a bit, but not noticeably so.
>
> OTFE works great I hear.
OTFE? I know, I could look it up, but I'm too lazy right now.
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emmel
It's 'kaputt', actually. And how would that help me anyway? I won't be
able to retrieve anything from a broken drive even if I keep it.
Besides, I ought to have plenty of backups of my PGP key. (Yes, it *is*
an actual PGP key; it's that old.)
>>>>> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
>>>> Problem is, I don't really know what was on it. At least not in detail.
>>>> I guess I'll just find myself missing some old data some time in the
>>>> future that doesn't seem to exist anymore.
>>> I heard you can put USB sticks that stopped working in a vacuum bag in
>>> the freezer. Maybe that will work for your HD too. As a last resort I
>>> might add, condensation on the platters might ruin it for good.
>>
>> As I said, it's likely the control electronics. Condensation shouldn't
>> be a problem since the platters are packed air tight, but even so I
>> don't see myself putting the hard drive into the freezer. I think it's
>> gone for good, and even so I don't have the necessary capacities to make
>> a backup if it ought to work.
>
> There is the vent hole in harddisks. Next to the sticker that says "Do
> Not Cover This Hole"
Not on this one. Not that I know of.
>>> Maybe it is best to run a low level tool from the manufacturer first.
>>> You can download an iso for that (probably).
>>>
>>>> On different notes: 42 unread messages today... Does that mean anything?
>>> That probably means the pirates from aglami are getting all excited over
>>> something again ;-D
>>
>> Yeah, sounds likely.
>
> They are easily exited.
Like electrons in a electric field.
emmel
>> On 2008-10-20, Red Dragon <agcl...@lurkerson.net> wrote:
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> On different notes, I hard disk committed suicide at the weekend. I can
>>>> only hope there was nothing *really* import on it - except for the stuff
>>>> that wasn't really important, but sucks to loose anyway. Not to mention
>>>> having to set up the OS; I ended up cloning my laptop's with all the
>>>> problems that brings...
>>> Oh no! That's always a gigantic pain. What happened to it exactly? And
>>> did you have a spare?
>>
>> It started with plenty of error messages on bootup, severely slowing it
>> down. I tried fixing the file system, but to no avail... then it stopped
>> working at all. With plenty of time I can see parts of the OS partition,
>> but not even that for the data one. I fortunately still had a (half the
>> size) old hard disk in, that I use for experimenting (alternate OSs or
>> whatever else), so I at least got the machine into working condition
>> again. Didn't work properly until I disconnected the other HD, though...
>
> Maybe the electronics of one of your hard drives is fried. Just
> guessing! Are they on the same IDE cable? Is one set as master and the
> other one as slave? (you can use jumpers to do this).
Yeah, that's the setup. My guess is that it's indeed the interface
electronics, but of course that doesn't help me one bit.
>>> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
>>
>> Problem is, I don't really know what was on it. At least not in detail.
>> I guess I'll just find myself missing some old data some time in the
>> future that doesn't seem to exist anymore.
>
> I heard you can put USB sticks that stopped working in a vacuum bag in
> the freezer. Maybe that will work for your HD too. As a last resort I
> might add, condensation on the platters might ruin it for good.
As I said, it's likely the control electronics. Condensation shouldn't
be a problem since the platters are packed air tight, but even so I
don't see myself putting the hard drive into the freezer. I think it's
gone for good, and even so I don't have the necessary capacities to make
a backup if it ought to work.
> Maybe it is best to run a low level tool from the manufacturer first.
> You can download an iso for that (probably).
>
>> On different notes: 42 unread messages today... Does that mean anything?
>
> That probably means the pirates from aglami are getting all excited over
> something again ;-D
Yeah, sounds likely.
emmel
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On different notes, I hard disk committed suicide at the weekend. I can
>>> only hope there was nothing *really* import on it - except for the stuff
>>> that wasn't really important, but sucks to loose anyway. Not to mention
>>> having to set up the OS; I ended up cloning my laptop's with all the
>>> problems that brings...
>>
>> Oh no! That's always a gigantic pain. What happened to it exactly? And
>> did you have a spare?
>>
>> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
>
> I set up a computer yesterday to show a Windows 95 game to my girlfriend
> (Starcontrol 3, she liked the puppets though she lacks the grasp of the
> English language to avoid a fight with them). It is a very old case I
> got for free some someone. 64 MB, really too few to run a modern day
> anti-virus solution on it.
Linux & Wine...
> Anyways, I had some crashes because of the mobo I think (very cheap
> design) and one error message made me run Seatools on it. It said the
> harddisk temperature was 53 degrees Celsius and the max temperature was
> no less than 62 degrees Celsius! (in the summer I presume). So I opened
> up the case, and it was indeed very hot in there. Problem is that there
> is no extra rear fan in the case and no space to fit one. And in the
> side panels of the case there are no ventilation holes either, so the
> case just heats up with prolonged use.
Mine is reasonably well vented and besides, it's not even that hot
anymore. I used to run it with over thirty degrees Celsius room
temperature... The only problem is that it sits pretty much above the
other hard driver, but that shouldn't really be critical. Probably ages
capacitators or something - that's what killed my old main board (or
rather the AGP).
> Nothing I can do about that except take the side off or put it in a new
> case (which would be a shame because the mobo is crap).
Or leave the case open. It helps.
> On a related note, since this is JNCOBOY, I used the same Seatools on
> another computer I have and it said "This drive is Security Freeze
> Locked". That had me a bit worried because the computer came from a
> business setup, but it had always worked fine (except that when I got it
> the only case fan present wasn't moving, hence the reason for me being
> enthusiastic at first about it being so silent). So I fired up google to
> find out what that meant.
>
> Well, it turns out Seagate added encryption to their HDs because MS
> needed that for it's XBOX (which is totally broken btw in terms of DRM).
> Problem was, if you don't use the encryption, malware can set your
> encryption to a random passphrase thus making your HD inaccessible at
> the next reboot! That is what "This drive is Security Freeze Locked it
> for". To prevent malware from doing that.
Interesting way of telling you that.
> It is an option in your BIOS though, so you might still be out of luck
> if you use the same HD in another machine. Talk about ransomware!
Oh yeah. On a sidenote, software encryption works fine for me. Might
decrease the performance a bit, but not noticeably so.
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Navens? Devils? Brains?
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Red Dragon
<snip>
>>> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
>>
>> Problem is, I don't really know what was on it. At least not in detail.
>> I guess I'll just find myself missing some old data some time in the
>> future that doesn't seem to exist anymore.
>
> I heard you can put USB sticks that stopped working in a vacuum bag in
> the freezer. Maybe that will work for your HD too. As a last resort I
> might add, condensation on the platters might ruin it for good.
>
This trick is generally for freeing up stuck heads on HDs. Double
bagging it reduces condensation risk. I was able to get one of my HDs to
work with this just long enough to get important things off it.
Then it promptly sung the song of the head crash. I seem to have an
issue with head crashes.
emmel
putting the link in the sig wasn't such a bad idea. Interesting.
emmel
As I said, it's probably the control electronic - no real reason for a
head crash, I switched the machine off as usual and didn't hit it with a
hammer or something - and besides, I miss about a hundred megs or so of
storage where I could backup things to (the actual used amount on the
data partition; it was a 160GB drive). Still, something to keep in mind
for the next time (hopefully not).
Neo
> On 2008-10-21, Red Dragon <agcl...@lurkerson.net> wrote:
>> Neo wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>>> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
>>>> Problem is, I don't really know what was on it. At least not in detail.
>>>> I guess I'll just find myself missing some old data some time in the
>>>> future that doesn't seem to exist anymore.
>>> I heard you can put USB sticks that stopped working in a vacuum bag in
>>> the freezer. Maybe that will work for your HD too. As a last resort I
>>> might add, condensation on the platters might ruin it for good.
>>>
>> This trick is generally for freeing up stuck heads on HDs. Double
>> bagging it reduces condensation risk. I was able to get one of my HDs to
>> work with this just long enough to get important things off it.
>>
>> Then it promptly sung the song of the head crash. I seem to have an
>> issue with head crashes.
>
> As I said, it's probably the control electronic - no real reason for a
> head crash, I switched the machine off as usual and didn't hit it with a
> hammer or something - and besides, I miss about a hundred megs or so of
> storage where I could backup things to (the actual used amount on the
> data partition; it was a 160GB drive). Still, something to keep in mind
> for the next time (hopefully not).
Let me inject you with some hope of recovery of your data.
When you buy a can with inert gas (shouldn't cost you more than 10
euro), you can open up your case and put the IDE cable and molex into
the drive.
When you spray the chips on the green board with this air, they will
start briefly working again. Until they heat up and fail again.
Might need some experimentation to get it right, but my uncle used to
fix amplifiers and other consumer electronics like this. Well. He used
the air to find the component that needed to be replaced.
Just a warning, if you spray the whole can in one go, the can will get
very cold. Just a warning. I always wait a bit between sprays.
Neo
> On 2008-10-21, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On 2008-10-21, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>> On different notes, I hard disk committed suicide at the weekend. I can
>>>>>> only hope there was nothing *really* import on it - except for the stuff
>>>>>> that wasn't really important, but sucks to loose anyway. Not to mention
>>>>>> having to set up the OS; I ended up cloning my laptop's with all the
>>>>>> problems that brings...
>>>>> Oh no! That's always a gigantic pain. What happened to it exactly? And
>>>>> did you have a spare?
>>>>>
>>>>> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
>>>> I set up a computer yesterday to show a Windows 95 game to my girlfriend
>>>> (Starcontrol 3, she liked the puppets though she lacks the grasp of the
>>>> English language to avoid a fight with them). It is a very old case I
>>>> got for free some someone. 64 MB, really too few to run a modern day
>>>> anti-virus solution on it.
>>> Linux & Wine...
>> Starcontrol 3 doesn't run natively on Linux ;-)
>
> Hence Wine.
Starcontrol 3 doesn't even run on DOSBox.
And it doesn't run at the right speed in Windows XP (might also be the
processor or memory that is too fast).
>> Starcontrol 2 does though! It is a novel /and/ a game!
>
> Someone actually novellised it?!
The readme said it has enough conversation to fill a complete novel!
Neo
Navens are too naive to feed on anything but their own 'navenness'.
Neo
I had a broken laptop in 2002.
I recovered everything on the harddisk this year!
The laptop is still broken!
>>>>>> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
>>>>> Problem is, I don't really know what was on it. At least not in detail.
>>>>> I guess I'll just find myself missing some old data some time in the
>>>>> future that doesn't seem to exist anymore.
>>>> I heard you can put USB sticks that stopped working in a vacuum bag in
>>>> the freezer. Maybe that will work for your HD too. As a last resort I
>>>> might add, condensation on the platters might ruin it for good.
>>> As I said, it's likely the control electronics. Condensation shouldn't
>>> be a problem since the platters are packed air tight, but even so I
>>> don't see myself putting the hard drive into the freezer. I think it's
>>> gone for good, and even so I don't have the necessary capacities to make
>>> a backup if it ought to work.
>> There is the vent hole in harddisks. Next to the sticker that says "Do
>> Not Cover This Hole"
>
> Not on this one. Not that I know of.
>
>>>> Maybe it is best to run a low level tool from the manufacturer first.
>>>> You can download an iso for that (probably).
>>>>
>>>>> On different notes: 42 unread messages today... Does that mean anything?
>>>> That probably means the pirates from aglami are getting all excited over
>>>> something again ;-D
>>> Yeah, sounds likely.
>> They are easily exited.
>
> Like electrons in a electric field.
Like pirates on a steel ship!
emmel
> I had a broken laptop in 2002.
> I recovered everything on the harddisk this year!
> The laptop is still broken!
Well, a broken laptop is very different from a broken hard drive.
>>> They are easily exited.
>>
>> Like electrons in a electric field.
>
> Like pirates on a steel ship!
I think that's actually 'easily toasted'.
emmel
What about other people's nerves?
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> On 2008-10-21, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> On 2008-10-21, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>>> On different notes, I hard disk committed suicide at the weekend. I can
>>>>>>> only hope there was nothing *really* import on it - except for the stuff
>>>>>>> that wasn't really important, but sucks to loose anyway. Not to mention
>>>>>>> having to set up the OS; I ended up cloning my laptop's with all the
>>>>>>> problems that brings...
>>>>>> Oh no! That's always a gigantic pain. What happened to it exactly? And
>>>>>> did you have a spare?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
>>>>> I set up a computer yesterday to show a Windows 95 game to my girlfriend
>>>>> (Starcontrol 3, she liked the puppets though she lacks the grasp of the
>>>>> English language to avoid a fight with them). It is a very old case I
>>>>> got for free some someone. 64 MB, really too few to run a modern day
>>>>> anti-virus solution on it.
>>>> Linux & Wine...
>>> Starcontrol 3 doesn't run natively on Linux ;-)
>>
>> Hence Wine.
>
> Starcontrol 3 doesn't even run on DOSBox.
Ah, it's still DOS, isn't it? Any idea where DOSBox fails? And what
about a DOS in qemu?
> And it doesn't run at the right speed in Windows XP (might also be the
> processor or memory that is too fast).
Try qemu. You can configure the processor speed there, IIRC.
>>> Starcontrol 2 does though! It is a novel /and/ a game!
>>
>> Someone actually novellised it?!
>
> The readme said it has enough conversation to fill a complete novel!
Ah, so nobody actually did. When are you going to?
emmel
>> On 2008-10-21, Red Dragon <agcl...@lurkerson.net> wrote:
>>> Neo wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>>> And yeah. Let's hope nothing too important was lost.
>>>>> Problem is, I don't really know what was on it. At least not in detail.
>>>>> I guess I'll just find myself missing some old data some time in the
>>>>> future that doesn't seem to exist anymore.
>>>> I heard you can put USB sticks that stopped working in a vacuum bag in
>>>> the freezer. Maybe that will work for your HD too. As a last resort I
>>>> might add, condensation on the platters might ruin it for good.
>>>>
>>> This trick is generally for freeing up stuck heads on HDs. Double
>>> bagging it reduces condensation risk. I was able to get one of my HDs to
>>> work with this just long enough to get important things off it.
>>>
>>> Then it promptly sung the song of the head crash. I seem to have an
>>> issue with head crashes.
>>
>> As I said, it's probably the control electronic - no real reason for a
>> head crash, I switched the machine off as usual and didn't hit it with a
>> hammer or something - and besides, I miss about a hundred megs or so of
>> storage where I could backup things to (the actual used amount on the
>> data partition; it was a 160GB drive). Still, something to keep in mind
>> for the next time (hopefully not).
>
> Let me inject you with some hope of recovery of your data.
That would mean I know what data I wanted to recover in the first place
(mirroring a complete hard disk takes time, you know...) and where to
recover it to.
> When you buy a can with inert gas (shouldn't cost you more than 10
> euro), you can open up your case and put the IDE cable and molex into
> the drive.
Why inert gas? Dry air should be fine.
> When you spray the chips on the green board with this air, they will
> start briefly working again. Until they heat up and fail again.
>
> Might need some experimentation to get it right, but my uncle used to
> fix amplifiers and other consumer electronics like this. Well. He used
> the air to find the component that needed to be replaced.
Nice one.
> Just a warning, if you spray the whole can in one go, the can will get
> very cold. Just a warning. I always wait a bit between sprays.
I know that kind of thing. I also know where I could nick some dry ice.
Hm... Maybe I should even try that. In fact they might even sell me
some, I'd just have to bring my thermos along.
Neo
Keep your bad drive for a year and you will remember the most important
stuff! (like Norn sprites for Dragon Norns).
>> When you buy a can with inert gas (shouldn't cost you more than 10
>> euro), you can open up your case and put the IDE cable and molex into
>> the drive.
>
> Why inert gas? Dry air should be fine.
So you don't get corrosion on the components you spray it on? I have
inert gas that I can spray on my components while my computer is turned
on. Never hurts that it doesn't cause any electric or other reactions
:-)
>> When you spray the chips on the green board with this air, they will
>> start briefly working again. Until they heat up and fail again.
>>
>> Might need some experimentation to get it right, but my uncle used to
>> fix amplifiers and other consumer electronics like this. Well. He used
>> the air to find the component that needed to be replaced.
>
> Nice one.
I have seen him fix things this way. Most people would just throw away
the stuff he can fix. Too bad people don't know he can do this and buy
new stuff when they could get it fixed for 25 euro (excluding
components).
>> Just a warning, if you spray the whole can in one go, the can will get
>> very cold. Just a warning. I always wait a bit between sprays.
>
> I know that kind of thing. I also know where I could nick some dry ice.
> Hm... Maybe I should even try that. In fact they might even sell me
> some, I'd just have to bring my thermos along.
I don't know what that is, but it sounds TOO cold :-)
Neo
I don't need a Pentium emulated, I need a whole computer from those days
emulated! Soundblaster support seems to be the biggest problem for these
things. If it was easy they would have put that in Windows itself.
But a full CD-ROM emulation is also needed. So the copy protection will
work.
>> And it doesn't run at the right speed in Windows XP (might also be the
>> processor or memory that is too fast).
>
> Try qemu. You can configure the processor speed there, IIRC.
Here are the complete specs needed to run the game:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Minimum Hardware Requirements:
IBM or 100% Compatible 486/66 MHz, 2X CD-ROM drive, 8MB RAM,
5MB free Hard Drive space, Microsoft(R) compatible mouse
Operating System: Windows(R) 95, MS-DOS(R) 5.0 or higher
Music: Sound Blaster & Compatibles, General MIDI Compatibles
Voice and S/FX: Sound Blaster & Compatibles
Graphics: VESA compatible Super VGA, (640x480, 256 color)
Recommended:
CPU: Pentium(TM)/60 MHz or better
4x CD-ROM Drive or better
65MB free Hard Drive space
Optional:
2 Player Remote Hyper Melee: 9600 BPS or faster modem, null modem
connection, or IPX compliant network.
>>>> Starcontrol 2 does though! It is a novel /and/ a game!
>>> Someone actually novellised it?!
>> The readme said it has enough conversation to fill a complete novel!
>
> Ah, so nobody actually did. When are you going to?
I think there are novels written from the game. But SC2 is just
completely weird. There is a race called the thraddash that evolve with
ever more violent cultures that overthrow the old one.
Like one culture ripped off their own arms on the battle field and waved
with them. That was so brutal that they became the new leaders of their
culture.
Or some surgery race that keeps offering you extra arms and eyes who
also pull pranks in the universe like causing a race to go to war with
another race.
The game is just insane. Almost like a Douglas Adams book.
Neo
You just change the polarity and they won't like what they are feeding
on! (saw that on a startrek episode).
emmel
It's not like I haven't *any* backups. Although it has been a while
since I actually made one. Thing is, all the important stuff I usually
have on my laptop, too. I hope.
>>> When you buy a can with inert gas (shouldn't cost you more than 10
>>> euro), you can open up your case and put the IDE cable and molex into
>>> the drive.
>>
>> Why inert gas? Dry air should be fine.
>
> So you don't get corrosion on the components you spray it on? I have
> inert gas that I can spray on my components while my computer is turned
> on. Never hurts that it doesn't cause any electric or other reactions
>:-)
Air is 77% nitrogen and the oxygen isn't that agressive. After all it
usually gets in contact with it, too. Corrosions would very likely be a
result of condensation, and that's a question of surface temperature and
not the inertness of the gas.
>>> When you spray the chips on the green board with this air, they will
>>> start briefly working again. Until they heat up and fail again.
>>>
>>> Might need some experimentation to get it right, but my uncle used to
>>> fix amplifiers and other consumer electronics like this. Well. He used
>>> the air to find the component that needed to be replaced.
>>
>> Nice one.
>
> I have seen him fix things this way. Most people would just throw away
> the stuff he can fix. Too bad people don't know he can do this and buy
> new stuff when they could get it fixed for 25 euro (excluding
> components).
::nods::
As long as you can get the appropriate parts. If I knew where to get the
right condensators I would have fixed my ols motherboard instead of
replacing it, but condensators with these ratings are hard to get
outside of industrial delivery contracts.
>>> Just a warning, if you spray the whole can in one go, the can will get
>>> very cold. Just a warning. I always wait a bit between sprays.
>>
>> I know that kind of thing. I also know where I could nick some dry ice.
>> Hm... Maybe I should even try that. In fact they might even sell me
>> some, I'd just have to bring my thermos along.
>
> I don't know what that is, but it sounds TOO cold :-)
Dry ice is frozen carbon dioxide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_ice
You shouldn't keep it in your hand too long, that's for sure, but it's
kinda need to play with.
emmel
I'll just pretend yopu never said that.
emmel
::nods::
Use qemu. Although I still don't see why DOSBox doesn't work. You can
throttle the speed of that thing, you know.
>>> And it doesn't run at the right speed in Windows XP (might also be the
>>> processor or memory that is too fast).
>>
>> Try qemu. You can configure the processor speed there, IIRC.
>
> Here are the complete specs needed to run the game:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Minimum Hardware Requirements:
> IBM or 100% Compatible 486/66 MHz, 2X CD-ROM drive, 8MB RAM,
> 5MB free Hard Drive space, Microsoft(R) compatible mouse
> Operating System: Windows(R) 95, MS-DOS(R) 5.0 or higher
> Music: Sound Blaster & Compatibles, General MIDI Compatibles
> Voice and S/FX: Sound Blaster & Compatibles
> Graphics: VESA compatible Super VGA, (640x480, 256 color)
>
> Recommended:
> CPU: Pentium(TM)/60 MHz or better
> 4x CD-ROM Drive or better
> 65MB free Hard Drive space
>
> Optional:
> 2 Player Remote Hyper Melee: 9600 BPS or faster modem, null modem
> connection, or IPX compliant network.
Should work.
>>>>> Starcontrol 2 does though! It is a novel /and/ a game!
>>>> Someone actually novellised it?!
>>> The readme said it has enough conversation to fill a complete novel!
>>
>> Ah, so nobody actually did. When are you going to?
>
> I think there are novels written from the game. But SC2 is just
> completely weird. There is a race called the thraddash that evolve with
> ever more violent cultures that overthrow the old one.
>
> Like one culture ripped off their own arms on the battle field and waved
> with them. That was so brutal that they became the new leaders of their
> culture.
>
> Or some surgery race that keeps offering you extra arms and eyes who
> also pull pranks in the universe like causing a race to go to war with
> another race.
>
> The game is just insane. Almost like a Douglas Adams book.
Nah, it's crazier.
Neo
I made a backup last week (e-mail, downloads and other stuff). I didn't
do it earlier because I didn't have a burning program! I now have a free
one that can verify the data written against the original files.
Something I deem very important when making a backup!
If you want to do that in Windows XP, you have to launch up a command
prompt and do a 'fc /b' for each file. I can put it in a 'for' loop but
it is still too much trouble and kind-of unreliable with the mess I make
in my head when performing such operations. (And checks afterwards to
compensate for this).
>>>> When you buy a can with inert gas (shouldn't cost you more than 10
>>>> euro), you can open up your case and put the IDE cable and molex into
>>>> the drive.
>>> Why inert gas? Dry air should be fine.
>> So you don't get corrosion on the components you spray it on? I have
>> inert gas that I can spray on my components while my computer is turned
>> on. Never hurts that it doesn't cause any electric or other reactions
>> :-)
>
> Air is 77% nitrogen and the oxygen isn't that agressive. After all it
> usually gets in contact with it, too. Corrosions would very likely be a
> result of condensation, and that's a question of surface temperature and
> not the inertness of the gas.
I use one of these
http://www.crcind.com/csp/web/functdisp.csp?country=NL&business=ELECTRONIC&lng=3#CLP
because a computer store here uses that.
I can't find the exact same can though. Maybe they don't make it any more.
(Good subject for the AGLAMI discussion about things that come in cans).
>>>> When you spray the chips on the green board with this air, they will
>>>> start briefly working again. Until they heat up and fail again.
>>>>
>>>> Might need some experimentation to get it right, but my uncle used to
>>>> fix amplifiers and other consumer electronics like this. Well. He used
>>>> the air to find the component that needed to be replaced.
>>> Nice one.
>> I have seen him fix things this way. Most people would just throw away
>> the stuff he can fix. Too bad people don't know he can do this and buy
>> new stuff when they could get it fixed for 25 euro (excluding
>> components).
>
> ::nods::
> As long as you can get the appropriate parts. If I knew where to get the
> right condensators I would have fixed my ols motherboard instead of
> replacing it, but condensators with these ratings are hard to get
> outside of industrial delivery contracts.
He had a computer program for that (two actually). He would select the
parts, dial into their computer and he would get them delivered after a
couple of days.
He lives close to the German border btw, but he closed his shop because,
well, I don't really know. He was best at fixing VRCs and televisions. I
know he can't fix flat screen televisions (I looked at his site and he
actually does!).
Maybe you can send me an e-mail and I will give his homepage and you can
ask him to send you the components over mail. If he is still in business
that is.
>>>> Just a warning, if you spray the whole can in one go, the can will get
>>>> very cold. Just a warning. I always wait a bit between sprays.
>>> I know that kind of thing. I also know where I could nick some dry ice.
>>> Hm... Maybe I should even try that. In fact they might even sell me
>>> some, I'd just have to bring my thermos along.
>> I don't know what that is, but it sounds TOO cold :-)
>
> Dry ice is frozen carbon dioxide:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_ice
>
> You shouldn't keep it in your hand too long, that's for sure, but it's
> kinda need to play with.
They used that to remove a wart on my foot once. It is still gone!
Neo
I think I tried it in XP once, but the galaxy would rotate like mad! And
that was on an Athlon XP 2000+ processor. It is probably worse now.
Since time progresses while you are in the galaxy screen, this is a bad
thing.
Also http://www.dosbox.com/comp_list.php?showID=1727&letter=S seems
inconclusive. They say the game works in .60 but was broken again in
.61.
>>>> And it doesn't run at the right speed in Windows XP (might also be the
>>>> processor or memory that is too fast).
>>> Try qemu. You can configure the processor speed there, IIRC.
>> Here are the complete specs needed to run the game:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Minimum Hardware Requirements:
>> IBM or 100% Compatible 486/66 MHz, 2X CD-ROM drive, 8MB RAM,
>> 5MB free Hard Drive space, Microsoft(R) compatible mouse
>> Operating System: Windows(R) 95, MS-DOS(R) 5.0 or higher
>> Music: Sound Blaster & Compatibles, General MIDI Compatibles
>> Voice and S/FX: Sound Blaster & Compatibles
>> Graphics: VESA compatible Super VGA, (640x480, 256 color)
>>
>> Recommended:
>> CPU: Pentium(TM)/60 MHz or better
>> 4x CD-ROM Drive or better
>> 65MB free Hard Drive space
>>
>> Optional:
>> 2 Player Remote Hyper Melee: 9600 BPS or faster modem, null modem
>> connection, or IPX compliant network.
>
> Should work.
I am not too optimistic about the sound blaster support though. I have a
Sound Blaster 2.0 ISA card laying around just for sound support. Not
sure it will fit on any of the mobo's I have though!
>>>>>> Starcontrol 2 does though! It is a novel /and/ a game!
>>>>> Someone actually novellised it?!
>>>> The readme said it has enough conversation to fill a complete novel!
>>> Ah, so nobody actually did. When are you going to?
>> I think there are novels written from the game. But SC2 is just
>> completely weird. There is a race called the thraddash that evolve with
>> ever more violent cultures that overthrow the old one.
>>
>> Like one culture ripped off their own arms on the battle field and waved
>> with them. That was so brutal that they became the new leaders of their
>> culture.
>>
>> Or some surgery race that keeps offering you extra arms and eyes who
>> also pull pranks in the universe like causing a race to go to war with
>> another race.
>>
>> The game is just insane. Almost like a Douglas Adams book.
>
> Nah, it's crazier.
That would make discussing it completely OT in AGC!
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> On 2008-10-23, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> Starcontrol 3 doesn't even run on DOSBox.
>>>> Ah, it's still DOS, isn't it? Any idea where DOSBox fails? And what
>>>> about a DOS in qemu?
>>> I don't need a Pentium emulated, I need a whole computer from those days
>>> emulated! Soundblaster support seems to be the biggest problem for these
>>> things. If it was easy they would have put that in Windows itself.
>>>
>>> But a full CD-ROM emulation is also needed. So the copy protection will
>>> work.
>>
>> ::nods::
>> Use qemu. Although I still don't see why DOSBox doesn't work. You can
>> throttle the speed of that thing, you know.
>
> I think I tried it in XP once, but the galaxy would rotate like mad! And
> that was on an Athlon XP 2000+ processor. It is probably worse now.
Well, you didn't throttle the speed then.
> Since time progresses while you are in the galaxy screen, this is a bad
> thing.
>
> Also http://www.dosbox.com/comp_list.php?showID=1727&letter=S seems
> inconclusive. They say the game works in .60 but was broken again in
> .61.
OK, that /might/ be a bit of a problem.
>> Should work.
>
> I am not too optimistic about the sound blaster support though. I have a
> Sound Blaster 2.0 ISA card laying around just for sound support. Not
> sure it will fit on any of the mobo's I have though!
Yeah, that's a real problem, isn't it? And actually qemu does a good
job in my experience. Never tried runbning DOS on it, though.
>>> The game is just insane. Almost like a Douglas Adams book.
>>
>> Nah, it's crazier.
>
> That would make discussing it completely OT in AGC!
Oh, yeah. Sorry.
emmel
>>> Keep your bad drive for a year and you will remember the most important
>>> stuff! (like Norn sprites for Dragon Norns).
>>
>> It's not like I haven't *any* backups. Although it has been a while
>> since I actually made one. Thing is, all the important stuff I usually
>> have on my laptop, too. I hope.
>
> I made a backup last week (e-mail, downloads and other stuff). I didn't
> do it earlier because I didn't have a burning program! I now have a free
How could that happen?
> one that can verify the data written against the original files.
> Something I deem very important when making a backup!
I use k3b. And diff rules when it comes to comparing files.
> If you want to do that in Windows XP, you have to launch up a command
> prompt and do a 'fc /b' for each file. I can put it in a 'for' loop but
> it is still too much trouble and kind-of unreliable with the mess I make
> in my head when performing such operations. (And checks afterwards to
> compensate for this).
I *think* there is a diff for windows as well. Anyway, I wasn't away you
could do proper loops in batch files...
>>>>> When you buy a can with inert gas (shouldn't cost you more than 10
>>>>> euro), you can open up your case and put the IDE cable and molex into
>>>>> the drive.
>>>> Why inert gas? Dry air should be fine.
>>> So you don't get corrosion on the components you spray it on? I have
>>> inert gas that I can spray on my components while my computer is turned
>>> on. Never hurts that it doesn't cause any electric or other reactions
>>> :-)
>>
>> Air is 77% nitrogen and the oxygen isn't that agressive. After all it
>> usually gets in contact with it, too. Corrosions would very likely be a
>> result of condensation, and that's a question of surface temperature and
>> not the inertness of the gas.
>
> I use one of these
> http://www.crcind.com/csp/web/functdisp.csp?country=NL&business=ELECTRONIC&lng=3#CLP
> because a computer store here uses that.
::shurgs::
Probably convenient to use.
> I can't find the exact same can though. Maybe they don't make it any more.
>
> (Good subject for the AGLAMI discussion about things that come in cans).
Go, do it.
>> ::nods::
>> As long as you can get the appropriate parts. If I knew where to get the
>> right condensators I would have fixed my ols motherboard instead of
>> replacing it, but condensators with these ratings are hard to get
>> outside of industrial delivery contracts.
>
> He had a computer program for that (two actually). He would select the
> parts, dial into their computer and he would get them delivered after a
> couple of days.
>
> He lives close to the German border btw, but he closed his shop because,
> well, I don't really know. He was best at fixing VRCs and televisions. I
> know he can't fix flat screen televisions (I looked at his site and he
> actually does!).
>
> Maybe you can send me an e-mail and I will give his homepage and you can
> ask him to send you the components over mail. If he is still in business
> that is.
Nah, probably not worth the effort. Besides, I can get condensators that
should work, but getting the ones with the same heat specs is pretty
hard. They probably don't even sell them in Europe.
>>>>> Just a warning, if you spray the whole can in one go, the can will get
>>>>> very cold. Just a warning. I always wait a bit between sprays.
>>>> I know that kind of thing. I also know where I could nick some dry ice.
>>>> Hm... Maybe I should even try that. In fact they might even sell me
>>>> some, I'd just have to bring my thermos along.
>>> I don't know what that is, but it sounds TOO cold :-)
>>
>> Dry ice is frozen carbon dioxide:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_ice
>>
>> You shouldn't keep it in your hand too long, that's for sure, but it's
>> kinda need to play with.
>
> They used that to remove a wart on my foot once. It is still gone!
Acid works as well.
Neo
> On 2008-10-25, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On 2008-10-23, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>> Keep your bad drive for a year and you will remember the most important
>>>> stuff! (like Norn sprites for Dragon Norns).
>>> It's not like I haven't *any* backups. Although it has been a while
>>> since I actually made one. Thing is, all the important stuff I usually
>>> have on my laptop, too. I hope.
>> I made a backup last week (e-mail, downloads and other stuff). I didn't
>> do it earlier because I didn't have a burning program! I now have a free
>
> How could that happen?
I used an illegal copy of Nero for years. But everyone says it is
bloated now. There used to be a time when Nero was the proper tool to
copy copy protected games. But they gave in to the entertainment
industry since. And bloated their product.
>> one that can verify the data written against the original files.
>> Something I deem very important when making a backup!
>
> I use k3b. And diff rules when it comes to comparing files.
Sounds like a pain :-( I just have to check this box 'verify' and it
verifies directly after the burning process.
I think Nero was even better. It didn't reduce speed on bad sectors but
rejected the whole disk when it couldn't read a part at full speed! That
equals better backups!
>> If you want to do that in Windows XP, you have to launch up a command
>> prompt and do a 'fc /b' for each file. I can put it in a 'for' loop but
>> it is still too much trouble and kind-of unreliable with the mess I make
>> in my head when performing such operations. (And checks afterwards to
>> compensate for this).
>
> I *think* there is a diff for windows as well. Anyway, I wasn't away you
> could do proper loops in batch files...
It is confusing though.
for %a in (*.*) do echo %a
works but in a batchfile you have to use
for %%a in (*.*) do echo %%a
to do the same thing. DOS artefact I am sure.
>>>>>> When you buy a can with inert gas (shouldn't cost you more than 10
>>>>>> euro), you can open up your case and put the IDE cable and molex into
>>>>>> the drive.
>>>>> Why inert gas? Dry air should be fine.
>>>> So you don't get corrosion on the components you spray it on? I have
>>>> inert gas that I can spray on my components while my computer is turned
>>>> on. Never hurts that it doesn't cause any electric or other reactions
>>>> :-)
>>> Air is 77% nitrogen and the oxygen isn't that agressive. After all it
>>> usually gets in contact with it, too. Corrosions would very likely be a
>>> result of condensation, and that's a question of surface temperature and
>>> not the inertness of the gas.
>> I use one of these
>> http://www.crcind.com/csp/web/functdisp.csp?country=NL&business=ELECTRONIC&lng=3#CLP
>> because a computer store here uses that.
>
> ::shurgs::
> Probably convenient to use.
My gf bought a new can of air for me. But somehow it seems very
dangerous to me. Even comes with a sheet what to do if you spray in onto
yourself! And you have to ventilate too.
The stuff I had before was much more forgiving. I can't even spray this
on a computer that is in operation!
>> I can't find the exact same can though. Maybe they don't make it any more.
>>
>> (Good subject for the AGLAMI discussion about things that come in cans).
>
> Go, do it.
I ain't hav'n time to play them old pirate games!! ARRRR!
>>> ::nods::
>>> As long as you can get the appropriate parts. If I knew where to get the
>>> right condensators I would have fixed my ols motherboard instead of
>>> replacing it, but condensators with these ratings are hard to get
>>> outside of industrial delivery contracts.
>> He had a computer program for that (two actually). He would select the
>> parts, dial into their computer and he would get them delivered after a
>> couple of days.
>>
>> He lives close to the German border btw, but he closed his shop because,
>> well, I don't really know. He was best at fixing VRCs and televisions. I
>> know he can't fix flat screen televisions (I looked at his site and he
>> actually does!).
>>
>> Maybe you can send me an e-mail and I will give his homepage and you can
>> ask him to send you the components over mail. If he is still in business
>> that is.
>
> Nah, probably not worth the effort. Besides, I can get condensators that
> should work, but getting the ones with the same heat specs is pretty
> hard. They probably don't even sell them in Europe.
'Whatever' as you would put it.
>>>>>> Just a warning, if you spray the whole can in one go, the can will get
>>>>>> very cold. Just a warning. I always wait a bit between sprays.
>>>>> I know that kind of thing. I also know where I could nick some dry ice.
>>>>> Hm... Maybe I should even try that. In fact they might even sell me
>>>>> some, I'd just have to bring my thermos along.
>>>> I don't know what that is, but it sounds TOO cold :-)
>>> Dry ice is frozen carbon dioxide:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_ice
>>>
>>> You shouldn't keep it in your hand too long, that's for sure, but it's
>>> kinda need to play with.
>> They used that to remove a wart on my foot once. It is still gone!
>
> Acid works as well.
I'm not having any plastic surgery!
Neo
> On 2008-10-25, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On 2008-10-23, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>> Starcontrol 3 doesn't even run on DOSBox.
>>>>> Ah, it's still DOS, isn't it? Any idea where DOSBox fails? And what
>>>>> about a DOS in qemu?
>>>> I don't need a Pentium emulated, I need a whole computer from those days
>>>> emulated! Soundblaster support seems to be the biggest problem for these
>>>> things. If it was easy they would have put that in Windows itself.
>>>>
>>>> But a full CD-ROM emulation is also needed. So the copy protection will
>>>> work.
>>> ::nods::
>>> Use qemu. Although I still don't see why DOSBox doesn't work. You can
>>> throttle the speed of that thing, you know.
>> I think I tried it in XP once, but the galaxy would rotate like mad! And
>> that was on an Athlon XP 2000+ processor. It is probably worse now.
>
> Well, you didn't throttle the speed then.
I can't throttle it back to 60 MHz!
>> Since time progresses while you are in the galaxy screen, this is a bad
>> thing.
>>
>> Also http://www.dosbox.com/comp_list.php?showID=1727&letter=S seems
>> inconclusive. They say the game works in .60 but was broken again in
>> .61.
>
> OK, that /might/ be a bit of a problem.
My gf likes the puppets they used to make the game. It is not a bad
game, but everybody hates it because it was made by a new team of
developers.
>>> Should work.
>> I am not too optimistic about the sound blaster support though. I have a
>> Sound Blaster 2.0 ISA card laying around just for sound support. Not
>> sure it will fit on any of the mobo's I have though!
>
> Yeah, that's a real problem, isn't it? And actually qemu does a good
> job in my experience. Never tried runbning DOS on it, though.
I have a functioning PC from that era though.
>>>> The game is just insane. Almost like a Douglas Adams book.
>>> Nah, it's crazier.
>> That would make discussing it completely OT in AGC!
>
> Oh, yeah. Sorry.
By OT I mean completely ON topic of course! InSaNiTy R US!
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> On 2008-10-25, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> On 2008-10-23, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>>> Keep your bad drive for a year and you will remember the most important
>>>>> stuff! (like Norn sprites for Dragon Norns).
>>>> It's not like I haven't *any* backups. Although it has been a while
>>>> since I actually made one. Thing is, all the important stuff I usually
>>>> have on my laptop, too. I hope.
>>> I made a backup last week (e-mail, downloads and other stuff). I didn't
>>> do it earlier because I didn't have a burning program! I now have a free
>>
>> How could that happen?
>
> I used an illegal copy of Nero for years. But everyone says it is
> bloated now. There used to be a time when Nero was the proper tool to
> copy copy protected games. But they gave in to the entertainment
> industry since. And bloated their product.
Yeah, and never went around to allow for copying the new copy
protections. It's still a good piece of software, though.
>>> one that can verify the data written against the original files.
>>> Something I deem very important when making a backup!
>>
>> I use k3b. And diff rules when it comes to comparing files.
>
> Sounds like a pain :-( I just have to check this box 'verify' and it
> verifies directly after the burning process.
Well, k3b does that, too. But I *could* always run diff. And it's only
one command line, so it isn't really a pain in the ass after all.
> I think Nero was even better. It didn't reduce speed on bad sectors but
> rejected the whole disk when it couldn't read a part at full speed! That
> equals better backups!
Well, that makes sense.
>>> If you want to do that in Windows XP, you have to launch up a command
>>> prompt and do a 'fc /b' for each file. I can put it in a 'for' loop but
>>> it is still too much trouble and kind-of unreliable with the mess I make
>>> in my head when performing such operations. (And checks afterwards to
>>> compensate for this).
>>
>> I *think* there is a diff for windows as well. Anyway, I wasn't away you
>> could do proper loops in batch files...
>
> It is confusing though.
>
> for %a in (*.*) do echo %a
>
> works but in a batchfile you have to use
>
> for %%a in (*.*) do echo %%a
>
> to do the same thing. DOS artefact I am sure.
Oh. No wonder I couldn't figure that out. If at least 'man command.com'
had worked....
>>>>>>> When you buy a can with inert gas (shouldn't cost you more than 10
>>>>>>> euro), you can open up your case and put the IDE cable and molex into
>>>>>>> the drive.
>>>>>> Why inert gas? Dry air should be fine.
>>>>> So you don't get corrosion on the components you spray it on? I have
>>>>> inert gas that I can spray on my components while my computer is turned
>>>>> on. Never hurts that it doesn't cause any electric or other reactions
>>>>> :-)
>>>> Air is 77% nitrogen and the oxygen isn't that agressive. After all it
>>>> usually gets in contact with it, too. Corrosions would very likely be a
>>>> result of condensation, and that's a question of surface temperature and
>>>> not the inertness of the gas.
>>> I use one of these
>>> http://www.crcind.com/csp/web/functdisp.csp?country=NL&business=ELECTRONIC&lng=3#CLP
>>> because a computer store here uses that.
>>
>> ::shurgs::
>> Probably convenient to use.
>
> My gf bought a new can of air for me. But somehow it seems very
> dangerous to me. Even comes with a sheet what to do if you spray in onto
> yourself! And you have to ventilate too.
Doesn't sound very safe, indeed.
> The stuff I had before was much more forgiving. I can't even spray this
> on a computer that is in operation!
Huh? What's the point then? (They put alcohol in, lots of alcohol,
didn't they?)
>>> I can't find the exact same can though. Maybe they don't make it any more.
>>>
>>> (Good subject for the AGLAMI discussion about things that come in cans).
>>
>> Go, do it.
>
> I ain't hav'n time to play them old pirate games!! ARRRR!
Suuuure.
>>>> ::nods::
>>>> As long as you can get the appropriate parts. If I knew where to get the
>>>> right condensators I would have fixed my ols motherboard instead of
>>>> replacing it, but condensators with these ratings are hard to get
>>>> outside of industrial delivery contracts.
>>> He had a computer program for that (two actually). He would select the
>>> parts, dial into their computer and he would get them delivered after a
>>> couple of days.
>>>
>>> He lives close to the German border btw, but he closed his shop because,
>>> well, I don't really know. He was best at fixing VRCs and televisions. I
>>> know he can't fix flat screen televisions (I looked at his site and he
>>> actually does!).
>>>
>>> Maybe you can send me an e-mail and I will give his homepage and you can
>>> ask him to send you the components over mail. If he is still in business
>>> that is.
>>
>> Nah, probably not worth the effort. Besides, I can get condensators that
>> should work, but getting the ones with the same heat specs is pretty
>> hard. They probably don't even sell them in Europe.
>
> 'Whatever' as you would put it.
Yeah. Whatever.
>>>>>>> Just a warning, if you spray the whole can in one go, the can will get
>>>>>>> very cold. Just a warning. I always wait a bit between sprays.
>>>>>> I know that kind of thing. I also know where I could nick some dry ice.
>>>>>> Hm... Maybe I should even try that. In fact they might even sell me
>>>>>> some, I'd just have to bring my thermos along.
>>>>> I don't know what that is, but it sounds TOO cold :-)
>>>> Dry ice is frozen carbon dioxide:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_ice
>>>>
>>>> You shouldn't keep it in your hand too long, that's for sure, but it's
>>>> kinda need to play with.
>>> They used that to remove a wart on my foot once. It is still gone!
>>
>> Acid works as well.
>
> I'm not having any plastic surgery!
Huh?
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> On 2008-10-25, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> On 2008-10-23, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>>> Starcontrol 3 doesn't even run on DOSBox.
>>>>>> Ah, it's still DOS, isn't it? Any idea where DOSBox fails? And what
>>>>>> about a DOS in qemu?
>>>>> I don't need a Pentium emulated, I need a whole computer from those days
>>>>> emulated! Soundblaster support seems to be the biggest problem for these
>>>>> things. If it was easy they would have put that in Windows itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> But a full CD-ROM emulation is also needed. So the copy protection will
>>>>> work.
>>>> ::nods::
>>>> Use qemu. Although I still don't see why DOSBox doesn't work. You can
>>>> throttle the speed of that thing, you know.
>>> I think I tried it in XP once, but the galaxy would rotate like mad! And
>>> that was on an Athlon XP 2000+ processor. It is probably worse now.
>>
>> Well, you didn't throttle the speed then.
>
> I can't throttle it back to 60 MHz!
Sure you can. Look up the keyboard controls. CTRL-Fsomething, IIRC.
>>> Since time progresses while you are in the galaxy screen, this is a bad
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> Also http://www.dosbox.com/comp_list.php?showID=1727&letter=S seems
>>> inconclusive. They say the game works in .60 but was broken again in
>>> .61.
>>
>> OK, that /might/ be a bit of a problem.
>
> My gf likes the puppets they used to make the game. It is not a bad
> game, but everybody hates it because it was made by a new team of
> developers.
Well, you shouldn't do that.
>>>> Should work.
>>> I am not too optimistic about the sound blaster support though. I have a
>>> Sound Blaster 2.0 ISA card laying around just for sound support. Not
>>> sure it will fit on any of the mobo's I have though!
>>
>> Yeah, that's a real problem, isn't it? And actually qemu does a good
>> job in my experience. Never tried runbning DOS on it, though.
>
> I have a functioning PC from that era though.
That helps, but it's probably only a question of time until it breaks
down and replacement parts can be hard to get.
>>>>> The game is just insane. Almost like a Douglas Adams book.
>>>> Nah, it's crazier.
>>> That would make discussing it completely OT in AGC!
>>
>> Oh, yeah. Sorry.
>
> By OT I mean completely ON topic of course! InSaNiTy R US!
Well, of course. What else?
Neo
> On 2008-10-29, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On 2008-10-25, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> On 2008-10-23, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Starcontrol 3 doesn't even run on DOSBox.
>>>>>>> Ah, it's still DOS, isn't it? Any idea where DOSBox fails? And what
>>>>>>> about a DOS in qemu?
>>>>>> I don't need a Pentium emulated, I need a whole computer from those days
>>>>>> emulated! Soundblaster support seems to be the biggest problem for these
>>>>>> things. If it was easy they would have put that in Windows itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But a full CD-ROM emulation is also needed. So the copy protection will
>>>>>> work.
>>>>> ::nods::
>>>>> Use qemu. Although I still don't see why DOSBox doesn't work. You can
>>>>> throttle the speed of that thing, you know.
>>>> I think I tried it in XP once, but the galaxy would rotate like mad! And
>>>> that was on an Athlon XP 2000+ processor. It is probably worse now.
>>> Well, you didn't throttle the speed then.
>> I can't throttle it back to 60 MHz!
>
> Sure you can. Look up the keyboard controls. CTRL-Fsomething, IIRC.
With qemu you mean?
In my bios I can turn down the FSB speed and then the clock multiplier
on my CPU. But if it is the same as a Pentium I I'm not sure.
>>>> Since time progresses while you are in the galaxy screen, this is a bad
>>>> thing.
>>>>
>>>> Also http://www.dosbox.com/comp_list.php?showID=1727&letter=S seems
>>>> inconclusive. They say the game works in .60 but was broken again in
>>>> .61.
>>> OK, that /might/ be a bit of a problem.
>> My gf likes the puppets they used to make the game. It is not a bad
>> game, but everybody hates it because it was made by a new team of
>> developers.
>
> Well, you shouldn't do that.
I agree that SC2 is better than SC3. But I had a psychosis when I played
SC3 which kind of added an extra layer of entertainment. There were the
robotic daktaklakpak and I tried to reprogram them by trying every
possible combination of talking to them. I had a whole form of logic to
do this. Then it turned out you get an artefact on some planet that just
turns them off.
Hmm, maybe SC3 wasn't that good a game after all.
>>>>> Should work.
>>>> I am not too optimistic about the sound blaster support though. I have a
>>>> Sound Blaster 2.0 ISA card laying around just for sound support. Not
>>>> sure it will fit on any of the mobo's I have though!
>>> Yeah, that's a real problem, isn't it? And actually qemu does a good
>>> job in my experience. Never tried runbning DOS on it, though.
>> I have a functioning PC from that era though.
>
> That helps, but it's probably only a question of time until it breaks
> down and replacement parts can be hard to get.
My dad still has a functioning 486 with soundblaster (mono). It is a bit
slow for some of the later games, but somehow it never broke down. Good
karma I guess!
Neo
> On 2008-10-29, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On 2008-10-25, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> On 2008-10-23, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>>>> Keep your bad drive for a year and you will remember the most important
>>>>>> stuff! (like Norn sprites for Dragon Norns).
>>>>> It's not like I haven't *any* backups. Although it has been a while
>>>>> since I actually made one. Thing is, all the important stuff I usually
>>>>> have on my laptop, too. I hope.
>>>> I made a backup last week (e-mail, downloads and other stuff). I didn't
>>>> do it earlier because I didn't have a burning program! I now have a free
>>> How could that happen?
>> I used an illegal copy of Nero for years. But everyone says it is
>> bloated now. There used to be a time when Nero was the proper tool to
>> copy copy protected games. But they gave in to the entertainment
>> industry since. And bloated their product.
>
> Yeah, and never went around to allow for copying the new copy
> protections. It's still a good piece of software, though.
There is CloneDVD from Slysoft now. But what is the point if you
download it cracked and ready to burn from the internet?
There is the help command. I still have that on a Windows 98SE cd-rom I
think. Explains it pretty well!
'Dimethyl Ether' it says on the safety sheet. I guess it is very cheap
and fits in cans.
emmel
>>>>> I think I tried it in XP once, but the galaxy would rotate like
>>>>> mad! And that was on an Athlon XP 2000+ processor. It is probably
>>>>> worse now.
>>>> Well, you didn't throttle the speed then.
>>> I can't throttle it back to 60 MHz!
>>
>> Sure you can. Look up the keyboard controls. CTRL-Fsomething, IIRC.
>
> With qemu you mean?
DOSBox.
> In my bios I can turn down the FSB speed and then the clock multiplier
> on my CPU. But if it is the same as a Pentium I I'm not sure.
Nah, I don't think there's a chance you'll be able to slow it doen
enough this way.
>>>>> Since time progresses while you are in the galaxy screen, this is
>>>>> a bad thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also http://www.dosbox.com/comp_list.php?showID=1727&letter=S
>>>>> seems inconclusive. They say the game works in .60 but was broken
>>>>> again in .61.
>>>> OK, that /might/ be a bit of a problem.
>>> My gf likes the puppets they used to make the game. It is not a bad
>>> game, but everybody hates it because it was made by a new team of
>>> developers.
>>
>> Well, you shouldn't do that.
>
> I agree that SC2 is better than SC3. But I had a psychosis when I
> played SC3 which kind of added an extra layer of entertainment. There
> were the
Well, if you say it.
> robotic daktaklakpak and I tried to reprogram them by trying every
> possible combination of talking to them. I had a whole form of logic
> to do this. Then it turned out you get an artefact on some planet that
> just turns them off.
Oh, that's just boring.
> Hmm, maybe SC3 wasn't that good a game after all.
::shrugs::
Who cares, as log as you enjoy it.
>>>>>> Should work.
>>>>> I am not too optimistic about the sound blaster support though. I have a
>>>>> Sound Blaster 2.0 ISA card laying around just for sound support. Not
>>>>> sure it will fit on any of the mobo's I have though!
>>>> Yeah, that's a real problem, isn't it? And actually qemu does a good
>>>> job in my experience. Never tried runbning DOS on it, though.
>>> I have a functioning PC from that era though.
>>
>> That helps, but it's probably only a question of time until it breaks
>> down and replacement parts can be hard to get.
>
> My dad still has a functioning 486 with soundblaster (mono). It is a bit
> slow for some of the later games, but somehow it never broke down. Good
> karma I guess!
There's still a pentium 60 (original, not fixed) I could get my hands
on...
emmel
>>> I used an illegal copy of Nero for years. But everyone says it is
>>> bloated now. There used to be a time when Nero was the proper tool to
>>> copy copy protected games. But they gave in to the entertainment
>>> industry since. And bloated their product.
>>
>> Yeah, and never went around to allow for copying the new copy
>> protections. It's still a good piece of software, though.
>
> There is CloneDVD from Slysoft now. But what is the point if you
> download it cracked and ready to burn from the internet?
Beats me.
>>>>> If you want to do that in Windows XP, you have to launch up a command
>>>>> prompt and do a 'fc /b' for each file. I can put it in a 'for' loop but
>>>>> it is still too much trouble and kind-of unreliable with the mess I make
>>>>> in my head when performing such operations. (And checks afterwards to
>>>>> compensate for this).
>>>> I *think* there is a diff for windows as well. Anyway, I wasn't away you
>>>> could do proper loops in batch files...
>>> It is confusing though.
>>>
>>> for %a in (*.*) do echo %a
>>>
>>> works but in a batchfile you have to use
>>>
>>> for %%a in (*.*) do echo %%a
>>>
>>> to do the same thing. DOS artefact I am sure.
>>
>> Oh. No wonder I couldn't figure that out. If at least 'man command.com'
>> had worked....
>
> There is the help command. I still have that on a Windows 98SE cd-rom I
> think. Explains it pretty well!
Hm... I can't remember that help being very... helpful. Ah, who cares.
What do I have bash for.
OK, so it's not exactly an alcohol. Close enough, though, and highly
flammable.
Neo
> On 2008-11-02, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On 2008-10-29, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>> I used an illegal copy of Nero for years. But everyone says it is
>>>> bloated now. There used to be a time when Nero was the proper tool to
>>>> copy copy protected games. But they gave in to the entertainment
>>>> industry since. And bloated their product.
>>> Yeah, and never went around to allow for copying the new copy
>>> protections. It's still a good piece of software, though.
>> There is CloneDVD from Slysoft now. But what is the point if you
>> download it cracked and ready to burn from the internet?
>
> Beats me.
Yeah, DVD and CD protections are old technology!
>>>>>> If you want to do that in Windows XP, you have to launch up a command
>>>>>> prompt and do a 'fc /b' for each file. I can put it in a 'for' loop but
>>>>>> it is still too much trouble and kind-of unreliable with the mess I make
>>>>>> in my head when performing such operations. (And checks afterwards to
>>>>>> compensate for this).
>>>>> I *think* there is a diff for windows as well. Anyway, I wasn't away you
>>>>> could do proper loops in batch files...
>>>> It is confusing though.
>>>>
>>>> for %a in (*.*) do echo %a
>>>>
>>>> works but in a batchfile you have to use
>>>>
>>>> for %%a in (*.*) do echo %%a
>>>>
>>>> to do the same thing. DOS artefact I am sure.
>>> Oh. No wonder I couldn't figure that out. If at least 'man command.com'
>>> had worked....
>> There is the help command. I still have that on a Windows 98SE cd-rom I
>> think. Explains it pretty well!
>
> Hm... I can't remember that help being very... helpful. Ah, who cares.
> What do I have bash for.
The help from Windows 9x is pretty good. The Windows XP help is lousy.
I see now that the help from 9x is actually the help from MS-DOS 6.22.
Now I need to find something I want to burn. Can't those flames kick
back into your can, causing it to explode?
Neo
> On 2008-11-02, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On 2008-10-29, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>>>> Since time progresses while you are in the galaxy screen, this is
>>>>>> a bad thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also http://www.dosbox.com/comp_list.php?showID=1727&letter=S
>>>>>> seems inconclusive. They say the game works in .60 but was broken
>>>>>> again in .61.
>>>>> OK, that /might/ be a bit of a problem.
>>>> My gf likes the puppets they used to make the game. It is not a bad
>>>> game, but everybody hates it because it was made by a new team of
>>>> developers.
>>> Well, you shouldn't do that.
>> I agree that SC2 is better than SC3. But I had a psychosis when I
>> played SC3 which kind of added an extra layer of entertainment. There
>> were the
>
> Well, if you say it.
>
>> robotic daktaklakpak and I tried to reprogram them by trying every
>> possible combination of talking to them. I had a whole form of logic
>> to do this. Then it turned out you get an artefact on some planet that
>> just turns them off.
>
> Oh, that's just boring.
The daktaklakpak spoke a mathematical language. And because they don't
understand you at first they assume you are non-sentient.
Then you work your way up into something to dissect and research to
someone they actually listen to and take advice from. It is then you can
make them blow up by presenting them with false logic.
Kind of sad to see actually. Which is why I wanted to reprogram them.
>> Hmm, maybe SC3 wasn't that good a game after all.
>
> ::shrugs::
> Who cares, as log as you enjoy it.
I did. Played it more than once.
>>>>>>> Should work.
>>>>>> I am not too optimistic about the sound blaster support though. I have a
>>>>>> Sound Blaster 2.0 ISA card laying around just for sound support. Not
>>>>>> sure it will fit on any of the mobo's I have though!
>>>>> Yeah, that's a real problem, isn't it? And actually qemu does a good
>>>>> job in my experience. Never tried runbning DOS on it, though.
>>>> I have a functioning PC from that era though.
>>> That helps, but it's probably only a question of time until it breaks
>>> down and replacement parts can be hard to get.
>> My dad still has a functioning 486 with soundblaster (mono). It is a bit
>> slow for some of the later games, but somehow it never broke down. Good
>> karma I guess!
>
> There's still a pentium 60 (original, not fixed) I could get my hands
> on...
If you have the space for it, it is nice to have :-)
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Oh, that's just boring.
>
> The daktaklakpak spoke a mathematical language. And because they don't
> understand you at first they assume you are non-sentient.
>
> Then you work your way up into something to dissect and research to
> someone they actually listen to and take advice from. It is then you can
> make them blow up by presenting them with false logic.
>
> Kind of sad to see actually. Which is why I wanted to reprogram them.
I see.
>>>>>>>> Should work.
>>>>>>> I am not too optimistic about the sound blaster support though. I have a
>>>>>>> Sound Blaster 2.0 ISA card laying around just for sound support. Not
>>>>>>> sure it will fit on any of the mobo's I have though!
>>>>>> Yeah, that's a real problem, isn't it? And actually qemu does a good
>>>>>> job in my experience. Never tried runbning DOS on it, though.
>>>>> I have a functioning PC from that era though.
>>>> That helps, but it's probably only a question of time until it breaks
>>>> down and replacement parts can be hard to get.
>>> My dad still has a functioning 486 with soundblaster (mono). It is a bit
>>> slow for some of the later games, but somehow it never broke down. Good
>>> karma I guess!
>>
>> There's still a pentium 60 (original, not fixed) I could get my hands
>> on...
>
> If you have the space for it, it is nice to have :-)
And there, ladies and getlemen, is my problem.
emmel
>>> There is CloneDVD from Slysoft now. But what is the point if you
>>> download it cracked and ready to burn from the internet?
>>
>> Beats me.
>
> Yeah, DVD and CD protections are old technology!
Old and annoying. *Some* people have actually given in, but all the big
players unfortunately don't give a damn what people want.
> The help from Windows 9x is pretty good. The Windows XP help is lousy.
> I see now that the help from 9x is actually the help from MS-DOS 6.22.
Ah. That explains it.
>>>>> The stuff I had before was much more forgiving. I can't even spray this
>>>>> on a computer that is in operation!
>>>> Huh? What's the point then? (They put alcohol in, lots of alcohol,
>>>> didn't they?)
>>> 'Dimethyl Ether' it says on the safety sheet. I guess it is very cheap
>>> and fits in cans.
>>
>> OK, so it's not exactly an alcohol. Close enough, though, and highly
>> flammable.
>
> Now I need to find something I want to burn. Can't those flames kick
> back into your can, causing it to explode?
I don't think so, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Gas is tricky, but
at least in theory the contents of the can shouldn't be flammable - only
once they have been vapourised and exposed to the air. Should be about
the same as with alcohol based deos and there seems not to be a problem
there. Still, I suggest wearing appropritate safety gear when
experimenting with potentially dangerous stuff.
Neo
> On 2008-11-10, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>> emmel wrote:
>>> On 2008-11-02, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>> There is CloneDVD from Slysoft now. But what is the point if you
>>>> download it cracked and ready to burn from the internet?
>>> Beats me.
>> Yeah, DVD and CD protections are old technology!
>
> Old and annoying. *Some* people have actually given in, but all the big
> players unfortunately don't give a damn what people want.
The newest version of the Securom protection make a hardware ID from
your computer and check it against a database online. If you install
more than e.g. 3 times, you are blocked. It also still needs the DVD in
the drive I think.
>> The help from Windows 9x is pretty good. The Windows XP help is lousy.
>> I see now that the help from 9x is actually the help from MS-DOS 6.22.
>
> Ah. That explains it.
I love MS-DOS. I grew up with it. I can hack to it quite some extend!
If my parents would have bought me an MSX (my favourite when I was
young). I no doubt would have loved the MSX operating system.
>>>>>> The stuff I had before was much more forgiving. I can't even spray this
>>>>>> on a computer that is in operation!
>>>>> Huh? What's the point then? (They put alcohol in, lots of alcohol,
>>>>> didn't they?)
>>>> 'Dimethyl Ether' it says on the safety sheet. I guess it is very cheap
>>>> and fits in cans.
>>> OK, so it's not exactly an alcohol. Close enough, though, and highly
>>> flammable.
>> Now I need to find something I want to burn. Can't those flames kick
>> back into your can, causing it to explode?
>
> I don't think so, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Gas is tricky, but
> at least in theory the contents of the can shouldn't be flammable - only
> once they have been vapourised and exposed to the air. Should be about
> the same as with alcohol based deos and there seems not to be a problem
> there. Still, I suggest wearing appropritate safety gear when
> experimenting with potentially dangerous stuff.
Probably not worth the money to buy another can from (yes, I used half
of the contents of the can already, it is a big can but there is not
much gas (liquid) in it!)
How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
I fear I might have been distracted from reinstalling my sisters
computer and tweaking it for a week.
Neo
Maybe you should throw away some empty pizza boxes ;-)
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> On 2008-11-10, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> On 2008-11-02, Neo <wh...@thematrix.is> wrote:
>>>>> There is CloneDVD from Slysoft now. But what is the point if you
>>>>> download it cracked and ready to burn from the internet?
>>>> Beats me.
>>> Yeah, DVD and CD protections are old technology!
>>
>> Old and annoying. *Some* people have actually given in, but all the big
>> players unfortunately don't give a damn what people want.
>
> The newest version of the Securom protection make a hardware ID from
> your computer and check it against a database online. If you install
> more than e.g. 3 times, you are blocked. It also still needs the DVD in
> the drive I think.
I faintly remember something the securom folks said... They provide a
toolkit with several authentication options (including internet based
stuff). What actually gets used is up to the publisher. And the
publishers are absolutely mad. There are some who seem to care for their
consumers, though. I know one example where the copy protection was
completely dropped after an update; there might be more.
>>> The help from Windows 9x is pretty good. The Windows XP help is lousy.
>>> I see now that the help from 9x is actually the help from MS-DOS 6.22.
>>
>> Ah. That explains it.
>
> I love MS-DOS. I grew up with it. I can hack to it quite some extend!
Once I saw the true light that is a Unix shell... DOS just didn't give
me kicks any more. It's just a shady reflection of what real power looks
like.
> If my parents would have bought me an MSX (my favourite when I was
> young). I no doubt would have loved the MSX operating system.
Can't remember anything called MSX and I'm too lazy to look it up now.
>>>>>>> The stuff I had before was much more forgiving. I can't even spray this
>>>>>>> on a computer that is in operation!
>>>>>> Huh? What's the point then? (They put alcohol in, lots of alcohol,
>>>>>> didn't they?)
>>>>> 'Dimethyl Ether' it says on the safety sheet. I guess it is very cheap
>>>>> and fits in cans.
>>>> OK, so it's not exactly an alcohol. Close enough, though, and highly
>>>> flammable.
>>> Now I need to find something I want to burn. Can't those flames kick
>>> back into your can, causing it to explode?
>>
>> I don't think so, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Gas is tricky, but
>> at least in theory the contents of the can shouldn't be flammable - only
>> once they have been vapourised and exposed to the air. Should be about
>> the same as with alcohol based deos and there seems not to be a problem
>> there. Still, I suggest wearing appropritate safety gear when
>> experimenting with potentially dangerous stuff.
>
> Probably not worth the money to buy another can from (yes, I used half
> of the contents of the can already, it is a big can but there is not
> much gas (liquid) in it!)
Alternatively you could just put some methanol into a soda maker. Ought
to be cheaper and just as good. I think. Maybe.
> How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
Badly.
> I fear I might have been distracted from reinstalling my sisters
> computer and tweaking it for a week.
Ah, that explains it.
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emmel
>>>> There's still a pentium 60 (original, not fixed) I could get my hands
>>>> on...
>>> If you have the space for it, it is nice to have :-)
>>
>> And there, ladies and getlemen, is my problem.
>
> Maybe you should throw away some empty pizza boxes ;-)
Unfortunately I can't do that before I get a couple of empty pizza
boxes...
--
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Red Dragon
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>>>>> There's still a pentium 60 (original, not fixed) I could get my hands
>>>>> on...
>>>> If you have the space for it, it is nice to have :-)
>>> And there, ladies and getlemen, is my problem.
>> Maybe you should throw away some empty pizza boxes ;-)
>
> Unfortunately I can't do that before I get a couple of empty pizza
> boxes...
Does that mean you have full ones?
Man, I really want pizza now...
Neo
One word: Assembly! In MS-DOS there is nothing you cannot do since you
'own' the whole machine at that point.
>> If my parents would have bought me an MSX (my favourite when I was
>> young). I no doubt would have loved the MSX operating system.
>
> Can't remember anything called MSX and I'm too lazy to look it up now.
It was a computer from Philips.
>>>>>>>> The stuff I had before was much more forgiving. I can't even spray this
>>>>>>>> on a computer that is in operation!
>>>>>>> Huh? What's the point then? (They put alcohol in, lots of alcohol,
>>>>>>> didn't they?)
>>>>>> 'Dimethyl Ether' it says on the safety sheet. I guess it is very cheap
>>>>>> and fits in cans.
>>>>> OK, so it's not exactly an alcohol. Close enough, though, and highly
>>>>> flammable.
>>>> Now I need to find something I want to burn. Can't those flames kick
>>>> back into your can, causing it to explode?
>>> I don't think so, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Gas is tricky, but
>>> at least in theory the contents of the can shouldn't be flammable - only
>>> once they have been vapourised and exposed to the air. Should be about
>>> the same as with alcohol based deos and there seems not to be a problem
>>> there. Still, I suggest wearing appropritate safety gear when
>>> experimenting with potentially dangerous stuff.
>> Probably not worth the money to buy another can from (yes, I used half
>> of the contents of the can already, it is a big can but there is not
>> much gas (liquid) in it!)
>
> Alternatively you could just put some methanol into a soda maker. Ought
> to be cheaper and just as good. I think. Maybe.
>
>> How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
>
> Badly.
Sorry about that. Guess we should shift our topics to something girl
dragons enjoy more!
>> I fear I might have been distracted from reinstalling my sisters
>> computer and tweaking it for a week.
>
> Ah, that explains it.
It was actually two days. One day of backing up the system and searching
for malware (so I can tell them not to click on everything that pops up
in their browser!). Checking the hard disk with a low level tool from
Seagate also took quite some time (2 hours iirc).
The next day I reinstalled everything from scratch and the third day I
was just making some final adjustments (like turning off autorun.inf in
windows, so that you can't pass by the screen saver by inserting a USB
stick so to speak).
Then I had to wait for them to pick it up, which they wouldn't at first,
which made me quite mad as they didn't give a date either. As I don't
have a drivers license I depend on people that do (I don't want to be
among those crazy insane zebra drag racers).
Neo
In Germany they wrap your pizza in a newspaper.
Red Dragon
>>
>>> How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
>>
>> Badly.
>
> Sorry about that. Guess we should shift our topics to something girl
> dragons enjoy more!
>
Oh, I read it all. I just don't have anything too insightful to say
seeing as I really only know Windows/MS-DOS inside and out. This is
mostly due to my tremendous PC gaming addiction.
Well, I could go on and on about the insanity of modern copy protection
measures, but I like my fingertips. And I KNOW people's eyes glaze over
when I rant.
It's all about if I feel like I can add anything to the conversation.
Neo
Did I ever mention that I broke MS-DOS copy protections when I was
younger? I am particularly proud of my crack of Starcontrol II as it was
particularly hard to break.
I also broke the protection in monkey island btw, though I am not sure
anymore which episodes.
And I have broken Maniac Mansion I and II, though my crack of Maniac
Mansion resulted in all doors in the game being unlocked. Not just the
steel security door! Which meant I never finished the game the proper
way :-/
I wrote the tools I needed for this myself in assembly.
emmel
I have *none*. Pizza isn't really a regular part of my nutrition.
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> I love MS-DOS. I grew up with it. I can hack to it quite some extend!
>>
>> Once I saw the true light that is a Unix shell... DOS just didn't give
>> me kicks any more. It's just a shady reflection of what real power looks
>> like.
>
> One word: Assembly! In MS-DOS there is nothing you cannot do since you
> 'own' the whole machine at that point.
I prefer high level languages. Well, C actually.
>>> If my parents would have bought me an MSX (my favourite when I was
>>> young). I no doubt would have loved the MSX operating system.
>>
>> Can't remember anything called MSX and I'm too lazy to look it up now.
>
> It was a computer from Philips.
::shrugs::
As I said: Never heard of it, or at least I can't remember.
>>> How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
>>
>> Badly.
>
> Sorry about that. Guess we should shift our topics to something girl
> dragons enjoy more!
Yes, but what *do* girl dragons enjoy? Except for valiant knights aka
canned food.
>>> I fear I might have been distracted from reinstalling my sisters
>>> computer and tweaking it for a week.
>>
>> Ah, that explains it.
>
> It was actually two days. One day of backing up the system and searching
> for malware (so I can tell them not to click on everything that pops up
> in their browser!). Checking the hard disk with a low level tool from
> Seagate also took quite some time (2 hours iirc).
>
> The next day I reinstalled everything from scratch and the third day I
> was just making some final adjustments (like turning off autorun.inf in
> windows, so that you can't pass by the screen saver by inserting a USB
> stick so to speak).
>
> Then I had to wait for them to pick it up, which they wouldn't at first,
> which made me quite mad as they didn't give a date either. As I don't
> have a drivers license I depend on people that do (I don't want to be
> among those crazy insane zebra drag racers).
Zebra drag racers?
emmel
> Neo wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
>>>
>>> Badly.
>>
>> Sorry about that. Guess we should shift our topics to something girl
>> dragons enjoy more!
>
> Oh, I read it all. I just don't have anything too insightful to say
> seeing as I really only know Windows/MS-DOS inside and out. This is
> mostly due to my tremendous PC gaming addiction.
>
> Well, I could go on and on about the insanity of modern copy protection
> measures, but I like my fingertips. And I KNOW people's eyes glaze over
> when I rant.
Never stopped me. Obviously. ;-)
> It's all about if I feel like I can add anything to the conversation.
You are too good for this world.
emmel
Yeah, and in the Netherlands you always get tulips on them, no matter
what flavour you order...
emmel
> Red Dragon wrote:
>> Neo wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>> How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
>>>>
>>>> Badly.
>>>
>>> Sorry about that. Guess we should shift our topics to something girl
>>> dragons enjoy more!
>>>
>>
>> Oh, I read it all. I just don't have anything too insightful to say
>> seeing as I really only know Windows/MS-DOS inside and out. This is
>> mostly due to my tremendous PC gaming addiction.
>>
>> Well, I could go on and on about the insanity of modern copy protection
>> measures, but I like my fingertips. And I KNOW people's eyes glaze over
>> when I rant.
>>
>> It's all about if I feel like I can add anything to the conversation.
>
> Did I ever mention that I broke MS-DOS copy protections when I was
> younger? I am particularly proud of my crack of Starcontrol II as it was
> particularly hard to break.
It was mostly changing the start vector, wasn't it?
> I also broke the protection in monkey island btw, though I am not sure
> anymore which episodes.
Well, it *definitely* was changing some jump instruction with that one.
> And I have broken Maniac Mansion I and II, though my crack of Maniac
> Mansion resulted in all doors in the game being unlocked. Not just the
> steel security door! Which meant I never finished the game the proper
> way :-/
Oh. Not nice.
> I wrote the tools I needed for this myself in assembly.
I never really got my hands dirty with 8086 assembly.
Red Dragon
> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>>>>> There's still a pentium 60 (original, not fixed) I could get my hands
>>>>>>> on...
>>>>>> If you have the space for it, it is nice to have :-)
>>>>> And there, ladies and getlemen, is my problem.
>>>> Maybe you should throw away some empty pizza boxes ;-)
>>> Unfortunately I can't do that before I get a couple of empty pizza
>>> boxes...
>> Does that mean you have full ones?
>>
>> Man, I really want pizza now...
>
> I have *none*. Pizza isn't really a regular part of my nutrition.
Yeah, mine either. Thus the reason I have a desire for some.
Red Dragon
> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>
>> Neo wrote:
>>
>>>>> How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
>>>> Badly.
>>> Sorry about that. Guess we should shift our topics to something girl
>>> dragons enjoy more!
>> Oh, I read it all. I just don't have anything too insightful to say
>> seeing as I really only know Windows/MS-DOS inside and out. This is
>> mostly due to my tremendous PC gaming addiction.
>>
>> Well, I could go on and on about the insanity of modern copy protection
>> measures, but I like my fingertips. And I KNOW people's eyes glaze over
>> when I rant.
>
> Never stopped me. Obviously. ;-)
It doesn't always stop me either, but I hate it when people respond
point by point and poke a million holes in it. Deflated rants are a sad
sight when they're your own.
>
>> It's all about if I feel like I can add anything to the conversation.
>
> You are too good for this world.
How's that?
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's still a pentium 60 (original, not fixed) I could get my hands
>>>>>>>> on...
>>>>>>> If you have the space for it, it is nice to have :-)
>>>>>> And there, ladies and getlemen, is my problem.
>>>>> Maybe you should throw away some empty pizza boxes ;-)
>>>> Unfortunately I can't do that before I get a couple of empty pizza
>>>> boxes...
>>> Does that mean you have full ones?
>>>
>>> Man, I really want pizza now...
>> In Germany they wrap your pizza in a newspaper.
>
> Yeah, and in the Netherlands you always get tulips on them, no matter
> what flavour you order...
True! Unless they are out of season.
Neo
::gives Red Dragon a frozen pizza::
Just burn it for 20 minutes on 180 degrees Celsius.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> I love MS-DOS. I grew up with it. I can hack to it quite some extend!
>>> Once I saw the true light that is a Unix shell... DOS just didn't give
>>> me kicks any more. It's just a shady reflection of what real power looks
>>> like.
>> One word: Assembly! In MS-DOS there is nothing you cannot do since you
>> 'own' the whole machine at that point.
>
> I prefer high level languages. Well, C actually.
C almost is assembly.
>>>> If my parents would have bought me an MSX (my favourite when I was
>>>> young). I no doubt would have loved the MSX operating system.
>>> Can't remember anything called MSX and I'm too lazy to look it up now.
>> It was a computer from Philips.
>
> ::shrugs::
> As I said: Never heard of it, or at least I can't remember.
Friend next door had one. Fascinating machine!
>>>> How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
>>> Badly.
>> Sorry about that. Guess we should shift our topics to something girl
>> dragons enjoy more!
>
> Yes, but what *do* girl dragons enjoy? Except for valiant knights aka
> canned food.
Not many knights in here. Red Dragon must be starving!
>>>> I fear I might have been distracted from reinstalling my sisters
>>>> computer and tweaking it for a week.
>>> Ah, that explains it.
>> It was actually two days. One day of backing up the system and searching
>> for malware (so I can tell them not to click on everything that pops up
>> in their browser!). Checking the hard disk with a low level tool from
>> Seagate also took quite some time (2 hours iirc).
>>
>> The next day I reinstalled everything from scratch and the third day I
>> was just making some final adjustments (like turning off autorun.inf in
>> windows, so that you can't pass by the screen saver by inserting a USB
>> stick so to speak).
>>
>> Then I had to wait for them to pick it up, which they wouldn't at first,
>> which made me quite mad as they didn't give a date either. As I don't
>> have a drivers license I depend on people that do (I don't want to be
>> among those crazy insane zebra drag racers).
>
> Zebra drag racers?
Yes. They proof white is black and run over old ladies and children at
the next zebra crossing.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>> Neo wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
>>>>> Badly.
>>>> Sorry about that. Guess we should shift our topics to something girl
>>>> dragons enjoy more!
>>>>
>>> Oh, I read it all. I just don't have anything too insightful to say
>>> seeing as I really only know Windows/MS-DOS inside and out. This is
>>> mostly due to my tremendous PC gaming addiction.
>>>
>>> Well, I could go on and on about the insanity of modern copy protection
>>> measures, but I like my fingertips. And I KNOW people's eyes glaze over
>>> when I rant.
>>>
>>> It's all about if I feel like I can add anything to the conversation.
>> Did I ever mention that I broke MS-DOS copy protections when I was
>> younger? I am particularly proud of my crack of Starcontrol II as it was
>> particularly hard to break.
>
> It was mostly changing the start vector, wasn't it?
No, SC2 was really hard! I spend a couple of weeks on it and failed.
Then spend another week and success!
It actually mutilated its own code once it was not needed any more. I
think my crack made three jumps to get to the piece that needed
altering.
>> I also broke the protection in monkey island btw, though I am not sure
>> anymore which episodes.
>
> Well, it *definitely* was changing some jump instruction with that one.
I looked up the correct answer from the manual in memory, and then tried
to display that in a copy protection screen.
>> And I have broken Maniac Mansion I and II, though my crack of Maniac
>> Mansion resulted in all doors in the game being unlocked. Not just the
>> steel security door! Which meant I never finished the game the proper
>> way :-/
>
> Oh. Not nice.
That is the problem with interpreters.
>> I wrote the tools I needed for this myself in assembly.
>
> I never really got my hands dirty with 8086 assembly.
I did :-)
Red Dragon
Hmm... Grilled pizza...
I don't do breath temp control, so it would end up rather crispy on the
outside.
Red Dragon
>>>>> How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
>>>> Badly.
>>> Sorry about that. Guess we should shift our topics to something girl
>>> dragons enjoy more!
>>
>> Yes, but what *do* girl dragons enjoy? Except for valiant knights aka
>> canned food.
>
> Not many knights in here. Red Dragon must be starving!
>
Not really. Our major eating holiday did just come and go. I'm rather
full now. Plus there's the pizza...
Neo
A vegetarian dragon?
Neo
You can always cut off the edges of the pizza if it gets a bit burned.
Red Dragon
Goodness no. There's just more things made of meat besides men in tin cans.
Red Dragon
But, I like the crust...
Neo
Dragons?
Neo
Knights are crusty!
emmel
Slowly, but surely I'm getting *seriously* annoyed by that newsserver...
Red Dragon
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>> Neo wrote:
>>>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>>>> Neo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
>>>>>>>>> Badly.
>>>>>>>> Sorry about that. Guess we should shift our topics to something girl
>>>>>>>> dragons enjoy more!
>>>>>>> Yes, but what *do* girl dragons enjoy? Except for valiant knights aka
>>>>>>> canned food.
>>>>>> Not many knights in here. Red Dragon must be starving!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not really. Our major eating holiday did just come and go. I'm rather
>>>>> full now. Plus there's the pizza...
>>>> A vegetarian dragon?
>>>>
>>>> Neo
>>> Goodness no. There's just more things made of meat besides men in tin cans.
>> Dragons?
>>
>> Neo
>
> Slowly, but surely I'm getting *seriously* annoyed by that newsserver...
Hmm, I've been wondering why you've been so quiet.
This is pointless for me to ask, but is it just all of my messages or do
you suspect you miss some of Neo's too?
Neo
> emmel wrote:
>> Slowly, but surely I'm getting *seriously* annoyed by that newsserver...
>
> Hmm, I've been wondering why you've been so quiet.
>
> This is pointless for me to ask, but is it just all of my messages or do
> you suspect you miss some of Neo's too?
I think I am in the middle of you both. I send emmel a picture with the
messages from last week so he can see which ones he misses.
Alternatively you, Red Dragon, could use the same free newsserver that
emmel is using.
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> Red Dragon wrote:
>>>> Neo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
>>>>>> Badly.
>>>>> Sorry about that. Guess we should shift our topics to something girl
>>>>> dragons enjoy more!
>>>>>
>>>> Oh, I read it all. I just don't have anything too insightful to say
>>>> seeing as I really only know Windows/MS-DOS inside and out. This is
>>>> mostly due to my tremendous PC gaming addiction.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I could go on and on about the insanity of modern copy protection
>>>> measures, but I like my fingertips. And I KNOW people's eyes glaze over
>>>> when I rant.
>>>>
>>>> It's all about if I feel like I can add anything to the conversation.
>>> Did I ever mention that I broke MS-DOS copy protections when I was
>>> younger? I am particularly proud of my crack of Starcontrol II as it was
>>> particularly hard to break.
>>
>> It was mostly changing the start vector, wasn't it?
>
> No, SC2 was really hard! I spend a couple of weeks on it and failed.
> Then spend another week and success!
>
> It actually mutilated its own code once it was not needed any more. I
> think my crack made three jumps to get to the piece that needed
> altering.
Sounds tricky. Yes, the good old times...
>>> I also broke the protection in monkey island btw, though I am not sure
>>> anymore which episodes.
>>
>> Well, it *definitely* was changing some jump instruction with that one.
>
> I looked up the correct answer from the manual in memory, and then tried
> to display that in a copy protection screen.
>
>>> And I have broken Maniac Mansion I and II, though my crack of Maniac
>>> Mansion resulted in all doors in the game being unlocked. Not just the
>>> steel security door! Which meant I never finished the game the proper
>>> way :-/
>>
>> Oh. Not nice.
>
> That is the problem with interpreters.
And the great thing about ScummVM.
>>> I wrote the tools I needed for this myself in assembly.
>>
>> I never really got my hands dirty with 8086 assembly.
>
> I did :-)
No kidding.
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Red Dragon spoke:
>>
>>> Neo wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> How is JNCOBOY doing btw?
>>>>> Badly.
>>>> Sorry about that. Guess we should shift our topics to something girl
>>>> dragons enjoy more!
>>> Oh, I read it all. I just don't have anything too insightful to say
>>> seeing as I really only know Windows/MS-DOS inside and out. This is
>>> mostly due to my tremendous PC gaming addiction.
>>>
>>> Well, I could go on and on about the insanity of modern copy protection
>>> measures, but I like my fingertips. And I KNOW people's eyes glaze over
>>> when I rant.
>>
>> Never stopped me. Obviously. ;-)
>
> It doesn't always stop me either, but I hate it when people respond
> point by point and poke a million holes in it. Deflated rants are a sad
> sight when they're your own.
You really think we would do that? Well, actually we might... Forget
that I said anything.
>>> It's all about if I feel like I can add anything to the conversation.
>>
>> You are too good for this world.
>
> How's that?
You only say something when you have to say something. Some people would
liken you to an angel for that alone. Not that I would - I'm a bit more
grounded and would never mix up dragons with angels. Besides, angels are
overrated anyway.
I could have sworn I had already replied to that one. Bloody news
server.
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> One word: Assembly! In MS-DOS there is nothing you cannot do since you
>>> 'own' the whole machine at that point.
>>
>> I prefer high level languages. Well, C actually.
>
> C almost is assembly.
In your dreams. That's like saying the some some hill is almost the
everest.
>>>>> If my parents would have bought me an MSX (my favourite when I was
>>>>> young). I no doubt would have loved the MSX operating system.
>>>> Can't remember anything called MSX and I'm too lazy to look it up now.
>>> It was a computer from Philips.
>>
>> ::shrugs::
>> As I said: Never heard of it, or at least I can't remember.
>
> Friend next door had one. Fascinating machine!
I'll take your word for it.
>>> Then I had to wait for them to pick it up, which they wouldn't at first,
>>> which made me quite mad as they didn't give a date either. As I don't
>>> have a drivers license I depend on people that do (I don't want to be
>>> among those crazy insane zebra drag racers).
>>
>> Zebra drag racers?
>
> Yes. They proof white is black and run over old ladies and children at
> the next zebra crossing.
Ah. The principles of Oolon Colluphid!