BG2: Skinner murder riddle (clues go against themselves)
Daniel
makes sense, too much of it goes against itself or also has multiple
meanings. I've tried to figure out some of it but get nowhere. At this
point all I can say for sure is that the other guy's name is spelled using
letters A-Z & maybe a few of them are the same (though not in the same
place).
From (or TO...either way you should come up with a name...and either way it
doesn't matter as many of the clues don't make sense & work against
themselves) VELLIN DAHN
Our names are the same in their scale and their cut. (meaning that they both
are 6 letter first names & 4 letter last names?) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
The last of his begins just as the first of mine. (my first initial is his
last initial?...or are you saying his name ends in "VEL" or "V" or
something?)
The second of my first is the second of his first, though regressed a full
four steps. (as in move it back 4 spaces to make it 2nd of his last or as in
the letter E is now letter A?)
The third of my first is four more than the last of his first. (the last of
his first name is H?)
The entire last of my first is the last of his first, (both first names end
in LIN?...you just said that his first name ends in H.) except the first one
of these is the first of my last. (NO CLUE HERE!!!)
The first of his last is mine plus one. (his last name starts with an
E?...earlier (clue#2) you said that his last initial is the same as my
first, V, now you're saying it is E?...make up your mind!)
The next of my last is the last of his first plus one. (his first name ends
in B?...earlier you said they both end in the same letters...and yours
doesn't end in B...MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!!)
The last of my last are third and second comming in first for him. (the 2nd
& 3rd letters in his first name are NH?)
Kish
> I'm seeking advice on this clue (VERY POORLY WRITTEN ONE).
The answer is...
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Darcin Cole.
Craig Birch
to him and keep trying until you get it right.. :)
"Kish" <Kis...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Daniel
There isn't even a V or a B or H in there as the clues point to.
Wouldn't you agree that if you didn't try it like the other poster said of
just keep reloading then you'd have never found out? Why not give something
easier that makes more sense like "I'm thinking of a word...that word does
exsit...it has letters in it...what word am I thinking of?" (at least this
would be possible to guess & doesn't give clues that go against one another)
Kish
Quite.
Henry Lockwood
it
> doesn't matter as many of the clues don't make sense & work against
> themselves) VELLIN DAHN
> Our names are the same in their scale and their cut. (meaning that they
both
> are 6 letter first names & 4 letter last names?) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Correct.
> The last of his begins just as the first of mine. (my first initial is his
> last initial?...or are you saying his name ends in "VEL" or "V" or
> something?)
"Me" refers to the name you have to deduce; "him" to the name Vellin Dahn.
This clue then says that the name you're looking for begins D, Da, or Dah.
> The second of my first is the second of his first, though regressed a full
> four steps. (as in move it back 4 spaces to make it 2nd of his last or as
in
> the letter E is now letter A?)
Letter E is now A. We can deduce that the name we want starts "Da" at
least.
> The third of my first is four more than the last of his first. (the last
of
> his first name is H?)
You're getting "me" and "him" tangled here. It's telling you that the third
letter of the name you're looking for is 4 later in the alphabet than N, so
is R.
> The entire last of my first is the last of his first, (both first names
end
> in LIN?...you just said that his first name ends in H.) except the first
one
> of these is the first of my last. (NO CLUE HERE!!!)
This is referring to the end of the first name. The word "entire" suggests
that more than one letter is being considered. We now know Dar_in _ _ _ _
> The first of his last is mine plus one. (his last name starts with an
> E?...earlier (clue#2) you said that his last initial is the same as my
> first, V, now you're saying it is E?...make up your mind!)
Again, you're getting your "me" and "him" wires crossed. This means that
the last name you're looking for begins with C.
> The next of my last is the last of his first plus one. (his first name
ends
> in B?...earlier you said they both end in the same letters...and yours
> doesn't end in B...MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!!)
no, the second letter in the name you want is O.
> The last of my last are third and second comming in first for him. (the
2nd
> & 3rd letters in his first name are NH?)
no, the last two letters in the name you want are LE.
We've now got "Dar_in Cole"
I don't think there is a clue there that tells you the 4th letter of the
first name, but I hope this explanation helps.
Kish
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> I don't think there is a clue there that tells you the 4th letter of the
> first name,
...which, since "Darlin Cole" is one of the choices, is enough in and of
itself to render all this work sorting out a semi-coherent puzzle...of
decidedly limited use. You still have a coinflip's chance of getting it
wrong.
Henry Lockwood
I _knew_ there was a reason I'd done a save just beforehand, first time
round.
Daniel
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> > From (or TO...either way you should come up with a name...and either way
> it
> > doesn't matter as many of the clues don't make sense & work against
> > themselves) VELLIN DAHN
> > Our names are the same in their scale and their cut. (meaning that they
> both
> > are 6 letter first names & 4 letter last names?) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>
> Correct.
>
> > The last of his begins just as the first of mine. (my first initial is
his
> > last initial?...or are you saying his name ends in "VEL" or "V" or
> > something?)
>
> "Me" refers to the name you have to deduce; "him" to the name Vellin Dahn.
> This clue then says that the name you're looking for begins D, Da, or Dah.
>
from this guy to someone else & he'd just not sent it off yet. They sounded
as if the letter was this psycho guy was saying he is the servant & will
deliver the human skin as the final piece when the timing is right.
I don't have time to look at it now (got to leave) but will be home in
another 10 hrs or so & will have a chance to read over this again...I'll see
how the code works out at that time.
You're saying that we don't know the starting name, only the ending one?
This person sending the letter is telling you how to find their name based
on what yours is or telling you what your code name is based on what their
name already is?
Troll
ambiguous and illogical, or stolen from a book of "math teasers". It
would've been worth it for them to hire someone who used to work at
LucasArts or Sierra (in the adventure game days) just to do the riddles.
Rassadihn
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> I'm seeking advice on this clue (VERY POORLY WRITTEN ONE). Not all of it
> makes sense, too much of it goes against itself or also has multiple
> meanings. I've tried to figure out some of it but get nowhere. At this
> point all I can say for sure is that the other guy's name is spelled using
> letters A-Z & maybe a few of them are the same (though not in the same
> place).
>
I actually figured it out before seeing the list of answers. Henry Lockwood
has done a good job already, but he was not correct when he expressed the
suspicion that there was no hint for the `c' in Darcin. Below is how I
deduced it (for some reason, I've kept it around -- I couldn't possibly do
it all in my head):
S
P
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"He" = immediate master = "Vellin Dahn"
Our names are the same in their scale and their cut.
?????? ????
The last of his begins just as the first of mine.
D????? ????
The second of my first is the second of his first, though regressed a full
four steps.
Da???? ????
The third of my first is four more than the last of his first.
Dar??? ????
The entire last of my first is the last of his first, except the first one
of these is the first of my last.
Dar?in ????
The first of his last is mine plus one.
Darcin C??? [ remember: "the first one of these is the first of my last",
and now we know his last ]
The next of my last is the last of his first plus one.
Darcin Co??
The last of my last are third and second, coming in first for him.
Darcin Cole
I agree that this riddle is poorly done; I also consider them a bad idea for
CRPGs in general. Where's the roleplaying? My character should know the
right answer based on their INT, or not at all. I, as a *player*, shouldn't
have to be required to figure them out. Compare the skeleton's riddle in
Planescape: Torment.
R.
Henry Lockwood
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> CRPGs in general. Where's the roleplaying? My character should know the
> right answer based on their INT, or not at all. I, as a *player*,
shouldn't
> have to be required to figure them out. Compare the skeleton's riddle in
> Planescape: Torment.
I had a situation in a P&P game where I could quite happily sit down and
solve the riddle, but my character, with an INT of 10, wouldn't stand a
chance. It was a shame, I quite enjoy such things :-)
sqweek
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> We've now got "Dar_in Cole"
>
> I don't think there is a clue there that tells you the 4th letter of the
> first name, but I hope this explanation helps.
There is, you just skipped it in your explanation...
> > The entire last of my first is the last of his first, (both first names
> > end in LIN?...you just said that his first name ends in H.) except the
> > first one of these is the first of my last. (NO CLUE HERE!!!)
>
> This is referring to the end of the first name. The word "entire" suggests
> that more than one letter is being considered. We now know Dar_in _ _ _ _
Note "except the first one of these is the first of my last". So it's
telling you there is a C in the first name aswell :)
Daniel
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THAT is the biggest problem of the whole riddle. They don't give any
indication as to who HE and MY are referring to.
"Poorly done" is a very strong compliment to how this one was written. As I
siad earlier, a more sensable riddle would be "Tell me the word that I am
thinking of. This word does exist. It has letters in it." Looking at the
clues yes I can see how to come up with the answer, but how do you know
where to start (who is HE and who is ME)? And they use refferences of
"regressed a full 4 steps" as well as "4 more than". The "regressed a full
4 steps" makes you consider the possibility that rather than "4 less than"
that they're meaning "4 spaces further back in the name".
sqweek
I'll have to disagree there, I found that the easiest part of the
riddle.
"You who carry out the work..." (the tanner)
"Seek me out in the hills of Umar..." (MY refers to some dude in Umar)
"my secret name of your immediate master" (this is clearly who HE refers
to, and was the hardest part IMO because I always forgot to check the
name of the dude I was fighting ;) )
Seriously, I don't see the problem - it just requires you pay attention.
> "Poorly done" is a very strong compliment to how this one was written. As I
> siad earlier, a more sensable riddle would be "Tell me the word that I am
> thinking of. This word does exist. It has letters in it." Looking at the
> clues yes I can see how to come up with the answer, but how do you know
> where to start (who is HE and who is ME)? And they use refferences of
> "regressed a full 4 steps" as well as "4 more than". The "regressed a full
> 4 steps" makes you consider the possibility that rather than "4 less than"
> that they're meaning "4 spaces further back in the name".
Oh dear god they make you consider two possibilities!!!
Daniel
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The other people carry out the work...the tanner is just gathering one of
the components.
> "Seek me out in the hills of Umar..." (MY refers to some dude in Umar)
He'll be traveling to the Umar hills soon (probably to escape when the
authorities discover who is behind the killings).
> "my secret name of your immediate master" (this is clearly who HE refers
> to, and was the hardest part IMO because I always forgot to check the
> name of the dude I was fighting ;) )
"Vellin Dahn" is his secret name...we're trying to find the name of the
other guy (Vellin isn't saying who the other guy's name is just in case he
gets caught he doesn't want to ruin the whole operation).
> Seriously, I don't see the problem - it just requires you pay attention.
>
I DID pay attention...see above explinations of why one could think Vellin
is who the letter is from (he was going to send it off with one of the other
guys...he's giving this riddle so the other guy will know what secret name
to give himself).
> > "Poorly done" is a very strong compliment to how this one was written.
As I
> > siad earlier, a more sensable riddle would be "Tell me the word that I
am
> > thinking of. This word does exist. It has letters in it." Looking at
the
> > clues yes I can see how to come up with the answer, but how do you know
> > where to start (who is HE and who is ME)? And they use refferences of
> > "regressed a full 4 steps" as well as "4 more than". The "regressed a
full
> > 4 steps" makes you consider the possibility that rather than "4 less
than"
> > that they're meaning "4 spaces further back in the name".
>
> Oh dear god they make you consider two possibilities!!!
2 possibilities which can cause completely different results, even more so
if you're using the wrong name (rather than converting Vellin Dahn to
something else, trying to convert the other name to Vellin Dahn).
sqweek
> "sqweek" <sqwee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "Daniel" <daniel_h_wATyyahooDOTccom> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > S
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> > > > P
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> > > > O
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> > > > I
> > > >
> > > > L
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> > > > E
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> > > > R
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> > > > S
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> > > > "He" = immediate master = "Vellin Dahn"
> > >
> > > THAT is the biggest problem of the whole riddle. They don't give any
> > > indication as to who HE and MY are referring to.
> >
> > I'll have to disagree there, I found that the easiest part of the
> > riddle.
> > "You who carry out the work..." (the tanner)
>
> The other people carry out the work...the tanner is just gathering one of
> the components.
"No, I won't be doing that. My work must go on. My craft is all
important. There is nothing left to work on except the ultimate
materials. You will not stop what is unstoppable!"
"You should have run away, little fool! You could not understand! My
work must go on!"
"I might as well try and explain the sun to the moon. You can't
understand. My work must go on. There is only one place left for my
craft to go, and you cannot stand in the way."
"No, I cannot allow that! You cannot understand! My work, my craft has
only one place left to go, and you must not stop it!"
All said by the tanner (it looks like you'll only see one of them per
game though, depending on how you reveal his plans)
Also, Vellin Dahn says:
"No, you will have no victory here! Rejiek must work on!"
> > "Seek me out in the hills of Umar..." (MY refers to some dude in Umar)
>
> He'll be traveling to the Umar hills soon (probably to escape when the
> authorities discover who is behind the killings).
Fair point. But once you see that Rejiek is doing the work (which I hope
is evident from above), the first sentence seems to rule him out - "You
who carry out the work, I am your humble servant"
This also implies that the letter is being sent to the tanner, not from.
> > "my secret name of your immediate master" (this is clearly who HE refers
> > to, and was the hardest part IMO because I always forgot to check the
> > name of the dude I was fighting ;) )
>
> "Vellin Dahn" is his secret name...we're trying to find the name of the
> other guy (Vellin isn't saying who the other guy's name is just in case he
> gets caught he doesn't want to ruin the whole operation).
Woah, I badly mangled that quote last post... it should be:
"my secret name, constructed from the name of your immediate master"
The secret name is what you have to work out, Rejiek's immediate master
is Vellin Dahn. Vellin Dahn is the name I always found hard to find, I
would be like "your immediate master"... oh, that guy in the basement I
just killed? Dammit, what was his name? :)
> > Seriously, I don't see the problem - it just requires you pay attention.
> >
> I DID pay attention...see above explinations of why one could think Vellin
> is who the letter is from (he was going to send it off with one of the other
> guys...he's giving this riddle so the other guy will know what secret name
> to give himself).
I still think it's pretty clear cut, but even if it wasn't I don't see
the issue... Why should the message be totally understandable to someone
outside the correspondance (ie you)?
> > > "Poorly done" is a very strong compliment to how this one was written.
> > > As I siad earlier, a more sensable riddle would be "Tell me the word
> > > that I am thinking of. This word does exist. It has letters in it."
> > > Looking at the clues yes I can see how to come up with the answer, but
> > > how do you know where to start (who is HE and who is ME)? And they
> > > use refferences of "regressed a full 4 steps" as well as "4 more
> > > than". The "regressed a full 4 steps" makes you consider the
> > > possibility that rather than "4 less than" that they're meaning
> > > "4 spaces further back in the name".
> >
> > Oh dear god they make you consider two possibilities!!!
>
> 2 possibilities which can cause completely different results,
Considering the clue is:
"The second of my first is the second of his first, though regressed a
full four steps."
I don't think the '4 spaces further back in the name' possibility
deserves much consideration.
> even more so
> if you're using the wrong name (rather than converting Vellin Dahn to
> something else, trying to convert the other name to Vellin Dahn).
Yes, but that's your fault for coming to a wrong conclusion - you can't
blame the riddle for that.