Most unrealistic things about CM 97/98
Morten Hjellegjerde
won't be in CM3 (it's February for all you ______ that hasn't noticed it
yet).
First, goals, I can't stand when my opponents scores a goal in the same
minute as myself (and it's quite often), I mean how often do that happen in
real life.
Second, the interested foreign list, I miss the interesting domestic list,
but let's face it, do you really think a manager could sit on his office
with a list of all the players that would like to join his club?
Third, European cup, almost always will the teams of the league you've
chosen dominating the European cup, once I choosed the Dutch league (and
English & Italian), after a couple of season AZ Alkmaar was almost
unbeatable and was better than Barcelona, Real Madrid, Liverpool or Juventus
ever have been in real life, anytime.
Fourth, national team squad, I've seen national team play with seven players
in a game (seen it a couples of time), would that happen in real life, I
doubt so.
Fifth, unavailable. I agree with the Collyers that a player will always be
sold at the right amount, but why can other clubs make their player
unavailable after they were available for sale and why is your players
unavailable after you bought them. I agree that it's not very likely to sell
a player that you just bought, but why don't scare interested clubs off with
a high price?
Sixth, this is more of a bug I think, when you search on a midfielder you
also get some defenders on your list, they shouldn't be there (I know it's
because they have midfielder as a secret position).
Seventh, manager of the month, if you are Man Utd and moves to Man City late
in the month you'll probably be the manager of the month in Divsion 2.
That's why you as manager got more point in that month, than the Divison 2
managers, even if you weren't close to win the manager of the month award at
Premiership, that's silly. I mean you could play a match and win home
against Liverpool and earn yourself some good points and move to Man City
afther that and become players of the month in Divison 2, it's not fair
because as a Premiership manager you earns a lot more points than Divison 2
managers do. By the way, why is there a difference, a Divison 2 manager
could do really good with his team and a Premiership manager disappoints,
but the Premiership manager would still get more points, why's that?
Eigth, get rid of these non-existing players, I mean if you're a Liverpool
manager in real life and short of goalkeepers, do you really think that you
just can make up a player in your mind and tell him to go out and play the
match?
Finally, stats, there is a lot of wrong stats of players from countries that
you don't excatly know as powerful football nations. I've seen both age and
other player stats that got to be totally wrong, and get rid of these random
stats, players can have totally different stats from game to game.
Lars Petersen
Morten Hjellegjerde skrev i meddelelsen <737ksv$r57$1...@readme.online.no>...
>I play CM 97/98 all the time, but there is something in this game I hope
>won't be in CM3 (it's February for all you ______ that hasn't noticed it
>yet).
>
>First, goals, I can't stand when my opponents scores a goal in the same
>minute as myself (and it's quite often), I mean how often do that happen in
>real life.
I totally agree with you, but you must consider the fact that it could
happen and therefore, I think, it is a good aspect of the game and it shows
that the Collyers have taken a lot of details into concideration when they
made this game.
>
>Second, the interested foreign list, I miss the interesting domestic list,
>but let's face it, do you really think a manager could sit on his office
>with a list of all the players that would like to join his club?
Couldn't agree more with you here.
>
>Third, European cup, almost always will the teams of the league you've
>chosen dominating the European cup, once I choosed the Dutch league (and
>English & Italian), after a couple of season AZ Alkmaar was almost
>unbeatable and was better than Barcelona, Real Madrid, Liverpool or
Juventus
>ever have been in real life, anytime.
>
I think this is a funny thing, but totally unrealistic!!
>Fourth, national team squad, I've seen national team play with seven
players
>in a game (seen it a couples of time), would that happen in real life, I
>doubt so.
>
Haven't seen this yet, but I agree
>Fifth, unavailable. I agree with the Collyers that a player will always be
>sold at the right amount, but why can other clubs make their player
>unavailable after they were available for sale and why is your players
>unavailable after you bought them. I agree that it's not very likely to
sell
>a player that you just bought, but why don't scare interested clubs off
with
>a high price?
YES!!!!!!!
>
>Sixth, this is more of a bug I think, when you search on a midfielder you
>also get some defenders on your list, they shouldn't be there (I know it's
>because they have midfielder as a secret position).
>
I have also had this happening and I think it's darn annoying!!
>Seventh, manager of the month, if you are Man Utd and moves to Man City
late
>in the month you'll probably be the manager of the month in Divsion 2.
>That's why you as manager got more point in that month, than the Divison 2
>managers, even if you weren't close to win the manager of the month award
at
>Premiership, that's silly. I mean you could play a match and win home
>against Liverpool and earn yourself some good points and move to Man City
>afther that and become players of the month in Divison 2, it's not fair
>because as a Premiership manager you earns a lot more points than Divison 2
>managers do. By the way, why is there a difference, a Divison 2 manager
>could do really good with his team and a Premiership manager disappoints,
>but the Premiership manager would still get more points, why's that?
>
I agree
>Eigth, get rid of these non-existing players, I mean if you're a Liverpool
>manager in real life and short of goalkeepers, do you really think that you
>just can make up a player in your mind and tell him to go out and play the
>match?
This is one of the good things of this game. E.g. if all of your keepers are
out due to injury the computer "makes up" a player. In real life that would
be equal to getting players from the B-squad.
>
>Finally, stats, there is a lot of wrong stats of players from countries
that
>you don't excatly know as powerful football nations. I've seen both age and
>other player stats that got to be totally wrong, and get rid of these
random
>stats, players can have totally different stats from game to game.
>
I agree 100%. Get rid of random stats!!
PS: How come Angelo Peruzzi is so good. Every time I face Juventus it is
virtually impossible to score. In real life it's a different story.
Gar
Morten Hjellegjerde wrote in message <737ksv$r57$1...@readme.online.no>...
>I play CM 97/98 all the time, but there is something in this game I hope
>won't be in CM3 (it's February for all you ______ that hasn't noticed it
>yet).
>
>First, goals, I can't stand when my opponents scores a goal in the same
>minute as myself (and it's quite often), I mean how often do that happen in
>real life.
This does happen in real life, it's just that the tv station / teletext /
newspaper / whatever changes the time to the next minute to make it clear
who scored first. CM3 should do the same to make this clear, even though
it's technically accurate, as the timing is never really crucial.
>Second, the interested foreign list, I miss the interesting domestic list,
>but let's face it, do you really think a manager could sit on his office
>with a list of all the players that would like to join his club?
Agents are constantly sending clubs lists of players whom they manage and
would be interested in a move.
>Third, European cup, almost always will the teams of the league you've
>chosen dominating the European cup, once I choosed the Dutch league (and
>English & Italian), after a couple of season AZ Alkmaar was almost
>unbeatable and was better than Barcelona, Real Madrid, Liverpool or
Juventus
>ever have been in real life, anytime.
This is true, it's probably because there's more of a randomness applied to
the foreign clubs who aren't being directly controlled day-to-day by the
game engine. I'd assume the new engine which runs all the leagues in full
detail will stop this problem.
>Fifth, unavailable. I agree with the Collyers that a player will always be
>sold at the right amount, but why can other clubs make their player
>unavailable after they were available for sale and why is your players
>unavailable after you bought them. I agree that it's not very likely to
sell
>a player that you just bought, but why don't scare interested clubs off
with
>a high price?
I think this came about because they only half-removed the whole
"unavailable" thing in the first place. CM3 should be completely missing
this "feature", I'd have thought
>Sixth, this is more of a bug I think, when you search on a midfielder you
>also get some defenders on your list, they shouldn't be there (I know it's
>because they have midfielder as a secret position).
Yeah, it's searching in the hidden position field, which may or may not give
a more accurate result depending on how you look at it.
>Seventh, manager of the month, if you are Man Utd and moves to Man City
late
>in the month you'll probably be the manager of the month in Divsion 2.
>That's why you as manager got more point in that month, than the Divison 2
>managers, even if you weren't close to win the manager of the month award
at
>Premiership, that's silly. I mean you could play a match and win home
>against Liverpool and earn yourself some good points and move to Man City
>afther that and become players of the month in Divison 2, it's not fair
>because as a Premiership manager you earns a lot more points than Divison 2
>managers do.
Yeah, they should wipe off the previously gained points from a manager's
seasonal record (although obviously not his lifetime record) when the
manager changes division.
> By the way, why is there a difference, a Divison 2 manager
>could do really good with his team and a Premiership manager disappoints,
>but the Premiership manager would still get more points, why's that?
Because the Premiership is a harder league and is therefore harder to win
matches.
>Eigth, get rid of these non-existing players, I mean if you're a Liverpool
>manager in real life and short of goalkeepers, do you really think that you
>just can make up a player in your mind and tell him to go out and play the
>match?
I think these players are youth team players or reserve team players who are
called up in an injury crisis.
>Finally, stats, there is a lot of wrong stats of players from countries
that
>you don't excatly know as powerful football nations. I've seen both age and
>other player stats that got to be totally wrong, and get rid of these
random
>stats, players can have totally different stats from game to game.
Yeah but to be fair these aren't really important are they? They're usually
for players from the Ivory Coast or Zimbabwe who have no real effect on the
game whatsoever.
Gar
Jim Wraith
>>could do really good with his team and a Premiership manager disappoints,
>>but the Premiership manager would still get more points, why's that?
>
>
>Because the Premiership is a harder league and is therefore harder to win
>matches.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The premiership has a higher standard of team but
is it harder? Nope. Most of the teams in the premier league are of a
similar standard (as shown by 'little' teams such as Aston Villa doing
well), and mopst of the teams in division 2 are of a similar standard.
If anything, division 2 is harder, as there is less money, less fans,
less players wanting to join clubs etc..
>>Eigth, get rid of these non-existing players, I mean if you're a Liverpool
>>manager in real life and short of goalkeepers, do you really think that you
>>just can make up a player in your mind and tell him to go out and play the
>>match?
>
>
>I think these players are youth team players or reserve team players who are
>called up in an injury crisis.
CM3 (and most peoples copies of 97/98) has B-squads, so if you can't get
your hands on a spare goalie, this is, to me, bad planning, and you
deserve whatever you get.
One thing I noticed was that computer teams sometimes played outfield
players in goal, despite having a goalie available. It happened for
Anttwerp with Champara, and Liverpool with Murphy. And they both got
fooking hammered :)
--
Jim Wraith
Morten Hjellegjerde
Gar skrev i meldingen <73831c$aib$1...@fire.medianet.ie>...
>
>>First, goals, I can't stand when my opponents scores a goal in the same
>>minute as myself (and it's quite often), I mean how often do that happen
in
>>real life.
>
>
>This does happen in real life, it's just that the tv station / teletext /
>newspaper / whatever changes the time to the next minute to make it clear
>who scored first. CM3 should do the same to make this clear, even though
>it's technically accurate, as the timing is never really crucial.
Yes, it's often been scored just after another teams goal, but excatly the
same minute, I don't think so, I mean it takes over minute to start the game
again.
>
>>Second, the interested foreign list, I miss the interesting domestic list,
>>but let's face it, do you really think a manager could sit on his office
>>with a list of all the players that would like to join his club?
>
>
>Agents are constantly sending clubs lists of players whom they manage and
>would be interested in a move.
Yes, clubs have agents, but do clubs create a list of all players that would
like to koin you, the know some players, of course, but it'll never happen
that you get a list of 300 pages of players you know would be interested to
join your club.
>
>>Seventh, manager of the month, if you are Man Utd and moves to Man City
>late
>>in the month you'll probably be the manager of the month in Divsion 2.
>>That's why you as manager got more point in that month, than the Divison 2
>>managers, even if you weren't close to win the manager of the month award
>at
>>Premiership, that's silly. I mean you could play a match and win home
>>against Liverpool and earn yourself some good points and move to Man City
>>afther that and become players of the month in Divison 2, it's not fair
>>because as a Premiership manager you earns a lot more points than Divison
2
>>managers do.
>
>Yeah, they should wipe off the previously gained points from a manager's
>seasonal record (although obviously not his lifetime record) when the
>manager changes division.
>
>> By the way, why is there a difference, a Divison 2 manager
>>could do really good with his team and a Premiership manager disappoints,
>>but the Premiership manager would still get more points, why's that?
>Because the Premiership is a harder league and is therefore harder to win
>matches.
>
They shouldn't wipe off the previously gained points from a manager's
seasonal record, there should not be a difference at all, winning Division 2
with Burnley would be harder than winning PL with Man Utd, but the Utd
manager would gain more point. It's not fair.
>>Eigth, get rid of these non-existing players, I mean if you're a Liverpool
>>manager in real life and short of goalkeepers, do you really think that
you
>>just can make up a player in your mind and tell him to go out and play the
>>match?
>
>
>I think these players are youth team players or reserve team players who
are
>called up in an injury crisis.
Yes they are, but they do exist in real life. If you have only one
goalkeeper and his injured and you haven't done anything to solve this
problem, it's your problem.
>
>>Finally, stats, there is a lot of wrong stats of players from countries
>that
>>you don't excatly know as powerful football nations. I've seen both age
and
>>other player stats that got to be totally wrong, and get rid of these
>random
>>stats, players can have totally different stats from game to game.
>
>
>Yeah but to be fair these aren't really important are they? They're usually
>for players from the Ivory Coast or Zimbabwe who have no real effect on the
>game whatsoever.
>
>Gar
>
>It's mostly players like you mentioned, but I've always seen players that
were almost a star player for me one game and a disaster in another and with
totally different stats.
Morten
Fil Arkonus
Morten Hjellegjerde wrote in message <737ksv$r57$1...@readme.online.no>...
>
>First, goals, I can't stand when my opponents scores a goal in the same
>minute as myself (and it's quite often), I mean how often do that happen in
>real life.
>
is more annoying when you support the gits that spend too long celebrating
that they don't notice the opponent rushing towards their penalty area. It
probably is a bit too frequent in the game, but one thing we do know for
sure is that the gaming engine will be far superior to CM2 so presumably the
matches will be more realistic.
>
(I skipped a bit 'cause I had nothing to say)
>
>Eigth, get rid of these non-existing players, I mean if you're a Liverpool
>manager in real life and short of goalkeepers, do you really think that you
>just can make up a player in your mind and tell him to go out and play the
>match?
>
But isn't that what Doncaster had to do for most of last season? I have
noticed that if you blatently cheat and kneecap all of the Brazillian World
Cup Squad so that they have to play with imaginary players they still can't
be beaten by lesser teams like Wales or the USA. So perhaps these fake
players should be worse than they already are (I would be interested to find
out how the computer calculates these player stats and ability). I suppose
if there's no one available in your A or B team theres no reason you
couldn't take YTS trainee's, part timers or even the cook, groundsman or
local Union leader into the squad for the day except that you'll lose
horribly and end up being relegated into the conference (and end up at the
bottom of that if Doncasters anything to go by).
JAPS
>Second, the interested foreign list, I miss the interesting domestic list,
>but let's face it, do you really think a manager could sit on his office
>with a list of all the players that would like to join his club?
>
based on ratings between 1-20??? Just accept it as a part of the game. It
was made for your enjoyment!
>Fourth, national team squad, I've seen national team play with seven
players
>in a game (seen it a couples of time), would that happen in real life, I
>doubt so.
>
You're a real MIERENEUKER
japs
Steve_J
<Ark...@Nildram.co.uk> writes
>I've actually seen this quite a lot recently in real life, which believe me
>is more annoying when you support the gits that spend too long celebrating
>that they don't notice the opponent rushing towards their penalty area. It
>probably is a bit too frequent in the game, but one thing we do know for
>sure is that the gaming engine will be far superior to CM2 so presumably the
>matches will be more realistic.
>
is far too frequent is Disallowed goals. How many disallowed goals do
you see in matches? Not many...I once had 3 disallowed goals in one
match...sometimes I wonder if the computer cheats..
--
Steve_J
Morten Hjellegjerde
JAPS skrev i meldingen <739okc$mch$1...@reader3.wxs.nl>...
>>
>>Second, the interested foreign list, I miss the interesting domestic list,
>>but let's face it, do you really think a manager could sit on his office
>>with a list of all the players that would like to join his club?
>>
>My god, this is a game! Do you really think a manager could select players
>based on ratings between 1-20??? Just accept it as a part of the game. It
>was made for your enjoyment!
>
player, I mean you can't see them in real life, so I have no problem with
the ratings. What I have a problem with is the interested foregin list
because it's somehing that can't be hard to change and is totally
unrealistic (that's the two criteria needed to make something even more
realistic in a game). Besides it would be more fun with no interested
foreign list, beacuse it's more challenging without and isn't this game all
about a challenge?
Gar
Steve_J wrote in message ...
>The thing I notice most that is included to make the game realistic but
>is far too frequent is Disallowed goals. How many disallowed goals do
>you see in matches? Not many...I once had 3 disallowed goals in one
>match...sometimes I wonder if the computer cheats..
Yeah, there's too many in the game, although it does give extra dramatic
effect :)
Gar
fountainhead
Morten Hjellegjerde wrote in message <739tq5$nua$1...@readme.online.no>...
having never bothered using the 'interested' list, i don't care a dot about
it - but isn't the whole 'player search' thing completely unrealistic? a
manager can't suddenly call up a list of every midfielder in the world,
together with skills, career history, contract details and valuation!!
it would be more realistinc of you had to say to a scout 'find me a player
with x skills in x division etc etc' and he would come back to you in a few
weeks with a list of possibilities. the more you 'narrow down' his search
(eg, limits on age etc) the quicker he would come back.
f.
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Martin Orr
<founta...@lineone.net> writes
not stop bloody moaning
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Martin Orr
fountainhead
Martin Orr wrote in message ...
>>it would be more realistinc of you had to say to a scout 'find me a player
>>with x skills in x division etc etc' and he would come back to you in a
few
>>weeks with a list of possibilities. the more you 'narrow down' his search
>>(eg, limits on age etc) the quicker he would come back.
>If you want a transfer system like that then buy premier manager 98. If
>not stop bloody moaning
gee. who's in a (5-1) mood today (5-1)
i wasn't (5-1) moaning about anything (5-1) i was just taking the
(5-1) realistic arguement to (5-1) it's next stage
;-)
f.
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Martin Orr
<j...@kildare.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <73hf24$fbi$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>, n4cer
><tho...@yahoo.com> writes
>>Excuse me, but what's the time?
>>
>
FUCK YOU'SE ALL YA BUNCH OF FAGGOTS AND IF YOU DON'T IF WILL FIND OUT
WHERE YOU LIVE AND GIVE YOU THE BIGGEST BEATING OF YOUR LIVES
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Jim Wraith
<tho...@yahoo.com> writes
>Excuse me, but what's the time?
>
five past hun?
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fountainhead
n4cer wrote in message <73hf24$fbi$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
>Excuse me, but what's the time?
about five past
f.
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football is a GAME!!!
Jim Wraith
<mar...@orangeroom.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>
>FUCK YOU'SE ALL YA BUNCH OF FAGGOTS AND IF YOU DON'T IF WILL FIND OUT
>WHERE YOU LIVE AND GIVE YOU THE BIGGEST BEATING OF YOUR LIVES
Oh, we're all of to Dublin in the Green...
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Martin Orr
<ghost...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>Boy Martin.. you want to mellow out a bit...in the rest of the world
>football is a GAME!!!
>
>
than that
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Diablo1880
In article <MZ+SnAAT...@kildare.demon.co.uk>, Jim Wraith
<j...@kildare.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>Because the Premiership is a harder league and is therefore harder to win
>>matches.
>
>Wrong, wrong, wrong. The premiership has a higher standard of team but
>is it harder? Nope. Most of the teams in the premier league are of a
>similar standard (as shown by 'little' teams such as Aston Villa doing
>well), and mopst of the teams in division 2 are of a similar standard.
>If anything, division 2 is harder, as there is less money, less fans,
>less players wanting to join clubs etc..
I hate to burst any bubbles but the manager points you get are worked out by
the clubs reputation the current league or compotition your in. You would get
More points for winning the premiership with a team like wimbledon than a team
like Manchester united or Arsenal. so worse the team the more points you get.
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