v. 3.73 no cd-crack needed!!!!!!
Jans
Dillbert
Jans wrote:
> I need this no CD-crack
John ODonnell
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Jans <jans...@hetnet.nl> wrote in message news:OQFS4#1t$GA.267@net003s...
sta...@earth.com
<joh...@freenetname.co.uk> wrote:
http://www.thedugout.net/download_centre/ - its there
Kim Alsgaard
The Dugout has never and will never contain any CD cracks AT ALL for CM, as
CD cracks are illegal, and thus against our policy.
I hope that you, statto, referred to the normal patch, and not the CD crack.
Kim Alsgaard
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Kim Alsgaard
ask for a cd-crack. I thought that was what you referred to in your reply.
I'm sorry to have misunderstood you. (btw, cd cracks are illegal :)
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Duncan Watt
which you own. It is a myth that they are illegal - once you have
bought the copy of the game you can do many different things to make it
run better according to your specifications - this could include a
cd-crack.
Of course piracy is bad because it will stop new games (such as cm4)
being made. I am a proud owner of all the cm games, but I also use a
no-cd crack on my cm9900 game so that I don't have to keep fiddling
about with my CD-Roms.
controversially yours
Duncan
Kim Alsgaard wrote:
>
> Indeed it is, but as far as i can tell from the topic of this thread he did
> ask for a cd-crack. I thought that was what you referred to in your reply.
> I'm sorry to have misunderstood you. (btw, cd cracks are illegal :)
>
<snip>
Dean Rivers
news:391982E3...@durham.ac.uk...
> Cd- cracks are not illegal if you use them for personal use on a
game
> which you own. It is a myth that they are illegal - once you have
> bought the copy of the game you can do many different things to make
it
> run better according to your specifications - this could include a
> cd-crack.
>
> Of course piracy is bad because it will stop new games (such as cm4)
> being made. I am a proud owner of all the cm games, but I also use
a
> no-cd crack on my cm9900 game so that I don't have to keep fiddling
> about with my CD-Roms.
Now the problem we face is that we don't know the person that needs
the crack personally. They might be lying about having the game, they
might not. And how can you prove they do?
Only idea I had was to recite sections out of the CM book and ask them
to find the relevant data - like PGA Golf needed AGES ago on the 386s
if you diedn't have the floppy disk in, it asked you how many yards
was say, the 18th hole at a certain course... I think if you got it
wrong three times, it crashed on you.
> controversially yours
OOH! Controversial...
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Dean Rivers
news:391982E3...@durham.ac.uk...
> Cd- cracks are not illegal if you use them for personal use on a
game
> which you own. It is a myth that they are illegal - once you have
> bought the copy of the game you can do many different things to make
it
> run better according to your specifications - this could include a
> cd-crack.
>
> Of course piracy is bad because it will stop new games (such as cm4)
> being made. I am a proud owner of all the cm games, but I also use
a
> no-cd crack on my cm9900 game so that I don't have to keep fiddling
> about with my CD-Roms.
Now the problem we face is that we don't know the person that needs
the crack personally. They might be lying about having the game, they
might not. And how can you prove they do?
Only idea I had was to recite sections out of the CM book and ask them
to find the relevant data - like PGA Golf needed AGES ago on the 386s
if you didn't have the floppy disk in, it asked you how many yards
jalowick
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videos, even though you own them. I do think that to a great degree it is an
infringment on our personal liberties to have a game which doesn't need a CD
in it to run, but double-checks whether or not you own the game. There has
to be some other way, as I also find it frustrating scrabbling around for my
CD's just so that it can check whether or not i have stolen it.....perhaps a
seasonal check? If you didn't have the disk you couldn't start a new
season....just a thought... The manual idea was terrible, though I did
manage to get to the point where I remembered every single Russian Submarine
class when I used to play The Hunt For Red October......anyone remeber that?
Thought not......
Kim Alsgaard
because any kind of program that modifies the original sourcecode, as it has
been written by the original programmers, is indeed illegal. That was what
Marc Vaughan said to me, so that is what i base my comments on.
(And it doesn't matter if you use it for personal use or whatever you do
with it)
Kim Alsgaard
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Duncan Watt <D.P....@durham.ac.uk> skrev i en
nyhedsmeddelelse:391982E3...@durham.ac.uk...
> Cd- cracks are not illegal if you use them for personal use on a game
> which you own. It is a myth that they are illegal - once you have
> bought the copy of the game you can do many different things to make it
> run better according to your specifications - this could include a
> cd-crack.
>
> Of course piracy is bad because it will stop new games (such as cm4)
> being made. I am a proud owner of all the cm games, but I also use a
> no-cd crack on my cm9900 game so that I don't have to keep fiddling
> about with my CD-Roms.
>
TigerBoy
>According to Marc Vaughan of SI, cd cracks (at least for CM) are
illegal,
>because any kind of program that modifies the original
sourcecode, as it has
>been written by the original programmers, is indeed illegal.
Does that mean that pre-game editors are illegal as well? They
modify cm files as well.
TB.
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1. I very much doubt that an cd crack changes the original source code as
that's the collection of files we use to make the release executable file,
these 'source code files' are never distributed publicly for obvious reasons.
2. Editors of all sorts are positively encouraged by SI because we believe that
they help keep the game up to date and increase peoples enjoyment of it.
My personal views on NoCD cracks is that I don't approve of them because:
1. They can be used to pirate the game.
2. When people make them by altering the 'exe' file and this can cause crashes
and other problems with in the game.
I'm sorry for the 'heavy' nature of this post, but I thought I'd reply before
any more spurious quotes from 'me' appeared.
Marc Vaughan
(Sports Interactive Ltd)
Chewie
you may recall saying this...
Article: <20000512132218...@ng-fo1.aol.com>
Date: 12 May 2000 17:22:18 GMT
|-> Hmmmm I love being quoted out of context.
|->
|-> 1. I very much doubt that an cd crack changes the original source code as
|-> that's the collection of files we use to make the release executable file,
|-> these 'source code files' are never distributed publicly for obvious reasons.
|-> 2. Editors of all sorts are positively encouraged by SI because we believe that
|-> they help keep the game up to date and increase peoples enjoyment of it.
|->
|-> My personal views on NoCD cracks is that I don't approve of them because:
|->
|-> 1. They can be used to pirate the game.
|-> 2. When people make them by altering the 'exe' file and this can cause crashes
|-> and other problems with in the game.
|->
|-> I'm sorry for the 'heavy' nature of this post, but I thought I'd reply before
|-> any more spurious quotes from 'me' appeared.
|->
Don't most EULAs forbid "reverse engineering" of the files on the disc?
Must look harder at 'em :)
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Marc Vaughan <mar...@aol.com> skrev i en
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> Hmmmm I love being quoted out of context.
>
> 1. I very much doubt that an cd crack changes the original source code as
> that's the collection of files we use to make the release executable file,
> these 'source code files' are never distributed publicly for obvious
reasons.
> 2. Editors of all sorts are positively encouraged by SI because we believe
that
> they help keep the game up to date and increase peoples enjoyment of it.
>
> My personal views on NoCD cracks is that I don't approve of them because:
>
> 1. They can be used to pirate the game.
> 2. When people make them by altering the 'exe' file and this can cause
crashes
> and other problems with in the game.
>
> I'm sorry for the 'heavy' nature of this post, but I thought I'd reply
before
> any more spurious quotes from 'me' appeared.
>
Baggers
Marc Vaughan <mar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hmmmm I love being quoted out of context.
>
>
> My personal views ... cracks is that I ... approve of them :
fluff
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|
| Marc Vaughan <mar...@aol.com> wrote in message
| news:20000512132218...@ng-fo1.aol.com...
| > Hmmmm I love being quoted out of context.
| >
| > 1. I ...crack ... cod... as that's the ... source
mmmm.....fish
| > My personal views ... cracks is that I ... approve of them :
| >
| > Marc Vaughan
| > (Sports Interactive Ltd)
Marc I am dissapointed in you.
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Marc Vaughan
<<
Don't most EULAs forbid "reverse engineering" of the files on the disc?
Must look harder at 'em :)
>>
Yeah (although to be honest I'm not sure what ours say's - Eidos draw it up),
but I was trying to give my personal views on cracks as opposed to a legal
stand-point.
Marc
Gami
Is your copy cracked i wonder?
Gami
Baggers
Kim Alsgaard <nmt...@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote in message
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> According to Marc Vaughan of SI, cd cracks (at least for CM) are illegal,
> because any kind of program that modifies the original sourcecode, as it
has
> Marc Vaughan said to me,
illegal, including patches created by the editors and even CM itself (the
hiscores are often changed midgame)
Duncan Watt
great game without giving due defferance (in terms of hard cash) to the
guys at SI.
All I was trying to say was that as a fundamental thing cd-cracks aren't
illegal for personal use. It makes no differance whether they alter the
orignal source code or not - if you have a valid reason for using one
then it does not mater.
That's that as far as I'm concerned - its a fairly irrelevent
discussion as it is not as if these 'illegal' cracks are hard to find
anyway. Let's get back to what's important - playing the game...
Oh yeah, and if what you mean by EULA is the licence with which Eidos
purports to allow you to use the game, then they do not hold legal water
- there have already been cases in the USA where they have been held not
be valid and the uk has much stricter law with regard to contract
formation.
Fenris Wolf
sitting in my office when mar...@aol.com (Marc Vaughan) knocked on
the door. I motioned for them to come in. They stepped forth and
handed me a note, on it was written :
>Hmmmm I love being quoted out of context.
>
>1. I very much doubt that an cd crack changes the original source code as
>that's the collection of files we use to make the release executable file,
>these 'source code files' are never distributed publicly for obvious reasons.
That's what I thought. I guess "source code" is a misleading term to
those not familiar with it. I never really knew what it was until
someone was telling me about ID Software releasing the source code for
Doom (not that anyone did anything interesting with it).
Are you guys going to release the code for any of the earlier games
some time?
>2. Editors of all sorts are positively encouraged by SI because we believe that
>they help keep the game up to date and increase peoples enjoyment of it.
Not to mention giving you guys some breathing space between games. :)
>My personal views on NoCD cracks is that I don't approve of them because:
>
>1. They can be used to pirate the game.
>2. When people make them by altering the 'exe' file and this can cause crashes
>and other problems with in the game.
Good point. I reckon games companies should have some kind of
procedure where you can send in damaged CD's and get them replaced.
That way there'd be no need for home back up's and no legitimate need
for no CD cracks (and Laziness is no escuse, even I manage to change
Game CD's when I need to).
>I'm sorry for the 'heavy' nature of this post, but I thought I'd reply before
>any more spurious quotes from 'me' appeared.
Glad you did, I could see a huge debate devoping there blamed entirely
on you for saying something you didn't.
Funny though, :)
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>
> Oh yeah, and if what you mean by EULA is the licence with which Eidos
> purports to allow you to use the game, then they do not hold legal water
> - there have already been cases in the USA where they have been held not
> be valid and the uk has much stricter law with regard to contract
> formation.
>
the documentation is only to be found on the CD correct?
MrT
<D.P....@durham.ac.uk> headbutted their keyboard, producing the
following drivel, found in <391982E3...@durham.ac.uk>:
>Cd- cracks are not illegal if you use them for personal use on a game
>which you own. It is a myth that they are illegal - once you have
>bought the copy of the game you can do many different things to make it
>run better according to your specifications - this could include a
>cd-crack.
>
<snip>
From the Terms and Conditions on the cm9900 cd:-
3. The following restrictions shall apply to your licence:
- you will not reverse-engineer, decompile, disassemble, translate,
adapt, modify or otherwise alter the product in whole or in part nor
attempt to do any of the above under any circumstances unless and to
the extent permitted to do so by applicable law
Well, I don't know of any law that allows you to use a cd-crack, and
by using one you're breaking the software licence, voiding the
warranty (so if anything should go wrong....)
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Marc Vaughan
Good point. I reckon games companies should have some kind of
procedure where you can send in damaged CD's and get them replaced.
That way there'd be no need for home back up's and no legitimate need
for no CD cracks (and Laziness is no escuse, even I manage to change
Game CD's when I need to).
>>
with scratched CD's or (2) Can't download a patch (in which case they can be
sent it on CD).
Marc
Duncan Watt
and/or register the game online, but, if you do neither of these things
the 'licensing' agreement is invalid. There is even a case to be made
for it to be invalid even if you do return the registration form or
register online.
Fenris Wolf
sitting in my office when mar...@aol.com (Marc Vaughan) knocked on
the door. I motioned for them to come in. They stepped forth and
handed me a note, on it was written :
><<
Aha, something then to quote next time someone turns up asking for a
no cd crack then.
Baggers
Fenris Wolf <ark...@fenrisweb.co.uk> wrote in message
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>mar...@aol.com (Marc Vaughan) said :
> >We've setup just this type of thing with Eidos for people who (1) Have
problems
> >with scratched CD's or (2) Can't download a patch (in which case they can
be
> >sent it on CD).
>
> Aha, something then to quote next time someone turns up asking for a
> no cd crack then.
And how long did you have to wait for that. All of 10 seconds
MrT
<ga...@stormblade.ezesurf.co.uk> headbutted their keyboard, producing
the following drivel, found in <8fi1e2$k3q$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>:
>Marc Vaughan <mar...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20000512183331...@ng-bd1.aol.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> <<
>> Don't most EULAs forbid "reverse engineering" of the files on the disc?
>> Must look harder at 'em :)
>> >>
>> Yeah (although to be honest I'm not sure what ours say's - Eidos draw it
>up),
>> but I was trying to give my personal views on cracks as opposed to a legal
>> stand-point.
>>
>> Marc
>
>
>
>Is your copy cracked i wonder?
>
>Gami
You think from the non-reply we should take that as a yes?
Baggers
MrT <toma...@web-empire.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On the day of Fri, 12 May 2000 23:43:39 +0100, "Gami"
> <ga...@stormblade.ezesurf.co.uk> headbutted their keyboard, producing
> the following drivel, found in <8fi1e2$k3q$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>:
> >Marc Vaughan <mar...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20000512183331...@ng-bd1.aol.com...
> >> Hi,
> >
> >Gami
>
> You think from the non-reply we should take that as a yes?
>
It isn't cracked. He made his own version. I think MV has CM3.75. There are
no bugs in it and everything works perfectly. He tests the patches to make
sure there are no problems and then adds a few bugs to keep himself
employed.
MrT
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following drivel, found in <8fmo8b$258$1...@news.ox.ac.uk>:
Damn, there goes my plan for being a computer programmer out in the
open... still, if everyone (Bill Gates mainly) does it....
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