Multi vs. dual F/T
Claysa Kawanami
neutral good fighter with 18/00 Str, 18 Dex, 18 Con, 10 Int, 10 Wis and 11
Cha. He is at lvl 6, with "***" in Bow and "***" in Large Sword and a
total of 76 hp. Which of the ideas below is better:
1. Dual him to thief (a backstabbing with a 18/00 str is painful).OR
2. start a new game with a non-human fighter/thief with the same stats and
the same weapon proficiencies (I heard multi class fighters cannot achieve
mastery - is this true? )
Of course I'll save the game in a new slot (if I don't like the results
I'll continue as straight fighter)
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Colin E
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You'll not be able to take a multi-class character above ** in any
weapons proficiency without an editor.
A real master of backstabbing would be ** in bow and **** in
swords - and for my money, in short swords so I could use the
weapon I took off Slythe.
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Michael Jones
your choice?
Gimble
he's playing (BG, ToSC, or IWD). It makes a difference as to when you want
to dual-class, and therefore how many "*" you can acquire prior to changing
class (and still regain your fighting abilities).
For any "reasonable" level limit ( including IWD ), the dual-class F/T is
the superior backstabber, even if you only got *** in his weapon of choice.
Ultimately, I would think a multi F/T would be a better "master of
backstabbing", but the number of levels you would have to acquire would be
so high as to make this a moot point. I don't doubt that a multi-class
15/18 F/T would have enough of a lower THAC0 than a 9/20+ Dual Class F/T to
give him an advantage (plus the fact he would have ** in four different
weapon categories), but at approximately 3.5 million experience points, it's
a little too far out there to matter.
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Claysa Kawanami
I dualed him to see what would happen. Since I'm playing BG I had to do it
at level 6 due to the experience limit. I couldn't have made a better
choice, because he has lots of hit points and his 18/00 strenght allows
him to do massive damage. He was an excellent fighter but he's even better
as thief. Even with a "***" in large sword I can consider him a master of
backstabbing. Last night I saw him doing a damage of 90 hit points in an
Iron Throne guard with a single blow. And he's still a thief - imagine
when he will be able to use both abilities!
Phil
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You'd go with short swords ahead of using Greywolf's +2 long sword? Me, I
prefer wholesale distribution of damage, so Varscona gets the job, even if
it is a trifle unrealistic to be using a four foot blade as part of a hidden
surprise attack. One other little point I'd make is that while 18/00
strength is great if you get it, with potions of strength, one's backstabs
become ultra powerful.
Finally, my little question. I remember that it's level 9 when thieves
graduate to 4x backstabs. What level do they need for 5x backstabs
(obviously it's unattainable in BG without removing the cap, but I'm
curious)?
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Colin E
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> Sure, if you can reach it. The original poster didn't mention
which game
> he's playing (BG, ToSC, or IWD). It makes a difference as to
when you want
> to dual-class, and therefore how many "*" you can acquire prior
to changing
> class (and still regain your fighting abilities).
>
If you mean the **/**** bow/sword skill split, you can always
reach it with a fighter.
You *must* split your initial 4*'s at character creation. The two
others will come at levels 3 and 6. As long as you don't dual
before level 6 your fighter-thief can always carry the skills
forward - irrespective of the game - though I admit to assuming
BG/TotSC here.
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Colin E
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> For purpose of bstabbing would it be better to have 5 stars in
the sword of
> your choice?
>
True - but you can't reach the level 9 fighter necessary in either
BG or TotSC - without removing the level cap.
I was suggesting a **/**** split as an alternative to ***/***.
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WiCkdULL
or do you get the 100 steath then have a low multiplier but work up as a badass
fighter with back stab?
Serafin Nunez
"Be born then, gasp wind, screech at the surgeon's slap, seek manhood, taste a
little of godhood, feel pain, give birth, stuggle a little while, succumb.
(Dying, leave quietly by the rear exit, please.)"-A Canticle for Leibowitz
mykl...@my-deja.com
Dual F/T *can* use:
Metal Armour
Large Swords
Grate Swords
Longbow
Mace
Hammer
etc etc
Dual F/T gets abit more HP's.
In article <soeqsd...@corp.supernews.com>,
Claysa Kawanami <cla...@netpar.com.br> wrote:
> I really want to be a master of backstabbing . I'm playing with a
human
> neutral good fighter with 18/00 Str, 18 Dex, 18 Con, 10 Int, 10 Wis
and 11
> Cha. He is at lvl 6, with "***" in Bow and "***" in Large Sword and a
> total of 76 hp. Which of the ideas below is better:
> 1. Dual him to thief (a backstabbing with a 18/00 str is painful).OR
> 2. start a new game with a non-human fighter/thief with the same
stats and
> the same weapon proficiencies (I heard multi class fighters cannot
achieve
> mastery - is this true? )
> Of course I'll save the game in a new slot (if I don't like the
results
> I'll continue as straight fighter)
>
> --
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Colin E
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>
> You'd go with short swords ahead of using Greywolf's +2 long
sword? Me, I
> prefer wholesale distribution of damage, so Varscona gets the
job, even if
> it is a trifle unrealistic to be using a four foot blade as part
of a hidden
> surprise attack. One other little point I'd make is that while
18/00
> strength is great if you get it, with potions of strength, one's
backstabs
> become ultra powerful.
Partly, it's a role play thing - Longswords just don't seem
right for the backstab. For me it should really be daggers only
but I'll stretch a point as far as shortwsords - especially one
designed specifically for backstabbing. The piercing damage as
opposed to slashing damage is more useful against armoured
figures.
There really isn't much to choose between Varscona(+2) and the
Slythe's Shord Sword of Backstabbing (+3) anyway.
Varscona - 1d8+2 (+1 cold) Thac0 +2 Speed 3
S.S. of B. - 1d6+3 Thac0 +3 Speed 3
I'll go with the greater opportunity to hit for the backstab
rather than the additional [ave.] point of damage.
Now the odd scimitar might cause me to pause for thought but I
don't really see them as the weapons of a thief.
> Finally, my little question. I remember that it's level 9 when
thieves
> graduate to 4x backstabs. What level do they need for 5x
backstabs
> (obviously it's unattainable in BG without removing the cap, but
I'm
> curious)?
> --
> Phil
>
I can't say with certainty - I think level 12 - but I'll take a
prompt on that one - anybody?
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Claysa Kawanami
The problem is, my character has been a fighter for a long time. It's just
my opinion, but long swords are the best weapons for a fighter. Plus, the
long sword +2 can be picked very early in the game while the short sword
of backstabbing can be obtained only in chapter 7. Although the latter is
undoubtedly more suitable for backstabbing, my character's high strenght
and dexterity can solve the problem. I saw him doing an impressive 90 dmg
with a single blow after I dualed him. No reason to regret.
Since I'm neutral good I don't agree killing Drizzt, but think about it if
you are evil.
Best wishes,
Claysa
>
> > Finally, my little question. I remember that it's level 9 when
> thieves
> > graduate to 4x backstabs. What level do they need for 5x
> backstabs
> > (obviously it's unattainable in BG without removing the cap, but
> I'm
> > curious)?
> > --
> > Phil
> >
>
> I can't say with certainty - I think level 12 - but I'll take a
> prompt on that one - anybody?
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> Colin E
>
>
WiCkdULL
from yer shoulders... darn..
Phil
> Phil <ph...@your.inhibitions.gledson.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > You'd go with short swords ahead of using Greywolf's +2 long
> sword?
> right for the backstab. For me it should really be daggers only
> but I'll stretch a point as far as shortwsords - especially one
> designed specifically for backstabbing. The piercing damage as
> opposed to slashing damage is more useful against armoured
> figures.
>
> There really isn't much to choose between Varscona(+2) and the
> Slythe's Shord Sword of Backstabbing (+3) anyway.
> Varscona - 1d8+2 (+1 cold) Thac0 +2 Speed 3
> S.S. of B. - 1d6+3 Thac0 +3 Speed 3
> I'll go with the greater opportunity to hit for the backstab
> rather than the additional [ave.] point of damage.
>
> Now the odd scimitar might cause me to pause for thought but I
> don't really see them as the weapons of a thief.
I don't know if a thief can use scimitars for backstabs anyway. Still, I
always fancy my chances of hitting, so I'll go with maximum infliction of
pain, even if I do agree that it feels very wrong to have a sneak thief
drawing a five foot long blade and launching himself from the shadows.