Avengers Squadron Site is down- CAPTAIN CISCO ARRESTED!
JayD
you!
Wiseman and Matt
<snip>
whoa!!! ARRESTED???? I didn't know you could do that! I bet his parents
were not too happy with that one. Go mumblebox!!! <does "The Cabbage
Patch" in her honor) You GO girlfriend!!!!
Wiseman of the now safer, happier, and more politically correct G.E.N.E.,
god of C1 genetics.
wis...@garlic.com
mumb...@yahoo.com
http://underworld.fortunecity.com/mortalkombat/752/index.html, is now
down.
Thanks to the many users in this newsgroup, and the various members of
the Wolfpack, on October 13th, 1998, the Avengers site was removed
from Fortunecity, and Captain Cisco himself was arrested for copyright
and trademark violations. To protect his identity, as he is a 15
year-old minor, his name will not be revealed.
From the beginning of this ordeal, the havoc wreaked upon this
community was tolerated until actual sites began to go down as a
result of this so-called Squadron. That was when myself and a few
others took action.
Our first step was to find a way of tracing the ip address of "The
Demon User." That was why I made a parody site called "The Avengettes
Squadron," hoping to lure Cisco to my site. It worked.
Unknown to Cisco, and to many others, installed on my parody page was
a java script that revealed the exact ip of the user and then sent the
information via e-mail. This does not work with Netscape 4.0 and
above, but functioned rather well on the Mozilla 3.05 that Cisco was
using. As a matter of fact, nearly 30 percent of the hits on the site
were reported by Cisco himself. I guess that it burned him horribly
to see that someone was making fun of him, and turning the tables on
him, so he visited often.
With this information, we were able to piece together that he was
using multiple ip's, and multiple computers, at the same time. At
first we believed that Cisco was not working alone, and that perhaps
he ineed had a bunch of little helpers. However, it turns out that
Cisco was accessing the net from an educational institution in
Phoenix, Arizona. We were able to pinpoint the ip's from the nearly
300 hits on the parody site. He gave us all of the information we
needed just by being so obsessive.
While others were busy tracing ip's, since I am not really good with
that kind of work, I took legal action. I contacted my lawyer to see
if there existed a copyright and trademark on the name of The
Avenger's Squadron. Apprently, the copyright at the bottom of Cisco's
page was nothing more than another one of his well-crafted lies.
Remember, a name must be trademarked, not copyrighted. Within 2 days,
I had obtained the rights to the Avenger Squadron name for a mere $125
in legal fees.
After numerous attempts to contact Cisco, my lawyer had me file a
defamtion of character suit and to file a copyright complaint and
trademark infringement against the offender. Using the ip information
that my friends and I provided, the authorities were able to locate
Cisco's base of operations. The eduactional institution also helped a
great deal. I was present for the arrest. He was, needless to say,
rather bewildered.
Of course, he was let go and released of his own recognizance. His
parents apologized to me personally, and I may be gracious enough to
drop the defamtion charge.
The important thing now, is that his site is down. Now I already lnow
that there are a few other mirror sites, which I confronted Cisco and
his parents about. He tearfully claimed, under the glare of his
parents, those mirror sites were not his and were not under control
and were being run by copy-cats. I do not know why, but for some
reason, I believe him. He was rather sincere, and I respect him as
far as one would respect an intelligent but misguided youth. His
parents were rather nice and had no idea what was going on. I asked
them to go easy on him but to monitor his internet access. I am, of
course, going to drop the copyright infringement charge. I've wasted
too much money on this already.
Oh well, one down, a few more to go...
Cisco is grounded for a month, his site is down, and I am happier than
a pig in slop...
The lesson?
Point and Click GUI's can make it easy for one misguided person to
screw with a bunch of people... But mumblebox has alot of friends who
have their own point-and-click GUIs...
Oh, and btw, I removed the ip spoofing java script. If you want it,
you can find it at http://www.javascripts.com. Its out of date, since
Netscape 4.0 security is pretty tight now, but it still may work on
Internet Explorer.
Peace.
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Carol
mumblebox said:
<snip> Captain Cisco arrested!
Jcarrcwalk
Andrew
I support ERFNB (Equal Rights For NewBies)!!!
Hkac
So glad that someone had the knowledge, funds and foresight to prove it.
He's a lucky guy, getting caught while he's still young enough to be forgiven,
(and hopefully learn the error of his ways).
Thanks !
- - - -
HC
safarial
mumb...@yahoo.com wrote in message <3629521...@news.mindspring.com>...
>The Avenger's Squadron site, located at
>http://underworld.fortunecity.com/mortalkombat/752/index.html, is now
>down.
>
>Of course, he was let go and released of his own recognizance. His
>parents apologized to me personally, and I may be gracious enough to
>drop the defamtion charge.
That would be WRONG!!! If the little sociopath learns at this early age
that bad actions have bad consequences, then there is a chance he will not
grow up to be a big sociopath.
>
>The important thing now, is that his site is down. Now I already lnow
>that there are a few other mirror sites, which I confronted Cisco and
>his parents about. He tearfully claimed, under the glare of his
>parents, those mirror sites were not his and were not under control
>and were being run by copy-cats.
Could it be his tears were of remorse at what he did, or remorse at getting
caught?
> I do not know why, but for some reason, I believe him.
With no reason, that's foolish. Sociopaths lie, and lie well. They truly
believe anything is legal or moral as long as it furthers their own ends or
desires.
> He was rather sincere, and I respect him as
>far as one would respect an intelligent but misguided youth. His
>parents were rather nice and had no idea what was going on. I asked
>them to go easy on him but to monitor his internet access. I am, of
>course, going to drop the copyright infringement charge. I've wasted
>too much money on this already.
That would be WRONG. See above. Allowing children to get away with bad
behavior is not doing them any favors. Showing them the consequences of bad
behavior so they can avoid bad behavior, and thus prison, as adults, is.
>
>Oh well, one down, a few more to go...
>Cisco is grounded for a month, his site is down, and I am happier than
>a pig in slop...
>
>The lesson?
>Point and Click GUI's can make it easy for one misguided person to
>screw with a bunch of people... But mumblebox has alot of friends who
>have their own point-and-click GUIs...
>
>Oh, and btw, I removed the ip spoofing java script. If you want it,
>you can find it at http://www.javascripts.com. Its out of date, since
>Netscape 4.0 security is pretty tight now, but it still may work on
>Internet Explorer.
>
>Peace.
>---------
>HEY! WHAT? HUH? YOUR WHAT? UMMM. I think I'm lost.
>---------
>Swimming Norns???!? You gotta be kidding!
>---------
>Mumblebox, the eternal newbie.
>Visit my site to download C2 Norns, Cobs, and more!!!
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SafariAl
Angel Rivera
[snip a daring tale of bravado, courage, and all-around good feelings
that will leave the newsgroup dancing for joy until the end of eternity
or at least until, what was it you said, a month I think it was, and I'm
sure that's long enough for feasting and banquests and harmony and
singing and sunshine and pretty flowers and pretty girls (or guys if you
swing that way) and then we'll all jump up and down and laugh and start
hallucinating because all of us in that close-together space will
consume all the oxygen and our brains will die slowly and we'll all be
too happy to care...]
GREAT GOING MUMBLEBOX!
=> Jason!
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Ping
mumb...@yahoo.com wrote in message <3629521...@news.mindspring.com>...
>The Avenger's Squadron site, located at
>http://underworld.fortunecity.com/mortalkombat/752/index.html, is now
>down.
>
<snip>
Wow, if you really did do that, you deserve a "Shrine to Mumblebox" page.
Hail mumblebox, saviour of AGC.
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Lis Morris
Great work, there, Mumblebox! I wish I had your knowledge of the internet,
and your deviousness (and enough money to hire a lawyer, come to that <g>).
However, Could I urge you not to press defamation charges? I think the poor
kid has been terrified out of his mind by the fact that he could be traced
like this. I think pressing charges could have the opposite effect to what's
intended- make him bitter and more likely to try to screw the system in the
future.
I think it's time to show some forgiveness, myself.
Ok, you can flame me to your heart's content now <g>
--
Lis Morris,
Evil Shee potato grower, and namer of Borland.
The Mermaid Thingy nailed to the boughs of the Jolly Weeble!
The Palace:
www.shee.demon.co.uk
Ping
Lis Morris wrote in message
<908699889.5038.0...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>
>I think it's time to show some forgiveness, myself.
>
>Ok, you can flame me to your heart's content now <g>
>
Why? he tried to get our Internet Accounts pulled, he broke a wheelbarrow
full of laws, and just kept doing it, this has been going on for months and
months now. The least he could do is post an apolagy to us all, or better
yet, E-mail us all personally and apolagize.
Ping
Zizzleblazz wrote in message <3629f1a7...@news.raistlin.net>...
>
>I wouldn't, HE didn't show any mercy etc...getting people falsely
>accused of spamming etc, that kid, if he wasn't caught was out to
>wreak havoc, and would've stopped at NOTHING.
Exactly. Normally I would just let it go, but this has gone too far.....
The death threats, and everything else, just can't be forgotten in a few
minutes.
>"You get what you deserve" Charges should be followed up on him, and
>he should lose his internet access, or at least only have access under
>supervision.
>
That's it. He should be punished, or at least made to apolagize to everyone
he tried to throw off the Internet. And his Net access should cancelled
completely. He should have a little chip inserted into his neck to make
sure he never gets within 100 feet of other humans ever again.
>
>I agree with PING. Captain Cisco badcritter push badcritter into
>volcano go bibble bibble boop icky icky icky fitang nee wom!!!!
"Norn hit Sisko, Sisko moron"
TeEnWhIz
<glares at those that were still trying to blame him>. I would say I felt
sorry for him, but after trying to replicate my signature to get me in trouble,
naa, I think we should have a sacrafice though LOL :)) TeeN Extremely happy,
push handcuffs.
The one Determined!
-=~`TeeNWhiz'~=-
Sarcasm God's Apprentice!
"So you are Ping!"-Miff
TeenWhiz of the Wolf Pack
Hkac
"Ping" <Pi...@nospam.demon.co.uk wrote:
>Lis Morris wrote in message
><908699889.5038.0...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>
>>
>>I think it's time to show some forgiveness, myself.
>>
>>Ok, you can flame me to your heart's content now <g>
>>
>
>Why? he tried to get our Internet Accounts pulled, he broke a wheelbarrow
>full of laws, and just kept doing it, this has been going on for months and
>months now. The least he could do is post an apolagy to us all, or better
>yet, E-mail us all personally and apolagize.
>
Why ? How 'bout 'cause he's just a stupid little kid. Yeah, he though he was
pretty smart, but now he knows he can't do that stuff and get away with it.
He's grounded for a month and his mommy's mad at him. *IF* he has no prior
charges, I think he should be given a break. If he does it again. *Hang him*
I for one believe in turning the other cheek. If the problem ends there,
great! If it gets struck too, then I'll stomp the sorry slob into the ground.
(And if I ain't big enough, bet I can find a bigger stick.)
Angel Rivera
>If he does it again. *Hang him*
I think that's the best idea...
=> Jason!
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Push full extent of the law! He should be banned from the net for life (as in
until he dies as opposed to 10yrs or something)
Madfish - Hater of all that is Mindlessscape
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Ping
Hkac wrote in message <19981018102915...@ng16.aol.com>...
>
>Why ? How 'bout 'cause he's just a stupid little kid. Yeah, he though he
was
>pretty smart, but now he knows he can't do that stuff and get away with it.
>He's grounded for a month and his mommy's mad at him. *IF* he has no prior
>charges, I think he should be given a break.
No, he shoulnd't be given a break. There's a big fine for Spamming, and
thanks to Sisko's header forging, I could have been landed with it.
>If he does it again. *Hang him*
>
He's already done it again, and again and again. He started with Lyz,
reporting her to her ISP for Spamming. God knows how many others.
>I for one believe in turning the other cheek.
Pfft!
>If the problem ends there,
>great!
But it won't end there, he'll probably just find another newsgroup to do it
to.
>If it gets struck too, then I'll stomp the sorry slob into the ground.
>(And if I ain't big enough, bet I can find a bigger stick.)
You can borrow my pointy stick....Das whittles them for me.
Kristen
Lis Morris wrote:
> Great work, there, Mumblebox! I wish I had your knowledge of the internet,
> and your deviousness (and enough money to hire a lawyer, come to that <g>).
>
> However, Could I urge you not to press defamation charges? I think the poor
> kid has been terrified out of his mind by the fact that he could be traced
> like this. I think pressing charges could have the opposite effect to what's
> intended- make him bitter and more likely to try to screw the system in the
> future.
>
> I think it's time to show some forgiveness, myself.
>
> Ok, you can flame me to your heart's content now <g>
No way I'm flaming this message and you! I didn't know how to put it earlier,
but I share those feelings about what's happened to that kid. Just being traced
down like that is punishment enough, I know I'd be scared out of my wits if
someone I had been annoying online had traced me down and threatened to arrest
me! I'd never do anything of the sort again! (this is said from a 13-year-old
girl, Captain Cisco was 15) Anyway, I always was against harsh punishment, it
usually just makes them even more tough to punish if they decide to do worst,
and one get's pretty mad when he ends up in jail for something that may have
seemed so unimportent as getting people fired up. Well, I better stop before I
create a whole speech, that's my lucky 25 cents!
--
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Kristen
Ping wrote:
> Lis Morris wrote in message
> <908699889.5038.0...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>
> >
> >I think it's time to show some forgiveness, myself.
> >
> >Ok, you can flame me to your heart's content now <g>
> >
>
> Why? he tried to get our Internet Accounts pulled, he broke a wheelbarrow
> full of laws, and just kept doing it, this has been going on for months and
> months now. The least he could do is post an apology to us all, or better
> yet, E-mail us all personally and apolagize.
Yeah, he should say something about how sorry he is, but he is grounded, so...
he probably can't get on the computer. Besides, somehow I don't think he
realized how much trouble he was causing. I mean, he probably thought of it
like annoying a sibling. I've seen kids cause a lot of trouble and never even
realize it until someone tells their parents about it. Then the kid gets a
talking to, maybe a little punishment, and the kid usually won't try it again.
Oh, and I think "months and months" may be a little exagerating. I never even
realized the avengers existed until last month, and I've been checking the
newsgroup since sometime this summer.
--
Stupid and random quotes:
"I believe whatever the little voices want me to." ~ Me
"Do you trust me?" ~ Alladin
Ping
Kristen wrote in message <362A41C3...@geocities.com>...
>Oh, and I think "months and months" may be a little exagerating. I never
even
>realized the avengers existed until last month, and I've been checking the
>newsgroup since sometime this summer.
No, they've been around for months. They started out by defacing my old
Tripod Guestbook back in July.
Angel Rivera
> Fact is, if he hasn't learnt his lesson, he'll probably just
> wait a while, and then try to start up the same old tricks
> again. I mean, getting caught isn't likely to make him
> love this NG or it's regulars any _more_ than he used
> to.
Yeah, but getting caught really might help him. A lot of people,
especially those whose primary Internet experience is the Web, don't
quite realize that *there are real people* on the other side of the
computer screen.
(I had a 'normal' friend who changed into a *seriously* N3WB1E D00D when
he first went into a chat room. I asked him if he would act like that
if he was in a real room talking to real people. "No, but..")
It's entirely possible that this REMINDER that the Internet is not a
world unto itself, but part of Real Life, might stick with him.
Then again, it might not, but this time we know where he lives.
=> Jason!
--
"If women didn't have an emotional weakness for small things with
squeaky voices most of us would have been drowned shortly after birth as
the noisy, filthy nuisances we really were."
--slink
Wafuru
Ping wrote:
> Lis Morris wrote in message
> <908699889.5038.0...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>
> >
> >I think it's time to show some forgiveness, myself.
> >
> >Ok, you can flame me to your heart's content now <g>
> >
>
> Why? he tried to get our Internet Accounts pulled, he broke a wheelbarrow
> full of laws, and just kept doing it, this has been going on for months and
> months now. The least he could do is post an apolagy to us all, or better
> yet, E-mail us all personally and apolagize.
Though I don't really like the way this person was caught (Copywriting his
little AS name, then sueing him for copyright infringement. Very dirty pool.
Two wrongs, no matter what, do not make it right. Flame if you will, but it's
how I was brought up.) I will agree with Ping. I think apologies would be a
good start. Frankly, though he never managed to do anything short of threaten
me... I would like an apology. And the rest of these people deserve one a
hundred fold. While I don't expect this at all... it would certainly be in
order.
- Wafuru
Who no longer has a C drive. ;_;
Quill
You go!
Quill
"Delusional Bosun and Deck Swab Extrordinaire at the Windy Prow of the
Jolly Weeble"
On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 02:27:44 GMT, mumb...@yahoo.com
(mumb...@yahoo.com) remarked in an offhand way:
>The Avenger's Squadron site, located at
>http://underworld.fortunecity.com/mortalkombat/752/index.html, is now
>down.
>
>Of course, he was let go and released of his own recognizance. His
>parents apologized to me personally, and I may be gracious enough to
>drop the defamtion charge.
>
>The important thing now, is that his site is down. Now I already lnow
>that there are a few other mirror sites, which I confronted Cisco and
>his parents about. He tearfully claimed, under the glare of his
>parents, those mirror sites were not his and were not under control
>and were being run by copy-cats. I do not know why, but for some
>reason, I believe him. He was rather sincere, and I respect him as
>far as one would respect an intelligent but misguided youth. His
>parents were rather nice and had no idea what was going on. I asked
>them to go easy on him but to monitor his internet access. I am, of
>course, going to drop the copyright infringement charge. I've wasted
>too much money on this already.
>
>Oh well, one down, a few more to go...
>Cisco is grounded for a month, his site is down, and I am happier than
>a pig in slop...
>
>The lesson?
>Point and Click GUI's can make it easy for one misguided person to
>screw with a bunch of people... But mumblebox has alot of friends who
>have their own point-and-click GUIs...
>
>Oh, and btw, I removed the ip spoofing java script. If you want it,
>you can find it at http://www.javascripts.com. Its out of date, since
>Netscape 4.0 security is pretty tight now, but it still may work on
>Internet Explorer.
>
>Peace.
>---------
>HEY! WHAT? HUH? YOUR WHAT? UMMM. I think I'm lost.
>---------
>Swimming Norns???!? You gotta be kidding!
>---------
>Mumblebox, the eternal newbie.
>Visit my site to download C2 Norns, Cobs, and more!!!
>http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Portal/9995/
Dee
>The Avenger's Squadron site, located at
>http://underworld.fortunecity.com/mortalkombat/752/index.html, is now
>down.
>
>Thanks to the many users in this newsgroup, and the various members of
>the Wolfpack, on October 13th, 1998, the Avengers site was removed
>from Fortunecity, and Captain Cisco himself was arrested for copyright
>and trademark violations. To protect his identity, as he is a 15
>year-old minor, his name will not be revealed.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely fabulous! That would explain why I haven't heard from them
in a few days.
Too cool!! I was going to consult someone tonight about this whole
mess but thankfully I don't have to and can get back to my normal
life.
Great job!!!
Dee
I'm not as think as you dumb I am!
Queen of OOPS, Head of Website Security
Kristen
Angel Rivera wrote:
> Hkac wrote:
> >If he does it again. *Hang him*
>
> I think that's the best idea...
Wait a minute, I just read a message saying that death threats are a
federal offense, and you guys are already planning his death? Is it just
me or is there something wrong with this picture?--
Angel Rivera
> Angel Rivera wrote:
> > Hkac wrote:
> > >If he does it again. *Hang him*
> >
> > I think that's the best idea...
>
> Wait a minute, I just read a message saying that death threats are a
> federal offense, and you guys are already planning his death? Is it
> just me or is there something wrong with this picture?--
Not if you take "Hang him" as a figure of speech, as I did (and assumed
Hkac did also)...
=> Jason!
--
If the US government is supposed to be so religion-neutral, then why
does the Library of Congress list Bibles under "BS"?
Spoon
> Back to the insanity! :^)
YEAH!
and what do we say girls?
CHAAAAAAAAAAAARGE IT!!!!
Spoon
> Why ? How 'bout 'cause he's just a stupid little kid. Yeah, he though he was
> pretty smart, but now he knows he can't do that stuff and get away with it.
> He's grounded for a month and his mommy's mad at him. *IF* he has no prior
> charges, I think he should be given a break. If he does it again. *Hang him*
Oy! so true!
> I for one believe in turning the other cheek. If the problem ends there,
> great! If it gets struck too, then I'll stomp the sorry slob into the ground.
> (And if I ain't big enough, bet I can find a bigger stick.)
yesh! ill stomp him! i hate GOOD people, like Lis, Stefan, Frimlin,
Wafuru, etc getting threats adn stuff... i really do! :)
Spoon
> You can borrow my pointy stick....Das whittles them for me.
or my 2x4, or my lead pipe (even tho i use it for plumbing water to my
faucet), or my PVC pipe (yikes! there goes my sprinkler system!)
Spoon
> whoa!!! ARRESTED???? I didn't know you could do that! I bet his parents
> were not too happy with that one. Go mumblebox!!! <does "The Cabbage
> Patch" in her honor) You GO girlfriend!!!!
ill bet they werent too thrilled too!
girlfriend? her honor? err... isnt mumblebox a he?
Spoon
i knew it! *grins*
hey, doya ave ICQ?